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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
March 06 2011 11:20 GMT
#81
KT coach mad Savior took Lux on the wrong path
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
March 06 2011 11:24 GMT
#82
I wonder if he would be allowed to play in the sc2 leagues
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 06 2011 11:27 GMT
#83
On March 06 2011 20:07 fearus wrote:
Honesty, I think people are overreacting to what Savior did.

Sport cheats who have been caught deliberately cheating in their own matches are only suspended for a year or two.

And consider those foreigners who had been caught maphacking or match fixing for TSL. How many of them are still playing competitive games?
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yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
March 06 2011 11:27 GMT
#84
On March 06 2011 20:24 optical630 wrote:
I wonder if he would be allowed to play in the sc2 leagues

It was already stated in August(?) that those involved in the match-fixing cannot take part in the GSL.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
March 06 2011 11:30 GMT
#85
I would love to see some vods too. Someone must have recorded them for sure.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
March 06 2011 11:31 GMT
#86
Link the vods?
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 06 2011 11:32 GMT
#87
On March 06 2011 19:18 Aus)MaCrO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:
I genuinely don't understand how what savior did was wrong. Was he paid for playing ?


He acted as a conduit of sorts between the betting community and progamers who were willing to throw games. I think he threw some games himself for money, then bet on himself to lose.

I'm not talking about the scandal, I'm talking about how it is wrong that he plays streamed game on Afreeca. Really, what is the problem ?
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
March 06 2011 11:37 GMT
#88
I don't think there's a problem, but I guess esports folk just want him to have absolutely nothing to do with Starcraft now.
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
March 06 2011 11:37 GMT
#89
On March 06 2011 20:32 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:18 Aus)MaCrO wrote:
On March 06 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:
I genuinely don't understand how what savior did was wrong. Was he paid for playing ?


He acted as a conduit of sorts between the betting community and progamers who were willing to throw games. I think he threw some games himself for money, then bet on himself to lose.

I'm not talking about the scandal, I'm talking about how it is wrong that he plays streamed game on Afreeca. Really, what is the problem ?


Well, maybe some people might have related this action to the return into the scene...
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
March 06 2011 11:47 GMT
#90
I'm for moderation in the case. He did a lot of bad shit, and for bad reasons, but the conditions the players work under somewhat mitigates it. as has been pointed out, it's not like the world of cyberathletes are saints, stuff like this happens a fair bit.

The kid has learned his lesson, and it's not like he's a hacker or drug abuser who got unfair victories. Saviour's skill is legit, and his crime is that he embarassed the game's ruling body a lot more than he damaged the legitimacy of the game (I mean, seriously, how much impact did it have on people questioning whether anyone's victories outside those who were prosecuted were legitimate? a bit at the time, but it died down quick).

He's on his first and last strike, but zero tolerance is too harsh on a teenager in such a stressful environment. One chance is fair, but only one.
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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
March 06 2011 11:49 GMT
#91
On March 06 2011 17:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Any vods?

This was my first thought as well lol.

It wouldn't be so bad if he started to stream his FPview honsetly.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
March 06 2011 11:50 GMT
#92
People need to chill out. Sure Savior is a piece of shit, match fixed, blah blah blah but are you gonna take away his right to stream a couple of BW games? lol
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
March 06 2011 11:51 GMT
#93
Denying = proof of innocence?

This is not how law works.
If you are accusing someone of a deed YOU have to bring the proof.
As long as you didn't, the formula "innocent until proof of guilt was shown" applies.

Anyways, point of my post was: any VOD's of him playing?
t(','t)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 11:55:29
March 06 2011 11:54 GMT
#94
On March 06 2011 20:27 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:07 fearus wrote:
Honesty, I think people are overreacting to what Savior did.

Sport cheats who have been caught deliberately cheating in their own matches are only suspended for a year or two.

And consider those foreigners who had been caught maphacking or match fixing for TSL. How many of them are still playing competitive games?

TT1 Haypro Testie are the ones I can immediately think of... I'm not sure if VTSpades is the same Spades so can't say anything about that.

As for match fixing there's like a million of them still playing, most well-known probably Dimaga.
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C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 12:21:05
March 06 2011 12:00 GMT
#95
On March 06 2011 20:12 r33k wrote:

The main issue is that while foreign fans strive to make e-sports look like actual legitimate sports 90% of the fans watching BW events live in korea are teenage girls with boyband syndrome..


And still Stork gets male-only fans :p
t(','t)
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
March 06 2011 12:04 GMT
#96
On March 06 2011 20:51 C.W. wrote:
Show nested quote +
Denying = proof of innocence?

This is not how law works.
If you are accusing someone of a deed YOU have to bring the proof.
As long as you didn't, the formula "innocent until proof of guilt was shown" applies.

Anyways, point of my post was: any VOD's of him playing?

I think you have a problem with sarcasm?

I have seen a VOD, but you can probably guess from how I started off the first post that I'm not going to be posting them up here.
C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
March 06 2011 12:20 GMT
#97
On March 06 2011 21:04 yoonyoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:51 C.W. wrote:
Denying = proof of innocence?

This is not how law works.
If you are accusing someone of a deed YOU have to bring the proof.
As long as you didn't, the formula "innocent until proof of guilt was shown" applies.

Anyways, point of my post was: any VOD's of him playing?

I think you have a problem with sarcasm?

I have seen a VOD, but you can probably guess from how I started off the first post that I'm not going to be posting them up here.


Of what kind?
I was just stating a general law systematic. Might have been kinda obsolete, but then it wasn't the point of the post.
Also it can be hard at times to make out sarcasm out of a written message when it isn't made absolutely clear.

@notpostingtheVOD: shame! :[
t(','t)
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
March 06 2011 12:21 GMT
#98
On March 06 2011 20:54 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:27 rabidch wrote:
On March 06 2011 20:07 fearus wrote:
Honesty, I think people are overreacting to what Savior did.

Sport cheats who have been caught deliberately cheating in their own matches are only suspended for a year or two.

And consider those foreigners who had been caught maphacking or match fixing for TSL. How many of them are still playing competitive games?

TT1 Haypro Testie are the ones I can immediately think of... I'm not sure if VTSpades is the same Spades so can't say anything about that.

As for match fixing there's like a million of them still playing, most well-known probably Dimaga.


Savior's match-fixing was much more serious than Dimaga's, and is much much more serious than hacking.
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
March 06 2011 12:34 GMT
#99
On March 06 2011 21:00 C.W. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 20:12 r33k wrote:

The main issue is that while foreign fans strive to make e-sports look like actual legitimate sports 90% of the fans watching BW events live in korea are teenage girls with boyband syndrome..


And still Stork gets male-only fans :p

Nope, he just had 2 male fans show up at the same time, which is 100% more than any other progamer in history.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 13:03:32
March 06 2011 12:58 GMT
#100
People saying it's not a big deal, do you not understand the negative impact and risk it made to the Korean eSports scene as a whole? Sponsors could have pulled out because of it and future sponsors of starleagues are probably put off by it. It endangered peoples livelihood so Savior could make money, as if his salary wasn't high for a washed up progamer anyway.. i don't know why people on here are so quick to forgive him or compare to the fucking TSL which is WORLDS apart. He went to court and was charged ffs he's wasn't smurfing on iccup.
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