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zimz
United States510 Posts
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
I am probably one of DJ Fuji's laziest students (kind of, I work for him so I guess you can call me his student). I am also one of the most gifted because of my natural bantering skills. I know all this stuff intellectually because I'm hanging out with a guru 15 hours a week and listen to him tell this to everyone else so I naturally absorb it all. Its not like I sit in my dark room and intellectualize with myself on pickup. Its every time he does a bootcamp and I chill with him, I just hear everything he says to his clients. I haven't read any pickup books or videos for almost 1.5 years now. When I go out, I keep it simple. I usually just write down 1-2 things to work on. Too many people read text book stuff but they don't implement. The key to getting good is implementation. Cuz you can read about locking in but when you actually try locking it, it can look sloppy as fuck. So basically some times, Ill go out and just work on locking in. Ill try to move the girls around for no apparent reason just for shits and giggles. Back and forth, and some times they dont even realize that I am doing it until I lock them in 3-4 times. Basically all I am doing is grabbing her in mid sentence and moving her to where I am standing, and I am taking her place. You just have to consciously drill these things till you are able to unconsciously do it without effort. | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On March 10 2012 04:21 squattincassanova wrote: You know the failure rate is 95% in pickup. 19 out of 20 people who quit didn't drop out because they "over think". Define "failure." Just because they don't take it as far as you do, doesn't mean they necessarily fail; maybe they reached their goal and decided to move on? Maybe they grew out of pick up? I dunno man. I just think it's a pretty high number, and was wondering how you got 95% | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
On March 10 2012 09:15 Catch wrote: Define "failure." Just because they don't take it as far as you do, doesn't mean they necessarily fail; maybe they reached their goal and decided to move on? Maybe they grew out of pick up? I dunno man. I just think it's a pretty high number, and was wondering how you got 95% Its a subjective call and obviously I can't prove it, its just a consensus among the coaches in the community that the failure rate is extremely high., but basically not reaching their goals. That or not getting laid or a true gf that they want. You have to realize the type of people getting into pickup. I swear half the people who are in the Seattle lair work at Microsoft. Most guys getting into pickup aren't naturals. Most of them aren't the ones that require small tweaks. Most guys getting into pickup have massive challenges to over come. Of course once in a while you will get a good looking natural who just wants to get laid even more. But have you gone to a lair meeting or a pick up seminar? Most guys that go there look like World of Warcraft addicts.... | ||
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Catch
United States616 Posts
On March 10 2012 09:22 squattincassanova wrote: Its a subjective call and obviously I can't prove it, its just a consensus among the coaches in the community that the failure rate is extremely high., but basically not reaching their goals. That or not getting laid or a true gf that they want. You have to realize the type of people getting into pickup. I swear half the people who are in the Seattle lair work at Microsoft. Most guys getting into pickup aren't naturals. Most of them aren't the ones that require small tweaks. Most guys getting into pickup have massive challenges to over come. Of course once in a while you will get a good looking natural who just wants to get laid even more. But have you gone to a lair meeting or a pick up seminar? Most guys that go there look like World of Warcraft addicts.... Alright fair enough. Since you've been around, maybe you can give me your opinion. Do you think the failure rate has to do with the coaching technique? From what I heard, most coachs kinda suck at actually making these behaviors stick. Sure, when you pay a couple hundred+ for a bootcamp, and having a bunch of dudes, and having somebody yelling at you to do it, your gonna approach. But what happens when all that is gone? Also, I don't think there are any lairs around here :| I looked around on a few sites and couldn't find anything. So no, I haven't haha. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
On March 10 2012 04:21 squattincassanova wrote: You know the failure rate is 95% in pickup. 19 out of 20 people who quit didn't drop out because they "over think". I'm curious, whats the main reason they quit? | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
1. Can't deal with rejection and approach anxiety / basically being a pussy 2. Lazy, don't go out consistently 3. Don't push the interaction, at the first sign pressure, they eject early from the set 4. Not being smart about it and failing the same mistakes over over 5. Don't get training, and develop weird "pua" habits that they don't even know". A lot of guys who don't learn pick up properly grow even weirder. Its quite true. A lot of guys do these indirect style and it creeps girls out. They are never comfortable being true to their own feelings. Even though their style is "indirect" the girls see they want something and it becomes totally creepy. Everybody develops bad habits. Even I have them, its good to have people better than me point them out. Like one of my bad habits is I sound like a player. I am TOOO gamey. Everything I say is too funny or smooth in the sense that the girl "feels" like they are getting picked up. I need to tone that shit and become more genuine. The funny thing is, a real pick up should never "feel" like a pick up from the girls perspective. It should feel natural and organic. The girl should just be like "it just happened, I didn't see it coming". Part of game is that you have to come across being normal... especially during comfort and rapport stages. When you don't get results its very sad and depressing. I went out with a wing who was 5'5, decent guy, very cool and sociable, but he has a problem of getting into the platonic friend zone. He went back to the hotel early in Vegas, and you can feel the sadness and stress. I had to cheer him up and tell him not to quit. He literally asked me if this really works. He asks me whether someone who's not tall and ripped can get girls.... When you don't get results, you start doubting yourself and the process. A 4-5 year journey is not for the weak and lazy. You will have months of getting nowhere and you really have to go on faith and keep pushing. Its only for the guys that want it bad enough. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:07 squattincassanova wrote: 1. Can't deal with rejection and approach anxiety / basically being a pussy 2. Lazy, don't go out consistently 3. Don't push the interaction, at the first sign pressure, they eject early from the set 4. Not being smart about it and failing the same mistakes over over 5. Don't get training, and develop weird "pua" habits that they don't even know". A lot of guys who don't learn pick up properly grow even weirder. Its quite true. A lot of guys do these indirect style and it creeps girls out. They are never comfortable being true to their own feelings. Even though their style is "indirect" the girls see they want something and it becomes totally creepy. Everybody develops bad habits. Even I have them, its good to have people better than me point them out. Like one of my bad habits is I sound like a player. I am TOOO gamey. Everything I say is too funny or smooth in the sense that the girl "feels" like they are getting picked up. I need to tone that shit and become more genuine. The funny thing is, a real pick up should never "feel" like a pick up from the girls perspective. It should feel natural and organic. The girl should just be like "it just happened, I didn't see it coming". Part of game is that you have to come across being normal... especially during comfort and rapport stages. When you don't get results its very sad and depressing. I went out with a wing who was 5'5, decent guy, very cool and sociable, but he has a problem of getting into the platonic friend zone. He went back to the hotel early in Vegas, and you can feel the sadness and stress. I had to cheer him up and tell him not to quit. He literally asked me if this really works. He asks me whether someone who's not tall and ripped can get girls.... When you don't get results, you start doubting yourself and the process. A 4-5 year journey is not for the weak and lazy. You will have months of getting nowhere and you really have to go on faith and keep pushing. Its only for the guys that want it bad enough. 5'5 doods can get laid... often..... fact  side note on being short... I'm 5'4 myself. One, just buy a pair of shoes with like ~2-3 inches on them... no1 will notice in a club and getting to like 5'7 is MILES better than 5'4. Al Pacino does it, so does Tom Cruise... its nbd. Also I try and do most of my game sitting when possible (mitigates my height and my lack of dance moves TT) But yea at the end of the day, anything below 5'7 is a handicap; Tall people just have it easier in life. And you have to pick your targets as a short guy, go for short girls... a girl whos 5'0 can't really feel the difference between 5'5 and 5'7 the way a 5'5 girl would. Also, That's good you realize you come across as a "player" squattin.... you even do in your posts.,.. which is why ppl think you're trolling half the time lol. And yea for some reason ladies hate knowing they got picked up, my buddy has the same kinda persona as you and has a lot of trouble getting second dates for that reason. | ||
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beg
991 Posts
On March 10 2012 11:50 stokes17 wrote: 5'5 doods can get laid... often..... fact side note on being short... I'm 5'4 myself. One, just buy a pair of shoes with like ~2-3 inches on them... no1 will notice in a club and getting to like 5'7 is MILES better than 5'4. Al Pacino does it, so does Tom Cruise... its nbd. Also I try and do most of my game sitting when possible (mitigates my height and my lack of dance moves TT) But yea at the end of the day, anything below 5'7 is a handicap; Tall people just have it easier in life. And you have to pick your targets as a short guy, go for short girls... a girl whos 5'0 can't really feel the difference between 5'5 and 5'7 the way a 5'5 girl would. Also, That's good you realize you come across as a "player" squattin.... you even do in your posts.,.. which is why ppl think you're trolling half the time lol. And yea for some reason ladies hate knowing they got picked up, my buddy has the same kinda persona as you and has a lot of trouble getting second dates for that reason. girls never cared for me being short. never never never. when i was feeling cool and was having fun, girls liked me. when i was in doubt and feeling shit, girls didnt like me. i bet i'm about 5'5 myself. i dont know how much that is in meters. i dont care right now. 1.68meters. calculate for yourself. i've had enough hot girls loving me. even if they'd care... you can just go for the small girls. so where's your actual problem? you being too pussy to go for the small girls or tall girls not wanting to fuck you? where's your actual problem? | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On March 10 2012 11:58 beg wrote: girls never cared for me being short. never never never. when i was feeling cool and was having fun, girls liked me. when i was in doubt and feeling shit, girls didnt like me. i bet i'm about 5'5 myself. i dont know how much that is in meters. i dont care right now. 1.68meters. calculate for yourself. i've had enough hot girls loving me. even if they'd care... you can just go for the small girls. so where's your actual problem? you being too pussy to go for the small girls or tall girls not wanting to fuck you? where's your actual problem? Did you miss the post i was quoting? Squattin's buddy was mad depressed cause he feels his height is hanicappin him. I was sympathizing and then giving some ways I've gone about working around my short height. why so hostile man... most guys don't have tons of people wanting to fuck them.... my few tidbits of anecdotal advice are for those people. Mad props that you have good enough social skills/physical appearance/value that you don't even notice your height. I've been in both spots, I've felt like a fucking midget in social situations and it's ruined me... and I've also been on game and honestly couldn't tell the difference between me and my 5'9 wing. But to your question, I have no problem lol | ||
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beg
991 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:04 stokes17 wrote: Did you miss the post i was quoting? Squattin's buddy was mad depressed cause he feels his height is hanicappin him. I was sympathizing and then giving some ways I've gone about working around my short height. why so hostile man... most guys don't have tons of people wanting to fuck them.... my few tidbits of anecdotal advice are for those people. Mad props that you have good enough social skills/physical appearance/value that you don't even notice your height. I've been in both spots, I've felt like a fucking midget in social situations and it's ruined me... and I've also been on game and honestly couldn't tell the difference between me and my 5'9 wing. But to your question, I have no problem lol actually, i'm fat and awkward. but i still dont feel a difference to anyone else. hahaha. i did read squatti's post, but still dont understand why you point me towards it. i just dont like people talkin about "small people wont get laid often. fact". sounds so bullshit to me. even if it was true... why the fuck would you bother with thoughts like that? dont touch that shit. | ||
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
pretty much 100% of the people who were originally desperate to get girls are very intelligent people who if they took some care of their physical hygiene, were well-groomed, and wore clothes that were socially appropriate, then they could get a girl who loved them and who they would have dreamed of dating prior to taking some responsibility to be socially acceptable that and overcoming the paralyzing fear most men experience when they talk to women "approach anxiety or whatever"; beyond that the rest of 'the game' is just ridiculous and could be renamed 'social skills' the manipulative psychological tricks intended to take advantage of women's psychology is pretty much the foundation for what has become known as 'pick-up' and it's devolved so far that it's not unfair to term modern 'pick-up' the ethical equivalent of slipping GHB in a drink (i know style himself reads this thread and i wonder why a guy with the language skills he has is still doing this business) | ||
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Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
most men today get shot down all the time and if you never take the time to get shot down then you'll never build up enough confidence to talk to a woman; women aren't interested in the same things guys are interested in, female brains don't operate like male brains, if you never practice conversation with women then it's no different than a 'southern hick' trying to talk with a classy girl from tokyo | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
I'm not exactly a fantastic looking guy, but I'm decent, and I'm known as "ho-nigga" (this may, or may not reflect on my friends by them calling me this), which basically mean I'm a manwhore. I'm the typical guy that will pull anything I want (to an extent, I'm not going for kim kardashian look alikes). People laugh at me, but it just works. I'm awkward, but I use that to my advantage. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
I am also one of the most gifted because of my natural bantering skills. Serious question: When you masturbate, do you think of women or yourself? Gifted with "natural bantering skills" hahaha... what a mundane thing to be proud of. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:19 Failsafe wrote: (i know style himself reads this thread and i wonder why a guy with the language skills he has is still doing this business) How do you know that? | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On March 10 2012 12:08 beg wrote: actually, i'm fat and awkward. but i still dont feel a difference to anyone else. hahaha. i did read squatti's post, but still dont understand why you point me towards it. i just dont like people talkin about "small people wont get laid often. fact". sounds so bullshit to me. even if it was true... why the fuck would you bother with thoughts like that? dont touch that shit. ooooooooooooooo dood u just mis read me go back and read it. I say "5'5 doods can get laid... often..... fact "... some how you read "small people wont get laid often. fact". so um... you actually agree with me. yippy? | ||
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squattincassanova
United States650 Posts
Every time I post something legit.... it gets flooded by newbies and ignorant people who keep debating the same stupid thing over and over again. Nobody cares if you think PUA is sleazy. Nobody cares if you think all you need is just "confidence" Nobody cares that you're a natural blah blah. Post actual ways to get people laid, or share interesting stories or don't post at all. | ||
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danielrosca
Romania123 Posts
On March 10 2012 15:10 squattincassanova wrote: Post actual ways to get people laid, or share interesting stories or don't post at all. Well, you post neither yet bump this topic every single day. | ||
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