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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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iFU.pauline
France1728 Posts
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fallingdream
Romania452 Posts
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yoonyoon
Korea (South)1065 Posts
On March 06 2011 18:43 frodoguy wrote: source plz? all i heard was that he fixed his own matches but denied everything through the end. Denying = proof of innocence? Uh.. Just look up 마재윤 in any news engine and you'll find all the sources you need. From a Fomos article.. 마모씨는 변호인을 통해 진행된 본인 심문 과정에서 검찰 측에서 밝힌 기소 내용을 모두 인정했고, 1차 공판에서 일부를 부인한 이유에 대해서는 "공소 사실에 적힌 내용이 범죄인지 몰랐다"고 말했다. 이어 "진모씨가 승부조작에 가담하면서 자의반 타의반으로 이를 중개하게 됐지만 현재는 이를 모두 뉘우치고 있다. 팬들과 e스포츠 관계자들에게 몹시 죄송하게 생각하고 있기 때문에 개인 홈페이지에 사과문도 게재했다"고 밝혔다. Basically, Savior ended up acknowledging everything and said that the reason for denying some things in the first hearing was because he "didn't know the charges were crimes." He also says that "after Hwasin began participating in the match-fixing, he half voluntarily and half reluctantly ended up mediating it." Of course, pretty much everyone believes Hwasin's side(that Savior was the one who recruited him) - who'd you believe? The guy who instantly apologized or the guy who denied everything from the beginning and then began conceding things one by one? | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Throw a game to make money when kespa is taking most of it.. worse than child molester honestly KESPA and the teams are shit and the stuff they do would put them in jail in america | ||
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
Wow, really? Can anyone else confirm this? | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9540 Posts
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composition
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
The KT coach does seem to be very harsh at times, like when he shouted at Hyung Joon in the 1st ep. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On March 06 2011 19:14 corumjhaelen wrote: I genuinely don't understand how what savior did was wrong. Was he paid for playing ? He acted as a conduit of sorts between the betting community and progamers who were willing to throw games. I think he threw some games himself for money, then bet on himself to lose. | ||
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gravity
Australia2198 Posts
On March 06 2011 17:39 Qaatar wrote: People are way too harsh on Savior, and comparing him to child molesters is indefensible. On that subject, however, if people like Michael Vick and pedophiles get a second chance, Savior should as well. What Savior did was unforgivable, but if he can somehow make positive contributions to the esports community, he should be given a chance. I'm not saying this is it, but if some opportunity comes somewhere down the line, and Savior can somehow help promote or contribute in any positive way, he should. He should get a second chance at life in general yes, but probably not as a Starcraft player. | ||
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
On March 06 2011 19:17 Masheyoon wrote: Wow, really? Can anyone else confirm this? I recall Waxangel saying that was just a dramatization a netizen came up with as to how it might have went down. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On March 06 2011 19:17 dacthehork wrote: making 15-20 year olds play SC 14 hours a day and not feeding them when they lose is awesome Throw a game to make money when kespa is taking most of it.. worse than child molester honestly KESPA and the teams are shit and the stuff they do would put them in jail in america Go spew your shit here. OT: I've stated my opinion on savior on the million other threads so I won't do that here.. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On March 06 2011 19:20 Aus)MaCrO wrote: I recall Waxangel saying that was just a dramatization a netizen came up with as to how it might have went down. Yup. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601¤tpage=43#845 On March 06 2011 19:17 dacthehork wrote: making 15-20 year olds play SC 14 hours a day and not feeding them when they lose is awesome Throw a game to make money when kespa is taking most of it.. worse than child molester honestly KESPA and the teams are shit and the stuff they do would put them in jail in america LOL wut? Every proteam even has a housekeeper who cooks and cleans for them. geesh. Savior, Hwasin and Luxury were some of the highest paid players in the proleague. They cheated because they were greedy. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
better not lose or you're gonna get beat kespa did a great job protecting players | ||
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Uninstall
Canada79 Posts
On March 06 2011 17:39 Qaatar wrote: People are way too harsh on Savior, and comparing him to child molesters is indefensible. On that subject, however, if people like Michael Vick and pedophiles get a second chance, Savior should as well. What Savior did was unforgivable, but if he can somehow make positive contributions to the esports community, he should be given a chance. I'm not saying this is it, but if some opportunity comes somewhere down the line, and Savior can somehow help promote or contribute in any positive way, he should. ಠ_ಠ | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On March 06 2011 17:52 GTR wrote: no, i meant playing for 'fun'. upmagic is, so i don't see why he shouldn't. I had no idea Upmagic was playing SC2. Have there been any replays leaked or VODs? | ||
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yoonyoon
Korea (South)1065 Posts
On March 06 2011 19:31 CDRdude wrote: I had no idea Upmagic was playing SC2. Have there been any replays leaked or VODs? http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=1991701 http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12517-upmagic-starcraft-2-interview | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
LOL wut? Every proteam even has a housekeeper who cooks and cleans for them. geesh. Savior, Hwasin and Luxury were some of the highest paid players in the proleague. They cheated because they were greedy. When they don't win, no food. Also how do you think Savior broke his leg? Kespa and co do their shit legally, because the laws for child labor and protection of "entertainers" which pro gamers are classified under are non existent. If KTF ran their team in America the practices they follow would be illegal. Same with the coaches that beat their players when they lose. Kespa itself is breaking the law extremely with regards to SC IP rights anyway. | ||
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sharky246
1197 Posts
On March 06 2011 19:17 yoonyoon wrote: Denying = proof of innocence? Uh.. Just look up 마재윤 in any news engine and you'll find all the sources you need. From a Fomos article.. 마모씨는 변호인을 통해 진행된 본인 심문 과정에서 검찰 측에서 밝힌 기소 내용을 모두 인정했고, 1차 공판에서 일부를 부인한 이유에 대해서는 "공소 사실에 적힌 내용이 범죄인지 몰랐다"고 말했다. 이어 "진모씨가 승부조작에 가담하면서 자의반 타의반으로 이를 중개하게 됐지만 현재는 이를 모두 뉘우치고 있다. 팬들과 e스포츠 관계자들에게 몹시 죄송하게 생각하고 있기 때문에 개인 홈페이지에 사과문도 게재했다"고 밝혔다. Basically, Savior ended up acknowledging everything and said that the reason for denying some things in the first hearing was because he "didn't know the charges were crimes." He also says that "after Hwasin began participating in the match-fixing, he half voluntarily and half reluctantly ended up mediating it." Of course, pretty much everyone believes Hwasin's side(that Savior was the one who recruited him) - who'd you believe? The guy who instantly apologized or the guy who denied everything from the beginning and then began conceding things one by one? no i was implying that him denying was a fault on his behalf (i.e he got harsher punishment because he denied initially, as opposed to others who admitted when they got caught or after they did the fixing. And savior's statements does sound very fishy. I mean how could you not know the charges were crimes. | ||
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