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Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 10 2011 07:28 GMT
#101
Oh lawd, Kitty? LOL.
GLHF Artosis.
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
April 10 2011 07:28 GMT
#102
On April 10 2011 15:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
hope you're right about this, at which point do teams start to care about past behavior vs skill?


With the success of Naniwa, I'd say no one cares that much anymore, at least right now.
CrayonKing
Profile Joined August 2010
Cambodia124 Posts
April 10 2011 07:29 GMT
#103
Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
April 10 2011 07:29 GMT
#104
On April 10 2011 16:23 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:21 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote:
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.

Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.

But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.



AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?

It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.

You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 10 2011 07:30 GMT
#105
On April 10 2011 16:29 CrayonKing wrote:
Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?


That and sponsored teams can send you too events so you don't have to pay out of your own pocket (at least the full price).
When I think of something else, something will go here
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
April 10 2011 07:30 GMT
#106
It makes sense since artosis loved terran for a while now. GL there hope he sticks around
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
April 10 2011 07:30 GMT
#107
On April 10 2011 16:30 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:29 CrayonKing wrote:
Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?


That and sponsored teams can send you too events so you don't have to pay out of your own pocket (at least the full price).


cant even get in nasl without sponsor
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
shavi
Profile Joined July 2010
United States127 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 07:33:10
April 10 2011 07:32 GMT
#108
On April 10 2011 16:29 CrayonKing wrote:
Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?


In general it's to have solid practice partners are a team name backing you. For this specific case, it's more about the sponsorship. CatZ said that GosITerran hadn't warranted enough for a sponsorship from ROOT yet, and sixjax apparently offered it.

I, for one, see nothing wrong with Terran's "team hopping" so far in SC2 (ONE -> ROOT -> sixjax). If sixjax is willing to send him to events and ROOT wasn't (I'm sure they had legit reasons, not trying to bag on ROOT here), then it seems the kid made the right move.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 10 2011 07:32 GMT
#109
3 months tops.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
April 10 2011 07:34 GMT
#110
On April 10 2011 16:29 uSnAmplified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:23 YoiChiBow wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:21 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote:
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.

Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.

But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.



AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?

It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.

You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.


It's a business. afaik ROOT does not pay for its players to go to tournaments such as MLG. I do not see anything wrong for him to move onto a sponsored team that is willing to dish out the money for him to attend these live events and tournaments. Sure it might be a little fucked up that he doesn't have any loyalty to his peers and teammates, but at the end of the day can anyone truly blame him for his decision?
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Herper
Profile Joined January 2011
501 Posts
April 10 2011 07:34 GMT
#111
I'd say 4 months
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 07:37:06
April 10 2011 07:35 GMT
#112
--- Nuked ---
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
April 10 2011 07:35 GMT
#113
uhhh anyone wanna fill me in on this guy's history? did he do something...weird?
WooChop
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States120 Posts
April 10 2011 07:36 GMT
#114
On April 10 2011 16:23 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:21 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote:
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.

Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.

But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.



AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?


He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.

On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote:
"I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?


He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.

For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).

I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 07:41:23
April 10 2011 07:40 GMT
#115
On April 10 2011 16:36 WooChop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:23 YoiChiBow wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:21 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote:
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.

Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.

But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.



AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?


He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote:
"I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?


He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.

For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).

I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.



I really doubt that from what he posted in that thread stating that it was just being trial sponsors that only advertised but did not pay the player for tournament trips. If they were true sponsors, than why did qxc jump ship as well for FXO?
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
April 10 2011 07:41 GMT
#116
On April 10 2011 16:35 JoeSchmoe wrote:
uhhh anyone wanna fill me in on this guy's history? did he do something...weird?


He's a notorious clan-hopper, started way back during the BW days.
We make signature, then defense it.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 10 2011 07:42 GMT
#117
On April 10 2011 15:33 blade55555 wrote:
I have a feeling he'll stay in this one, unless some other clan offers him a better deal .

Should be interesting


I was going to say that predicting he stays is the equivalent of thinking Sheth will show up to a LAN. you always get disappointed. But that joke can't apply anymore now that he's been to an MLG
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
April 10 2011 07:42 GMT
#118
On April 10 2011 16:40 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:36 WooChop wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:23 YoiChiBow wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:21 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote:
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.

Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.

But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.



AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?


He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.

On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote:
"I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?


He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.

For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).

I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.



I really doubt that from what he posted in that thread stating that it was just being trial sponsors that only advertised but did not pay the player for tournament trips. If they were true sponsors, than why did qxc jump ship as well for FXO?
I think catz said they did have salaries to senior members, and QXC left before they were sponsored.
~
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
April 10 2011 07:42 GMT
#119
On April 10 2011 16:34 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:29 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:23 YoiChiBow wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:21 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote:
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.

Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.

But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.



AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?

It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.

You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.


It's a business. afaik ROOT does not pay for its players to go to tournaments such as MLG. I do not see anything wrong for him to move onto a sponsored team that is willing to dish out the money for him to attend these live events and tournaments. Sure it might be a little fucked up that he doesn't have any loyalty to his peers and teammates, but at the end of the day can anyone truly blame him for his decision?


I wouldn't bother trying to argue, tried that in another thread....

GL Artosis + Juan, hope this team can offer you what you want.
WooChop
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States120 Posts
April 10 2011 07:43 GMT
#120
On April 10 2011 16:40 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:36 WooChop wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:23 YoiChiBow wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:21 uSnAmplified wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote:
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.

Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.

But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.



AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?


He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.

On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote:
"I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?


He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.

For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).

I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.



I really doubt that from what he posted in that thread stating that it was just being trial sponsors that only advertised but did not pay the player for tournament trips. If they were true sponsors, than why did qxc jumpship as well for FXO?


I think I remember him saying that he kind of needed the money now. He said that CatZ kept saying that they were close to sponsors, and when QXC decided to go to FXO, the three big sponsors signed with ROOT.

Even if they are just trial sponsors, judging from ROOT's performance, I don't think that they'll all bail on ROOT.
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