On November 03 2011 00:44 Egyptian_Head wrote: I have a question. Why not just be yourself? Most people are quiet interesting once you get to know them, that will include most of you. Surely you should learn how to show what makes you interesting and different not just put on an act. The act might be easier but what good is it? You are going to have to stop acting at some point. And yeah being nice is not a personality, that is pretty much suppressing anything that could be called a personality. Just say whatever you want to say and if you click with the girl awesome, if you don't it wasn't going to go anywhere past sex anyway and there are only so many ways to have sex before it gets old.
From what I can see the main benefit of this kind of thing is it encourages you to try, which is good. Getting the confidence to approach people is great, if you are having fun doing this that is amazing for you. But if you are just going to be "cocky and funny" (or whatever it is meant to be) that may be great if you are just looking for a lay, but that cannot be the best way to go if you want anything more than just in the now.
Cuz being your old self aint gonna cut it. You think this guy would get girls if he didn't change himself? If you were a hot girl, would you date him?
then you see this guy
although hes got some things to fix, hes pretty damn good even though hes fucking around.
Whats wrong with changing yourself? Going to college is changing the way you think. Working out is changing the way you look. Whats your point?
On November 03 2011 00:44 Egyptian_Head wrote: I have a question. Why not just be yourself? Most people are quiet interesting once you get to know them, that will include most of you. Surely you should learn how to show what makes you interesting and different not just put on an act. The act might be easier but what good is it? You are going to have to stop acting at some point. And yeah being nice is not a personality, that is pretty much suppressing anything that could be called a personality. Just say whatever you want to say and if you click with the girl awesome, if you don't it wasn't going to go anywhere past sex anyway and there are only so many ways to have sex before it gets old.
From what I can see the main benefit of this kind of thing is it encourages you to try, which is good. Getting the confidence to approach people is great, if you are having fun doing this that is amazing for you. But if you are just going to be "cocky and funny" (or whatever it is meant to be) that may be great if you are just looking for a lay, but that cannot be the best way to go if you want anything more than just in the now.
Because for most people, "just being yourself" is not attractive to women. There are traits that women find attractive, and other traits that women find unattractive. Pick up is a way of displaying the former and minimizing displays of the latter.
Its the male equivalent of a girl putting on make up, a push up bra, short skirt and smiling at men.
Different things attract different woman. Sure there are things like basic hygiene which will always help but beyond that there is not one way to be which works best. If it was like that barely anyone would hook up. You are making a mistake at looking at this as if it was a system. Yeah some woman do like the kind of things these systems promote. But just as many don't like it. These systems look tailor made to try pick up girls in clubs and pubs, pro tip there is an entire world of woman outside of the clubs and pubs. And you know what, most of them are just as insecure as you are (not you as in you but rather insecure people in general).
I mean the kind of stuff I like is not exactly what people consider cool or attractive to woman. I love musicals, classic literature and all things nerdy. People generally find out this is the kind of stuff I like in our first meeting. I don't try to be anyone else. Sure some girls don't like it, others do, and that is my point, you cannot lump the entire female gender into one box and say they like this.
On November 03 2011 00:44 Egyptian_Head wrote: I have a question. Why not just be yourself? Most people are quiet interesting once you get to know them, that will include most of you. Surely you should learn how to show what makes you interesting and different not just put on an act. The act might be easier but what good is it? You are going to have to stop acting at some point. And yeah being nice is not a personality, that is pretty much suppressing anything that could be called a personality. Just say whatever you want to say and if you click with the girl awesome, if you don't it wasn't going to go anywhere past sex anyway and there are only so many ways to have sex before it gets old.
From what I can see the main benefit of this kind of thing is it encourages you to try, which is good. Getting the confidence to approach people is great, if you are having fun doing this that is amazing for you. But if you are just going to be "cocky and funny" (or whatever it is meant to be) that may be great if you are just looking for a lay, but that cannot be the best way to go if you want anything more than just in the now.
Cuz being your old self aint gonna cut it. You think this guy would get girls if he didn't change himself? If you were a hot girl, would you date him?
although hes got some things to fix, hes pretty damn good even though hes fucking around.
Whats wrong with changing yourself? Going to college is changing the way you think. Working out is changing the way you look. Whats your point?
Nothing wrong with changing yourself, I never said there was. There is something wrong with acting though. As in you have to stop at some point. But if you are not acting and this is the real you I am happy for you.
On November 03 2011 00:57 BestZergOnEast wrote: How can you be anyone but yourself? PUA is more about what specific actions you do, not pretending to be someone else or memorizing a bunch of stupid pick up lines. You're still yourself when you're eye fucking 9's from across the bar. Who else are you? When you go over and whisper in a girls ear, are you being someone else? If you want a relationship with a woman it begins with having sex with her.
I feel really bad for you if you think a relationship starts by having sex. But that is neither here nor there.
To address what you are saying I would need to know how you go about it. I mean I know very little about this kind of thing. Let me assume you listen to that "cocky but funny" guy (if you don't just apply it to whatever), are you a cocky person? If the answer is no you are not being yourself. You can become a cocky person then you are no longer acting and that is 100% cool. I mean I am sad for you as being cocky is not a good thing but whatever, at least you are being true to yourself.
I find that most PUA's to be quite misdirected in life.
They seem to judge their success on life on how many chicks they can sleep be with. they seem to have changed how they act and speak for the sole purpose of putting another notch on their bedpost.
they video tape, record attempts, study what they did and did wrong all with the same shallow goal of sleeping with women.
Yes, maybe they are changing themselves, but your intentions could not be more misplaced and shallow, and IMO thats a change for the worse.
If you PUA's get enjoyment out of this, then thats awesome and good for you, but i think its a shame that they are meeting all these people and talking to them but these people will never see who they really are.
Although
i do think many people can learn a few things from PUA's about social interaction to limit the awkwardness some have and wish to get rid of, but i think there are better ways to do this then focusing on notching your bedpost.
On November 03 2011 00:44 Egyptian_Head wrote: I have a question. Why not just be yourself? Most people are quiet interesting once you get to know them, that will include most of you. Surely you should learn how to show what makes you interesting and different not just put on an act. The act might be easier but what good is it? You are going to have to stop acting at some point. And yeah being nice is not a personality, that is pretty much suppressing anything that could be called a personality. Just say whatever you want to say and if you click with the girl awesome, if you don't it wasn't going to go anywhere past sex anyway and there are only so many ways to have sex before it gets old.
From what I can see the main benefit of this kind of thing is it encourages you to try, which is good. Getting the confidence to approach people is great, if you are having fun doing this that is amazing for you. But if you are just going to be "cocky and funny" (or whatever it is meant to be) that may be great if you are just looking for a lay, but that cannot be the best way to go if you want anything more than just in the now.
Because for most people, "just being yourself" is not attractive to women. There are traits that women find attractive, and other traits that women find unattractive. Pick up is a way of displaying the former and minimizing displays of the latter.
Its the male equivalent of a girl putting on make up, a push up bra, short skirt and smiling at men.
Different things attract different woman. Sure there are things like basic hygiene which will always help but beyond that there is not one way to be which works best. If it was like that barely anyone would hook up. You are making a mistake at looking at this as if it was a system. Yeah some woman do like the kind of things these systems promote. But just as many don't like it. These systems look tailor made to try pick up girls in clubs and pubs, pro tip there is an entire world of woman outside of the clubs and pubs. And you know what, most of them are just as insecure as you are (not you as in you but rather insecure people in general).
I mean the kind of stuff I like is not exactly what people consider cool or attractive to woman. I love musicals, classic literature and all things nerdy. People generally find out this is the kind of stuff I like in our first meeting. I don't try to be anyone else. Sure some girls don't like it, others do, and that is my point, you cannot lump the entire female gender into one box and say they like this.
Sure, there are some girls with unusual tastes. But the truth is overwhelming majority of women have basically the same preferences: the physique of a michaelangelo statue, confidence, dominance, the ability to make them laugh. Even girls that like nerdy stuff, like those traits. Women aren't attracted to shyness, or awkwardness, or ugliness. Those men have other traits that make them attractive to women: money, power, confidence, comic ability etc and thus, those negative traits are glossed over, because one thing that sex does, is make it so we ignore the faults of our significant others.
On November 03 2011 00:44 Egyptian_Head wrote: I have a question. Why not just be yourself? Most people are quiet interesting once you get to know them, that will include most of you. Surely you should learn how to show what makes you interesting and different not just put on an act. The act might be easier but what good is it? You are going to have to stop acting at some point. And yeah being nice is not a personality, that is pretty much suppressing anything that could be called a personality. Just say whatever you want to say and if you click with the girl awesome, if you don't it wasn't going to go anywhere past sex anyway and there are only so many ways to have sex before it gets old.
From what I can see the main benefit of this kind of thing is it encourages you to try, which is good. Getting the confidence to approach people is great, if you are having fun doing this that is amazing for you. But if you are just going to be "cocky and funny" (or whatever it is meant to be) that may be great if you are just looking for a lay, but that cannot be the best way to go if you want anything more than just in the now.
Because for most people, "just being yourself" is not attractive to women. There are traits that women find attractive, and other traits that women find unattractive. Pick up is a way of displaying the former and minimizing displays of the latter.
Its the male equivalent of a girl putting on make up, a push up bra, short skirt and smiling at men.
Different things attract different woman. Sure there are things like basic hygiene which will always help but beyond that there is not one way to be which works best. If it was like that barely anyone would hook up. You are making a mistake at looking at this as if it was a system. Yeah some woman do like the kind of things these systems promote. But just as many don't like it. These systems look tailor made to try pick up girls in clubs and pubs, pro tip there is an entire world of woman outside of the clubs and pubs. And you know what, most of them are just as insecure as you are (not you as in you but rather insecure people in general).
I mean the kind of stuff I like is not exactly what people consider cool or attractive to woman. I love musicals, classic literature and all things nerdy. People generally find out this is the kind of stuff I like in our first meeting. I don't try to be anyone else. Sure some girls don't like it, others do, and that is my point, you cannot lump the entire female gender into one box and say they like this.
Sure, there are some girls with unusual tastes. But the truth is overwhelming majority of women have basically the same preferences: the physique of a michaelangelo statue, confidence, dominance, the ability to make them laugh. Even girls that like nerdy stuff, like those traits. Women aren't attracted to shyness, or awkwardness, or ugliness. Those men have other traits that make them attractive to women: money, power, confidence, comic ability etc and thus, those negative traits are glossed over, because one thing that sex does, is make it so we ignore the faults of our significant others.
These things you are talking about shyness, or awkwardness, or ugliness have nothing to do with what I am talking about. Those are a result of you lacking confidence which has nothing to do with who you are. These systems give you confidence. I have not problem with ones that are just dealing with this stuff. But the ones that tell you to act a certain way (be a jerk, or whatever) are complete rubbish.
Pickup isn't for everyone. Even the guys that willingly attempt it, 95% will fail and quit miserably. Best of luck in finding a girl who loves you the way you are. Love to hear about your stories it in 5 years.
Btw, the reason everyone is hooking up is because people are settling or hooking up with other people their own level. They aren't improving to hook up with 9's and 10's. They are just hooking 4's and 5's because they themselves are 4's and 5's. There aren't enough 10's in the world to go around for everyone. Sorry, its pure math. Beautiful women are bombarded with options.
On November 03 2011 00:44 Egyptian_Head wrote: I have a question. Why not just be yourself? Most people are quiet interesting once you get to know them, that will include most of you. Surely you should learn how to show what makes you interesting and different not just put on an act. The act might be easier but what good is it? You are going to have to stop acting at some point. And yeah being nice is not a personality, that is pretty much suppressing anything that could be called a personality. Just say whatever you want to say and if you click with the girl awesome, if you don't it wasn't going to go anywhere past sex anyway and there are only so many ways to have sex before it gets old.
From what I can see the main benefit of this kind of thing is it encourages you to try, which is good. Getting the confidence to approach people is great, if you are having fun doing this that is amazing for you. But if you are just going to be "cocky and funny" (or whatever it is meant to be) that may be great if you are just looking for a lay, but that cannot be the best way to go if you want anything more than just in the now.
Because for most people, "just being yourself" is not attractive to women. There are traits that women find attractive, and other traits that women find unattractive. Pick up is a way of displaying the former and minimizing displays of the latter.
Its the male equivalent of a girl putting on make up, a push up bra, short skirt and smiling at men.
Different things attract different woman. Sure there are things like basic hygiene which will always help but beyond that there is not one way to be which works best. If it was like that barely anyone would hook up. You are making a mistake at looking at this as if it was a system. Yeah some woman do like the kind of things these systems promote. But just as many don't like it. These systems look tailor made to try pick up girls in clubs and pubs, pro tip there is an entire world of woman outside of the clubs and pubs. And you know what, most of them are just as insecure as you are (not you as in you but rather insecure people in general).
I mean the kind of stuff I like is not exactly what people consider cool or attractive to woman. I love musicals, classic literature and all things nerdy. People generally find out this is the kind of stuff I like in our first meeting. I don't try to be anyone else. Sure some girls don't like it, others do, and that is my point, you cannot lump the entire female gender into one box and say they like this.
Sure, there are some girls with unusual tastes. But the truth is overwhelming majority of women have basically the same preferences: the physique of a michaelangelo statue, confidence, dominance, the ability to make them laugh. Even girls that like nerdy stuff, like those traits. Women aren't attracted to shyness, or awkwardness, or ugliness. Those men have other traits that make them attractive to women: money, power, confidence, comic ability etc and thus, those negative traits are glossed over, because one thing that sex does, is make it so we ignore the faults of our significant others.
These things you are talking about shyness, or awkwardness, or ugliness have nothing to do with what I am talking about. Those are a result of you lacking confidence which has nothing to do with who you are. These systems give you confidence. I have not problem with ones that are just dealing with this stuff. But the ones that tell you to act a certain way (be a jerk, or whatever) are complete rubbish.
What you call "being a jerk" is essentially behaviour that indicates that you have options in women. Men with options are inherently attractive to women. That does entail treating women with less respect that many consider to be appropriate.
One of the harder things to come to grips with, is that women really are attracted to confident jerks, more than they are to confident nice guys. The important thing is that the jerk is sometimes nice to her.
Think about it this way: in mice, when a mouse gets a food treat for pushing the lever, the mouse will push the lever when hungry. When the mouse, only sometimes gets the food treat for pushing the lever, the mouse will become addicted to pushing the lever. What is love if not a psychological addiction to the affection of another person?
On November 03 2011 02:15 squattincassanova wrote: Well Egyptian_Head and TheAura,
Pickup isn't for everyone. Even the guys that willingly attempt it, 95% will fail and quit miserably. Best of luck in finding a girl who loves you the way you are. Love to hear about your stories it in 5 years.
Btw, the reason everyone is hooking up is because people are settling or hooking up with other people their own level. They aren't improving to hook up with 9's and 10's. They are just hooking 4's and 5's because they themselves are 5's and 6's. There aren't enough 10's in the world to go around for everyone. Sorry, its pure math. Beautiful women are bombarded with options.
You are assuming uniformity in desire, you assume we all want the same things out of people (I assume you think we all desire looks as a primary concern). Me personally I have dated a few girls who love going out parting every week in the clubs, I cannot stand it. I truly hate it. I don't care how hot they are, personalities clash way to much. I have to assume you are ranking people by their looks, I don't think even you guys think girls have the same desires (beyond hygiene, confidence and maybe some basic humor). I want someone who doesn't mind my interests, they don't have to like them themselves. Looks really are very low down in the priorities, I wouldn't go so far as to say irrelevant because I do have standards. But because most people keep them self in reasonable shape which is all I require in that department your ranking system means nothing to me. My 10 might be your 1. That's the beauty of it all. If a girl likes musical theater that is going to get my attention way more than her facial structure.
Confidence Humor Well Traveled Leading Preselection Conversational Skills Interesting Fashion Hygiene Body Language Non Needy Non Clingy Unreactive
All universal traits that women desire that you probably are not close to mastering. Its a lot easier to change yourself than it is for the world to change for you. Tell me what your dream girl is, and tell me whats special about you that no other guy possess?
On November 03 2011 00:44 Egyptian_Head wrote: I have a question. Why not just be yourself? Most people are quiet interesting once you get to know them, that will include most of you. Surely you should learn how to show what makes you interesting and different not just put on an act. The act might be easier but what good is it? You are going to have to stop acting at some point. And yeah being nice is not a personality, that is pretty much suppressing anything that could be called a personality. Just say whatever you want to say and if you click with the girl awesome, if you don't it wasn't going to go anywhere past sex anyway and there are only so many ways to have sex before it gets old.
From what I can see the main benefit of this kind of thing is it encourages you to try, which is good. Getting the confidence to approach people is great, if you are having fun doing this that is amazing for you. But if you are just going to be "cocky and funny" (or whatever it is meant to be) that may be great if you are just looking for a lay, but that cannot be the best way to go if you want anything more than just in the now.
Because for most people, "just being yourself" is not attractive to women. There are traits that women find attractive, and other traits that women find unattractive. Pick up is a way of displaying the former and minimizing displays of the latter.
Its the male equivalent of a girl putting on make up, a push up bra, short skirt and smiling at men.
Different things attract different woman. Sure there are things like basic hygiene which will always help but beyond that there is not one way to be which works best. If it was like that barely anyone would hook up. You are making a mistake at looking at this as if it was a system. Yeah some woman do like the kind of things these systems promote. But just as many don't like it. These systems look tailor made to try pick up girls in clubs and pubs, pro tip there is an entire world of woman outside of the clubs and pubs. And you know what, most of them are just as insecure as you are (not you as in you but rather insecure people in general).
I mean the kind of stuff I like is not exactly what people consider cool or attractive to woman. I love musicals, classic literature and all things nerdy. People generally find out this is the kind of stuff I like in our first meeting. I don't try to be anyone else. Sure some girls don't like it, others do, and that is my point, you cannot lump the entire female gender into one box and say they like this.
Sure, there are some girls with unusual tastes. But the truth is overwhelming majority of women have basically the same preferences: the physique of a michaelangelo statue, confidence, dominance, the ability to make them laugh. Even girls that like nerdy stuff, like those traits. Women aren't attracted to shyness, or awkwardness, or ugliness. Those men have other traits that make them attractive to women: money, power, confidence, comic ability etc and thus, those negative traits are glossed over, because one thing that sex does, is make it so we ignore the faults of our significant others.
These things you are talking about shyness, or awkwardness, or ugliness have nothing to do with what I am talking about. Those are a result of you lacking confidence which has nothing to do with who you are. These systems give you confidence. I have not problem with ones that are just dealing with this stuff. But the ones that tell you to act a certain way (be a jerk, or whatever) are complete rubbish.
What you call "being a jerk" is essentially behaviour that indicates that you have options in women. Men with options are inherently attractive to women. That does entail treating women with less respect that many consider to be appropriate.
One of the harder things to come to grips with, is that women really are attracted to confident jerks, more than they are to confident nice guys. The important thing is that the jerk is sometimes nice to her.
Think about it this way: in mice, when a mouse gets a food treat for pushing the lever, the mouse will push the lever when hungry. When the mouse, only sometimes gets the food treat for pushing the lever, the mouse will become addicted to pushing the lever. What is love if not a psychological addiction to the affection of another person?
You know what, go play your games, go on trying to trick girls into accepting and liking you (that is exactly what it sound like you are trying to do). I am happy for you. I just hope you understand one day that woman are not all the same. This is not high school, you do not have to act in a certain way for people to like you. Just be yourself and people will like you. Add being confident and maintaining your looks and I can guarantee you will not have any problems. All this be jerk, be cocky but funny, is completely unnecessary.
Girls aren't stupid. You can't trick a girl into liking you by saying a few lines. The ones that sleep with you actually like you for who you are. You sound like a hardcore keyboard jockey. Please, actually go out and talk to girls before you make another post because at this point, I can tell you have no success with women. You aren't even a good keyboard jockeying at that. Its like you haven't even read anything nor have you gone out. You literally sound like a guy that's read maybe 5 pages of pickup material and you hear a few pick up terminology and you don't know wtf they really mean or how its used. You are arguing with guys who have read 1000+ pages, listened to countless DVDs, taken bootcamps, and approached over 2000 girls, and have had women in the double digit range. Come back when you are more informed because right now, you are a waste of time.
On November 03 2011 02:49 squattincassanova wrote: Confidence Humor Well Traveled Leading Preselection Conversational Skills Interesting Fashion Hygiene Body Language Non Needy Non Clingy Unreactive
All universal traits that women desire that you probably are not close to mastering. Its a lot easier to change yourself than it is for the world to change for you. Tell me what your dream girl is, and tell me whats special about you that no other guy possess?
Horrible question. There is nothing about me that is unique. There is nothing special about me. I guess I am double jointed in a weird place but I suspect that's not what you were talking about. There are 7 billion of us now. Even in a population of a few thousand there will be nothing special about you.
Get that entire idea out of your head. If there was just one perfect person for you it might mean something. But because there is nothing special about me it also means there is nothing special about any girl either. I have plenty options, there are likely hundreds of woman in the city I live in who are compatible with me, none clearly better than the others. What makes them special is me getting to know and love them,
On November 03 2011 02:39 Egyptian_Head wrote:But because most people keep them self in reasonable shape which is all I require in that department your ranking system means nothing to me. My 10 might be your 1.
General beauty is actually a standard scale across most civilized societies now, countless psy and marketing studies have proven this. A hot girl would be considered hot by surveys across all societies and walks of life, this is not debatable.
A 10 will be a 9/10 to EVERYONE. The only way it's not a 9 or 10 is due to your own clouded perception of what is a 10 to yourself. You may devalue a 10 to a 6 just for your own ego and make you feel better that you can only get with girls that are truly a 6 to the rest of the world.
On November 03 2011 03:02 squattincassanova wrote: Egyptian_Head,
Girls aren't stupid. You can't trick a girl into liking you by saying a few lines. The ones that sleep with you actually like you for who you are. You sound like a hardcore keyboard jockey. Please, actually go out and talk to girls before you make another post because at this point, I can tell you have no success with women. You aren't even a good keyboard jockeying at that. Its like you haven't even read anything nor have you gone out. You literally sound like a guy that's read maybe 5 pages of pickup material and you hear a few pick up terminology and you don't know wtf they really mean or how its used. You are arguing with guys who have read 1000+ pages, listened to countless DVDs, taken bootcamps, and approached over 2000 girls, and have had women in the double digit range. Come back when you are more informed because right now, you are a waste of time.
Oh god, already resorting to insults? I will say one thing you are right I don't know anything about this pick up stuff, I don't care enough to read about it. I bet everyone who disagrees with you gets called a keyboard jockey don't they? I was hoping to avoid the name calling but if you want to validate yourself go ahead.
And to answer you, not that it has a purpose as you will not believe but w/e, no I have a healthy relationship with woman. I will freely admit in high school you would have been spot on, hell I couldn't even approach a anything that resembled a female of any species, I probably would have had trouble with a guy in drag. If I had found this stuff back then I would have jumped at it, anything to help me with woman. Today however I do alright. I don't really have any troubles, I am not saying that every I talk to loves me but I am far from what I once was.
btw. I never said woman are stupid, but that is how a lot of you guys come across as portraying them.
On November 03 2011 02:49 squattincassanova wrote: Confidence Humor Well Traveled Leading Preselection Conversational Skills Interesting Fashion Hygiene Body Language Non Needy Non Clingy Unreactive
All universal traits that women desire that you probably are not close to mastering. Its a lot easier to change yourself than it is for the world to change for you. Tell me what your dream girl is, and tell me whats special about you that no other guy possess?
Why must you master them all? What does that accomplish other then feeding your ego? This is out of simple curiousity now, as i wish to know what you gain from you hypothetically mastering all those skills. The ability to have a high success rate with chicks?
After four years of university, i certainly understand the fun of hooking up with chicks, but what baffles me is to the extent that you, and others study this. Video taping, recordings, it just seems like way to much, so im trying to understand what you are trying to even accomplish. You keep mentioned changing yourself, but to what end? it seems your sole method of evaluating yourself is off of your women success, so you keep studying yourself and whatnot to improve, and if thats the case then i find that a little sad.
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