EPTEG launch $10,000 Master's Cup Series League - Page 6
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Circos
United Kingdom115 Posts
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Argolis
Canada211 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
We all love Liquid - that goes without saying, but everything seems understandable | ||
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BrahCJ
Australia659 Posts
On May 02 2011 11:34 lbmaian wrote: I'm fine with the option, as long as it's noted that players in the 3rd timezone region are going to be at a disadvantage. What I said on page 4 handles that... "If you're dedicated to ONE scene, where that single scene is the only source of prize money, thats fine, you should be able to expect an advantage over those teams that are trying to milk three cows at once." Also. Would love to see the end of the "LAG!!!" QQ. | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
On May 02 2011 11:35 Circos wrote: 2v2's, sweet. But why no TL? First page post. "TL was invited, but chose not to participate"- EG.Colbi. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On May 02 2011 10:23 On_Slaught wrote: I am waiting with baited breath for the explanation behind this story lol. Every competition has some tension between accommodating players and minimizing the difficulty of running the tournament. Running good competitions is time consuming and difficult and frustrating so it is absolutely necessary to set limits on accommodating players. One big issue is the server that games are being played on. TL.net, via the TSL, has publicized the best known solution for handling server issues with fairness to the players: For NA vs NA, play on NA, for EU vs EU, play on EU, for KR vs KR, play on KR. For NA vs EU, and NA vs KR, switch between servers for games. For KR vs EU, play all games on NA. Despite leading by example, TL has failed to popularize this solution, as it's apparently too difficult for any other online competition to implement. Well at some point, players have to draw the line. But it's hard to do. The options for the players are playing in a $10k league with unfair conditions or not playing at all. There is not another $10k league that provides fairer conditions and is incompatible with EG's league. So you can conclude very little from European teams' willingness to participate. But I think you might get a little bit of insight into how EG operates: is it good enough for us to pull it off? Yep, ok, all done! It's like the guy in school who is aiming to pass rather than get top marks. It's not failing, but it is what it is. If any guys in charge are reading this now: I'm pretty damn sure you didn't intend to run a $10k team league that Liquid would choose to not participate in. But post your threads and gather your views on teamliquid.net anyway, all while falling pitifully below the standard that teamliquid.net itself sets for running online competitions. I hope the viewers can recognize the difference. I hope more players can find themselves in a position to demand the highest standards rather than saying yes to everything that meets their lowest standards. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
EG MC has 1 team with people on the kOR server and even then it isn't their whole team. Excluding Sen EVERY OTHER PLAYER is from NA/EU which has 10x better connection than korea. Why would the majority (VAST MAJORITY) take a hit to the benefit of TL and it's few players in korea? A NA team hosts a tourney on the NA server where it's casters/teams are mostly located and TL asks for an unreasonable exception and then slanders EG... not your finest moment Tyler. | ||
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
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BrahCJ
Australia659 Posts
On May 02 2011 11:43 Liquid`Tyler wrote: If any guys in charge are reading this now: I'm pretty damn sure you didn't intend to run a $10k team league that Liquid would choose to not participate in. But post your threads and gather your views on teamliquid.net anyway, all while falling pitifully below the standard that teamliquid.net itself sets for running online competitions. I don't know if having the tag "liquid" gives you the right to tell people how a tourney is ran. I feel for you in particular, because you're an American, in America and you can't participate in an American league for cold hard cash. That MUST hurt, and it certainly does suck for you. I still can't agree with giving Liquid the "right of passage" simply because of the liquid title. The way I read this is that Liquid have been caught out, so they've taken their bat and ball, and gone home. Not everything can be done on your terms. To me, I think the decision by EG polarizes the community, and is making people decide on whether they're supporting the NA scene, or if they're in it for the cashola. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
Team Liquid are big names, they would bring alot of viewers into this. Why is it unreasonable to ask for fair conditions of play? EG said no, so Liquid said no - Tyler is obviously venting his frustrations and he has every right to. Nothing he is saying is false. Is alternating servers more fair? Yes - you don't deny this at all, what more can be said? | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
It's disappointing Liquid won't participate but I'll obviously still be watching, good luck with the league. | ||
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ExquisiteRed
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Justanx
United States240 Posts
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BrahCJ
Australia659 Posts
It'd be great to see Australia be "Given the nod" Disclaimer: Yessss, I realise that not all of FXO is Australian, however you can't fault the fact that SEA is where the money is coming from  | ||
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
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SgtPepper
United States568 Posts
On May 02 2011 12:01 Hot_Bid wrote: I think everyone can take it down a notch, let's not stir the pot over something that really doesn't have to be a huge issue. In the end, whether I agree or not, I can at least understand why both Liquid and EG's tournament made the decisions they did. It's disappointing Liquid won't participate but I'll obviously still be watching, good luck with the league. This. Let's not make this a huge controversy. I understand both sides of the argument. I love Liquid but I think iNcontrol has a point (even if he did use the word minority instead of majority). It's frustrating that it didn't work out, but EG and TL both want to promote esports and there's no reason why they have to be enemies. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
How do you determine 'seeding' in this case? The team with the better record? That seems way too situational to be effective, it's like favoring the team that's already favored, in essence. In all honesty, there is no best solution for this problem until Blizzard implements LAN latency/cross-server play. I will add however, that Sen plays from Taiwan and has never once complained about lag. He played almost all the GCPL matches, NASL, FXOpen tournaments, etc. He doesn't complain about the lag, he plays his game and performs well most of the time. He also plays regularly on the NA ladder. Maybe, players in Korea should practice on the NA server to get used to the conditions of playing there if they know they will be playing in tournaments on the NA server. Ultimately, there is no best solution, as I said. There has to be some give. If Liquid is really the only team that would be adversely affected by this rule, then it would be a bit unfair to inconvenience 7 teams to appease 1 team. If Liquid couldn't bend to the requirements, it isn't really fair to turn around and blame the organizers. | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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