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GUFireFlash
United States343 Posts
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ajb293
United States80 Posts
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m2e
United States108 Posts
On April 10 2011 16:29 uSnAmplified wrote: ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off. You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours. from what terran said, ROOT sponsors are provisional at the moment (aka no funding to the team for now and who knows when the funding would of kicked in) therefore, ROOT couldnt afford to fly him out to events. one of the reasons he originally joined a team was to get sponsorship and help to attend events so yeah, that didnt work out. also, catz wanted to charge him to stay at the team house but thats a whole other story. point is, its his right to find a team that hes comfortable and well-compensated in if he and a team both feel his talents and abilities are worth money. if a team is offering him a better deal, better sponsors and offering to pay his plane ticket to events, its his right to jump at the chance to take the opportunity to do so instead of staying in a team that cant afford to fly him out to events and also trying to make HIM pay in order to enter a team house (which is quite funny to say the least, but it seems alot of people ignore this fact thus far. and no, im not trying to bash ROOT in any way shape or form). i really dont understand why people are so quick to jump at him for "clan hopping" when he himself stated he didnt take foreign sc1 clans seriously and its not like any of those clans we're heavily invested in him/his career to begin with. he did his own thing, he practiced with people and moved on, i fail to see how this is BM or rude but whatever. hes still a tremendous talent and in the short time hes played sc2 has proven he has insane potential. as long as they got him under contract (a legally binding contract i assume) and the team meets the standards hes looking for, its a perfect match (hopefully) and it contributes to the growth of the non-korean SC2 scene. as far as his BM in-game's and whatnot goes, yes hes more than a bit mouthy from what ive seen but all of that can eventually be cleaned up and neutralized (even though it seems to be a long standing issue for him). so please, get off the dude's back and realize hes not the first player to move around and wont be the last. players like naniwa have done the same thing yet dont get bashed nearly as hard, so why should this guy be singled out constantly? | ||
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kedinik
United States352 Posts
Is sixjax run by old Brood War friends of his, I guess? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Duoma
United States396 Posts
I don't think the team hopping is really that big a deal as long as he isn't taking the teams resources for his own gains. If it is just changes in clan tags and he is never in a team long enough to be actually sponsored, that isn't really a big deal. Either way, kid is clearly still growing up. To say he will "never change" when he is like 17 years old is kind of short-sighted. | ||
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FenneK
France1231 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
On April 10 2011 16:49 m2e wrote: Its really easy to have no understand of this guy or the concept of loyalty and write him off, but if you followed this guy at all you would understand theirs more to it to what what he says. An interview of him saying that he didnt care does not mean his clan hopping is or was justified. He uses people until they cannot satisfy him and then he leaves, simple as that.from what terran said, ROOT sponsors are provisional at the moment (aka no funding to the team for now and who knows when the funding would of kicked in) therefore, ROOT couldnt afford to fly him out to events. one of the reasons he originally joined a team was to get sponsorship and help to attend events so yeah, that didnt work out. also, catz wanted to charge him to stay at the team house but thats a whole other story. point is, its his right to find a team that hes comfortable and well-compensated in if he and a team both feel his talents and abilities are worth money. if a team is offering him a better deal, better sponsors and offering to pay his plane ticket to events, its his right to jump at the chance to take the opportunity to do so instead of staying in a team that cant afford to fly him out to events and also trying to make HIM pay in order to enter a team house (which is quite funny to say the least, but it seems alot of people ignore this fact thus far. and no, im not trying to bash ROOT in any way shape or form). i really dont understand why people are so quick to jump at him for "clan hopping" when he himself stated he didnt take foreign sc1 clans seriously and its not like any of those clans we're heavily invested in him/his career to begin with. he did his own thing, he practiced with people and moved on, i fail to see how this is BM or rude but whatever. hes still a tremendous talent and in the short time hes played sc2 has proven he has insane potential. as long as they got him under contract (a legally binding contract i assume) and the team meets the standards hes looking for, its a perfect match (hopefully) and it contributes to the growth of the non-korean SC2 scene. as far as his BM in-game's and whatnot goes, yes hes more than a bit mouthy from what ive seen but all of that can eventually be cleaned up and neutralized (even though it seems to be a long standing issue for him). so please, get off the dude's back and realize hes not the first player to move around and wont be the last. players like naniwa have done the same thing yet dont get bashed nearly as hard, so why should this guy be singled out constantly? Also if you were informed you would know his comments were lies (who would have thought), ROOT had the ability to pay him but didnt for good reasons. On April 08 2011 04:10 CatZ.root wrote: The fact is we could offer you the same deal or somewhat of a better deal than the team you're joining which I won't disclose is offering you, but I talked to drew and we decided its not worth it rewarding you at all, while we have teammates and friends who have been with us for over a year and clearly deserve sponsorship more than someone who joined us what, a month ago? You lack respect, and you just copy koreans, you'll be a great player no doubt... but if you can't think for yourself you have a cap we try to avoid in the team. Its a shame, good luck in the future Juan. I'm glad all of your effort of playing this game for 1 month is about to pay off, and im also relieved we won't have to deal with you to be honest, you're full of good intentions, and you're a nice guy, but you're def missing some screws. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
And when Terran joined Root, he knew that Root did not have a sponsor. If money was so important to him, then why join root in the first place? It seems like he was trying to use Root as practice partners just like he did with All4One. Well, people do change. Naniwa has been the biggest success story so far and seems like he is pretty well settled now. So, Terran might also. It is not an encouraging sign though if a guy expect to be paid for future efforts instead of being rewarded for his past and present effort. | ||
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
On April 10 2011 16:47 ajb293 wrote: Such a poor decision coming from a man like Artosis. This guy's skill is way overrated compared to other terran's already on the scene or up and coming. Put it along side his piss poor attitude and behavior and you have absolutely nothing worthwhile on your team. This is purely a one sided relationship. Hope you come to realize this sooner then later Artosis, people don't change unless they want too. Name one up and coming terran with sjTerran's skill? There aren't any outside of Korea. | ||
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JasperGrimm
Canada100 Posts
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manicshock
Canada741 Posts
If he changes he changes like Naniwa and most other progamers (except maybe IdrA only his is a following much more so then a detriment) who were "immature" at some point. He seems very predictable to me, which doesn't speak well for his future as a progamer imo. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On April 10 2011 17:07 Incanus wrote: Name one up and coming terran with sjTerran's skill? There aren't any outside of Korea. Though I agree with you, I feel like you can't make that statement quite yet. What results has he shown in SC2 other than ladder? Even PiQLiQ has been #1 on the ladder. | ||
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m2e
United States108 Posts
On April 10 2011 17:01 uSnAmplified wrote: Its really to have no understand of this guy or the concept of loyalty and write him off, but if you followed this guy at all you would understand theirs more to it to what what he says. An interview of him saying that he didnt care does not mean his clan hopping is or was justified. He uses people until they cannot satisfy him and then he leaves, simple as that. Also if you were informed you would know his comments were lies ( who would have though), ROOT had the ability to pay him but didnt for good reasons. im sorry but what does him leaving sc1 clans that are non-contributors to his success have to do with his sc2 career? he was an online practice partner for hite sparkyz and fufilled that commitment without much issue and really was his only legit contributor to his sc1 career path. as far as using people, how so? did they pay him in order to train with him, did they provide him with amazing benefits, sponsorship something that he couldnt of obtained on his own if he so chose to do so? no, he simply trained with teams and moved on after he decided it was time to do so. any reason he had for switching clans or moving on are his reasons and his reasons only, not for anyone else to decide or interpret. as far as ROOT being able to pay i dont see how thats possible considering the current sponsors they have arent funding the team as of right now. so are catz/drewbie paying players out of pocket? i highly doubt it considering they're trying to collect rent from anyone who wants to move into the "team house". maybe down the line the sponsorship would of kicked in and they could of started actually paying players, but be realistic for a minute, if they can afford to fly players out to tournaments and are trying to collect rent from anyone who wants to enter the team house then where is this money coming from if none of their sponsors are funding the team currently? i think its safe to say both sides are hiding something here, but im inclined to believe that ROOT isint paying anyones salary as of right now, maybe when the sponsors kick in? sure, but as of right now no. point is, its his right to move on and do what he wants, if theres a team out there better suited to fit his needs then its his right to take the opportunity to pursue his goal as a paid professional gamer. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
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m2e
United States108 Posts
On April 10 2011 17:12 YoiChiBow wrote: Though I agree with you, I feel like you can't make that statement quite yet. What results has he shown in SC2 other than ladder? Even PiQLiQ has been #1 on the ladder. hes no slouch who just randomly appeared on the starcraft scene. he was a practice partner for the hite sparkyz team in sc1 and was almost picked up to be a fulltime player for them if i recall correctly. he also has a great understanding of sc1 with insane macro/micro abilities from sc1 which transition amazingly well into sc2. he hasnt shown much aside from dominating the NA ladder but the pedigree and know-how is there and thats what teams are looking for and can build upon. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On April 10 2011 15:51 Eleaven wrote: He hopped for money, he's now receiving money, as a professional gamer, or aiming to become one, it makes sense to try to get into a team that can keep you playing 8+ hours a day and still able to afford food. dude he's 17 and live with his parents, he won't starve ... | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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