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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 06 2011 10:14 GMT
#41
I genuinely don't understand how what savior did was wrong. Was he paid for playing ?
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1564 Posts
March 06 2011 10:14 GMT
#42
savior losing on purpose to make money is a bit disappointing, he's one of my favorite player, the drama is exaggerated, when people do something bad, everybody have some tendencies to vomit on them as much as they can, it's like they need to feel that they are better than them. I am not saying KT coach could do something like that, but he certainly did bad things in his life, the thing is that it's not showing on tv, so he's safe to blame others. It's just childish.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
fallingdream
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:16:50
March 06 2011 10:15 GMT
#43
Some ppl here just don't get it. Can anyone of us really understand the amount of work the teams, ogn and mbc and everyone involved really put into the growth of e-sports in korea? The amount of work and dedication is just absurd and here comes a person who shits all over it. The KT coach wasn't the one out of line. When you'll work your ass off and put your soul into something and someone comes to shit all over it then maybe you'll understand why the KT coach said what he said.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:17:46
March 06 2011 10:17 GMT
#44
On March 06 2011 18:43 frodoguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 17:20 yoonyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:15 Lightwip wrote:
By the way, could someone tell me exactly how big a role Savior played in the match fixing?


He fixed matches, played the role as a broker, and embezzled some of the money that was supposed to go to the match-fixing progamers.

source plz? all i heard was that he fixed his own matches but denied everything through the end.

Denying = proof of innocence? Uh..
Just look up 마재윤 in any news engine and you'll find all the sources you need.

From a Fomos article..
마모씨는 변호인을 통해 진행된 본인 심문 과정에서 검찰 측에서 밝힌 기소 내용을 모두 인정했고, 1차 공판에서 일부를 부인한 이유에 대해서는 "공소 사실에 적힌 내용이 범죄인지 몰랐다"고 말했다. 이어 "진모씨가 승부조작에 가담하면서 자의반 타의반으로 이를 중개하게 됐지만 현재는 이를 모두 뉘우치고 있다. 팬들과 e스포츠 관계자들에게 몹시 죄송하게 생각하고 있기 때문에 개인 홈페이지에 사과문도 게재했다"고 밝혔다.
Basically, Savior ended up acknowledging everything and said that the reason for denying some things in the first hearing was because he "didn't know the charges were crimes." He also says that "after Hwasin began participating in the match-fixing, he half voluntarily and half reluctantly ended up mediating it." Of course, pretty much everyone believes Hwasin's side(that Savior was the one who recruited him) - who'd you believe? The guy who instantly apologized or the guy who denied everything from the beginning and then began conceding things one by one?
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
March 06 2011 10:17 GMT
#45
making 15-20 year olds play SC 14 hours a day and not feeding them when they lose is awesome

Throw a game to make money when kespa is taking most of it.. worse than child molester

honestly KESPA and the teams are shit and the stuff they do would put them in jail in america
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
March 06 2011 10:17 GMT
#46
On March 06 2011 19:11 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:09 Masheyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 18:43 frodoguy wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:20 yoonyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:15 Lightwip wrote:
By the way, could someone tell me exactly how big a role Savior played in the match fixing?


He fixed matches, played the role as a broker, and embezzled some of the money that was supposed to go to the match-fixing progamers.

source plz? all i heard was that he fixed his own matches but denied everything through the end.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601

I can't seem to find the thread (or page, assuming it was in that particular thread) about coach Cho's statement that he would defend Savior and even threaten to sue those who claimed he had anything to do with the match fixing scandal.

Why would he do this? Because Savior went over to his place, got down on his knees and begged Cho to believe him, that he didn't have anything to do with it, and that it was all a misunderstanding. When the evidence concerning his involvement became undeniable, however, Savior then admitted and apologized. Real classy there, chief.

Now, while comparing him to a pedo is certainly going overboard, the man is still a disgrace. Match fixing is one thing, but shamelessly lying about something like this to a guy who considered and treated you as though you were his own son without any remorse is damn low.

This story was proven to be fake.


Wow, really? Can anyone else confirm this?
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9504 Posts
March 06 2011 10:17 GMT
#47
o.O We need more dedicated Afreeca restreamers! (not because of the savior though...)
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
composition
Profile Joined September 2008
98 Posts
March 06 2011 10:17 GMT
#48
Savior did not throw games. Reading comprehension.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
March 06 2011 10:18 GMT
#49
Well, it's good that the KT coach apologized, that's enough for me. I wish Savior could redeem himself from his mistake because even if he was a match fixer (really hated this), he was a force to be reckoned with.

The KT coach does seem to be very harsh at times, like when he shouted at Hyung Joon in the 1st ep.
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Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
March 06 2011 10:18 GMT
#50
On March 06 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote:
I genuinely don't understand how what savior did was wrong. Was he paid for playing ?


He acted as a conduit of sorts between the betting community and progamers who were willing to throw games. I think he threw some games himself for money, then bet on himself to lose.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
March 06 2011 10:19 GMT
#51
On March 06 2011 17:39 Qaatar wrote:
People are way too harsh on Savior, and comparing him to child molesters is indefensible. On that subject, however, if people like Michael Vick and pedophiles get a second chance, Savior should as well. What Savior did was unforgivable, but if he can somehow make positive contributions to the esports community, he should be given a chance. I'm not saying this is it, but if some opportunity comes somewhere down the line, and Savior can somehow help promote or contribute in any positive way, he should.

He should get a second chance at life in general yes, but probably not as a Starcraft player.
Aus)MaCrO
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia349 Posts
March 06 2011 10:20 GMT
#52
On March 06 2011 19:17 Masheyoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:11 Ryo wrote:
On March 06 2011 19:09 Masheyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 18:43 frodoguy wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:20 yoonyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:15 Lightwip wrote:
By the way, could someone tell me exactly how big a role Savior played in the match fixing?


He fixed matches, played the role as a broker, and embezzled some of the money that was supposed to go to the match-fixing progamers.

source plz? all i heard was that he fixed his own matches but denied everything through the end.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601

I can't seem to find the thread (or page, assuming it was in that particular thread) about coach Cho's statement that he would defend Savior and even threaten to sue those who claimed he had anything to do with the match fixing scandal.

Why would he do this? Because Savior went over to his place, got down on his knees and begged Cho to believe him, that he didn't have anything to do with it, and that it was all a misunderstanding. When the evidence concerning his involvement became undeniable, however, Savior then admitted and apologized. Real classy there, chief.

Now, while comparing him to a pedo is certainly going overboard, the man is still a disgrace. Match fixing is one thing, but shamelessly lying about something like this to a guy who considered and treated you as though you were his own son without any remorse is damn low.

This story was proven to be fake.


Wow, really? Can anyone else confirm this?


I recall Waxangel saying that was just a dramatization a netizen came up with as to how it might have went down.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:24:20
March 06 2011 10:22 GMT
#53
On March 06 2011 19:17 dacthehork wrote:
making 15-20 year olds play SC 14 hours a day and not feeding them when they lose is awesome

Throw a game to make money when kespa is taking most of it.. worse than child molester

honestly KESPA and the teams are shit and the stuff they do would put them in jail in america


Go spew your shit here.

OT: I've stated my opinion on savior on the million other threads so I won't do that here..
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:30:59
March 06 2011 10:23 GMT
#54
On March 06 2011 19:20 Aus)MaCrO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:17 Masheyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 19:11 Ryo wrote:
On March 06 2011 19:09 Masheyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 18:43 frodoguy wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:20 yoonyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:15 Lightwip wrote:
By the way, could someone tell me exactly how big a role Savior played in the match fixing?


He fixed matches, played the role as a broker, and embezzled some of the money that was supposed to go to the match-fixing progamers.

source plz? all i heard was that he fixed his own matches but denied everything through the end.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601

I can't seem to find the thread (or page, assuming it was in that particular thread) about coach Cho's statement that he would defend Savior and even threaten to sue those who claimed he had anything to do with the match fixing scandal.

Why would he do this? Because Savior went over to his place, got down on his knees and begged Cho to believe him, that he didn't have anything to do with it, and that it was all a misunderstanding. When the evidence concerning his involvement became undeniable, however, Savior then admitted and apologized. Real classy there, chief.

Now, while comparing him to a pedo is certainly going overboard, the man is still a disgrace. Match fixing is one thing, but shamelessly lying about something like this to a guy who considered and treated you as though you were his own son without any remorse is damn low.

This story was proven to be fake.


Wow, really? Can anyone else confirm this?


I recall Waxangel saying that was just a dramatization a netizen came up with as to how it might have went down.

Yup.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601&currentpage=43#845

On March 06 2011 19:17 dacthehork wrote:
making 15-20 year olds play SC 14 hours a day and not feeding them when they lose is awesome

Throw a game to make money when kespa is taking most of it.. worse than child molester

honestly KESPA and the teams are shit and the stuff they do would put them in jail in america

LOL wut? Every proteam even has a housekeeper who cooks and cleans for them. geesh.

Savior, Hwasin and Luxury were some of the highest paid players in the proleague. They cheated because they were greedy.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:24:08
March 06 2011 10:23 GMT
#55
On March 06 2011 19:22 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 19:17 dacthehork wrote:
making 15-20 year olds play SC 14 hours a day and not feeding them when they lose is awesome

Throw a game to make money when kespa is taking most of it.. worse than child molester

honestly KESPA and the teams are shit and the stuff they do would put them in jail in america


Go spew your shit here.



better not lose or you're gonna get beat

kespa did a great job protecting players
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Uninstall
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada79 Posts
March 06 2011 10:25 GMT
#56
On March 06 2011 17:39 Qaatar wrote:
People are way too harsh on Savior, and comparing him to child molesters is indefensible. On that subject, however, if people like Michael Vick and pedophiles get a second chance, Savior should as well. What Savior did was unforgivable, but if he can somehow make positive contributions to the esports community, he should be given a chance. I'm not saying this is it, but if some opportunity comes somewhere down the line, and Savior can somehow help promote or contribute in any positive way, he should.


ಠ_ಠ
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
March 06 2011 10:31 GMT
#57
On March 06 2011 17:52 GTR wrote:
no, i meant playing for 'fun'.

upmagic is, so i don't see why he shouldn't.

I had no idea Upmagic was playing SC2. Have there been any replays leaked or VODs?
Force staff is the best item in the game.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:39:12
March 06 2011 10:34 GMT
#58
On March 06 2011 19:31 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 17:52 GTR wrote:
no, i meant playing for 'fun'.

upmagic is, so i don't see why he shouldn't.

I had no idea Upmagic was playing SC2. Have there been any replays leaked or VODs?

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=1991701
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12517-upmagic-starcraft-2-interview
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:39:42
March 06 2011 10:35 GMT
#59

LOL wut? Every proteam even has a housekeeper who cooks and cleans for them. geesh.

Savior, Hwasin and Luxury were some of the highest paid players in the proleague. They cheated because they were greedy.


When they don't win, no food.

Also how do you think Savior broke his leg?

Kespa and co do their shit legally, because the laws for child labor and protection of "entertainers" which pro gamers are classified under are non existent.

If KTF ran their team in America the practices they follow would be illegal. Same with the coaches that beat their players when they lose.

Kespa itself is breaking the law extremely with regards to SC IP rights anyway.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 10:38:56
March 06 2011 10:35 GMT
#60
On March 06 2011 19:17 yoonyoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2011 18:43 frodoguy wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:20 yoonyoon wrote:
On March 06 2011 17:15 Lightwip wrote:
By the way, could someone tell me exactly how big a role Savior played in the match fixing?


He fixed matches, played the role as a broker, and embezzled some of the money that was supposed to go to the match-fixing progamers.

source plz? all i heard was that he fixed his own matches but denied everything through the end.

Denying = proof of innocence? Uh..
Just look up 마재윤 in any news engine and you'll find all the sources you need.

From a Fomos article..
마모씨는 변호인을 통해 진행된 본인 심문 과정에서 검찰 측에서 밝힌 기소 내용을 모두 인정했고, 1차 공판에서 일부를 부인한 이유에 대해서는 "공소 사실에 적힌 내용이 범죄인지 몰랐다"고 말했다. 이어 "진모씨가 승부조작에 가담하면서 자의반 타의반으로 이를 중개하게 됐지만 현재는 이를 모두 뉘우치고 있다. 팬들과 e스포츠 관계자들에게 몹시 죄송하게 생각하고 있기 때문에 개인 홈페이지에 사과문도 게재했다"고 밝혔다.
Basically, Savior ended up acknowledging everything and said that the reason for denying some things in the first hearing was because he "didn't know the charges were crimes." He also says that "after Hwasin began participating in the match-fixing, he half voluntarily and half reluctantly ended up mediating it." Of course, pretty much everyone believes Hwasin's side(that Savior was the one who recruited him) - who'd you believe? The guy who instantly apologized or the guy who denied everything from the beginning and then began conceding things one by one?


no i was implying that him denying was a fault on his behalf (i.e he got harsher punishment because he denied initially, as opposed to others who admitted when they got caught or after they did the fixing.

And savior's statements does sound very fishy. I mean how could you not know the charges were crimes.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
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