evoli: Terran, I think it’s safe to say that you’ve had quite the controversial Starcraft career. While most agree that you’re an exceptionally talented and hardworking player, you tend to have a knack at stirring up drama wherever you go. In Broodwar you were notorious for your indecision with teams and your reputation has followed you as you switched to Starcraft 2. Do you care to comment on the community’s perception of you? Do you think the community’s skepticism of your intentions as a player is warranted or do you think that there is a misunderstanding somewhere?
Terran: Honestly, I clan hopped a lot because I didn't care about the foreign scene in Broodwar. I didn't take it seriously, so it was just something that was fun for me to do. I was part of a Korean called GosI for a while. We practiced all the time in addition to playing iCCup. My only real dream then was to go to Korea for Broodwar. That didn't work out so well.
I feel like the SC2 community is being way too harsh, especially after I left ROOT. I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in. Helping me do this full time and helping me travel is something that Sixjaxgaming is willing to do for me. ^^
On April 10 2011 15:32 KawaiiRice wrote: i knew this was gonna happen lol unless juan's contract is shorter than normal, i predict he hops in a year :O
"I’ve been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I’ve been planning to put in."
Yes. You should, with your bad manner and lack of work thus far, be rewarded for your PLANS to work at it. GL Artosis.
Well, looking at SixJaxs member page, there are 20 people already in the SC2 Roster, I guess at that point you just throw caution to the wind and add anyone in
what an interesting first recruit. You'd think Artosis would go for someone who is a little more stable and proven, but apparently he's really swinging for the fences on this one.
I'll give it 2 months, and if it lasts longer than that the end of the world is near.
On April 10 2011 15:37 zergskin wrote: i honestly dont think anyone read the interview based on the posts in here
lol, i mean I read the interview, and where I'm from you don't get rewarded based on your plans. Like I plan to start my own company that will one day be a fortune 500, so give me a million dollars and I promise you'll get a huge roi.
I remember him from TSL back in the days but wasn't aware he's got quite the reputation. He wasn't that great of a player from bw although he is very young.
Still, I hope he sticks around because Artosis obviously has so much passion I would hate it if he just left the team for no good reason.
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Hahahaha so true...
Why would anyone still give him a shot is beyond me. He won't get any respect from me no matter how well he plays from now on. Don't even care Won't be following him nor his games ^^
On April 10 2011 15:44 Dommk wrote: Well, looking at SixJaxs ladder, there 20 people already in the SC2 Roster, I guess at that point you just throw caution to the wind and add anyone in
That's their old roster. I think right now it's only Artosis, DDE, ViBE, Mihai, Cocoa and now Terran
On April 10 2011 15:40 Mercadia wrote: "I’ve been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I’ve been planning to put in."
Yes. You should, with your bad manner and lack of work thus far, be rewarded for your PLANS to work at it. GL Artosis.
That was the part I was most confused about, considering he hasn't even been playing the game the whole time since it came out I'm wondering why he feels so entitled to financial assistance from sponsors.
O_O I feel sorry for the Sixjax org, they're probably wasting good money on a player that's not going to give them anything. I've known Juan just as long or longer than Artosis and he won't change. Really unfortunate.
Funny how bout 70% of the people in the last thread foresaw how he'd end up in Sixjax. Well, he surely is sick good, now we can only hope he'll stick around. If he does, he'll be a great pillar for Sixjax, especially being mentored by Artosis
On April 10 2011 15:47 Xeris wrote: O_O I feel sorry for the Sixjax org, they're probably wasting good money on a player that's not going to give them anything. I've known Juan just as long or longer than Artosis and he won't change. Really unfortunate.
He hopped for money, he's now receiving money, as a professional gamer, or aiming to become one, it makes sense to try to get into a team that can keep you playing 8+ hours a day and still able to afford food.
On April 10 2011 15:40 Mercadia wrote: "I’ve been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I’ve been planning to put in."
Yes. You should, with your bad manner and lack of work thus far, be rewarded for your PLANS to work at it. GL Artosis.
Exactly. I'm not too sure about this one, but I'll trust Artosis I guess.. GL
On March 06 2011 13:27 manicshock wrote: I doubt he'll stay in ROOT. It'll probably be for a month or two, until he feels he's gotten everything he can out of them and then jump ship.
I was pretty close the first time at 5 weeks vs 4-8. Wonder if he's on a contract or not. I want to say he'll stick for 3 months this time, or until his contract ends.
I find these bet comments funny; Artosis isn't picking up players for a clan. I bet he lasts as long as his contract is for, who wants to take me up on that?
I wish everyone the best in Starcraft II future and I know no matter where people fall they will do it for the same reason they all love the eSports community... I hope
I think if this guys main motivation is money, and he's getting it, he'll likely stay. The question will be is if his past transgressions are past or if he'll carry them into creating problems at sixjax or not.
Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins and won't take them so lightly anymore.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
I know nothing of this guy, but there sure is a lot of hate for him. He's either incredibly good and ppl are getting jealous/nervous or he's a complete asshole. I hope it's the former and not the latter.
Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
On April 10 2011 16:29 CrayonKing wrote: Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?
That and sponsored teams can send you too events so you don't have to pay out of your own pocket (at least the full price).
On April 10 2011 16:29 CrayonKing wrote: Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?
That and sponsored teams can send you too events so you don't have to pay out of your own pocket (at least the full price).
On April 10 2011 16:29 CrayonKing wrote: Can someone explain why Teams are so important in sc2? Is it for the mainly for the practice and the fact you have teammates you can always play against/discuss sc2?
In general it's to have solid practice partners are a team name backing you. For this specific case, it's more about the sponsorship. CatZ said that GosITerran hadn't warranted enough for a sponsorship from ROOT yet, and sixjax apparently offered it.
I, for one, see nothing wrong with Terran's "team hopping" so far in SC2 (ONE -> ROOT -> sixjax). If sixjax is willing to send him to events and ROOT wasn't (I'm sure they had legit reasons, not trying to bag on ROOT here), then it seems the kid made the right move.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
It's a business. afaik ROOT does not pay for its players to go to tournaments such as MLG. I do not see anything wrong for him to move onto a sponsored team that is willing to dish out the money for him to attend these live events and tournaments. Sure it might be a little fucked up that he doesn't have any loyalty to his peers and teammates, but at the end of the day can anyone truly blame him for his decision?
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.
On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote: "I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?
He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.
For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).
I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.
On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote: "I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?
He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.
For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).
I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.
I really doubt that from what he posted in that thread stating that it was just being trial sponsors that only advertised but did not pay the player for tournament trips. If they were true sponsors, than why did qxc jump ship as well for FXO?
On April 10 2011 15:33 blade55555 wrote: I have a feeling he'll stay in this one, unless some other clan offers him a better deal .
Should be interesting
I was going to say that predicting he stays is the equivalent of thinking Sheth will show up to a LAN. you always get disappointed. But that joke can't apply anymore now that he's been to an MLG
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.
On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote: "I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?
He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.
For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).
I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.
I really doubt that from what he posted in that thread stating that it was just being trial sponsors that only advertised but did not pay the player for tournament trips. If they were true sponsors, than why did qxc jump ship as well for FXO?
I think catz said they did have salaries to senior members, and QXC left before they were sponsored.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
It's a business. afaik ROOT does not pay for its players to go to tournaments such as MLG. I do not see anything wrong for him to move onto a sponsored team that is willing to dish out the money for him to attend these live events and tournaments. Sure it might be a little fucked up that he doesn't have any loyalty to his peers and teammates, but at the end of the day can anyone truly blame him for his decision?
I wouldn't bother trying to argue, tried that in another thread....
GL Artosis + Juan, hope this team can offer you what you want.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.
On April 10 2011 15:43 CrunchtimeSC wrote: "I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in" --He serious?
He is good, but he needs to make a bigger name for himself in the SC2 scene. If he was going to get sponsored just because of a high ladder ranking, why not PiQLiQ? Probably a stupid argument, but it expresses my general point.
For only playing the game for about 3-4 months, he has showed insane potential and skill. But again, no one had heard of him. He hadn't made much noise in the open tournaments. And it seemed that ROOT wanted to work out some stuff with him before using him too heavily in clan related things (I recall CatZ explaining some basic things about SC2 units that Kitty didn't know when he first joined).
I do hope that he eventually settles down (and calms down). The amount he could accomplish once he really gets integrated with a team and trusts them (they trust him) is astounding. So, good luck to Kitty/Princess/Brittney/Terran, I hope you do well, but you have more to work on than just your game.
I really doubt that from what he posted in that thread stating that it was just being trial sponsors that only advertised but did not pay the player for tournament trips. If they were true sponsors, than why did qxc jumpship as well for FXO?
I think I remember him saying that he kind of needed the money now. He said that CatZ kept saying that they were close to sponsors, and when QXC decided to go to FXO, the three big sponsors signed with ROOT.
Even if they are just trial sponsors, judging from ROOT's performance, I don't think that they'll all bail on ROOT.
Such a poor decision coming from a man like Artosis. This guy's skill is way overrated compared to other terran's already on the scene or up and coming. Put it along side his piss poor attitude and behavior and you have absolutely nothing worthwhile on your team. This is purely a one sided relationship. Hope you come to realize this sooner then later Artosis, people don't change unless they want too.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
from what terran said, ROOT sponsors are provisional at the moment (aka no funding to the team for now and who knows when the funding would of kicked in) therefore, ROOT couldnt afford to fly him out to events. one of the reasons he originally joined a team was to get sponsorship and help to attend events so yeah, that didnt work out. also, catz wanted to charge him to stay at the team house but thats a whole other story.
point is, its his right to find a team that hes comfortable and well-compensated in if he and a team both feel his talents and abilities are worth money. if a team is offering him a better deal, better sponsors and offering to pay his plane ticket to events, its his right to jump at the chance to take the opportunity to do so instead of staying in a team that cant afford to fly him out to events and also trying to make HIM pay in order to enter a team house (which is quite funny to say the least, but it seems alot of people ignore this fact thus far. and no, im not trying to bash ROOT in any way shape or form).
i really dont understand why people are so quick to jump at him for "clan hopping" when he himself stated he didnt take foreign sc1 clans seriously and its not like any of those clans we're heavily invested in him/his career to begin with. he did his own thing, he practiced with people and moved on, i fail to see how this is BM or rude but whatever. hes still a tremendous talent and in the short time hes played sc2 has proven he has insane potential. as long as they got him under contract (a legally binding contract i assume) and the team meets the standards hes looking for, its a perfect match (hopefully) and it contributes to the growth of the non-korean SC2 scene.
as far as his BM in-game's and whatnot goes, yes hes more than a bit mouthy from what ive seen but all of that can eventually be cleaned up and neutralized (even though it seems to be a long standing issue for him). so please, get off the dude's back and realize hes not the first player to move around and wont be the last. players like naniwa have done the same thing yet dont get bashed nearly as hard, so why should this guy be singled out constantly?
It seemed weird to me that Artosis would immediately become the captain of a team as soon as he joins it, and then start making important decisions like this.
Is sixjax run by old Brood War friends of his, I guess?
GL to Sixjax with this. Hopefully given actual monetary sponsorship there will be some sense of team loyalty. I can the sense terran and Artosis have a relationship of mutual respect so hopefully is anyone can "tame" him, it will be artosis.
I don't think the team hopping is really that big a deal as long as he isn't taking the teams resources for his own gains. If it is just changes in clan tags and he is never in a team long enough to be actually sponsored, that isn't really a big deal. Either way, kid is clearly still growing up. To say he will "never change" when he is like 17 years old is kind of short-sighted.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
from what terran said, ROOT sponsors are provisional at the moment (aka no funding to the team for now and who knows when the funding would of kicked in) therefore, ROOT couldnt afford to fly him out to events. one of the reasons he originally joined a team was to get sponsorship and help to attend events so yeah, that didnt work out. also, catz wanted to charge him to stay at the team house but thats a whole other story.
point is, its his right to find a team that hes comfortable and well-compensated in if he and a team both feel his talents and abilities are worth money. if a team is offering him a better deal, better sponsors and offering to pay his plane ticket to events, its his right to jump at the chance to take the opportunity to do so instead of staying in a team that cant afford to fly him out to events and also trying to make HIM pay in order to enter a team house (which is quite funny to say the least, but it seems alot of people ignore this fact thus far. and no, im not trying to bash ROOT in any way shape or form).
i really dont understand why people are so quick to jump at him for "clan hopping" when he himself stated he didnt take foreign sc1 clans seriously and its not like any of those clans we're heavily invested in him/his career to begin with. he did his own thing, he practiced with people and moved on, i fail to see how this is BM or rude but whatever. hes still a tremendous talent and in the short time hes played sc2 has proven he has insane potential. as long as they got him under contract (a legally binding contract i assume) and the team meets the standards hes looking for, its a perfect match (hopefully) and it contributes to the growth of the non-korean SC2 scene.
as far as his BM in-game's and whatnot goes, yes hes more than a bit mouthy from what ive seen but all of that can eventually be cleaned up and neutralized (even though it seems to be a long standing issue for him). so please, get off the dude's back and realize hes not the first player to move around and wont be the last. players like naniwa have done the same thing yet dont get bashed nearly as hard, so why should this guy be singled out constantly?
Its really easy to have no understand of this guy or the concept of loyalty and write him off, but if you followed this guy at all you would understand theirs more to it to what what he says. An interview of him saying that he didnt care does not mean his clan hopping is or was justified. He uses people until they cannot satisfy him and then he leaves, simple as that.
Also if you were informed you would know his comments were lies (who would have thought), ROOT had the ability to pay him but didnt for good reasons.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
The fact is we could offer you the same deal or somewhat of a better deal than the team you're joining which I won't disclose is offering you, but I talked to drew and we decided its not worth it rewarding you at all, while we have teammates and friends who have been with us for over a year and clearly deserve sponsorship more than someone who joined us what, a month ago?
You lack respect, and you just copy koreans, you'll be a great player no doubt... but if you can't think for yourself you have a cap we try to avoid in the team. Its a shame, good luck in the future Juan.
I'm glad all of your effort of playing this game for 1 month is about to pay off, and im also relieved we won't have to deal with you to be honest, you're full of good intentions, and you're a nice guy, but you're def missing some screws.
Catz said he could have offered contract that is worth more than what other teams are offering him just that he said it would not be fair to have Terran have the same salaries as the other senior members (drewbie,kiwi,slush) when he has been only there for a while.
And when Terran joined Root, he knew that Root did not have a sponsor. If money was so important to him, then why join root in the first place? It seems like he was trying to use Root as practice partners just like he did with All4One.
Well, people do change. Naniwa has been the biggest success story so far and seems like he is pretty well settled now. So, Terran might also. It is not an encouraging sign though if a guy expect to be paid for future efforts instead of being rewarded for his past and present effort.
If I were to make a guess, I'd say he's just looking for the team with the best connections so that he can keep improving. That's why he always practiced with the Koreans in BW. There's no one with better SC2 connections than Artosis, so I can see this working out at least for the 6 months he has planned.
On April 10 2011 16:47 ajb293 wrote: Such a poor decision coming from a man like Artosis. This guy's skill is way overrated compared to other terran's already on the scene or up and coming. Put it along side his piss poor attitude and behavior and you have absolutely nothing worthwhile on your team. This is purely a one sided relationship. Hope you come to realize this sooner then later Artosis, people don't change unless they want too.
Name one up and coming terran with sjTerran's skill? There aren't any outside of Korea.
I never heard of the guy, and worked entirely off clan jumping in BW. People do change, but it didn't and has not seemed to be the case. Estimation of a month for practice time, he makes it to the top of the ladder. Move on to this team where he's sponsored. He goes to tournaments, does well, oh look X team has an opening and they've got that wallet open wide (Guessing 3 months).
If he changes he changes like Naniwa and most other progamers (except maybe IdrA only his is a following much more so then a detriment) who were "immature" at some point. He seems very predictable to me, which doesn't speak well for his future as a progamer imo.
On April 10 2011 17:07 Incanus wrote: Name one up and coming terran with sjTerran's skill? There aren't any outside of Korea.
Though I agree with you, I feel like you can't make that statement quite yet. What results has he shown in SC2 other than ladder? Even PiQLiQ has been #1 on the ladder.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
from what terran said, ROOT sponsors are provisional at the moment (aka no funding to the team for now and who knows when the funding would of kicked in) therefore, ROOT couldnt afford to fly him out to events. one of the reasons he originally joined a team was to get sponsorship and help to attend events so yeah, that didnt work out. also, catz wanted to charge him to stay at the team house but thats a whole other story.
point is, its his right to find a team that hes comfortable and well-compensated in if he and a team both feel his talents and abilities are worth money. if a team is offering him a better deal, better sponsors and offering to pay his plane ticket to events, its his right to jump at the chance to take the opportunity to do so instead of staying in a team that cant afford to fly him out to events and also trying to make HIM pay in order to enter a team house (which is quite funny to say the least, but it seems alot of people ignore this fact thus far. and no, im not trying to bash ROOT in any way shape or form).
i really dont understand why people are so quick to jump at him for "clan hopping" when he himself stated he didnt take foreign sc1 clans seriously and its not like any of those clans we're heavily invested in him/his career to begin with. he did his own thing, he practiced with people and moved on, i fail to see how this is BM or rude but whatever. hes still a tremendous talent and in the short time hes played sc2 has proven he has insane potential. as long as they got him under contract (a legally binding contract i assume) and the team meets the standards hes looking for, its a perfect match (hopefully) and it contributes to the growth of the non-korean SC2 scene.
as far as his BM in-game's and whatnot goes, yes hes more than a bit mouthy from what ive seen but all of that can eventually be cleaned up and neutralized (even though it seems to be a long standing issue for him). so please, get off the dude's back and realize hes not the first player to move around and wont be the last. players like naniwa have done the same thing yet dont get bashed nearly as hard, so why should this guy be singled out constantly?
Its really to have no understand of this guy or the concept of loyalty and write him off, but if you followed this guy at all you would understand theirs more to it to what what he says. An interview of him saying that he didnt care does not mean his clan hopping is or was justified. He uses people until they cannot satisfy him and then he leaves, simple as that.
Also if you were informed you would know his comments were lies ( who would have though), ROOT had the ability to pay him but didnt for good reasons.
On April 07 2011 19:42 Gositerran wrote: the fact that root sponsors are only trial sponsors aka advertise get nothing back i have deal with taht in the back why would i deal with it again when they obv wont support the team perhaps only IGN with something i cant do anything so i rather move to another team that there will be news soon 2-5 days which team i will be joining where i will actually get something of my effort and not deal with what my self call fake sponsors except for IGN
The fact is we could offer you the same deal or somewhat of a better deal than the team you're joining which I won't disclose is offering you, but I talked to drew and we decided its not worth it rewarding you at all, while we have teammates and friends who have been with us for over a year and clearly deserve sponsorship more than someone who joined us what, a month ago?
You lack respect, and you just copy koreans, you'll be a great player no doubt... but if you can't think for yourself you have a cap we try to avoid in the team. Its a shame, good luck in the future Juan.
I'm glad all of your effort of playing this game for 1 month is about to pay off, and im also relieved we won't have to deal with you to be honest, you're full of good intentions, and you're a nice guy, but you're def missing some screws.
im sorry but what does him leaving sc1 clans that are non-contributors to his success have to do with his sc2 career? he was an online practice partner for hite sparkyz and fufilled that commitment without much issue and really was his only legit contributor to his sc1 career path.
as far as using people, how so? did they pay him in order to train with him, did they provide him with amazing benefits, sponsorship something that he couldnt of obtained on his own if he so chose to do so? no, he simply trained with teams and moved on after he decided it was time to do so. any reason he had for switching clans or moving on are his reasons and his reasons only, not for anyone else to decide or interpret.
as far as ROOT being able to pay i dont see how thats possible considering the current sponsors they have arent funding the team as of right now. so are catz/drewbie paying players out of pocket? i highly doubt it considering they're trying to collect rent from anyone who wants to move into the "team house". maybe down the line the sponsorship would of kicked in and they could of started actually paying players, but be realistic for a minute, if they can afford to fly players out to tournaments and are trying to collect rent from anyone who wants to enter the team house then where is this money coming from if none of their sponsors are funding the team currently? i think its safe to say both sides are hiding something here, but im inclined to believe that ROOT isint paying anyones salary as of right now, maybe when the sponsors kick in? sure, but as of right now no.
point is, its his right to move on and do what he wants, if theres a team out there better suited to fit his needs then its his right to take the opportunity to pursue his goal as a paid professional gamer.
On April 10 2011 17:07 Incanus wrote: Name one up and coming terran with sjTerran's skill? There aren't any outside of Korea.
Though I agree with you, I feel like you can't make that statement quite yet. What results has he shown in SC2 other than ladder? Even PiQLiQ has been #1 on the ladder.
hes no slouch who just randomly appeared on the starcraft scene. he was a practice partner for the hite sparkyz team in sc1 and was almost picked up to be a fulltime player for them if i recall correctly. he also has a great understanding of sc1 with insane macro/micro abilities from sc1 which transition amazingly well into sc2. he hasnt shown much aside from dominating the NA ladder but the pedigree and know-how is there and thats what teams are looking for and can build upon.
On April 10 2011 15:51 Eleaven wrote: He hopped for money, he's now receiving money, as a professional gamer, or aiming to become one, it makes sense to try to get into a team that can keep you playing 8+ hours a day and still able to afford food.
dude he's 17 and live with his parents, he won't starve ...
hope everything goes ok with juan joining sixjax, this was a heavy influence in my decision to part ways with the team. Wish everyone at sixjax luck, and wish all the best to juan O_o
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
This made my night lol. On a serious note im surprised that kitty or whichever name hes going by actually got picked up by artosis after the bs that happend with root, i dont think he deserves this at all but maybe artosis knows something we dont...cant wait to see how long this thread goes (especially if he leaves this one too).
On April 10 2011 17:07 Incanus wrote: Name one up and coming terran with sjTerran's skill? There aren't any outside of Korea.
Though I agree with you, I feel like you can't make that statement quite yet. What results has he shown in SC2 other than ladder? Even PiQLiQ has been #1 on the ladder.
hes no slouch who just randomly appeared on the starcraft scene. he was a practice partner for the hite sparkyz team in sc1 and was almost picked up to be a fulltime player for them if i recall correctly. he also has a great understanding of sc1 with insane macro/micro abilities from sc1 which transition amazingly well into sc2. he hasnt shown much aside from dominating the NA ladder but the pedigree and know-how is there and thats what teams are looking for and can build upon.
I know his background in SC1. That is why I specifically said "What results has he shown in SC2".
SC1 skill =/= SC2 skill. Sure a great deal of the skill sets do transfer over but it is not guaranteed and to how much of it actually does transfer over depends entirely on the player. IdrA was by far the best SC1 player in the foreigner scene at the twilight of Broodwar yet he hasn't shown the same dominance in SC2. Yes of course, he's good but its not the same level. Now look at HuK. He was a complete unknown in SC1 and though he was probably skilled, he was definitely not a top tier foreigner. But look now in SC2, he is one of the best protosses if not the best protoss outside of Korea.
It depends entirely on the person's work ethic, game strengths, mentality and skillsets, and a whole list of other variables that determine how much of his SC1 skill will transfer over.
And I did say I do agree with the post that he is skilled.
I can not help but disturb me a bit on how Artosis says he will work personally with Terran and train him. From what I saw on the ROOT streams he like never listen on what they had to say when they were training with him, it was like he got mad when they criticized him when he did stuff bad. How do you work with a guy who can't take criticism?
Well I mean it's kind of like hopping from company to company whenever you can get a decent raise.
Doesn't mean you're a bad person or anything, but it raises some legitimate concerns about whether or not your current employer can trust you to stick around.
lol. artosis is a terran-fanboi! ye, cant say i would expect him to stay longer than a month - but it is artosis. maybe he can change the guy! GL though!
On April 10 2011 17:07 Incanus wrote: Name one up and coming terran with sjTerran's skill? There aren't any outside of Korea.
Though I agree with you, I feel like you can't make that statement quite yet. What results has he shown in SC2 other than ladder? Even PiQLiQ has been #1 on the ladder.
hes no slouch who just randomly appeared on the starcraft scene. he was a practice partner for the hite sparkyz team in sc1 and was almost picked up to be a fulltime player for them if i recall correctly. he also has a great understanding of sc1 with insane macro/micro abilities from sc1 which transition amazingly well into sc2. he hasnt shown much aside from dominating the NA ladder but the pedigree and know-how is there and thats what teams are looking for and can build upon.
I know his background in SC1. That is why I specifically said "What results has he shown in SC2".
SC1 skill =/= SC2 skill. Sure a great deal of the skill sets do transfer over but it is not guaranteed and to how much of it actually does transfer over depends entirely on the player. IdrA was by far the best SC1 player in the foreigner scene at the twilight of Broodwar yet he hasn't shown the same dominance in SC2. Yes of course, he's good but its not the same level. Now look at HuK. He was a complete unknown in SC1 and though he was probably skilled, he was definitely not a top tier foreigner. But look now in SC2, he is one of the best protosses if not the best protoss outside of Korea.
It depends entirely on the person's work ethic, game strengths, mentality and skillsets, and a whole list of other variables that determine how much of his SC1 skill will transfer over.
And I did say I do agree with the post that he is skilled.
you're right, alot factors into how good a player ends up being when the transition does occur. from what everyone has seen SO FAR, gositerran has shown he still has insane mechanics and an insane skill set to go along with a good work ethic. does this mean he will become the best sc2 player outside of korea? chances are no. but does this also mean he will fizzle out in 4-5 months and never be heard from again as long as hes signed to a team? absolutely not. from what we've all seen so far, this guy has only been playing for a very short time and has already shown he can EASILY compete with the "top" NA/EU players. he will only get better as he learns more about sc2.
you have to keep in mind this guy was as close to becoming a pro for a korean team as you could get without actually flying out and living in the team house/competing on tv. his mechanics are as good as it gets and its very safe to assume this guy isint going to fall off the map or become terrible anytime soon as long as he continues to practice and compete.
going to play devils advocate here and congratulate Terran on the switch, and hope he will do well and silence all the disbelievers...and make boss artosis proud
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
I dunno, man -- QXC also left Root because they always "almost" had active sponsors. This guy isn't the only one to complain about Root in that respect.
I don't know him from broodwar or anything, only heard the stories and seen him play a game of sc2. I'll try to touch on the change of mind I expect.
But I feel like Artosis is very much aware of what Gosi is missing to be able to breakthrough so to say. Something like professionalism and behaviour, Artosis is a master of this amongst other things. I also feel like I can expect to say the same about Gosi. I know what recently happened and read many of the comments. I could very well be wrong in thinking this won't be like that, and I can understand completely that those who have witnessed all of it many times before will not be able to have any faith in it. However he is 17 years old and probably soon to be 18. At some point he's gonna change his view from the more teenager style, that can be associated with his behaviour, to a more grown up and professional one. Therefor I hope for him and us, since he has such great potential, he has changed his mindset and truly wants to flourish. It's also possible to strengthen the argument by bringing in some kind of contractual binding, One that is somehow set up as to safeguard Gosi from self sabotage.
Best of luck Gosi! Make it happen, I think you are super talented from what I hear so I would love to see you a lot in the future. And with a captain, coach, mentor and friend in Artosis. You should consider yourself a lucky one
I said in the other thread that people were being too harsh on Juan/Terran for leaving ROOT.
Juan is a high school kid, i.e. without income. For him to play SC2 professionally, i.e. train everyday, it is a much bigger sacrifice for him in terms of education and closing off many career opportunities prematurely.
Given that ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently and did not pay their players to attend tournaments, it meant that the only way for ROOT players to make money out of SC2 was to front their own travel costs and gamble on their chances to win enough at the tournament.
So Juan is pretty much confronted with this: He enjoys SC2 and wants to go pro. However, to do so under ROOT, he has to quit school/sleep, close off many career paths that would have been available if he followed a standard lifestyle, and pay thousands of dollars to attend tournaments with very fierce competition while having no income.
Alternatively, Juan can find a team that actually suits his needs. Every team out there that is aware of the BW scene knows how much crazy potential this guy has, and accordingly, I'm sure he had no shortage of offers going his way.
ROOT, in its former/current sponsorship position, could never have hoped to satisfy what Juan needed to progress his SC2 career. For Juan, it was a good chance to get top tier practice partners and publicity. ROOT only saw potential and was greedy to take the gamble and try to secure Juan, but we can see now that it didn't work.
Anyway, good luck to Juan and sixjax. I'm not sure that sixjax is the team for Juan, but it is certainly a better suited team than ROOT.
On April 10 2011 15:40 Mercadia wrote: "I’ve been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I’ve been planning to put in."
This is another one of the reasons I feel like he's a bad pickup for the team. Best of luck anyways I guess.
On April 10 2011 16:19 YoiChiBow wrote: Why is everyone so harsh? I've been following his situation rather closely since he started to make a splash in SC2 and I don't really have a bad impression of him as of yet.
Like I know he was a clan hopper in SC1, but were there any sponsored/serious foreigner teams back then? I don't know why people are criticizing his past so harshly especially when you consider the stakes. Teams are actually paying him a salary and sending him to live events now. I'm pretty sure this affects how he approaches his commitments to the teams he joins.
But maybe I'm just blind (:
Hes left two teams already as far as i know, has always been a rude clan hopper and hes keeping it up so far in SC2. Im not surprised hes with artosis now, his goal is korea and artosis almost got him their once.
AFAIK He was never sponsored in those teams. Is it a crime to seek a professional team so you can attend live events?
It seems like 90% of the people flaming him are just jumping on the bandwagon that he's "rude" etc. Who isn't rude and bm nowadays? You can find replays of most pros bming in some fashion.
ROOT had the ability to, but he has no loyalty so he never got that funding, ill give you that his first team was a write off.
You can turn a blind eye to it, but hes just using people and moving on to the next best thing, and your opinion on that is rightfully yours.
I dunno, man -- QXC also left Root because they always "almost" had active sponsors. This guy isn't the only one to complain about Root in that respect.
He didn't act ungrateful on the forums or have a huge history of being a dick/clan hopper.
On April 10 2011 17:52 tyCe wrote: I said in the other thread that people were being too harsh on Juan/Terran for leaving ROOT.
Juan is a high school kid, i.e. without income. For him to play SC2 professionally, i.e. train everyday, it is a much bigger sacrifice for him in terms of education and closing off many career opportunities prematurely.
Given that ROOT wasn't sponsored until recently and did not pay their players to attend tournaments, it meant that the only way for ROOT players to make money out of SC2 was to front their own travel costs and gamble on their chances to win enough at the tournament.
So Juan is pretty much confronted with this: He enjoys SC2 and wants to go pro. However, to do so under ROOT, he has to quit school/sleep, close off many career paths that would have been available if he followed a standard lifestyle, and pay thousands of dollars to attend tournaments with very fierce competition while having no income.
Alternatively, Juan can find a team that actually suits his needs. Every team out there that is aware of the BW scene knows how much crazy potential this guy has, and accordingly, I'm sure he had no shortage of offers going his way.
ROOT, in its former/current sponsorship position, could never have hoped to satisfy what Juan needed to progress his SC2 career. For Juan, it was a good chance to get top tier practice partners and publicity. ROOT only saw potential and was greedy to take the gamble and try to secure Juan, but we can see now that it didn't work.
Anyway, good luck to Juan and sixjax. I'm not sure that sixjax is the team for Juan, but it is certainly a better suited team than ROOT.
The first time I heard of this guy was the drama about joining ROOT, the next time I see him he is rage-quitting an FXO tournament, and now this? He better be bloody good. And lol at the guy bring up ROOT wanting people to pay rent to join their team house. You mean people really have to pay for rent and board to live somewhere? Even if they play on the same team? My god, what an outrage.
On April 10 2011 17:47 legatus legionis wrote: Something like professionalism and behaviour, Artosis is a master of this amongst other things.
Wait is this the same Artosis who was temp banned from here for calling the moderators bad things and generally having a massive cry because had to have a regame where HE disconnected? I'm sure he can help instill the IdrA/Artosis mindset even more into the kid so we can have a new breed of bm ragemachine.
However, he is a good naturally talented player. But i'd take someone like kolll anyday given the choice.
On April 10 2011 18:07 Rictus wrote: The first time I heard of this guy was the drama about joining ROOT, the next time I see him he is rage-quitting an FXO tournament, and now this? He better be bloody good. And lol at the guy bring up ROOT wanting people to pay rent to join their team house. You mean people really have to pay for rent and board to live somewhere? Even if they play on the same team? My god, what an outrage.
you do realize ROOT expected a 17 year old kid to move from MEXICO to florida while paying rent to live in a team house right? for them to expect him to move in, pay rent, pay his own plane ticket to tournaments ontop of other expenses which sponsors would normally cover is absurd and this is not even bringing up the whole issue of him needing to obtain a visa in order to come in to the country and work (which i dont think can even occur due to his age). qxc and sheth also left due to sponsorship and money issues so obviously there was an issue there. the only difference is, when qxc and sheth leave everyone wishes them well, when gositerran leaves everyone bashes him.
a few posts up nailed it, ROOT got greedy and rushed to pick up a known player and failed. the team didnt have the backing in place gositerran felt he needed in order to compete at the level he wanted and made a decision to leave for a more established team. lets leave it at that and stop trying to take a crap on a person who just wants to further their career in pro-gaming. the way he goes about it is his business and thats that. whether people think its bm, immature, unprofessional. he believes this is the right choice so only time will tell.
at the end of the day both parties will be well off. ROOT will find new players who dont require as much attention as gositerran does, they will still be a top NA team and they will keep growing. gositerran will hopefully settle down with an already established team, focus on getting better and be a positive force in the sc2 foreigner community.
I wont criticize the guy for wanting to get paid, but there's no doubt in my mind that he would leave as soon as there's a higher bidder. He has clearly shown that loyalty isn't something that he upholds.
I personally think that trying to go pro-gamer so young is a mistake. Sacrificing College or University education is one thing, your high school education?
I love Starcraft, but screwing up your entire life prospects for it just seems silly.
On April 10 2011 17:02 dtz wrote: Well, people do change. Naniwa has been the biggest success story so far and seems like he is pretty well settled now. So, Terran might also. It is not an encouraging sign though if a guy expect to be paid for future efforts instead of being rewarded for his past and present effort.
How did Naniwa change, him playing not well enough was never an issue, and he did not become a nice and mannered guy overnight, he does not rage and smacktalk openly at big stage, but that's hardly a change rather then a choice, and his manners were awful mostly in online / smaller tourneys/ ladder, and personally i got trashtlaked by him on ladder after his pledges to become a mannered player, and heard others say the same.
On April 10 2011 18:07 Rictus wrote: The first time I heard of this guy was the drama about joining ROOT, the next time I see him he is rage-quitting an FXO tournament, and now this? He better be bloody good. And lol at the guy bring up ROOT wanting people to pay rent to join their team house. You mean people really have to pay for rent and board to live somewhere? Even if they play on the same team? My god, what an outrage.
you do realize ROOT expected a 17 year old kid to move from MEXICO to florida while paying rent to live in a team house right? for them to expect him to move in, pay rent, pay his own plane ticket to tournaments ontop of other expenses which sponsors would normally cover is absurd and this is not even bringing up the whole issue of him needing to obtain a visa in order to come in to the country and work (which i dont think can even occur due to his age).
They didn't expect him to do anything. If he wanted to live in the house, ofc he had to cough up money for rent. Do you really think he could live for free there and live on CatZ and drewbie's own money just because they are in the same team? It's not a "teamhouse", it is CatZ house and he invited drewbie, TT1 and Fenix to live with him and play Starcraft. You are exaggerating the whole situation. If I move to the states for school, do you think its absurd that I have to pay rent to my roomies If I want roof over my head? I mean, I paid for school, I paid for the flight from Sweden without any income at all. Poor me, right? No ofc it's not absurd. You have a choice, either you have the money and you move to the US or you don't have the money and you stay home.
On April 10 2011 19:03 Chillax wrote: I personally think that trying to go pro-gamer so young is a mistake. Sacrificing College or University education is one thing, your high school education?
I love Starcraft, but screwing up your entire life prospects for it just seems silly.
Well, the guy can't even use punctuation when he writes, something you learn in like second grade. If you can't do that when you're 17 years old I don't have much hope for him to get into a college.
On April 10 2011 19:03 Chillax wrote: I personally think that trying to go pro-gamer so young is a mistake. Sacrificing College or University education is one thing, your high school education?
I love Starcraft, but screwing up your entire life prospects for it just seems silly.
I actually agree with that post, unless you really become one of the toppest then you won't have a backup plan if your starcraft carreer doesn't go so well and besides not only education is important at this age but also the social experiences and such; i believe you need that for your upcoming life wether it's in the esport or not...
It's his future and it's his decision. By all means he could have gotten a gold mine offer from ROOT but if his ambitions seem more sound than a blank check, then I would assume any reasonable person would go with it. While I've never heard of the kid, I'll safely assume this kid has raw talent that is well desired in current pro-gaming teams. However, when it comes to maturity, and professionalism, someone with his track record needs to gain some respect to earn it first.
On April 10 2011 15:51 Torte de Lini wrote: My cheers are with DDE, Mihai and Neverexpo <33 I guess Neverexpo didn't make the cut ):
I cut myself from the team :D
I was on the edge since i was against the "format changes" that were being implemented. Once I found out kitty was joining the team over a handful of other really capable players, I decided I didn't want to be associated with what was going on.
In all honesty, sixjax is setting out to be the best sc2 team by around this time next year. I believe they have the ability to do so with the financial support backing the team right now, but there are some things, in my mind, that are more important than pure skill. I've tried to balance the teams I've lead with skill/manner/overall behavior because I believe those are key factors to running a successful team, but we will see what happens! Money certainly can change people
It will also be a huge mess for Juan if he wants to team hop again, since he is under contract, and it wont be something easy to get out of if he pulls his regular fiascos. GL everyone~
On April 10 2011 15:51 Torte de Lini wrote: My cheers are with DDE, Mihai and Neverexpo <33 I guess Neverexpo didn't make the cut ):
In all honesty, sixjax is setting out to be the best sc2 team by around this time next year. I believe they have the ability to do so with the financial support backing the team right now, but there are some things, in my mind, that are more important than pure skill. I've tried to balance the teams I've lead with skill/manner/overall behavior because I believe those are key factors to running a successful team, but we will see what happens!
That's a healthy attitude, good to hear.
I hope this work's out for Artosis' sake but I doubt it.
On April 10 2011 18:07 Rictus wrote: The first time I heard of this guy was the drama about joining ROOT, the next time I see him he is rage-quitting an FXO tournament, and now this? He better be bloody good. And lol at the guy bring up ROOT wanting people to pay rent to join their team house. You mean people really have to pay for rent and board to live somewhere? Even if they play on the same team? My god, what an outrage.
you do realize ROOT expected a 17 year old kid to move from MEXICO to florida while paying rent to live in a team house right? for them to expect him to move in, pay rent, pay his own plane ticket to tournaments ontop of other expenses which sponsors would normally cover is absurd and this is not even bringing up the whole issue of him needing to obtain a visa in order to come in to the country and work (which i dont think can even occur due to his age). qxc and sheth also left due to sponsorship and money issues so obviously there was an issue there. the only difference is, when qxc and sheth leave everyone wishes them well, when gositerran leaves everyone bashes him.
a few posts up nailed it, ROOT got greedy and rushed to pick up a known player and failed. the team didnt have the backing in place gositerran felt he needed in order to compete at the level he wanted and made a decision to leave for a more established team. lets leave it at that and stop trying to take a crap on a person who just wants to further their career in pro-gaming. the way he goes about it is his business and thats that. whether people think its bm, immature, unprofessional. he believes this is the right choice so only time will tell.
at the end of the day both parties will be well off. ROOT will find new players who dont require as much attention as gositerran does, they will still be a top NA team and they will keep growing. gositerran will hopefully settle down with an already established team, focus on getting better and be a positive force in the sc2 foreigner community.
I'm sorry what, that's like the example someone else made, picking up PiQLiQ and it would end up bad. Exactly what has Terran achieved in SC2 so far to be called "known" player?
And this whole ROOT gaming house rent issue is getting hilarious. Read up a bit on what it actually is please :D
For those who want to see this guy play, he actually just posted a huge replay pack of himself less than a week ago (while he was still in ROOT). I feel like the thread kind of flew under the radar, but there's a ton of games in there so you can get a pretty accurate idea of what his skill level currently is.
He is good but his attitude to ROOT was never the greatest I heard on CatZ's stream that he was stubborn and would not listen to their advice. Him leaving ROOT was a slap on the face to them because they had to teach him all the basics for example he did not know about unit queuing with shift. ROOT put their faith in him and I feel that he used them as a stepping stone just to get better things which is very disloyal and I do not like him for that.
Good luck sixjax I hope he doesn't leave immediately for greener pastures.
Maybe I am wrong and I will humbly apologize if he proves us wrong.
I'm sorry what, that's like the example someone else made, picking up PiQLiQ and it would end up bad. Exactly what has Terran achieved in SC2 so far to be called "known" player?
And this whole ROOT gaming house rent issue is getting hilarious. Read up a bit on what it actually is please :D
Terran is nothing like PiQliQ though.....
Gosi[Terran] was one of the top players outside of Korea in BW at the start of the SC2 beta and on the same level as IdrA and NonY, arguably better. He was good enough to spend most of his time practising with top Korean players and while the ladder doesnt mean anything, its still impressive given how little time hes been playing SC2.
I wasnt surprised when he left Root after like a month, hopefully Artosis can temper him a little and lead him to some team stability though Im not holding my breath, contract or not.
On April 10 2011 15:51 Torte de Lini wrote: My cheers are with DDE, Mihai and Neverexpo <33 I guess Neverexpo didn't make the cut ):
I cut myself from the team :D
I was on the edge since i was against the "format changes" that were being implemented. Once I found out kitty was joining the team over a handful of other really capable players, I decided I didn't want to be associated with what was going on.
In all honesty, sixjax is setting out to be the best sc2 team by around this time next year. I believe they have the ability to do so with the financial support backing the team right now, but there are some things, in my mind, that are more important than pure skill. I've tried to balance the teams I've lead with skill/manner/overall behavior because I believe those are key factors to running a successful team, but we will see what happens! Money certainly can change people
It will also be a huge mess for Juan if he wants to team hop again, since he is under contract, and it wont be something easy to get out of if he pulls his regular fiascos. GL everyone~
On April 10 2011 15:30 Turgid wrote: Saw it coming, especially given how much Artosis loves this dude. Hope he changes his attitude here, feels kinda pretentious, you know?
I think his attitude is very reasonable. Putting up the amount of time it takes to play at top level and do your sponsors right requires that your sponsors do you right. If they can't help with some of the costs involved with getting to and from tournaments where the player is promoting their goods then the player would be wise to seek out a team with sponsors who would.
Being able to grind games out is very important and gosi was very well rounded and I think he will do very well. I can see him losing to someone with white-ra's style, but with enough practice he can close those gaps.
I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in
Because thats how the real world works. You get rewarded for your PLANS not your actions. That is why you get your diploma the first day of college and then earn it, because that is your plan. /s
I'm sorry but this just feels like a mistake for artosis and NOT something I would expect of him for his first recruit.
I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in
Because thats how the real world works. You get rewarded for your PLANS not your actions. That is why you get your diploma the first day of college and then earn it, because that is your plan. /s
I'm sorry but this just feels like a mistake for artosis and NOT something I would expect of him for his first recruit.
This pretty much. Made me laugh how you should get rewarded for you intentions and not what you've done, just about the exact opposite from how it actually works in the real world.
I dont agree on Artosis making a mistake though, I think he very well knows what he is doing and what a risk it is to take in Terran(considering his history) but hopefully it works out for both and I wish them the best of luck.
I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in
Because thats how the real world works. You get rewarded for your PLANS not your actions. That is why you get your diploma the first day of college and then earn it, because that is your plan. /s
I'm sorry but this just feels like a mistake for artosis and NOT something I would expect of him for his first recruit.
A better analogy is a pro sports team drafting a player who has immense, unrealized talent projecting that the potential benefits of the risk will outweigh the likely drawbacks. If you're in Artosis' position and want your team to compete with more established teams, you have to take some risks with talent.
This interview burned Terran pretty hard saying he doesn't care for SC2 until he saw the MLG - and related prize-pools no doubt - and wanting the in advance money. So I'm wondering where he could go if he bails on SixJax.
But anyway: I wish Terran and Artosis the best of luck and hope they do well in the upcomming tournys! Should be fun to see Artosis play again.
I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in
Because thats how the real world works. You get rewarded for your PLANS not your actions. That is why you get your diploma the first day of college and then earn it, because that is your plan. /s
I'm sorry but this just feels like a mistake for artosis and NOT something I would expect of him for his first recruit.
This pretty much. Made me laugh how you should get rewarded for you intentions and not what you've done, just about the exact opposite from how it actually works in the real world.
I dont agree on Artosis making a mistake though, I think he very well knows what he is doing and what a risk it is to take in Terran(considering his history) but hopefully it works out for both and I wish them the best of luck.
Well actually when you start working for someone you usually make sure you're getting paid before you start lifting.
Besides, we're talking about a 17 year old kid here. The grown-ups among us should probably step back from trashing him all that much.
Quit bashing on the kid, he wants to become a pro gamer, not a fucking WWE wrestler that is a crowd pleaser. If u people want SC2 to be acknowledge as a sport, decisions like his are well.... normal.
Compare him to Lebron James, he was tired of Cleveland because he knew he was never gonna win a title with them, so he joined the team with biggest potential, though we still need to see those results. Than compare him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, who already was on top of the world with Manchester United, but in the end joined Real Madrid just for the money and hasnt won a thing with them.
In sports it all comes down to money and titles, Juan realised that in ROOT he wont get either and decided to leave the team, Kinda same QXC did, he realised that in ROOT he wont get the money to do what he wants so he decided to leave and join a team that will give him that.
Honestly i like ROOT and especially drewbie who i think is the best NA terran but i fully support Juans decision to leave the team and find a new one that will support all his needs.
GO GO E(electronic)SPORTS and not E(entertainment)SPORTS.
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
This quote made my day. On topic: I hope Artosis' choice was a good one as RootKitty, RootPrinces, GosI(Terran) has a good reputation for switching teams on a quick basis.
No idea why any1 would pick him up after what he said about root and just his tendency to clan hop so much. Hope it all works well though, he's a realy talented player.
On April 10 2011 21:30 SuperStyle wrote: Quit bashing on the kid, he wants to become a pro gamer, not a fucking WWE wrestler that is a crowd pleaser. If u people want SC2 to be acknowledge as a sport, decisions like his are well.... normal.
Compare him to Lebron James, he was tired of Cleveland because he knew he was never gonna win a title with them, so he joined the team with biggest potential, though we still need to see those results. Than compare him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, who already was on top of the world with Manchester United, but in the end joined Real Madrid just for the money and hasnt won a thing with them.
In sports it all comes down to money and titles, Juan realised that in ROOT he wont get either and decided to leave the team, Kinda same QXC did, he realised that in ROOT he wont get the money to do what he wants so he decided to leave and join a team that will give him that.
Honestly i like ROOT and especially drewbie who i think is the best NA terran but i fully support Juans decision to leave the team and find a new one that will support all his needs.
GO GO E(electronic)SPORTS and not E(entertainment)SPORTS.
It would be the equivalent of Lebron going to Miami, switching to New York mid season,switching to another team post season, the negotiations break down during the summer, lebron finds another team, and switches once again mid season. And then lebron insulting the organization's sponsors and saying that was the reason he left even though he should have clearly been aware of the team's situation before he decided to join
just hold his pay like the army used to do. make him wait three months to get it through every time then he's less likely to quit on a spur of the moment thing to join another team xD
I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in
Because thats how the real world works. You get rewarded for your PLANS not your actions. That is why you get your diploma the first day of college and then earn it, because that is your plan. /s
I'm sorry but this just feels like a mistake for artosis and NOT something I would expect of him for his first recruit.
This pretty much. Made me laugh how you should get rewarded for you intentions and not what you've done, just about the exact opposite from how it actually works in the real world.
I dont agree on Artosis making a mistake though, I think he very well knows what he is doing and what a risk it is to take in Terran(considering his history) but hopefully it works out for both and I wish them the best of luck.
Well actually when you start working for someone you usually make sure you're getting paid before you start lifting.
Besides, we're talking about a 17 year old kid here. The grown-ups among us should probably step back from trashing him all that much.
While I do agree on getting paid before doing work the mindset you have isnt that you are entitled to get paid for your intentions but for what you can contribute. Terran though basically says that he should get paid for his time that he is planning on putting in. It's splitting hairs but there is a pretty huge difference since all he has to his name is basically raw talent but a very shaky past. With his past I'd be happy to even be picked up by a team let alone feeling entitled to getting paid before actually showing any results.
I agree though that all the bashing really need to stop, it's counter productive and really leads to nowhere and as you said he's 17 and just a kid. You cant really expect him to act like an adult just yet(even though it's getting fairly close to that time ).
and for anyone who might be a bit confused, I was laughing at what Terran said not at him as a player or person
And LOL @ anyone giving Juan shit for leaving ROOT, Sheth and QXC have done the same thing for the same reason and I don't see anyone getting as mad at them. I love Root-gaming, but this is a pretty sweet pickup.
I was not involved in Brood War and did not watch any of Juan's games - if his macro Terran game sense and decision making remains then he'll certainly be somebody to look out for.
I have no idea where he is in terms of current skill or team loyalty but I assume anyone putting in the time and commitment whilst playing on Korean servers can and will improve.
On April 10 2011 21:30 SuperStyle wrote: Quit bashing on the kid, he wants to become a pro gamer, not a fucking WWE wrestler that is a crowd pleaser. If u people want SC2 to be acknowledge as a sport, decisions like his are well.... normal.
Compare him to Lebron James, he was tired of Cleveland because he knew he was never gonna win a title with them, so he joined the team with biggest potential, though we still need to see those results. Than compare him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, who already was on top of the world with Manchester United, but in the end joined Real Madrid just for the money and hasnt won a thing with them.
In sports it all comes down to money and titles, Juan realised that in ROOT he wont get either and decided to leave the team, Kinda same QXC did, he realised that in ROOT he wont get the money to do what he wants so he decided to leave and join a team that will give him that.
Honestly i like ROOT and especially drewbie who i think is the best NA terran but i fully support Juans decision to leave the team and find a new one that will support all his needs.
GO GO E(electronic)SPORTS and not E(entertainment)SPORTS.
I fully agree with this, if people want sc2 to grow to become a SPORT they have to realize what a SPORT includes... It's not just good things in sports, there's more BM due to the competitive nature and team hopping isn't something unusual, Juan wants to make a living out of gaming I guess, if he feels that he couldn't achieve that in ROOT then I don't see what's wrong with him changing team...
On April 10 2011 15:30 Turgid wrote: Saw it coming, especially given how much Artosis loves this dude. Hope he changes his attitude here, feels kinda pretentious, you know?
Agree the little write up did nothing for hes credibility in my eyes. Best of luck to SixJax and Artosis
On April 10 2011 21:30 SuperStyle wrote: Quit bashing on the kid, he wants to become a pro gamer, not a fucking WWE wrestler that is a crowd pleaser. If u people want SC2 to be acknowledge as a sport, decisions like his are well.... normal.
Compare him to Lebron James, he was tired of Cleveland because he knew he was never gonna win a title with them, so he joined the team with biggest potential, though we still need to see those results. Than compare him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, who already was on top of the world with Manchester United, but in the end joined Real Madrid just for the money and hasnt won a thing with them.
In sports it all comes down to money and titles, Juan realised that in ROOT he wont get either and decided to leave the team, Kinda same QXC did, he realised that in ROOT he wont get the money to do what he wants so he decided to leave and join a team that will give him that.
Honestly i like ROOT and especially drewbie who i think is the best NA terran but i fully support Juans decision to leave the team and find a new one that will support all his needs.
GO GO E(electronic)SPORTS and not E(entertainment)SPORTS.
ronaldo went to real madrid because he promised his mother that he would once play for this team. the mother has a special place in south european families, its hard to explain to outsiders. he could get any amount of money he wanted in manchester if he said he wanted to stay there anyway.
On April 10 2011 21:30 SuperStyle wrote: Quit bashing on the kid, he wants to become a pro gamer, not a fucking WWE wrestler that is a crowd pleaser. If u people want SC2 to be acknowledge as a sport, decisions like his are well.... normal.
Compare him to Lebron James, he was tired of Cleveland because he knew he was never gonna win a title with them, so he joined the team with biggest potential, though we still need to see those results. Than compare him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, who already was on top of the world with Manchester United, but in the end joined Real Madrid just for the money and hasnt won a thing with them.
In sports it all comes down to money and titles, Juan realised that in ROOT he wont get either and decided to leave the team, Kinda same QXC did, he realised that in ROOT he wont get the money to do what he wants so he decided to leave and join a team that will give him that.
Honestly i like ROOT and especially drewbie who i think is the best NA terran but i fully support Juans decision to leave the team and find a new one that will support all his needs.
GO GO E(electronic)SPORTS and not E(entertainment)SPORTS.
ronaldo went to real madrid because he promised his mother that he would once play for this team. the mother has a special place in south european families, its hard to explain to outsiders. he could get any amount of money he wanted in manchester if he said he wanted to stay there anyway.
Yeah you're right. He also won everything he could with Man United so he wanted to move on. So he didn't go to Real just for the money. ._.
On April 10 2011 21:30 SuperStyle wrote: Quit bashing on the kid, he wants to become a pro gamer, not a fucking WWE wrestler that is a crowd pleaser. If u people want SC2 to be acknowledge as a sport, decisions like his are well.... normal.
Compare him to Lebron James, he was tired of Cleveland because he knew he was never gonna win a title with them, so he joined the team with biggest potential, though we still need to see those results. Than compare him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, who already was on top of the world with Manchester United, but in the end joined Real Madrid just for the money and hasnt won a thing with them.
In sports it all comes down to money and titles, Juan realised that in ROOT he wont get either and decided to leave the team, Kinda same QXC did, he realised that in ROOT he wont get the money to do what he wants so he decided to leave and join a team that will give him that.
Honestly i like ROOT and especially drewbie who i think is the best NA terran but i fully support Juans decision to leave the team and find a new one that will support all his needs.
GO GO E(electronic)SPORTS and not E(entertainment)SPORTS.
ronaldo went to real madrid because he promised his mother that he would once play for this team. the mother has a special place in south european families, its hard to explain to outsiders. he could get any amount of money he wanted in manchester if he said he wanted to stay there anyway.
Im from south Europe originally and id sell my mother for cash, so dont give me that mommy crap, hes a grown man and a poster boy, only thing he likes is playing football and fucking hot girls, he probably only sees his mother once a year for some portuguese holiday.
On April 10 2011 22:46 CrimsnDragn wrote: In all honesty, I think I like ROOTkitty more than SixjaxTerran... ^^ Good job artosis nethertheless. will be excited to watch him delivar in NASL.
Some people need to grow up and realize when things come down to finances it's the real world and people make tough choices.
If you got a new job and it paid pretty shitty lets say 14 dollars an hour or something and worked there for 2 weeks then got a real job offer which paid like 40 grand a year salary you would take it in an instant.. even if the people at that crappier job were nice and needed you. So you start your new 40 grand a year job, even though you know with your current education and expertise you know you deserve more.
3-4 months pass by you get an even better offer better benefits etc.. 70 grand a year salary, are you going to decline it and say no thanks I don't want to have a bad name and leave my current employer even though I need the extra cash? Of course not, this happens every day in the business world people leave, it's expected and smart businesses or organizations have contingency plans in place so during the transitional period they can grab new people or whatever to cover their bases.
Even though this is a game, people who fly out to events to compete shell out tons of money for hotels, food, plane tickets etc. you honestly can't expect someone to jump at any opportunity when it will make their lives easier, if you think not than you obviously have never been in any kind of situation like that.
On April 10 2011 21:30 SuperStyle wrote: Quit bashing on the kid, he wants to become a pro gamer, not a fucking WWE wrestler that is a crowd pleaser. If u people want SC2 to be acknowledge as a sport, decisions like his are well.... normal.
Compare him to Lebron James, he was tired of Cleveland because he knew he was never gonna win a title with them, so he joined the team with biggest potential, though we still need to see those results. Than compare him to someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, who already was on top of the world with Manchester United, but in the end joined Real Madrid just for the money and hasnt won a thing with them.
In sports it all comes down to money and titles, Juan realised that in ROOT he wont get either and decided to leave the team, Kinda same QXC did, he realised that in ROOT he wont get the money to do what he wants so he decided to leave and join a team that will give him that.
Honestly i like ROOT and especially drewbie who i think is the best NA terran but i fully support Juans decision to leave the team and find a new one that will support all his needs.
GO GO E(electronic)SPORTS and not E(entertainment)SPORTS.
ronaldo went to real madrid because he promised his mother that he would once play for this team. the mother has a special place in south european families, its hard to explain to outsiders. he could get any amount of money he wanted in manchester if he said he wanted to stay there anyway.
I'm European and I don't believe this at all :p. I love my mother and will always take her advice to heart but in the end i'd do what's best for me.
ROOTkitty is just another overhyped player imo. I agree with ROOT for letting him go because they know what kind of qualities they want in a player and kitty had none of them, maybe they thought he would change after hanging out with them. For example.. Look at Destiny, Kitty might be a better player but he doesn't listen to his team or show them much respect (Thought this was really weird o.o), Destiny listens and is always trying to learn from the great Zerg players already on ROOT.
IMO I think this was the best move for Kitty because he probably has a LOT of respect for Artosis, he won't be rude or not take his advice.
On April 10 2011 15:35 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: hope you're right about this, at which point do teams start to care about past behavior vs skill?
Neither are all that important. When money is involved it comes down to results :D
dunno for me its ALOT about the players. if i dont like the player i most likely wont care about his results and dont care about his team.
ofcourse if the results are really impressive he usually will still get some spotlight/fans that way. see naniwa with recent mlg and how much fans he suddenly got. but i still dont like that guy and will root forever against him/ignore him even after his run.
but maybe thats just me...
well atleast artosis threads always deliver. some semidrama and sc gossip yeeah goodluck with that boy artosis, you gonna need it ~
Who really gives a shit about how the players act if they bring results in. Everyone was hating BIG time on naniwa. Now after he is owning everyone, suddently its more silent.
If anything it keeps things interesting. WHO doesnt want to see the next HUK vs IDRA match after what went on in MLG!??!?!?
I really cant wait to watch this guy own up some big tournys
Lets see if he will actually stay on this team or if I will be browsing the TL forums and seeing a new thread in a couple weeks stating that he has departed from sixjax. Only time will tell...
The only thing I dislike about artosis is how fucking much he hyped this garbage in BW. I sincerely hope that artosis wont be too disappointed when barbie or pinky or flowers or w/e hes gonna call himself in a week leaves sixjax
Awesome post Artosis, getting picked up to sj by the legend Artosis would be a dream come true to any gamer I bet! can't wait for to see your games in NASL tomorrow, Artosis fighting!
On April 10 2011 23:45 Strike_ wrote: 1 week I give him 1 week and he'll quit 6jax :/
it is way different when artosis is your captain. catz is cool but artosis is a seasoned professional at this.
Artosis is an online friend of his, so it's only fitting. That's the only major difference. Catz had a pretty good run in BW and has been all over SC2. With that said, Catz has a good idea of what he is doing. There is no need to compare the two.
They keep on saying he is so young, how old is Terran anyway? He said he'll be playing full time for the next 6 months so i suppose sixjacks has signed him for 6 months. They'll probably sponsor him to all major tournaments that he qualifies also.
I already felt pretty skeptical about sixjax and the way they broke up nrg, just keeping a few of the players; that seemed like a pretty unprofessional way for a sponsor to behave. This pickup makes them seem even more unprofessional, I will not be cheering for them for quite some time.
On April 11 2011 00:11 Like a Boss wrote: They keep on saying he is so young, how old is Terran anyway? He said he'll be playing full time for the next 6 months so i suppose sixjacks has signed him for 6 months. They'll probably sponsor him to all major tournaments that he qualifies also.
On April 10 2011 23:25 Pekkz wrote: Who really gives a shit about how the players act if they bring results in. Everyone was hating BIG time on naniwa. Now after he is owning everyone, suddently its more silent.
If anything it keeps things interesting. WHO doesnt want to see the next HUK vs IDRA match after what went on in MLG!??!?!?
I really cant wait to watch this guy own up some big tournys
Attitude matters if you want a real pro. Everyone talking shit abaout nani wasn't some random stuff. Now he's not just owning anyone, but he's toned down the BM a lot, and he's not tea hopping or missing previously agreed on matches, etc.
I hope this lasts, I wanna see Artosis' team triumph
On April 11 2011 00:18 LuckyFool wrote: terribad recruitment.
I'll say he has about a month or so with sixjax then he'll ditch out. Will he even be able to travel to events like MLG? lol.
no wonder kurt's out of sixjax.
I am just blown away by some people
Your bring up kurtis saying he left, yet you ignore the fact he also said in this very thread Terran is under contract... does anyone here have any idea what a contract is?
Additionally, in the interview juan says sixjax will be sending him to events...
It's weird how people hate on players for taking the offer with more money but few people would say the same to an individual working in industry. After I get my (latest) degree, I'm going to consider a lot of factors in what job I accept, and one of them will surely be how much I'm getting paid.
If sixjax wants to pay this kid more than ROOT would, why would anyone expect him to stay with ROOT? AFAIK, he didn't break a contract or anything like that...
I doubt he would ditch Artosis in a week tho. Artosis is the best thing that can happen to this guy especially if Artosis actually train him. From what I hear everywhere it looks like his mechanics is amazing and there are not many people that can teach Sc2 better than Artosis as far as in game decision, builds, transitions, etc..
It would be extremely dumb for Terran as a player to leave Sixjax, he would get shit from the community for sure, but his development as a player would never be as good as what it can be with Sixjax.
So it's either girlish names or totally uninspiring and bland names? How about just taking 10 mins to make an effort. It's doesn't even have to be English. Better yet let Artosis pick an ID for you then.
On April 11 2011 00:18 LuckyFool wrote: terribad recruitment.
I'll say he has about a month or so with sixjax then he'll ditch out. Will he even be able to travel to events like MLG? lol.
no wonder kurt's out of sixjax.
I am just blown away by some people
Your bring up kurtis saying he left, yet you ignore the fact he also said in this very thread Terran is under contract... does anyone here have any idea what a contract is?
Additionally, in the interview juan says sixjax will be sending him to events...
Saying you'll do something in an interview is one thing actually doing it is another. Especially when it comes to gositerran.
I guess we'll have to hope a contract/salary can somehow keep him from straying. Only time will tell yo. I guarantee you he'll keep shopping around though.
I wonder what the other SixJax players think about this, Mihai/dde etc. lolz :D
This helps explain why he was so quick to leave ROOT, at least. Makes sense that he would switch to the team whose captain has been working with him for years, even if he does have good friends like CatZ on ROOT.
The true test of whether he'll keep his clanhopper reputation will be how long he stays on SJ.
I've never understood why a guy like Idra, who constantly talks shit about his opponents and puts down Blizzard and SC2 itself, is treated like a hero and has his own fan club, while people simply can't stop putting down Terran just because he switched clans a lot back in the day.
Why does anyone care if he switched clans? Shouldn't there be freedom of association? Why is it anyone else's business who he chooses to associate himself with, and why does that reflect on his character?
It's not like he's getting married when he joins a clan. People leave firms all the time - some people I know have even made a career out of it. It doesn't reflect on their moral character. It's just a career decision.
Im just not understanding how someone can just want a sponsor so bad and hop teams without actually posting much results and only playing sc2 for such a short time. Excluding his BW background he hasnt done THAT much in sc2 and seems to be asking for way too much too soon. I guess well just see how it goes
On April 11 2011 00:35 Kammalleri wrote: I doubt he would ditch Artosis in a week tho. Artosis is the best thing that can happen to this guy especially if Artosis actually train him. From what I hear everywhere it looks like his mechanics is amazing and there are not many people that can teach Sc2 better than Artosis as far as in game decision, builds, transitions, etc..
It would be extremely dumb for Terran as a player to leave Sixjax, he would get shit from the community for sure, but his development as a player would never be as good as what it can be with Sixjax.
Lol Terran is probably going to have no problems being a better player than Artosis, hardly needs him as a mentor..
Infact whats with the comments saying he'd be a great mentor based on? As a player he's just the guy who follows around IdrA and agrees with him on everything. All this SC2 guys seem to have some warped view of him being some wise old gamer who will progress a youngster to stardom when he was just a typical BM US player himself who raged all the time about imbalance.
The fact that people are willing to pay this kid, knowing his reputation and everything that's happened is sad. People grow up and mature eventually, but Juan clearly hasn't yet. I'm disappointed that sixjax would offer this guy a contract. I guess if you're good at the game then nothing else matters.
That being said, he's probably going to stick with sixjax for as long as he can milk money out of it.
On April 11 2011 01:31 RmoteCntrld wrote: People are hating on this kid for leaving ROOT cause he wanted a sponsored team? Didn't qxc just do the same thing?
They are hating on this kid because he has a history of clan hopping. When he joined ROOT people were taking bets on how long he would last. Now he's in Sixjax, people are doing the same.
It's got nothing to do with leaving ROOT and joining a new team, it's about the continual leaving and joining of teams.
Only time will tell. I don't usually get involved in a player's attitude, and judge them more on their skill to be honest.. I mean, it's worth mentioning about his history with clan hopping but it's getting as much attention as his winnings.. I think it's more important to pay attention to that. There's no denying he has a bad history though, but I think this can be a new start for him if he plays it out right.
On April 11 2011 01:31 RmoteCntrld wrote: People are hating on this kid for leaving ROOT cause he wanted a sponsored team? Didn't qxc just do the same thing?
QXC didn't bash ROOT/their sponsors when he left. QXC has also shown results and NEEDED to get compensated in order to continue travelling. Terran hasn't shown any results and yet demands to get paid.
If he can somehow worm his way out of this contract whenever he feels even the slightest bit upset, nobody will pick him up again. I hope this isn't the case for Artosis's sake and he will be able to keep Terran on a short leash.
On April 11 2011 00:35 GeorgeForeman wrote: It's weird how people hate on players for taking the offer with more money but few people would say the same to an individual working in industry. After I get my (latest) degree, I'm going to consider a lot of factors in what job I accept, and one of them will surely be how much I'm getting paid.
If sixjax wants to pay this kid more than ROOT would, why would anyone expect him to stay with ROOT? AFAIK, he didn't break a contract or anything like that...
He joined root, then left like a week after he joined... Was he just completely oblivious to the teams situation? If he wasn't satisfied with what his pay would be theres no reason to join in the first place lol. PLus terran has a history of doing this like every month
On April 11 2011 00:35 GeorgeForeman wrote: It's weird how people hate on players for taking the offer with more money but few people would say the same to an individual working in industry. After I get my (latest) degree, I'm going to consider a lot of factors in what job I accept, and one of them will surely be how much I'm getting paid.
If sixjax wants to pay this kid more than ROOT would, why would anyone expect him to stay with ROOT? AFAIK, he didn't break a contract or anything like that...
He joined root, then left like a week after he joined... Was he just completely oblivious to the teams situation? If he wasn't satisfied with what his pay would be theres no reason to join in the first place lol. PLus terran has a history of doing this like every month
"Like a week" as in a bit over a month??
Some people that post here are babies, i swear. It's like someone turning down a paying job vs a volunteer job just because he had started the volunteer job a few weeks ago. It MAKES NO SENSE. Add in the fact that 2 other high lvl players have done the same thing Terran just did, and it just seems like people love to bitch about other people.
Try looking at situations through the other person's shoes. Oh wait, that's just too much to ask from a lot you.
On April 11 2011 01:31 RmoteCntrld wrote: People are hating on this kid for leaving ROOT cause he wanted a sponsored team? Didn't qxc just do the same thing?
It's different for qxc, qxc has been on ROOT for a long time. QXC always had a dream of going to Korea but ROOT just couldn't finance him as of now. While Kitty who has been for only 1 month demanded full financial support living in the team house. He hasn't have any achievements or worth mentioning in Sc2 yet and just in the team for such a short time. You wouldn't actually invest to this player in these circumstances. Not to mention his history of clan hopping in BW. He shoulda prove his worth first and earn ROOT trust before demanding such things.
On April 11 2011 00:35 GeorgeForeman wrote: It's weird how people hate on players for taking the offer with more money but few people would say the same to an individual working in industry. After I get my (latest) degree, I'm going to consider a lot of factors in what job I accept, and one of them will surely be how much I'm getting paid.
If sixjax wants to pay this kid more than ROOT would, why would anyone expect him to stay with ROOT? AFAIK, he didn't break a contract or anything like that...
He joined root, then left like a week after he joined... Was he just completely oblivious to the teams situation? If he wasn't satisfied with what his pay would be theres no reason to join in the first place lol. PLus terran has a history of doing this like every month
"Like a week" as in a bit over a month??
Some people that post here are babies, i swear. It's like someone turning down a paying job vs a volunteer job just because he had started the volunteer job a few weeks ago. It MAKES NO SENSE. Add in the fact that 2 other high lvl players have done the same thing Terran just did, and it just seems like people love to bitch about other people.
Try looking at situations through the other person's shoes. Oh wait, that's just too much to ask from a lot you.
It's more like going to a volunteer job that requires a long term commitment (like mentoring) and then up and leaving before the job is finished because you found work elsewhere, then badmouthing the people that make running the volunteer organization possible. qxc and Sheth left to get salaries, yes, but they also maintained friendly ties with ROOT and didn't bad mouth their sponsors.
I hope Terran actually stays with a team he commits to for once. I love Artosis and I know Terran is good so I really want this to work out. It sucks that all I can really think about is how long til he jumps ship. I do really hope I (and many here) are wrong.
I’ve been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I’ve been planning to put in.
I assume he means his travel costs?
Seperate note, it's my birthday in America! Luckily, I'm not there :-) still 23 and not that bit older!
My prediction is he'll leave in 3 weeks. I really hope i am wrong and he stays with Artosis and sixjaks. Only time will tell. Best of luck with him Artosis!
Drama aside, considering I know nothing about his past, I was lucky enough to watch him play yesterday. He very talented and I wish best of luck to him and Sixjax.
Who didn't see this coming... Artosis loves this kid and thought he would be the next big thing in BW... As soon as he left ROOT I knew he would get picked up by NrG.
On April 11 2011 04:01 GreEny K wrote: Who didn't see this coming... Artosis loves this kid and thought he would be the next big thing in BW... As soon as he left ROOT I knew he would get picked up by NrG.
Do you people seriously think he would bail out on *Artosis* after being handed a break like this? I mean, even with all the clan hopping in the past, surely this kid must understand how fucked he'd be in the esports scene if he did it at this level.
Go Artosis Go I hope you'll be playing alot too, excited to see you in top form again, hopefully Day9 will follow suit once hes finished all his thesis work
I'd like to clear this up. If I'm correct ( I think I'm on the right path ), sixjax took NrG's best members and is going to make a team with that base. Now this is simple. Why wouldn't you take their best zerg player? Ostojiy
On April 11 2011 04:16 Kyhol wrote: I'd like to clear this up. If I'm correct ( I think I'm on the right path ), sixjax took NrG's best members and is going to make a team with that base. Now this is simple. Why wouldn't you take their best zerg player? Ostojiy
I second this. Ostojiy used to be terrible at BW but he is really good at SC2. One of the best zergs out there.
On April 11 2011 04:16 Kyhol wrote: I'd like to clear this up. If I'm correct ( I think I'm on the right path ), sixjax took NrG's best members and is going to make a team with that base. Now this is simple. Why wouldn't you take their best zerg player? Ostojiy
On April 11 2011 04:16 Kyhol wrote: I'd like to clear this up. If I'm correct ( I think I'm on the right path ), sixjax took NrG's best members and is going to make a team with that base. Now this is simple. Why wouldn't you take their best zerg player? Ostojiy
I second this. Ostojiy used to be terrible at BW but he is really good at SC2. One of the best zergs out there.
I feel like the SC2 community is being way too harsh, especially after I left ROOT. I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in.
This is such a strange statement. I plan on spending an extreme amount of time learning some new job skills but I won't be rewarded financially until they produce results. This just sounds greedy to me.
Yes I know english is not his first language. It's obvious he said what he meant here.
I feel like the SC2 community is being way too harsh, especially after I left ROOT. I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in.
This is such a strange statement. I plan on spending an extreme amount of time learning some new job skills but I won't be rewarded financially until they produce results. This just sounds greedy to me.
Yes I know english is not his first language. It's obvious he said what he meant here.
When I apply for a job, I don't do a bunch of work for them and then say, "Would you mind giving me some money now that I've put in time?"
Rather, I come to an agreement with them beforehand, saying "I'll work 40 hours a week if you pay me $X per hour." Then we agree and sign some papers. As I understand it, ROOT was unwilling to pay Terran as much as sixjax is. Terran thought he deserved that given that he's going to be spending a lot of time on SC2. What's the problem?
I feel like the SC2 community is being way too harsh, especially after I left ROOT. I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in.
This is such a strange statement. I plan on spending an extreme amount of time learning some new job skills but I won't be rewarded financially until they produce results. This just sounds greedy to me.
Yes I know english is not his first language. It's obvious he said what he meant here.
I'm guessing you Don't know how things work in real sports. Rookies are given huge contracts based on their potential. Terran has shown he has great potential so a team pays him based on what they think that potential is worth. If anything you can blame the team, but don't blame the player for taking money people are willing to give him.
On April 11 2011 04:42 GeorgeForeman wrote: When I apply for a job, I don't do a bunch of work for them and then say, "Would you mind giving me some money now that I've put in time?"
Yes you do. There are very, very few jobs that pay up front. Everyone will have to work under agreed conditions before being paid.
hmmmm I think he'll be gone pretty quick, its too bad he's a good player but just so demanding, demanding things like pay from ROOT before he even was really playing games for them, i knwo for a fact that they worked with him alot to get him better
I just hope he doesn't do the same thing to artosis
I feel like the SC2 community is being way too harsh, especially after I left ROOT. I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in.
This is such a strange statement. I plan on spending an extreme amount of time learning some new job skills but I won't be rewarded financially until they produce results. This just sounds greedy to me.
Yes I know english is not his first language. It's obvious he said what he meant here.
I'm guessing you Don't know how things work in real sports. Rookies are given huge contracts based on their potential. Terran has shown he has great potential so a team pays him based on what they think that potential is worth. If anything you can blame the team, but don't blame the player for taking money people are willing to give him.
MLB and NBA both have rookie wage scales. Therefore only after proving skills and providing certain results will they receive a big contract, as it should be. The NFL is the only major league that pays these huge rookie contracts and that is probably going away in the near future.
So maybe you don't understand how sports work. Even if you do, that isn't my point. I'm pointing out that expecting a certain amount of support because you state that you plan on playing quite a bit, coupled with the fact that there isn't a whole lot of results from him YET, just seems slightly awkward to me. I think those kinds of comments could and should have been held back in lieu of results.
The fact that he seemingly has what he wants now is a good thing though, and I'll be watching his results very closely.
So, what is happening with sixjax/NrG or whatever the team is called. Isn't the roster on the site correct? I don't mind a PM if it is to much off topic.
Why is everyone bashing on this guy for clan hopping like it's a dirty thing? Why is everyone saying it's a bad move by Artosis? What does Artosis actually lose if the guy breaks contract and leaves?
This is an investment with chances of huge payoff, and little risk. I support this move entirely. It not only spurs up tons of attention, but it's obvious there's a lot of skill involved with Terran which can help break sixjax out of it's lesser know status with Artosis' help. And all this buzz right now. This is ONLY a good thing for the team as well.
On April 11 2011 06:04 Termit wrote: So, what is happening with sixjax/NrG or whatever the team is called. Isn't the roster on the site correct? I don't mind a PM if it is to much off topic.
sixjax gaming. I am not sure what the roster is right now but the one listed on the site is old and no longer correct.
Is terran going to be his id? or is it just a temp name? no disrespect at all but I think that could hinder his ability to stand out a little, just my opinion though
I feel like the SC2 community is being way too harsh, especially after I left ROOT. I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in.
This is such a strange statement. I plan on spending an extreme amount of time learning some new job skills but I won't be rewarded financially until they produce results. This just sounds greedy to me.
Yes I know english is not his first language. It's obvious he said what he meant here.
I'm guessing you Don't know how things work in real sports. Rookies are given huge contracts based on their potential. Terran has shown he has great potential so a team pays him based on what they think that potential is worth. If anything you can blame the team, but don't blame the player for taking money people are willing to give him.
MLB and NBA both have rookie wage scales. Therefore only after proving skills and providing certain results will they receive a big contract, as it should be. The NFL is the only major league that pays these huge rookie contracts and that is probably going away in the near future.
So maybe you don't understand how sports work. Even if you do, that isn't my point. I'm pointing out that expecting a certain amount of support because you state that you plan on playing quite a bit, coupled with the fact that there isn't a whole lot of results from him YET, just seems slightly awkward to me. I think those kinds of comments could and should have been held back in lieu of results.
The fact that he seemingly has what he wants now is a good thing though, and I'll be watching his results very closely.
I agree it is a little odd but you cant blame the kid for wanting money when teams are willing to give it to him.
On April 11 2011 04:42 GeorgeForeman wrote: When I apply for a job, I don't do a bunch of work for them and then say, "Would you mind giving me some money now that I've put in time?"
Yes you do. There are very, very few jobs that pay up front. Everyone will have to work under agreed conditions before being paid.
Yeah, my point is that there's an agreement or contract reached beforehand. You don't just go to work all week and then ask if maybe they'll agree to pay you. You agree on that before hand. Which is what he's saying: he wants to be compensated for playing the game.
I've heard this kid's got potential, although between names like Princess, Kitty, and now just vanilla "Terran", someone really needs to give him a good ID.
It sounds to me like he is not sure what he wants to do. "I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in." I hope he misspoke there. There are a lot of people that put a ton of time into playing SC2 and looking for sponsors. By that statement it sounds like he isn't willing to put the time in until he gets paid. Kind of like looking for a job that requires college and saying "I've been planning to go to college, once you pay me I will go". Doesn't sound good at all.
On April 11 2011 10:27 HyDrO-NP- wrote: It sounds to me like he is not sure what he wants to do. "I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in." I hope he misspoke there. There are a lot of people that put a ton of time into playing SC2 and looking for sponsors. By that statement it sounds like he isn't willing to put the time in until he gets paid. Kind of like looking for a job that requires college and saying "I've been planning to go to college, once you pay me I will go". Doesn't sound good at all.
Sure sounds like he's got a plan from what you quoted there .
pretty great interview, good thing he does know how to answer especially with the "most overrated player in NA?" since it's going to bring him animosity
Anyway, I think his going to be in sixjax for quite sometime. If he has 6 months of contract that means 6 months of being bonded to the team. But, then if he is going to suck and don't get results, just means his going to hop again
I suppose copying and pasting the thread comment sfrom "Kitty joins root" should suffice for this thread, lol.
But for all the hype of this guy, has he really had any showing whatsoever at online events? I mean if he wants money, surely he can win some online stuff while trying to get that sponsorship money to attend live events.
I got worried when I saw the player they took in, and I got panicked when I read the interview. The guy who's doing the interview are using words such as "shittiest map" on a fron page interview when picking up a new member. Poor Artosis
I guess the kid's gotta get payed for the time he plans that he might put into the game he doesn't like. Oh well. Best of luck.
On April 11 2011 10:27 HyDrO-NP- wrote: It sounds to me like he is not sure what he wants to do. "I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in." I hope he misspoke there. There are a lot of people that put a ton of time into playing SC2 and looking for sponsors. By that statement it sounds like he isn't willing to put the time in until he gets paid. Kind of like looking for a job that requires college and saying "I've been planning to go to college, once you pay me I will go". Doesn't sound good at all.
lol the part about this that pisses me off is this guy expects so much, when he's only played the game for a month. We get it, you were good at BW, but you expect teams to throw godless amounts of money at you when you haven't proven shit except for a fair bit of potential?
A little arrogant of him. I wonder if he quit before or after root got those mega sponsors.
edit: Assuming they didn't post immediately when he left.
On April 11 2011 10:27 HyDrO-NP- wrote: It sounds to me like he is not sure what he wants to do. "I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in." I hope he misspoke there. There are a lot of people that put a ton of time into playing SC2 and looking for sponsors. By that statement it sounds like he isn't willing to put the time in until he gets paid. Kind of like looking for a job that requires college and saying "I've been planning to go to college, once you pay me I will go". Doesn't sound good at all.
lol the part about this that pisses me off is this guy expects so much, when he's only played the game for a month. We get it, you were good at BW, but you expect teams to throw godless amounts of money at you when you haven't proven shit except for a fair bit of potential?
A little arrogant of him. I wonder if he quit before or after root got those mega sponsors.
edit: Assuming they didn't post immediately when he left.
It's ok. We already know he has a big ego and his personality has always been that way. ROOT was waiting to announce their sponsors at the right time.
Honestly, I'm kind of sick and tired of looking at the news section every now and then to see his name in a new team. I don't even think this constitutes as a "news" post anymore, I'm just disappointed. Now of all people Artosis recruits him; loss of words.
GL to both parties, "Terran" better not tick off Artosis, or else he's going to find himself in a pit full of so many banelings.
@Longshank - Don't nitpick so much , I mean't it posted AS "news". It's like you turn on *Insert Media outlet of your choosing* and they tell you the sky is blue.
On April 12 2011 04:55 Slardar wrote: Honestly, I'm kind of sick and tired of looking at the news section every now and then to see his name in a new team. I don't even think this constitutes as a "news" post anymore, I'm just disappointed. Now of all people Artosis recruits him; loss of words.
GL to both parties, "Terran" better not tick off Artosis, or else he's going to find himself in a pit full of so many banelings.
Then you should be thrilled this isn't posted in the news section?
Awesome! Except in the video I heard "at the end of StarCraft 1." I'm pretty sure you meant to say "at the time he stopped playing StarCraft 1." Right?
On April 12 2011 05:00 FFGenerations wrote: just coincidently noticed this day9 daily that is relevent , day9 vs gositerran http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3535217/
but the problem with that is because you know that if Day9 is uploading it, because he's always modest that means he loses - but it's Day9, who's super awesome! Always rootin for him xD. And I don't like gositerran because he reeks of entitlement, and if Day9 loses then gositerran won. blegh!
I wonder if this "sponsorship" will mean that terran will actually participate in some more tournaments, it'll be interesting to finally see some vods of him in tournament games.
I think the thing I hate most about this is the fact that Sixjax is a shady auction website, so this guy is being paid by people being ripped off. Just adds to the already negative appreciation I have of him, although it is oddly suiting.
The auction (say, a $350 iPod touch) starts at $0.01. In order to bid, you buy tokens at a rate of 25 for $10.00, or $.40/bid. Each bid is in an increment of one cent. When the iPod is 20 seconds or less from expiring, any additional bids increase the time from expiration by 20s. So, an iPod touch for $1.00 has already earned the website $40.00. If it goes the way of Ebay, where items routinely auction for their average retail price or even say, $50 less than retail, they stand to make a massive profit. A sale of $300 for that iPod touch ends up making a profit for the website of $12,000. Meanwhile all the money spent on those tokens by everyone but the very last person, the "lottery winner" is gone forever.
IE. If you bid and don't win, you don't get your tokens or money back. Site sells tokens at a disproportionate rate and makes a ridiculous amount of money.
1 token = $0.40 (Customers money) 1 bid = +$0.01 (Increase in item, costs 1 token) +$0.01 (Item sale price increases by $0.01) = $0.40 ($0.01 increase in sale price cost customer $0.40)
Also, I don't want to advertise for them at all, but felt it might be relevant for TL'ers to know where Sixjax get's it's money from (ripping people off). If any of this is inappropriate, remove at will and sorry!
On April 12 2011 09:48 jester- wrote: I think the thing I hate most about this is the fact that Sixjax is a shady auction website, so this guy is being paid by people being ripped off. Just adds to the already negative appreciation I have of him, although it is oddly suiting.
The auction (say, a $350 iPod touch) starts at $0.01. In order to bid, you buy tokens at a rate of 25 for $10.00, or $.40/bid. Each bid is in an increment of one cent. When the iPod is 20 seconds or less from expiring, any additional bids increase the time from expiration by 20s. So, an iPod touch for $1.00 has already earned the website $40.00. If it goes the way of Ebay, where items routinely auction for their average retail price or even say, $50 less than retail, they stand to make a massive profit. A sale of $300 for that iPod touch ends up making a profit for the website of $12,000. Meanwhile all the money spent on those tokens by everyone but the very last person, the "lottery winner" is gone forever.
IE. If you bid and don't win, you don't get your tokens or money back. Site sells tokens at a disproportionate rate and makes a ridiculous amount of money.
1 token = $0.40 (Customers money) 1 bid = +$0.01 (Increase in item, costs 1 token) +$0.01 (Item sale price increases by $0.01) = $0.40 ($0.01 increase in sale price cost customer $0.40)
Also, I don't want to advertise for them at all, but felt it might be relevant for TL'ers to know where Sixjax get's it's money from (ripping people off). If any of this is inappropriate, remove at will and sorry!
So you are re-posting a thread that got locked by admins on another site because it was a ridiculous post? Good job.
They are up front about the rules; there's nothing shady going on. It's a game, just because you don't win doesn't mean the site is a rip off, it just means someone else won.
On April 12 2011 10:02 hydra21 wrote: So you are re-posting a thread that got locked by admins on another site because it was a ridiculous post? Good job.
They are up front about the rules; there's nothing shady going on. It's a game, just because you don't win doesn't mean the site is a rip off, it just means someone else won.
That site = This site, right? It got locked because the admins didn't want some scam website being advertised. Calling it a "game" is borderline hilarious when all it is is an auction website where you buy tokens instead of bidding with real value money. Do you buy your Gf blood diamonds too and justify it because they're cheap?
Edit: Anyway, I posted it up for discussion, if it isn't appropriate for discussion it will be removed.
Also. Look at the page right now. The GPS is at almost $1.00 right? Don't you think it's misleading and shady that there has already been $40.00 worth of bids on that item at this point?
On April 12 2011 10:02 hydra21 wrote: So you are re-posting a thread that got locked by admins on another site because it was a ridiculous post? Good job.
They are up front about the rules; there's nothing shady going on. It's a game, just because you don't win doesn't mean the site is a rip off, it just means someone else won.
That site = This site, right? It got locked because the admins didn't want some scam website being advertised. Calling it a "game" is borderline hilarious when all it is is an auction website where you buy tokens instead of bidding with real value money. Do you buy your Gf blood diamonds too and justify it because they're cheap?
Edit: Anyway, I posted it up for discussion, if it isn't appropriate for discussion it will be removed.
If you don't want to get "ripped off" by the website then don't use it. Is that a hard concept to understand?
On April 12 2011 10:02 hydra21 wrote: So you are re-posting a thread that got locked by admins on another site because it was a ridiculous post? Good job.
They are up front about the rules; there's nothing shady going on. It's a game, just because you don't win doesn't mean the site is a rip off, it just means someone else won.
That site = This site, right? It got locked because the admins didn't want some scam website being advertised. Calling it a "game" is borderline hilarious when all it is is an auction website where you buy tokens instead of bidding with real value money. Do you buy your Gf blood diamonds too and justify it because they're cheap?
Edit: Anyway, I posted it up for discussion, if it isn't appropriate for discussion it will be removed.
Do you realize how ridiculous what you said is?
It's a site where you bid to buy something at reduced value. Before people invented the "penny auction" name the model was referred to a bidding fee auction. It's not some crazy ponzi scheme; It's pretty straight forward.
I am not going to go back and forth with you on this because it is taking away from the announcement artosis made. Good job hijacking the thread.
edit:
On April 12 2011 10:12 jester- wrote: Also. Look at the page right now. The GPS is at almost $1.00 right? Don't you think it's misleading and shady that there has already been $40.00 worth of bids on that item at this point?
Oh so the problem is you don't want the website to make any money so they can't continue putting money into esports? Ok gotcha. It looks like someone is about to win a gps for a dollar and others are getting points for the reward store. That's what it looks like to me.
Blah say what you want, this thread was hijacked hundreds of posts ago. I haven't used the website and don't plan on it. It's a site designed to rip dumb people off, plain and simple.
On April 12 2011 10:19 jester- wrote: Blah say what you want, this thread was hijacked hundreds of posts ago. I haven't used the website and don't plan on it. It's a site designed to rip dumb people off, plain and simple.
Like a casino? House always wins just like the site always wins. People go to a casino to play games and gamble. Same with the site.
On April 12 2011 10:19 jester- wrote: Blah say what you want, this thread was hijacked hundreds of posts ago. I haven't used the website and don't plan on it. It's a site designed to rip dumb people off, plain and simple.
On April 12 2011 10:19 jester- wrote: Blah say what you want, this thread was hijacked hundreds of posts ago. I haven't used the website and don't plan on it. It's a site designed to rip dumb people off, plain and simple.
Like a casino? House always wins just like the site always wins. People go to a casino to play games and gamble. Same with the site.
Apparently he doesn't get that.
So... back on topic...
Juan has lasted 2 days! haha
And seems to be doing pretty well on ladder as sixjaxTerran with a 81%+ win perc
On April 12 2011 10:19 jester- wrote: Blah say what you want, this thread was hijacked hundreds of posts ago. I haven't used the website and don't plan on it. It's a site designed to rip dumb people off, plain and simple.
Like a casino? House always wins just like the site always wins. People go to a casino to play games and gamble. Same with the site.
Apparently he doesn't get that.
So... back on topic...
Juan has lasted 2 days! haha
And seems to be doing pretty well on ladder as sixjaxTerran with a 81%+ win perc
I hope to see Juan do good. I want him to finally settle to a team so i can see how good he can get.
Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $5.30 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
On April 12 2011 10:19 jester- wrote: Blah say what you want, this thread was hijacked hundreds of posts ago. I haven't used the website and don't plan on it. It's a site designed to rip dumb people off, plain and simple.
Like a casino? House always wins just like the site always wins. People go to a casino to play games and gamble. Same with the site.
Apparently he doesn't get that.
So... back on topic...
Juan has lasted 2 days! haha
And seems to be doing pretty well on ladder as sixjaxTerran with a 81%+ win perc
I hope to see Juan do good. I want him to finally settle to a team so i can see how good he can get.
Yeah, he has improved a scary amount since the matches I saw Catz stream a month or two back; he barely knew anything about the game.
I am honestly comparing him to terran players from Q4 last year because I feel experience wise it's the best comparison... and he's miles ahead of where most people were at that time. I think if he had started from beta he'd be a monster by now.
On April 12 2011 10:29 jester- wrote: Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $12.00 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
Are you under the impression that that 60 bucks comes from one person? It's not. People put in what they're willing to lose. And the site isn't hiding the fact what the tokens cost. It says so right on the damn homepage, can you not read?
And the GPS costs a hell of a lot more than 60 bucks
Go be an angry troll somewhere else. This thread is about a starcraft player named Juan, stop derailing it.
On April 12 2011 10:29 jester- wrote: Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $5.30 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
I don't see how it's misleading at all. Seems like all the rules are clearly laid out.
On April 12 2011 10:29 jester- wrote: Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $12.00 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
Are you under the impression that that 60 bucks comes from one person? It's not. People put in what they're willing to lose. And the site isn't hiding the fact what the tokens cost. It says so right on the damn homepage, can you not read?
And the GPS costs a hell of a lot more than 60 bucks
Go be an angry troll somewhere else. This thread is about a starcraft player named Juan, stop derailing it.
edit: sorry for the double post
Where were your posts about Juan before I posted 15 minutes ago? You are dodging the issue by feigning interest in Terran. I'm not angry or a troll and clearly you have no ethical morality if you think this type of scheme is an honest way of making money.
On April 12 2011 10:29 jester- wrote: Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $5.30 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
I don't see how it's misleading at all. Seems like all the rules are clearly laid out.
They are. The problem is stupid people don't read the rules and then complain about how they were tricked.
On April 12 2011 10:37 jester- wrote: Where were your posts about Juan before I posted 15 minutes ago? You are dodging the issue by feigning interest in Terran. I'm not angry or a troll and clearly you have no ethical morality if you think this type of scheme is an honest way of making money.
On page 2.... and page 3... and page 5.... and page 5 again... etc... you would know that though if you didn't have a habit of not reading anything before jumping to a conclusion...
On April 12 2011 10:29 jester- wrote: Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $5.30 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
I don't see how it's misleading at all. Seems like all the rules are clearly laid out.
They are. The problem is stupid people don't read the rules and then complain about how they were tricked.
On April 12 2011 10:37 jester- wrote: Where were your posts about Juan before I posted 15 minutes ago? You are dodging the issue by feigning interest in Terran. I'm not angry or a troll and clearly you have no ethical morality if you think this type of scheme is an honest way of making money.
On page 2.... and page 3... and page 5.... and page 5 again... etc... you would know that though if you read anything before jumping to a conclusion... seems to be your problem.
Keep attacking me personally to try to justify your position, I don't care. I've read this thread more than once and I know exactly how the website operates. My point was that you popped in here to write a rebuttal to my post, then jumped ship and starting randomly babbling about Juan to pretend like you are staying on topic. Here's the last thing I'll quote from that thread:
It's 1001 people being stupid, but one of them is lucky.
Since they get 40 cents for every 1 cent bid, something that ends at 10% of its actual value still gives them a 300% RoI. A $100 item that sells for $3 is a 20% profit for the site owners.
It's shady because you're essentially raffling off items, but have no cap on number of tickets sold or duration the item is up, and profit disproportionately to the value of the item. I also imagine the protection against automated bidding programs is nonexistent.
You'd have to be retarded to think Jigs is some unbiased source, coming in to chip in his 2 cents to clear up disillusionment. Though that's almost a dollar in sixjax cash!
Making comparisons to craps or blackjack or the lotto is ridiculous. The only thing in common is you're gambling in a system where the house always wins. The methodology here is far more sinister.
By changing money into currency that has an odd ratio of value, you distance the person from the concept of how much money they're actually spending - bid a couple pennies, lose a couple dollars. By having the value of the item posted, you're anchoring it in the bidder's mind. You don't know how many people you're competing against.
There's nothing illegal, or close to illegal about it. It's just taking advantage of people, especially considering how they were trying to build up a community, only to fleece them.
Keep being overly defensive because Artosis is the captain of this team though.
On April 12 2011 10:29 jester- wrote: Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $12.00 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
Are you under the impression that that 60 bucks comes from one person? It's not. People put in what they're willing to lose. And the site isn't hiding the fact what the tokens cost. It says so right on the damn homepage, can you not read?
And the GPS costs a hell of a lot more than 60 bucks
Go be an angry troll somewhere else. This thread is about a starcraft player named Juan, stop derailing it.
edit: sorry for the double post
Where were your posts about Juan before I posted 15 minutes ago? You are dodging the issue by feigning interest in Terran. I'm not angry or a troll and clearly you have no ethical morality if you think this type of scheme is an honest way of making money.
Seriously Jester go away, this thread is about the signing of a player, not the site itself. If you really have that much of a moral hardship then i suggest you make a thread to inform everyone of the present threat...
On April 12 2011 10:29 jester- wrote: Rofl. I love when companies put money into E-sports, but you can't pull the e-sports card for everything, especially shady crap like this. Next thing you know the KKK is going to sponsor a gaming team and route people to their website.
The GPS is a dollar eh? How about the fact that each bid costs 40 cents and increases the item a penny? Sounds like you are a perfect candidate to use the website. It's $1.50 now ->$60.
It isn't the website making money that is the issue, it's the fact that they mislead all of their customers with this gimmicky conversion system that is only in place to take people's money. The breakeven point on that thing is like $5.30 in bids, tell me that isn't shady, go ahead. Also, nothing like a casino.
I don't see how it's misleading at all. Seems like all the rules are clearly laid out.
They are. The problem is stupid people don't read the rules and then complain about how they were tricked.
On April 12 2011 10:37 jester- wrote: Where were your posts about Juan before I posted 15 minutes ago? You are dodging the issue by feigning interest in Terran. I'm not angry or a troll and clearly you have no ethical morality if you think this type of scheme is an honest way of making money.
On page 2.... and page 3... and page 5.... and page 5 again... etc... you would know that though if you read anything before jumping to a conclusion... seems to be your problem.
Keep attacking me personally to try to justify your position, I don't care. I've read this thread more than once and I know exactly how the website operates. My point was that you popped in here to write a rebuttal to my post, then jumped ship and starting randomly babbling about Juan to pretend like you are staying on topic. Here's the last thing I'll quote from that thread:
It's 1001 people being stupid, but one of them is lucky.
Since they get 40 cents for every 1 cent bid, something that ends at 10% of its actual value still gives them a 300% RoI. A $100 item that sells for $3 is a 20% profit for the site owners.
It's shady because you're essentially raffling off items, but have no cap on number of tickets sold or duration the item is up, and profit disproportionately to the value of the item. I also imagine the protection against automated bidding programs is nonexistent.
You'd have to be retarded to think Jigs is some unbiased source, coming in to chip in his 2 cents to clear up disillusionment. Though that's almost a dollar in sixjax cash!
Making comparisons to craps or blackjack or the lotto is ridiculous. The only thing in common is you're gambling in a system where the house always wins. The methodology here is far more sinister.
By changing money into currency that has an odd ratio of value, you distance the person from the concept of how much money they're actually spending - bid a couple pennies, lose a couple dollars. By having the value of the item posted, you're anchoring it in the bidder's mind. You don't know how many people you're competing against.
There's nothing illegal, or close to illegal about it. It's just taking advantage of people, especially considering how they were trying to build up a community, only to fleece them.
Keep being overly defensive because Artosis is the captain of this team though.
Stop trying to derail the thread anymore than you already have.
On April 11 2011 10:27 HyDrO-NP- wrote: It sounds to me like he is not sure what he wants to do. "I've been looking for sponsors because of serious the foreigner SC2 scene is, and I feel like I should be rewarded financially for how much time I've been planning to put in." I hope he misspoke there. There are a lot of people that put a ton of time into playing SC2 and looking for sponsors. By that statement it sounds like he isn't willing to put the time in until he gets paid. Kind of like looking for a job that requires college and saying "I've been planning to go to college, once you pay me I will go". Doesn't sound good at all.
lol the part about this that pisses me off is this guy expects so much, when he's only played the game for a month. We get it, you were good at BW, but you expect teams to throw godless amounts of money at you when you haven't proven shit except for a fair bit of potential?
A little arrogant of him. I wonder if he quit before or after root got those mega sponsors.
edit: Assuming they didn't post immediately when he left.
If I ran a team I'd pay good money for any A-/A iccup player.
It's obvious that the only posters in this thread right now are disillusioned fanboys. I'd apologize for "hijacking" the thread if it didn't already have 200+ off topic posts and unrelated material that was LESS relevant than what I posted.
Sometimes I wonder what discussion would be like on here if every other poster wasn't just posting to attract moderation (Almost every poster on this page has done this and you know it )
On April 12 2011 10:58 jester- wrote: It's obvious that the only posters in this thread are disillusioned fanboys. I'd apologize for "hijacking" the thread if it didn't already have 200+ off topic posts and unrelated material that was LESS relevant than what I posted.
Sometimes I wonder what discussion would be like on here if every other poster wasn't just posting to attract moderation (Almost every poster on this page has done this and you know it )
How are you not getting this? We aren't hinting at it, we are straight out asking you to stop hijacking the thread.
Almost every post before yours was about either Juan or Artosis, stop trying to justify your parade of stupid.
On April 12 2011 10:58 jester- wrote: It's obvious that the only posters in this thread are disillusioned fanboys. I'd apologize for "hijacking" the thread if it didn't already have 200+ off topic posts and unrelated material that was LESS relevant than what I posted.
Sometimes I wonder what discussion would be like on here if every other poster wasn't just posting to attract moderation (Almost every poster on this page has done this and you know it )
How are you not getting this? We aren't hinting at it, we are straight out asking you to stop hijacking the thread.
Almost every post before yours was about either Juan or Artosis, stop trying to justify your parade of stupid.
Blah, blah. You call it hijacking because it doesn't ring to the tune you want to hear. Again, I've been polite in every post I've made, unlike you. From what I understand, it isn't your place to tell me what to do on this website regardless, so if a mod wants me to stop posting I'll gladly show myself the door.
On April 12 2011 10:58 jester- wrote: It's obvious that the only posters in this thread are disillusioned fanboys. I'd apologize for "hijacking" the thread if it didn't already have 200+ off topic posts and unrelated material that was LESS relevant than what I posted.
Sometimes I wonder what discussion would be like on here if every other poster wasn't just posting to attract moderation (Almost every poster on this page has done this and you know it )
How are you not getting this? We aren't hinting at it, we are straight out asking you to stop hijacking the thread.
Almost every post before yours was about either Juan or Artosis, stop trying to justify your parade of stupid.
Blah, blah. You call it hijacking because it doesn't ring to the tune you want to hear. Again, I've been polite in every post I've made, unlike you. From what I understand, it isn't your place to tell me what to do on this website regardless, so if a mod wants me to stop posting I'll gladly show myself the door.
You mean because it has nothing to do with why the topic was started?
On April 12 2011 10:58 jester- wrote: It's obvious that the only posters in this thread are disillusioned fanboys. I'd apologize for "hijacking" the thread if it didn't already have 200+ off topic posts and unrelated material that was LESS relevant than what I posted.
Sometimes I wonder what discussion would be like on here if every other poster wasn't just posting to attract moderation (Almost every poster on this page has done this and you know it )
How are you not getting this? We aren't hinting at it, we are straight out asking you to stop hijacking the thread.
Almost every post before yours was about either Juan or Artosis, stop trying to justify your parade of stupid.
Blah, blah. You call it hijacking because it doesn't ring to the tune you want to hear. Again, I've been polite in every post I've made, unlike you. From what I understand, it isn't your place to tell me what to do on this website regardless, so if a mod wants me to stop posting I'll gladly show myself the door.
You mean because it has nothing to do with why the topic was started?
My entire post was about the team this thread is dedicated to. Juan joins SixJax. My post is about SixJax. Artosis and Juan are part of SixJax. Part of the thread was dedicated to the financial situation.
On April 12 2011 10:58 jester- wrote: It's obvious that the only posters in this thread are disillusioned fanboys. I'd apologize for "hijacking" the thread if it didn't already have 200+ off topic posts and unrelated material that was LESS relevant than what I posted.
Sometimes I wonder what discussion would be like on here if every other poster wasn't just posting to attract moderation (Almost every poster on this page has done this and you know it )
How are you not getting this? We aren't hinting at it, we are straight out asking you to stop hijacking the thread.
Almost every post before yours was about either Juan or Artosis, stop trying to justify your parade of stupid.
Blah, blah. You call it hijacking because it doesn't ring to the tune you want to hear. Again, I've been polite in every post I've made, unlike you. From what I understand, it isn't your place to tell me what to do on this website regardless, so if a mod wants me to stop posting I'll gladly show myself the door.
You mean because it has nothing to do with why the topic was started?
My entire post was about the team this thread is dedicated to. Juan joins SixJax. My post is about SixJax. Artosis and Juan are part of SixJax. Part of the thread was dedicated to the financial situation.
How about taking your fingers out of your ears?
Edit: Cool, bye.
I wanted to ignore you so badly but this needed a reply... related =/= identical
Thread: Polar Bears are cool animals. They have interesting hunting habits and their fur lets them blend into the snow.
Random person: I like polar bears too
Random idiot: I like snow. It snows a lot where I am from. I also read an article about how much snow there is in the Arctic. White fur is cool, my mom has a white fur coat; she wears it when it is snowing.
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Your post was not about the team, it was about their sponsor. Why don't you jump into a fnaticMSI thread and talk about how much you hate msi? You wouldn't do that would you?
i think it's an ok pickup. There are already 2 good T players in sixjax (dde and mihai). I think the tean need more P players. But Kitty will probably fit well in the team since they're mostly really young dudes. Good luck to him.
On April 12 2011 10:58 jester- wrote: It's obvious that the only posters in this thread are disillusioned fanboys. I'd apologize for "hijacking" the thread if it didn't already have 200+ off topic posts and unrelated material that was LESS relevant than what I posted.
Sometimes I wonder what discussion would be like on here if every other poster wasn't just posting to attract moderation (Almost every poster on this page has done this and you know it )
How are you not getting this? We aren't hinting at it, we are straight out asking you to stop hijacking the thread.
Almost every post before yours was about either Juan or Artosis, stop trying to justify your parade of stupid.
Blah, blah. You call it hijacking because it doesn't ring to the tune you want to hear. Again, I've been polite in every post I've made, unlike you. From what I understand, it isn't your place to tell me what to do on this website regardless, so if a mod wants me to stop posting I'll gladly show myself the door.
You mean because it has nothing to do with why the topic was started?
My entire post was about the team this thread is dedicated to. Juan joins SixJax. My post is about SixJax. Artosis and Juan are part of SixJax. Part of the thread was dedicated to the financial situation.
How about taking your fingers out of your ears?
Edit: Cool, bye.
I wanted to ignore you so badly but this needed a reply... related =/= identical
Thread: Polar Bears are cool animals. They have interesting hunting habits and their fur lets them blend into the snow.
Random person: I like polar bears too
Random idiot: I like snow. It snows a lot where I am from. I also read an article about how much snow there is in the Arctic. White fur is cool, my mom has a white fur coat; she wears it when it is snowing.
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Your post was not about the team, it was about their sponsor. Why don't you jump into a fnaticMSI thread and talk about how much you hate msi? You wouldn't do that would you?
Pretty hilarious changing your post after I PM you to continue the conversation instead of pm'ing me back. Should I bother pointing out more flaws in your argument via pm or will you just come here and edit it again?
He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.
haha "the money would have been there" I dont think people get into pro-sc2 for money... at least not until flash/jaedong/bisu eventually come over and take most of it.
He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.
haha "the money would have been there" I dont think people get into pro-sc2 for money... at least not until flash/jaedong/bisu eventually come over and take most of it.
Actually, Juan (gositerran) said himself that he felt he deserved to get paid and ROOT didn't agree. He team hopped until he got a salary + expenses covered, so yeah, I'd say he's here for the money.
He left ROOT not too long after they got their three major sponsors. He bailed on All 4 One to join ROOT (read it in the post about him leaving ROOT, I could very well be wrong). Granted, it didn't seem like he was clicking with the other team members anyway, but the money would have been there had he stayed with ROOT.
haha "the money would have been there" I dont think people get into pro-sc2 for money... at least not until flash/jaedong/bisu eventually come over and take most of it.
There's something elegant about this post I really like. Anyway, I think Artosis made a good pickup. If anyone, Artosis is the most well fit captain for Terran and it will work out well.
He needs to be funded to go to events and the like. Apparently ROOT's sponsors were only trial sponsors, meaning they wouldn't pay for travel expenses yet. Basically the same thing qxc did. He needed a team that would be able to send him places to play, as it is very expensive to try to pay for that on your own... especially if you are training 8+ hours a day.
I think it's a great pickup, and I hope that Juan stays there. Artosis will be sure to devote a lot of his time to improving Juan's play, and I think that he will be able to post great results in tournaments really soon.
The Mexican 'Superstar' has yet to accomplish anything other than what we know from his BW play. Artosis is using the Korean model to recruit; the kid has great mechanics in BW and he's super fast. You hear this one a lot. The same could be said about players like Flash and July when they were discovered. It's a solid foundation, but they still had to earn it..
I'm a firm believer in earning your own keep. In Root, it sounds like he didn't earn anything yet. I'm sorry, you don't get the BoxeR treatment on your previous limited successes.
Gosi has low mileage in SC2 and he wants everything handled to him on a silver platter? It doesn't work that way everywhere. It's fortunate situation for him. That's all.
On April 12 2011 09:48 jester- wrote: I think the thing I hate most about this is the fact that Sixjax is a shady auction website, so this guy is being paid by people being ripped off. Just adds to the already negative appreciation I have of him, although it is oddly suiting.
The auction (say, a $350 iPod touch) starts at $0.01. In order to bid, you buy tokens at a rate of 25 for $10.00, or $.40/bid. Each bid is in an increment of one cent. When the iPod is 20 seconds or less from expiring, any additional bids increase the time from expiration by 20s. So, an iPod touch for $1.00 has already earned the website $40.00. If it goes the way of Ebay, where items routinely auction for their average retail price or even say, $50 less than retail, they stand to make a massive profit. A sale of $300 for that iPod touch ends up making a profit for the website of $12,000. Meanwhile all the money spent on those tokens by everyone but the very last person, the "lottery winner" is gone forever.
IE. If you bid and don't win, you don't get your tokens or money back. Site sells tokens at a disproportionate rate and makes a ridiculous amount of money.
1 token = $0.40 (Customers money) 1 bid = +$0.01 (Increase in item, costs 1 token) +$0.01 (Item sale price increases by $0.01) = $0.40 ($0.01 increase in sale price cost customer $0.40)
Also, I don't want to advertise for them at all, but felt it might be relevant for TL'ers to know where Sixjax get's it's money from (ripping people off). If any of this is inappropriate, remove at will and sorry!
People using the site use it knowing the situation they are gambling on. If they win something they chances are they won whatever at a much lower cost to them. The people that lost knew they were gambling on it. You can't really knock a site for auctioning stuff in a unique manner, if people wanna do it then they will, it's not like the site is stealing money from them.
On topic though: Hope it works out well for sixjax, the line up looks pretty good from what I've seen so far.
On April 19 2011 13:05 Hazu~ wrote: He is ranked #1 in the ladder right now, can't wait to see more of this guy! : )
Yeah, say what you will about the guy but his work ethic is unbelievable. This is the second account he's been able to get #1 on SC2ranks in a month and a half. I thought he was going to be bummed when he had to start from scratch on his Sixjaxgaming account, but he just got to grinding.
On April 27 2011 09:57 Clawlock wrote: Anyone else think that names like Terran seem unoriginal? Like seeing players named "Computer", "Kerrigan", or "Tassadar".
Pick a name for yourself bro! Even his previous "I get it - he's using irony" names were way better: Princess, Britney, and Kitty
How is it even related to topic? May be he likes that name :s
On April 27 2011 09:57 Clawlock wrote: Anyone else think that names like Terran seem unoriginal? Like seeing players named "Computer", "Kerrigan", or "Tassadar".
Pick a name for yourself bro! Even his previous "I get it - he's using irony" names were way better: Princess, Britney, and Kitty
How is it even related to topic? May be he likes that name :s
Obviously not because he changed his name....again. lol
On April 27 2011 09:57 Clawlock wrote: Anyone else think that names like Terran seem unoriginal? Like seeing players named "Computer", "Kerrigan", or "Tassadar".
Pick a name for yourself bro! Even his previous "I get it - he's using irony" names were way better: Princess, Britney, and Kitty
How is it even related to topic? May be he likes that name :s
Obviously not because he changed his name....again. lol
On April 27 2011 09:57 Clawlock wrote: Anyone else think that names like Terran seem unoriginal? Like seeing players named "Computer", "Kerrigan", or "Tassadar".
Pick a name for yourself bro! Even his previous "I get it - he's using irony" names were way better: Princess, Britney, and Kitty
How is it even related to topic? May be he likes that name :s
Obviously not because he changed his name....again. lol
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
What a terrible bump... lmfao
Either way, I'm pretty sure iNcontroL thinks Major/Memory/Princess/Kitty is a good player. I believe his reaction was to him more as a personality, and how consistently he switches teams.
Regardless, good job trying to be an asshole for no reason.
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
What a terrible bump... lmfao
Either way, I'm pretty sure iNcontroL thinks Major/Memory/Princess/Kitty is a good player. I believe his reaction was to him more as a personality, and how consistently he switches teams.
Regardless, good job trying to be an asshole for no reason.
Oh, you mean how that poster was trying to be an asshole on a team welcoming a new member?
Life isnt a one way street fella, might need to rethink your philosophy.
That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
Incontrol wasn't insulting him, he just found it funny that he changes teams a lot. Now look at how you're attempting to insult iNcontrol when at the end of the day you're no one, lol.
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
Incontrol wasn't insulting him, he just found it funny that he changes teams a lot. Now look at how you're attempting to insult iNcontrol when at the end of the day you're no one, lol.
Not insulting anyone, just think its interesting how many bashed him joining the team, now look at how much the team is improved and how well hes done with them, stuck with them, and embraced them.
He wa sjust the first poster that insulted it, as you can see(if you read the thread) it was on page 1, another poster thought the same thing.
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
What a terrible bump... lmfao
Either way, I'm pretty sure iNcontroL thinks Major/Memory/Princess/Kitty is a good player. I believe his reaction was to him more as a personality, and how consistently he switches teams.
Regardless, good job trying to be an asshole for no reason.
Oh, you mean how that poster was trying to be an asshole on a team welcoming a new member?
Life isnt a one way street fella, might need to rethink your philosophy.
Ahh the eye for an eye method. Well if you really think that is the best philosophy then I don't think I can convince you. For the record, I never even commented on incs post, so you really aren't proving anything with your comment either.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
What a terrible bump... lmfao
Either way, I'm pretty sure iNcontroL thinks Major/Memory/Princess/Kitty is a good player. I believe his reaction was to him more as a personality, and how consistently he switches teams.
Regardless, good job trying to be an asshole for no reason.
Oh, you mean how that poster was trying to be an asshole on a team welcoming a new member?
Life isnt a one way street fella, might need to rethink your philosophy.
Ahh the eye for an eye method. Well if you really think that is the best philosophy then I don't think I can convince you. For the record, I never even commented on incs post, so you really aren't proving anything with your comment either.
So you didnt comment on his post, but you talked about their 'relationship'? Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense, but again you nitpick points that only help yourself and keep a blind eye to the situation, but I guess thats what people do to insult without reason.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
What a terrible bump... lmfao
Either way, I'm pretty sure iNcontroL thinks Major/Memory/Princess/Kitty is a good player. I believe his reaction was to him more as a personality, and how consistently he switches teams.
Regardless, good job trying to be an asshole for no reason.
Oh, you mean how that poster was trying to be an asshole on a team welcoming a new member?
Life isnt a one way street fella, might need to rethink your philosophy.
Ahh the eye for an eye method. Well if you really think that is the best philosophy then I don't think I can convince you. For the record, I never even commented on incs post, so you really aren't proving anything with your comment either.
So you didnt comment on his post, but you talked about their 'relationship'? Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense, but again you nitpick points that only help yourself and keep a blind eye to the situation, but I guess thats what people do to insult without reason.
Surprised you didnt insult me a second time!
What? First off, "surprised you didn't insult me a second time!" When did I insult you the first time? You were clearly trying to be an ass by bumping it for the intention of shoving a loss in someone's face.
But more to the point, I ignored the irrelevant information. The fact is you tried to shove a loss in a players face based off of a quote, but the quote had nothing to do with the player.
You should really stop now. You're making yourself look worse and worse.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
On June 11 2011 16:28 XsebT wrote: SSLPrism, now would be a good time to shut up, you have no idea what they're talking about and it's making you look really stupid.
Good to see you can back up your post with such excellent data.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Is your bump not a blatant contradiction of you saying that?
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Is your bump not a blatant contradiction of you saying that?
Don't mean to be rude here at all, but did you even read my post?
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Lmfao... you brought up MLG, yet you are now claiming that the match at MLG where inc lost has nothing to do with anything you are saying? You are a joke. You aren't fooling anyone.... well maybe yourself.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Lmfao... you brought up MLG, yet you are now claiming that the match at MLG where inc lost has nothing to do with anything you are saying? You are a joke. You aren't fooling anyone.... well maybe yourself.
Don't know what you mean? It does have something to do with MLG, he played someone that criticized him/the team in this thread, and absolutely outclassed him. But even outside that match @ MLG he showed countless times in his interviews his dedication to sixjax.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Is your bump not a blatant contradiction of you saying that?
Don't mean to be rude here at all, but did you even read my post?
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Is your bump not a blatant contradiction of you saying that?
Don't mean to be rude here at all, but did you even read my post?
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
You're changing your story awfully fast.
Well I guess we just see different ways then, because to me you're completely misunderstanding my point, which I guess you think something else, which is fine.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Lmfao... you brought up MLG, yet you are now claiming that the match at MLG where inc lost has nothing to do with anything you are saying? You are a joke. You aren't fooling anyone.... well maybe yourself.
Don't know what you mean? It does have something to do with MLG, he played someone that criticized him/the team in this thread, and absolutely outclassed him. But even outside that match @ MLG he showed countless times in his interviews his dedication to sixjax.
Ok Let's get this clear. What exactly do you think inc was referencing with his post?
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Is your bump not a blatant contradiction of you saying that?
Don't mean to be rude here at all, but did you even read my post?
On June 11 2011 16:18 SSLPrism wrote:
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
You're changing your story awfully fast.
Well I guess we just see different ways then, because to me you're completely misunderstanding my point, which I guess you think something else, which is fine.
No, you're just trying to save your own ass. Maybe you've actually convinced yourself, or maybe you are trolling, but you definitely changed your story.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Is your bump not a blatant contradiction of you saying that?
Don't mean to be rude here at all, but did you even read my post?
On June 11 2011 16:18 SSLPrism wrote:
On April 10 2011 15:30 iNcontroL wrote: OH SWEET JESUS LOL
Sorry to bump this, but:
The irony, hows MLG taste?
You're changing your story awfully fast.
Well I guess we just see different ways then, because to me you're completely misunderstanding my point, which I guess you think something else, which is fine.
Then what is your point? Enlighten us. Because all you seem to be doing is insulting iNcontroL on the fact that he lost to a great player.
On June 11 2011 16:22 dcemuser wrote: That was probably one of the worst bumps I've seen.
Incontrol was likely commenting on his apparent team commitment issues, as was everyone else in the first half of the thread. MLG just proves he is a good player... which doesn't conflict with what Incontrol said...
You havent watched the interview have you then? Hes complemented the coach(artosis) on being a great guy, and said how he enjoys his team and likes practicing/talking with them.
Isnt an insult on anyone, just a bump to see how everyone felt at a time, and a guy proved them all wrong.
Ok so first you are trying to shove the fact that inc lost to Major/Memory in his face, but now you are saying "lol jk, I was just bumping to show that he is still on the team!"
?
No, I didnt bump it to shove that the fact, though I did quote his post becuase he was one of the first posters, so yes you can call it shoving, but that would be what I would call a 'side' point to the subject.
Not bumping to show hes on the team, bumping to show how people will jump to hate on a player for whatever reason, and its glad to see the player prove them wrong.
But then again I guess you're just completely ignoring my posts.
Is your bump not a blatant contradiction of you saying that?
Don't mean to be rude here at all, but did you even read my post?
EPT
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goodluck with that boy artosis, you gonna need it ~
