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Bottom line is we seem to pretty much agree that men and women are fundamentally different in how they emotionally experience events. I don't understand your insistence to stress the "stronger" tag, when all it comes down to is common language usage while potentially offending various parts of the population. Where's the gain?
I wasn't actually cherry picking cancer types that have a higher prevalence in males. I was saying men get more cancer, men that get cancer are more likely to die than their female counterparts, men get a whole lot of stuff more. And for whatever reason you felt you needed to dispute that. Ok, you don't feel it's often men's own fault they get cancer... yeah? So what? Just one more example... malignant hyperthermia (concerns me as an anaesthesiologist), we have no idea what causes it, wish I knew, would get me some prestige, very unlikely it has anything to do with lifestyle choices... prevalence m/f 2:1, mostly in young people. Sucks for us guys cause it's something perfeclty healthy young men die of while getting a hernia fixed. We could be doing this all day. My initial point was, for sake of argument, when it comes to health, men are definitely "the weaker" gender. Yes, I'm aware this has no relevance in regard to dating, and we've strayed way off topic. But I don't see how you can sit there and deny this with a straight face.
Again, we pretty much agree that men make stupid lifestyle choices and that women might have it better in this day and age. I don't consider myself a feminist nor am I shouting feminist views from rooftops. I doubt anyone reading this is actually interested how I feel about feminism, but http://postmasculine.com/why-im-not-a-feminist this guy shares a lot of my feelings on the topic. Each gender has to deal with gender-specific challenges. You think I enjoyed army service? Do you think my sister enjoys getting less pay than male solicitors with equal experience?
Now, I'm not even remotely surprised by you saying I'm a feminist promoting white knight somethingrather. Why? Pretty much everytime anyone questions so-called scientificly supported PUA theory this is the response you will get: Feminist! Drink buying-dinner paying average frustrated chump! Passive aggressive beta-male! Does this sound familiar at all? Why don't we let our girlfriends, fiancées and mothers read some PUA theory and ask them if they feel it's in any way misogynist? I've said before, I'm a specimen of the i-net generation, I couldn't give a flying duck what other people do or think, however, I'm convinced it's counterproductive for PUA to convey (potentially) misogynic concepts to young impressionable guys. That's what you're dealing with. Most PUA veterans have a big chip on their shoulder due to painful prior experiences with women. That background has lead to the sexist undertone that comes with a large portion of the PUA reckoning, and it results in toxic mindsets. Just because I lack that chip, it long doesn't make me a feminist. Learn to love yourself and learn to love women for everything they are. Convince yourself of that and you'll be a happier person.
Female hypergamy is not a recent phenomenon. It's been deeply ingrained into human evolution for millions of years.
Round about right now I'm just going to have to call BULL on the misinterpretation of evolutionary psychology in PUA. Beyond that, evolutionary psychology is a collection of theories, not scientific facts. You're just going to have to internalise that and accept it, even if it's been part of your university psychology courses. Some of it makes sense but again, they're not proven facts. Much like what is written in the bible might be respected, but not facts. No one actually knows what women and men behaved like 5-100k b.c. No, I don't particulary enjoy being patronising but I cannot take someone seriously who accepts such statements without any healthy scepticism. I just feel too tempted to butcher such stuff. Be your own man. Think your own thoughts and come to your own conclusions, tolerate other people's way of life and their ideas, those are traits of an attractive, independent and yes strong-minded guy.
What's way more positive to take away from this is: we, as humans, aren't all the same, nor are we genetically/evolutionary/otherwise designed to be. You can be an attractive man without becoming all this alpha male stuff. Don't even get me started on the alpha-male concept propagated in PUA.
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On a related rational rant while also being patronizing, One of the mistakes mentions that women are better able to read body language.
Women are approximately TEN TIMES better than men at reading body language. That's ten TIMES.
It's important to realize that this is written in a similar sense of commercials, for revenue. Even if this was true it would be completely irrelevant since what matters is whether or not they understand it. You would never be able to prove this; however, the truth is ingrained into the fact that generally society cultivates women to be more emotional further developing their emotion intelligence or "EQ".
I could point things like this throughout the whole book, while it still may be an interesting read it is important to realize and be able to understand and question what your reading. If we didn't do that for anything, we would lose our individuality and be completely following what other people say.
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The reason cassnova has so many problems picking up girls is not "identifying and dealing with shit tests" and that bullshit it's because he isn't comfortable in his own skin. Just listen to his pickup videos. He talks like a robot coldly calculating every next move instead of just being confident and expressing his absolute best self and not giving a fuck what the girl thinks. Even your laughs come off as foolish and fake. You don't think girls notice this shit? The words you say MEAN NOTHING. The way you carry yourself and the confidence/aura you exude means everything. If you talk like a nerd and say the same things as the best PUA out there it doesn't matter.
Frankly, PUA is complete bullshit and this is coming from someone who was into it. It it one of those things that comes full circle. You spend all this time trying to learn women when really the only thing you should be learning about is yourself and how to become the most badass and awesome you that is possible. When you acheive that and trust yourself then you are only a few kino trial and errors away from becoming a boss "PUA". Not thousands of hours a year spent awkwardly approaching girls with canned responses to "shit tests" aka a girl having fun busting your balls.
The end game is that you won't care about PUA at all because you realize it just stemmed from nerds copying guys with confidence. Instead of copying their confident, not give a fuck attitudes and self-assuredness, they copied their actions and words. This is not the way to do it and can be seen by all the time cassanova wastes awkwardly approaching girls and recording it for some "PUA" to coach him on.
And yes you have problems picking up girls with your time investment to success ratio.
Dude just watch simplepickup and see how it's really done. That short indian dude pulls more ass than you ever will at this rate.
Focus on yourself. Picture your most badass self in your head and work to become it. Once you start getting close your confidence with women will skyrocket and no PUA techniques in the world can emulate that because it is real. You can only fake it til you make it for so long before the girl realizes you really don't have it.
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On May 17 2012 06:38 LostDevil wrote:
The reason cassnova has so many problems picking up girls is not "identifying and dealing with shit tests" and that bullshit it's because he isn't comfortable in his own skin. Just listen to his pickup videos. He talks like a robot coldly calculating every next move instead of just being confident and expressing his absolute best self and not giving a fuck what the girl thinks. Even your laughs come off as foolish and fake. You don't think girls notice this shit? The words you say MEAN NOTHING. The way you carry yourself and the confidence/aura you exude means everything. If you talk like a nerd and say the same things as the best PUA out there it doesn't matter.
Actually I been called for screwing around too much and being self amused. I actually follow structure less than I should. I tend to get stuck in the attraction phase way too long staying funny stupid shit. But regardless, I am still human in the end. And what girls say some times do get to me. Not many people have flawless shatter proof inner game. If you go up to a hot girl and she talks shit, I dont give a fuck how natural you are, you're going to feel it inside to some extent. Have you ever seen a rap battle when one guy makes a huge diss on the other dude? The other guy gets stifled. Its even more so when you are getting a lot of positive feedback and when you are invested in that interaction. If I go up to a girl right off the bat and she says "fuck you". I usually don't give a fuck. But lets say you are with a girl for an hour, and its kind of on but you're not sure... and you really want it to go well because shes hot and you kind of like her.... but she throws you a curve ball out of nowhere.... some times you choke. That's just the way it is.
But from a keyboard jockey like you, I can see how you have no idea wtf you're talking about. Its like a guy whos never riden a bike saying "dude, just press down on your feel and make the pedals move!". Of course this seems easy for you. You never been rejected because you never even approached.
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Dude, squattin, as a frequent reader of this thread I respect what you are trying to do, but you gotta stop calling anyone who criticizes you a keyboard jockey. Your last post is a perfect example, you make good points in the first paragraph, leave it at that. Don't sabotage your credibility by tacking on the second butthurt-sounding paragraph.
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On May 17 2012 06:38 LostDevil wrote:
And yes you have problems picking up girls with your time investment to success ratio.
Dude just watch simplepickup and see how it's really done. That short indian dude pulls more ass than you ever will at this rate.
1. I don't give a shit what my investment to ratio is. What matters is my end result. You approach 0 and get laid 0. I approach 2000 and get laid 12. Twelve beats zero.
2. I have sarged with Jesse from Simple Pickup. They started PU in 2008. I started in 2011. Hes got 3+ years on me. Which equates to 4x the field time. And those guy sarge way more than me. I go out 2x a week. Jesse and Kong has been at it 3 - 4x a week for 4 years. They have opened upwards of 6000-8000 sets by now. To be honest, their banter skills are not that much better than mine. If you see their unedited video of Jesse plowing those FOB Asian girls, it was pretty bad. Plus you don't even know these guys in real life. To tell me to be like someone that you don't even know. You think you know them because you seen a few "youtube videos"? lmao. You don't know their effort to success ratio. You don't know how many sets they got blown out before their first lay. I guarantee you, Kong had a much longer period of reaching lay from cold approach than me. It took me 3 months, It took him longer than that. You can ask him if you want.
The truth of the matter is, even in a single approach, its never pure smooth sailing. A lot of times there will be hiccups along the way. Cock blocks, she shows disinterest some where along the way etc etc. And Simple pickup heavily edits their videos. All my videos are pretty much the full interaction from start to end, of course there are going to be rough areas. If I just edit my videos to just the the parts where I am in state. I would put Julian from RSD to shame.
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On May 17 2012 10:49 OperationIvy wrote:
Dude, squattin, as a frequent reader of this thread I respect what you are trying to do, but you gotta stop calling anyone who criticizes you a keyboard jockey. Your last post is a perfect example, you make good points in the first paragraph, leave it at that. Don't sabotage your credibility by tacking on the second butthurt-sounding paragraph.
The problem with squat is that he refuses to accept feedback or criticism, and will lash back at anyone who points out any flaws rather than humbly accept that there are areas where he needs improvement. This may be his auto-PUA approval complex AMOG state, kind of like the nerd beta male version of girls with daddy issues (always trying to look good in front of others but just coming across as tryhard) - the whole trying to show off in front of other people thing but it won't work on girls. If you get defensive when a girl points out a mistake in you and start calling her the social equivalent of a keyboard jockey it just makes you look like a huge loser who's insecure and they can detect that shit from a mile away.
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On May 17 2012 10:55 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 06:38 LostDevil wrote:
And yes you have problems picking up girls with your time investment to success ratio.
Dude just watch simplepickup and see how it's really done. That short indian dude pulls more ass than you ever will at this rate.
1. I don't give a shit what my investment to ratio is. What matters is my end result. You approach 0 and get laid 0. I approach 2000 and get laid 12. Twelve beats zero. 2. I have sarged with Jesse from Simple Pickup. They started PU in 2008. I started in 2011. Hes got 3+ years on me. Which equates to 4x the field time. And those guy sarge way more than me. I go out 2x a week. Jesse and Kong has been at it 3 - 4x a week for 4 years. They have opened upwards of 6000-8000 sets by now. To be honest, their banter skills are not that much better than mine. If you see their unedited video of Jesse plowing those FOB Asian girls, it was pretty bad. Plus you don't even know these guys in real life. To tell me to be like someone that you don't even know. You think you know them because you seen a few "youtube videos"? lmao. You don't know their effort to success ratio. You don't know how many sets they got blown out before their first lay. I guarantee you, Kong had a much longer period of reaching lay from cold approach than me. It took me 3 months, It took him longer than that. You can ask him if you want. The truth of the matter is, even in a single approach, its never pure smooth sailing. A lot of times there will be hiccups along the way. Cock blocks, she shows disinterest some where along the way etc etc. And Simple pickup heavily edits their videos. All my videos are pretty much the full interaction from start to end, of course there are going to be rough areas. If I just edit my videos to just the the parts where I am in state. I would put Julian from RSD to shame.
Meh, I've probably approached about 20 babes with the intention of getting them home over the last year and laid five. That makes my investment ratio 25%, whereas yours is 0.06%. That makes my e-penis is bigger than yours, which is what you're obviously obsessed about showing off about.
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On May 17 2012 10:55 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 06:38 LostDevil wrote:
And yes you have problems picking up girls with your time investment to success ratio.
Dude just watch simplepickup and see how it's really done. That short indian dude pulls more ass than you ever will at this rate.
1. I don't give a shit what my investment to ratio is. What matters is my end result. You approach 0 and get laid 0. I approach 2000 and get laid 12. Twelve beats zero.
If you want to tell others how to do shit your investment ratio matters a lot. I'm pretty sure I have below 2k approaches over the last 4 years. Hell, I'd wonder if I'm much above 1k total. I'm still at a level where I can comfortably go out on a weekend and say "Ima get a girl home" if I'm solo. I can't 100% pull yet for threesomes, but meh, it's getting slowly better.
Considering my sex life before pickup consistent of "getting picked up once per year by a girl who finds me cute just to find out I'm 'not her type' a few weeks later", I'd not say I had awesome starting conditions myself.
If you approach 2k and get laid 12 times, you do some very basic shit wrong. You're just busy calling everyone keyboard jockey who actually sees shit you do wrong and is able to explain it.
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On May 17 2012 11:47 r.Evo wrote:
If you want to tell others how to do shit your investment ratio matters a lot.
Was Squat telling others how to do stuff? All he's been doing in my eyes is reporting his life back to this thread. I don't exactly recall him saying he was inviting all you guys to come out of the woodwork and give your feedback either. So his reaction "oh, okay, what have you got?" is warranted. So what have you? Squat is getting success. When I first read this thread in march or so I too found his daygame videos a bit awkward and lanky, but I'm sure he's improving and yes they were unedited. Do you actually believe those daygame approach videos are just one guy turning on the camera and that's it? Well, then you're very gullible, they're selling a product after all. Do you also believe the girl in the shampoo commercial just washed her hair with the shampoo and that was that?
What actually matters is that Squat feels good about himself, or at least better than he did prior. That is key. What I commend Squat for is he is making an effort to improve his lifestyle. What if he's not the most smooth operator, what you should be asking is the quality of his dates (not only their looks) improving? If you want to compare E-pricks Mango, why don't you post some pictures of your 25% success rate dates? It's pretty simple really, the guy with the nicest looking dates has the tightest game. Easy pick ups don't give you quality of life, great dates and relationships on the other hand do. So what if it's not all smooth sailing, if you end up with the woman you wanted you're a winner in my eyes.
This is all a bit highschool revisited. Guys who gang up on others are weak. I've said before, I don't feel Squat's path is for everyone. His "it's going to be hard work and no fun" mentality must be derived from "no-pain-no-gain". But if it's working for him, it's not my place to tell him otherwise. At least he's realistic about a whole lot of things related to attraction and dating.
Lastly, where are all the women with daddy issues frequently mentioned in PUA? I've dated women on 3 continents not one of them had psychological issues relating to her father. Oh, what, someone read it in Freud and Jung?
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On May 17 2012 15:47 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 11:47 r.Evo wrote:
If you want to tell others how to do shit your investment ratio matters a lot. Was Squat telling others how to do stuff? All he's been doing in my eyes is reporting his life back to this thread. I don't exactly recall him saying he was inviting all you guys to come out of the woodwork and give your feedback either. So his reaction "oh, okay, what have you got?" is warranted. So what have you? Squat is getting success. When I first read this thread in march or so I too found his daygame videos a bit awkward and lanky, but I'm sure he's improving and yes they were unedited. Do you actually believe those daygame approach videos are just one guy turning on the camera and that's it? Well, then you're very gullible, they're selling a product after all. Do you also believe the girl in the shampoo commercial just washed her hair with the shampoo and that was that? What actually matters is that Squat feels good about himself, or at least better than he did prior. That is key. What I commend Squat for is he is making an effort to improve his lifestyle. What if he's not the most smooth operator, what you should be asking is the quality of his dates (not only their looks) improving? If you want to compare E-pricks Mango, why don't you post some pictures of your 25% success rate dates? It's pretty simple really, the guy with the nicest looking dates has the tightest game. Easy pick ups don't give you quality of life, great dates and relationships on the other hand do. So what if it's not all smooth sailing, if you end up with the woman you wanted you're a winner in my eyes. This is all a bit highschool revisited. Guys who gang up on others are weak. I've said before, I don't feel Squat's path is for everyone. His "it's going to be hard work and no fun" mentality must be derived from "no-pain-no-gain". If it's working for him, fine by me. At least he's realistic about a whole lot of things related to attraction and dating. Lastly, where are all the women with daddy issues frequently mentioned in PUA? I've dated women on 3 continents not one of them had psychological issues relating to her father. Oh, what, someone read it in Freud?
Haha nah about 6 out of the last 7 girls I dated had major daddy issues... and the jury is still out on the 7th.
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Really or are you being sarcastic? Tell me about it. They just told you? Or how did you figure? Did it affect you dating them? Now I come to think of it, the only woman I know with daddy issues is my own mother, she hated her dad, hasn't seem him since 1983 and doesn't even know if he's alive.
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On May 17 2012 15:47 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 11:47 r.Evo wrote:
If you want to tell others how to do shit your investment ratio matters a lot. Was Squat telling others how to do stuff? All he's been doing in my eyes is reporting his life back to this thread. I don't exactly recall him saying he was inviting all you guys to come out of the woodwork and give your feedback either. So his reaction "oh, okay, what have you got?" is warranted. So what have you? Squat is getting success. When I first read this thread in march or so I too found his daygame videos a bit awkward and lanky, but I'm sure he's improving and yes they were unedited. Do you actually believe those daygame approach videos are just one guy turning on the camera and that's it? Well, then you're very gullible, they're selling a product after all. Do you also believe the girl in the shampoo commercial just washed her hair with the shampoo and that was that? What actually matters is that Squat feels good about himself, or at least better than he did prior. That is key. What I commend Squat for is he is making an effort to improve his lifestyle. What if he's not the most smooth operator, what you should be asking is the quality of his dates (not only their looks) improving? If you want to compare E-pricks Mango, why don't you post some pictures of your 25% success rate dates? It's pretty simple really, the guy with the nicest looking dates has the tightest game. Easy pick ups don't give you quality of life, great dates and relationships on the other hand do. So what if it's not all smooth sailing, if you end up with the woman you wanted you're a winner in my eyes. This is all a bit highschool revisited. Guys who gang up on others are weak. I've said before, I don't feel Squat's path is for everyone. His "it's going to be hard work and no fun" mentality must be derived from "no-pain-no-gain". But if it's working for him, it's not my place to tell him otherwise. At least he's realistic about a whole lot of things related to attraction and dating. Lastly, where are all the women with daddy issues frequently mentioned in PUA? I've dated women on 3 continents not one of them had psychological issues relating to her father. Oh, what, someone read it in Freud and Jung?
Nice post, I too feel Squat gets a bit of a hard time in this section for just giving his own experiences.
On the daddy issues thing, I'm surprised you've avoided them! I consider daddy issues to be both ends of the spectrum, namely having a terrible relationship with their father, too an unhealthily/creepily close relationship with them. Both do pose their problems, the former will manifest itself in really low self-esteem masked with a facade of outward confidence, either by sleeping around, or by being humourous and loud in social environments. This wasn't actually too bad for me, the girl was pretty great and we dated for a while before drifting apart and she went overseas to university. Yeah she did have her issues and would need picked up if she was down, but I don't mind that so much. The latter was worse for me though, this girl wouldn't shut up about how great her dad was, how funny he was etc etc, to the extent it just put me off her entirely.
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Actually I been called for screwing around too much and being self amused. I actually follow structure less than I should. I tend to get stuck in the attraction phase way too long staying funny stupid shit. But regardless, I am still human in the end. And what girls say some times do get to me. Not many people have flawless shatter proof inner game. If you go up to a hot girl and she talks shit, I dont give a fuck how natural you are, you're going to feel it inside to some extent. Have you ever seen a rap battle when one guy makes a huge diss on the other dude? The other guy gets stifled. Its even more so when you are getting a lot of positive feedback and when you are invested in that interaction. If I go up to a girl right off the bat and she says "fuck you". I usually don't give a fuck. But lets say you are with a girl for an hour, and its kind of on but you're not sure... and you really want it to go well because shes hot and you kind of like her.... but she throws you a curve ball out of nowhere.... some times you choke. That's just the way it is.
But from a keyboard jockey like you, I can see how you have no idea wtf you're talking about. Its like a guy whos never riden a bike saying "dude, just press down on your feel and make the pedals move!". Of course this seems easy for you. You never been rejected because you never even approached.[/QUOTE]
I approach all the time. In fact I do every time I go out. The difference is I don't run into the same problems as all these guys are running into. I just got the Simplepickup 5$ thing and yes, I agree, Jesse came off awkward as fuck and I should not have compared him to you saying he was better. Frankly, he could be a LOT better, but his mindset is right. I think him being better with girls would also require a personality change and he would need to stop dressing and slouching like a 50 year old man.
I take issue with your post and think a big part of your problem lies in what you wrote above. You may not want criticism but it's what you are going to get from me. Just so you know, I had to work at this too but my learning curve was not as long as yours and I think it has to do with your mindset. I am about 1 year out now from consciously deciding to put effort into changing my ways with women. However, I read mystery method over 5 years ago. The difference between you and I from what I can tell is that you believe a successful outcome to be weighted more heavily on different factors than I do. The woman's perception here is a very important thing and has little to do with the words you speak, this is a fact.
I changed myself as a person first.
Why are you with a girl for an hour and not physical? Most girls give me 10-15 minutes tops before I need to make a move and if I don't then I'm gone. That's what my experience has been, maybe your interactions are different in that regard but I like to get physical sooner rather than later ever since when I first started a girl told me she didn't even know I was hitting on her after I asked her for her number at the end of a conversation. Embarrassingly bad I was. But I made a mental note and next time I forced myself to start touching. There, I was now on the right path. One interaction it took, not 100. It may take 100 to have perfect "kino" but that's really unrealistic because you can't be perfect in the eyes of every girl since every one is different. You can be what you consider to be perfect for yourself and that shouldn't take 100 attempts at escalation.
You want to believe in this thing called the shit test. I used to read roissy's blog and believed in it whole heartedly and would analyze things to the Nth degree trying to figure out how to deal with shit tests etc... One day, because of a terrible break up I said fuck this, I'm going to say whatever I want to a girl in an interaction and just trust myself. No hesitation, nothing. Just roll with whatever comes out. When I checked this thread the other day it was the first time I had heard "shit test" in the longest time. I have not even acknowledged the possibility of a girl shit testing me in person. Six months after committing to not giving a shit I stumbled across my best line by accident. I made out with a girl against her car at the end of a first date, pulled away mid makeout, smacked her butt, said "not bad for your first time" and then smirked and walked away. As I was walking away I thought, holy shit where the hell did that come from. No canned through process, just me.
"Actually I been called for screwing around too much and being self amused. I actually follow structure less than I should. I tend to get stuck in the attraction phase way too long staying funny stupid shit. But regardless, I am still human in the end. And what girls say some times do get to me. Not many people have flawless shatter proof inner game"
This is what I have a problem with. You are under the perception because some PUA guru has told you that you dick around too much that it is a problem. You don't follow structure.. OH NO! That is the point man. You are struggling to follow a structure when in fact you should be pushing structure so far away you don't want anything to do with it. Do you want to sit around thinking about your interactions with girls? Do you really? It just causes anxiety and you will have much more success spending that time focusing on bettering yourself and just letting loose (without structure) your most confident self in public. I think I remember you mentioning you want to marry a crazy beautiful and awesome girl to have babies with. Well... do you want to spend the rest of your life being able to joke around with her and her knowing that you are your crazy self or trying to follow some common perception of what game is.
Pickup really follows no structure. You have to adapt to whoever you are talking to. How is there structure when you can walk up to a girl and makeout with her and then find another that requires 3 dates before sex at the very minimum no matter if you are Brad fucking Pitt.
Bottom line is, humans only learn through going out there and doing it themselves. You have been arguing that all along in this thread and I agree. But I disagree with how you are learning from your mistakes. From what it seems (yes I have watched a number of your videos on youtube), is that you have others teach you and have them review your mistakes. This is wrong. I once thought it was right too. I would always ask friends for input on my interactions. It messed me up big time. The biggest breakthrough ever for my game was convincing myself to follow two words "Trust yourself". I was an introvert growing up and very very good at reading people so I just decided to trust it. It has paid off in spades and it was the best pickup decision I have ever made. I don't even ask people for advice anymore on any interactions. I used to be the guy asking my friends if they thought a girl liked me. Now they are telling me a girl is not into me from looking at the interaction and I tell them they are full of shit because I can see it in her eyes.
You should put minimal effort into reviewing your actual pickup footage and your "mistakes". Maybe take one thing you did wrong a night and go over it and simply say to yourself "don't do that shit again". There, now you're done with it and not worried about it because you trust yourself to make the change and because you trust yourself you will get it done.
The human mind is constantly self correcting with minimal effort required on your end as long as you are self conscious enough to have an idea of what you are doing during the hours you are awake and talking to people. You are complicating this process by reviewing footage and having someone review it that is not in your shoes with a feel for what is going on and the gets the emotions/facial expressions at that very point in time tell you what to do. You have to do that on your own.
I don't have shatterproof inner game yet but I'm close on good days. I think that is the #1 thing to work towards because it affects your entire life and not just women. This is the priority IMO. If you aren't close (it is nothing to be embarrassed about as I was depressed and felt like shit for no reason for months) then maybe that is where your effort should go and not to pickup. I mean yea, go out and have a good time, but focus on having a good time. You have enough hours under your belt to be capable of meeting amazing girls. You think every guy with a dime on his arm puts in the work you do in "pickup"? No, almost none do. The difference is they have amazing self belief so they don't need to. Pickup artists that charge money don't want you to know that. If you don't believe in yourself, which you don't, because you feel the need to study this shit nonstop and make youtube videos about it for others to review, then how is any amazing woman going to believe in you for the rest of your life?
You should want to become a natural. It should be reactionary. This removes stress from your life. You no longer worry about interactions with women. You just adapt instead of analyze. So you should practice adapting and stop practicing analyzing. You are hurting yourself by analyzing social interaction so much. I know because I did the same. Paralysis by Analysis brotha. Girls can see right through this every time, especially if I can feel it through your youtube videos.
If a girl throws you a curveball after an hour, it is because you did something. Look at it that way, not just "oh she wanted to throw me a curveball shittest how do I adapt Mr. Guru with died hair and shit style?". Girls are emotional and reactionary creatures looking for you to take the lead. You did something to warrant the "shittest" or whatever it you want to call it. Just don't do it again. I would know what I did wrong after spending 3 minutes thinking over the interaction after walking away and damnit you know too if you just trust in yourself. Make the mental note and move on to the next and I guarantee you it won't happen again.
In the end, if a girl ever gives you shit about something about yourself, just say the three magic words with a smirk on your face, "deal with it". You can cry about it later when you get home (after banging her).
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I take criticism just fine. I'm pretty much in the PUA coaching social circle now that I been working for one. Its a small community, especially when you sarge in LA and Hollywood and you bump into Simple Pickup / RSD / or some PUA company almost every night.
I just don't take criticism from keyboard jockeys, especially when I can blatantly tell who they are. They all share the exact same symptoms. All theory, quoting from books, but not actually from real life events or lessons learned from past sets. There are a lot on this forum just like there are a lot on actual PUA forums. Once you know the word choice, is stupidly easy to tell who KJs and who doesn't. When I guy writes a 2 page article on NLP, but hasn't in any page talked about a date hes gone on within the last month. Hes a Keyboard Jockey.
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Adam Lyons
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Vince Kelvin / Asian Playboy
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Erika and Bravo
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Psych and Fuji
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Sasha DayGame / Ross Jeffries
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Owen
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Hypnotica
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On May 18 2012 05:41 LostDevil wrote
a whole lot of sensible stuff. He's got it figured out.
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So I've been reading a couple pages of this thread tonight and it's all very interesting stuff. As someone who's in a committed relationship with no real desire to sleep around or be with anyone else, but who had a promiscuous past (though, it had nothing to do with PUA; I did no sets and wasn't actively improving my own life, it was mostly just lucky/unlucky fumbling around at parties and whatnot, just to clarify), can I ask you guys what part of the PUA game you are in it for? Back in the days that I slept around a bit, it was for emotional security, to sort of prove to myself that I was worth sleeping with to various women. I didn't even particularly enjoy having sex. So, for you guys, is the whole idea about emotional satisfaction? Is it just a game that you can improve at and "win"? Do you just really really enjoy orgasms? Is it a way to show dominance over other males? Is it a measure of self-worth or self-improvement? Something else entirely? I understand that there's a huge psychological factor to this whole thing, so I guess I wanted to hear some testimonials from some more experienced 'members' on why they're in 'the game.'
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On May 18 2012 17:21 deskscaress wrote:
So I've been reading a couple pages of this thread tonight and it's all very interesting stuff. As someone who's in a committed relationship with no real desire to sleep around or be with anyone else, but who had a promiscuous past (though, it had nothing to do with PUA; I did no sets and wasn't actively improving my own life, it was mostly just lucky/unlucky fumbling around at parties and whatnot, just to clarify), can I ask you guys what part of the PUA game you are in it for? Back in the days that I slept around a bit, it was for emotional security, to sort of prove to myself that I was worth sleeping with to various women. I didn't even particularly enjoy having sex. So, for you guys, is the whole idea about emotional satisfaction? Is it just a game that you can improve at and "win"? Do you just really really enjoy orgasms? Is it a way to show dominance over other males? Is it a measure of self-worth or self-improvement? Something else entirely? I understand that there's a huge psychological factor to this whole thing, so I guess I wanted to hear some testimonials from some more experienced 'members' on why they're in 'the game.'
self-improvement, excitement, getting rejected and pushing the comfort zone, feeling alive. sitting at home playing games is just not a way to live a life.
edit: I might add that it's actually a problem of mine that I'm not enough driven by lays or sex (weak libido?), makes pulling harder.
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So, I meet these two girls today at the local shopping centre. I'm sitting on some public couches, and they come over and muck around, I'm the only one there so I take it as a cue and open indirect.
I get their names, introduce myself, get a little bit of backstory and make them laugh a couple of times. Problem is, though they're enjoying talking to me, they're also in the middle of a competition to do crazy stuff (confronting strangers over "breaking up with them", that sort of thing) in public, and so are continually jumping up, making as if to do something, and then chickening out.
After five minutes, their female friend + a guy who seems to be her boyfriend wander along, have clearly been hanging with them in the recent past and say hi and also sit down on the couches. I say hi, but that's it.
I talk to the two girls for a bit longer, watch one finally stop a guy, tell him he loves her, and then make a hasty exit, to return a couple of minutes later. I have something else scheduled, and need to get moving, so I tell them I'm leaving ("it was entertaining, but 5/10 for the stunts, too much chickening out") and go. Didn't get their phone numbers, because I never managed to get one of them to fully focus on me for more than about 15 seconds at a time, so I couldn't build a strong enough connection leading in to it.
To be discussed: what do you do to centre attention on yourself (without being either really demanding, needy or arrogant) / draw someone in to an extended conversation once you have their attention, ESPECIALLY if they're distracted by their friends / some other activity or errand they feel they need to complete.
EDIT: I probably didn't do a very good job of matching their energy levels, one of them was very amped-up, but I don't know how I could have done so unless I joined in their game, which I didn't because I thought it better to be laid back, and get them into a frame of impressing me by their game, which they both fell for. In retrospect, I still think this was a good decision, but the energy level thing really seems a sticking point for improvement.
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