• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:05
CET 04:05
KST 12:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 284HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? 2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Quickbooks Payroll Service Official Guide Quickbooks Customer Service Official Guide
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1530 users

Savior plays BW games on Afreeca - Page 5

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 69 70 71 Next
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7823 Posts
March 06 2011 11:20 GMT
#81
KT coach mad Savior took Lux on the wrong path
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
March 06 2011 11:24 GMT
#82
I wonder if he would be allowed to play in the sc2 leagues
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 06 2011 11:27 GMT
#83
On March 06 2011 20:07 fearus wrote:
Honesty, I think people are overreacting to what Savior did.

Sport cheats who have been caught deliberately cheating in their own matches are only suspended for a year or two.

And consider those foreigners who had been caught maphacking or match fixing for TSL. How many of them are still playing competitive games?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
March 06 2011 11:27 GMT
#84
On March 06 2011 20:24 optical630 wrote:
I wonder if he would be allowed to play in the sc2 leagues

It was already stated in August(?) that those involved in the match-fixing cannot take part in the GSL.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
March 06 2011 11:30 GMT
#85
I would love to see some vods too. Someone must have recorded them for sure.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
March 06 2011 11:31 GMT
#86
Link the vods?
asdasdasdasdasd123123123
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 06 2011 11:32 GMT
#87
On March 06 2011 19:18 Aus)MaCrO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:
I genuinely don't understand how what savior did was wrong. Was he paid for playing ?


He acted as a conduit of sorts between the betting community and progamers who were willing to throw games. I think he threw some games himself for money, then bet on himself to lose.

I'm not talking about the scandal, I'm talking about how it is wrong that he plays streamed game on Afreeca. Really, what is the problem ?
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
March 06 2011 11:37 GMT
#88
I don't think there's a problem, but I guess esports folk just want him to have absolutely nothing to do with Starcraft now.
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
March 06 2011 11:37 GMT
#89
On March 06 2011 20:32 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:18 Aus)MaCrO wrote:
On March 06 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:
I genuinely don't understand how what savior did was wrong. Was he paid for playing ?


He acted as a conduit of sorts between the betting community and progamers who were willing to throw games. I think he threw some games himself for money, then bet on himself to lose.

I'm not talking about the scandal, I'm talking about how it is wrong that he plays streamed game on Afreeca. Really, what is the problem ?


Well, maybe some people might have related this action to the return into the scene...
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
March 06 2011 11:47 GMT
#90
I'm for moderation in the case. He did a lot of bad shit, and for bad reasons, but the conditions the players work under somewhat mitigates it. as has been pointed out, it's not like the world of cyberathletes are saints, stuff like this happens a fair bit.

The kid has learned his lesson, and it's not like he's a hacker or drug abuser who got unfair victories. Saviour's skill is legit, and his crime is that he embarassed the game's ruling body a lot more than he damaged the legitimacy of the game (I mean, seriously, how much impact did it have on people questioning whether anyone's victories outside those who were prosecuted were legitimate? a bit at the time, but it died down quick).

He's on his first and last strike, but zero tolerance is too harsh on a teenager in such a stressful environment. One chance is fair, but only one.
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
March 06 2011 11:49 GMT
#91
On March 06 2011 17:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Any vods?

This was my first thought as well lol.

It wouldn't be so bad if he started to stream his FPview honsetly.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
March 06 2011 11:50 GMT
#92
People need to chill out. Sure Savior is a piece of shit, match fixed, blah blah blah but are you gonna take away his right to stream a couple of BW games? lol
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
March 06 2011 11:51 GMT
#93
Denying = proof of innocence?

This is not how law works.
If you are accusing someone of a deed YOU have to bring the proof.
As long as you didn't, the formula "innocent until proof of guilt was shown" applies.

Anyways, point of my post was: any VOD's of him playing?
t(','t)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 11:55:29
March 06 2011 11:54 GMT
#94
On March 06 2011 20:27 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:07 fearus wrote:
Honesty, I think people are overreacting to what Savior did.

Sport cheats who have been caught deliberately cheating in their own matches are only suspended for a year or two.

And consider those foreigners who had been caught maphacking or match fixing for TSL. How many of them are still playing competitive games?

TT1 Haypro Testie are the ones I can immediately think of... I'm not sure if VTSpades is the same Spades so can't say anything about that.

As for match fixing there's like a million of them still playing, most well-known probably Dimaga.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 12:21:05
March 06 2011 12:00 GMT
#95
On March 06 2011 20:12 r33k wrote:

The main issue is that while foreign fans strive to make e-sports look like actual legitimate sports 90% of the fans watching BW events live in korea are teenage girls with boyband syndrome..


And still Stork gets male-only fans :p
t(','t)
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
March 06 2011 12:04 GMT
#96
On March 06 2011 20:51 C.W. wrote:
Show nested quote +
Denying = proof of innocence?

This is not how law works.
If you are accusing someone of a deed YOU have to bring the proof.
As long as you didn't, the formula "innocent until proof of guilt was shown" applies.

Anyways, point of my post was: any VOD's of him playing?

I think you have a problem with sarcasm?

I have seen a VOD, but you can probably guess from how I started off the first post that I'm not going to be posting them up here.
C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
March 06 2011 12:20 GMT
#97
On March 06 2011 21:04 yoonyoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:51 C.W. wrote:
Denying = proof of innocence?

This is not how law works.
If you are accusing someone of a deed YOU have to bring the proof.
As long as you didn't, the formula "innocent until proof of guilt was shown" applies.

Anyways, point of my post was: any VOD's of him playing?

I think you have a problem with sarcasm?

I have seen a VOD, but you can probably guess from how I started off the first post that I'm not going to be posting them up here.


Of what kind?
I was just stating a general law systematic. Might have been kinda obsolete, but then it wasn't the point of the post.
Also it can be hard at times to make out sarcasm out of a written message when it isn't made absolutely clear.

@notpostingtheVOD: shame! :[
t(','t)
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
March 06 2011 12:21 GMT
#98
On March 06 2011 20:54 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:27 rabidch wrote:
On March 06 2011 20:07 fearus wrote:
Honesty, I think people are overreacting to what Savior did.

Sport cheats who have been caught deliberately cheating in their own matches are only suspended for a year or two.

And consider those foreigners who had been caught maphacking or match fixing for TSL. How many of them are still playing competitive games?

TT1 Haypro Testie are the ones I can immediately think of... I'm not sure if VTSpades is the same Spades so can't say anything about that.

As for match fixing there's like a million of them still playing, most well-known probably Dimaga.


Savior's match-fixing was much more serious than Dimaga's, and is much much more serious than hacking.
SC2 player for Flash eSports. twitch.tv/nether_drake, https://twitter.com/bryan_sum, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bryan-Drake-Sum/468389706519567
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
March 06 2011 12:34 GMT
#99
On March 06 2011 21:00 C.W. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:12 r33k wrote:

The main issue is that while foreign fans strive to make e-sports look like actual legitimate sports 90% of the fans watching BW events live in korea are teenage girls with boyband syndrome..


And still Stork gets male-only fans :p

Nope, he just had 2 male fans show up at the same time, which is 100% more than any other progamer in history.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 13:03:32
March 06 2011 12:58 GMT
#100
People saying it's not a big deal, do you not understand the negative impact and risk it made to the Korean eSports scene as a whole? Sponsors could have pulled out because of it and future sponsors of starleagues are probably put off by it. It endangered peoples livelihood so Savior could make money, as if his salary wasn't high for a washed up progamer anyway.. i don't know why people on here are so quick to forgive him or compare to the fucking TSL which is WORLDS apart. He went to court and was charged ffs he's wasn't smurfing on iccup.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 69 70 71 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Rongyi Cup S3 - Playoffs Day 3
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JimRising 626
RuFF_SC2 207
UpATreeSC 85
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 751
Shuttle 145
Hyuk 71
Noble 18
Dota 2
monkeys_forever554
NeuroSwarm69
LuMiX1
League of Legends
C9.Mang0364
Cuddl3bear6
Counter-Strike
taco 700
Foxcn254
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox440
Mew2King135
Other Games
summit1g7522
Day[9].tv896
ViBE70
Livibee34
Hui .0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1990
BasetradeTV1183
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 83
• Berry_CruncH77
• davetesta28
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21885
League of Legends
• Doublelift4026
• Scarra1672
Other Games
• Day9tv896
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
13h 55m
goblin vs Kelazhur
TriGGeR vs Krystianer
Replay Cast
20h 55m
RongYI Cup
1d 7h
herO vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 20h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.