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because he's practicing for the MSL.
Why is this worth a thread? I bring you back a nice quote from Stork around this time last year.
Stork on Flash not playing in the Proleague
▲ Stork: I learned about it watching the KT players coming into the waiting room. After seeing the player that is considered the best not playing in order to practice for individual leagues in a situation where every team is concentrating on the proleague, I wondered if he was lacking a little confidence. I'm not sure if the team purposely didn't let him play or if it was requested by himself, but I was very disappointed. Back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games. I wanted to play him today, so I prepared my Terran matchup, so it was a bit more disappointing for me.
I really wanted to play against Flash today in one of my matchups. While you can only know the results after playing, I am confident that I am able to win. I watched in the SKT vs KT game fantasy being too happy. I thought he was being too happy since he only managed to beat flash once, and while everyone speaks as if Flash is some unbeatable opponent, I think otherwise. While Flash is a good player, he is not an unbeatable opponent. So that's why, if I am given a chance, I wanted to play Flash to win in order to show that Flash is indeed beatable. There are the 5th round games left, and if the chance is there, I definitely want to play against Flash and play a great match.
Good one, Stork. Good one.
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Lol dinotoss is a hypocrite O_O, well now he better not disappoint then...
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Ew. I'm not a big one for BW nowadays, but this is jsut great... just great...
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I don't think this makes him a hypocrite, but it probably indicates that he's lacking in confidence for the MSL 
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As soon as I hovered my mouse over the thread name on the sidebar I thought of that interview. Really lowers my opinion of Stork, I hate hypocrites ><
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great.... now fantasy will get 2nd again.
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Has it been confirmed that his absence from today's PL was due to his practicing for MSL?
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On January 26 2011 13:17 SkyLegenD wrote:
Has it been confirmed that his absence from today's PL was due to his practicing for MSL?
yes
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Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand.
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hypocrisy aside, I'm glad Stork is getting the practice in and not slacking
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man i knew this was gonna happen. Hope the koreans catch it to
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I don't want to sound like im denying the fact that stork was being hypocritical, but did flash have an individual final coming up when he left proleague to practice? I mean you can say stork is sensing a bit of urgency here, OSL finals and MSL quarters where he already dropped one game.
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looool at the Fomos comments. I can just hear the tongues clicking.
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maybe it wasn't his decision?? just say that there are many factors to consider ..
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On January 26 2011 13:18 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:17 SkyLegenD wrote:
Has it been confirmed that his absence from today's PL was due to his practicing for MSL? yes Sure he doesn't just have an extra large amount of babies to deliver?
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On January 26 2011 13:23 kdong90 wrote:
I don't want to sound like im denying the fact that stork was being hypocritical, but did flash have an individual final coming up when he left proleague to practice? I mean you can say stork is sensing a bit of urgency here, OSL finals and MSL quarters where he already dropped one game.
yes, flash was in both finals at that time.
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well he shouldnt have said that, makes him a bit hypocrite idd, but flash hadn't potentially up 9 games in three days and proleague wasnt in 3rd round was in last one, so the situation is kinda diferent.
yet another stork-hate post by milkis, keep 'em comin' specially in next PR thread cuz he'll be n1 again!
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Oh come on Stork, I'm a huge fan, but I'm none too fond of hypocrisy.
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Stork realized when the titles seem within short reach, you've gotta practice damn hard. Oh well, not like he can retract his old statement now.
haters gunna hate.
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On January 26 2011 13:19 Slow Motion wrote:
hypocrisy aside, I'm glad Stork is getting the practice in and not slacking
nor playing cellphone games
Kind of sad that he said that and is doing this now but I kind of understand too
Individual league is really important too after all
and it could be for other reasons as well (unlikely but)
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I guess he just sees it a bit differently now for whatever reason, but I'm fine with his decision; I mean he does have a great shot at the finals.
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Meh.. not a big deal
If you're gonna hate him for it, then go ahead. More stork for me.
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People are blowing this way out of proportion, haha.
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On January 26 2011 13:27 smekz wrote:
well he shouldnt have said that, makes him a bit hypocrite idd, but flash hadn't potentially up 9 games in three days and proleague wasnt in 3rd round was in last one, so the situation is kinda diferent.
yet another stork-hate post by milkis, keep 'em comin' specially in next PR thread cuz he'll be n1 again!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123828
this is the original date
in fact flash had 2 bo5s in 2 days, so thats a potential 10 games in 2 days
nice try though!
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On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand.
The hell?
When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.
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On January 26 2011 13:27 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:23 kdong90 wrote:
I don't want to sound like im denying the fact that stork was being hypocritical, but did flash have an individual final coming up when he left proleague to practice? I mean you can say stork is sensing a bit of urgency here, OSL finals and MSL quarters where he already dropped one game. yes, flash was in both finals at that time.
Well then, disappointed at stork for the hypocrisy. But at the same time im happy for him, he knows what he wants and want he wants is to win individuals. So you do what you gotta do, he has balls.
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Come on... Even if he is being hypocritical this is his biggest chain I'm his life to get dual golds which is looking more and more possible... I'd say that it's fine that he's practicing hard for his leagues especially since he only has 1 gold to his name but many silvers
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On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.
A lot of people hated him maybe 3 years ago. Even as a Stork fan, I can see why.
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Lol at Stork.. I don't even get why people like him. He's not manner and he belittle other people's success.
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Well there goes any reason for me to watch Khan vs Fox tonight. Stork I am disappoint. He better make up for it by stomping Zero.
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hahaha oh storky
im sure now he realizes the foolishness of his previous statement. hypocrisy is not that big of a deal. he was just jelly back then
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On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.
Are you serious? Ugh, how times have changed =(
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well at least it aint as bad as when skt forced players to either concentrate on only the osl or msl.
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On January 26 2011 13:33 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:27 smekz wrote:
well he shouldnt have said that, makes him a bit hypocrite idd, but flash hadn't potentially up 9 games in three days and proleague wasnt in 3rd round was in last one, so the situation is kinda diferent.
yet another stork-hate post by milkis, keep 'em comin' specially in next PR thread cuz he'll be n1 again! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123828this is the original date in fact flash had 2 bo5s in 2 days, so thats a potential 10 games in 2 days nice try though!
10-05-05 khan played kt, he played on the 7th vs pure and on 13th vs free or something, the day gap is bigger, see what im sayin? -.- wont discuss this furder anyway
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On January 26 2011 13:16 Antoine wrote:
As soon as I hovered my mouse over the thread name on the sidebar I thought of that interview. Really lowers my opinion of Stork, I hate hypocrites ><
There isn't a person on this earth that isn't a hypocrite. Some are just worse.
Hopefully Stork remembers the interview like we do, haha.
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^u're right. my bad. stork is no where as dominat as flash was anyway dont think he can win vs zero :\
and with WL format he could've to play 4 consecutive games today, kinda different from the 1 + 1 (ace) if needed 
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Eh, I don't blame him. It's kind of funny, but it's just a change of perspective. I guess he shouldnt have said that back then, tbh. A little too judgemental, but these things happen.
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ㅁㅇㄻ 01-26 13:00 (218.147.210.154)
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 작년에 송병구가 이영호 개인리그 때문에 프로리그 불참했다고 머라고 하지 않았나? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 머여 이게
lol after this post the rest of the comments become hilarious.
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What does that post say?
And someone translate some of the korean comments please
I'm interested in the bashing toward Stork
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On January 26 2011 14:00 ISighZ wrote:
What does that post say?
And someone translate some of the korean comments please
I'm interested in the bashing toward Stork
[22:57:21] <hoeom> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 작년에 송병구가 이영호 개인리그 때문에 프로리그 불참했다고 머라고 하지 않았나? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 머여 이게
[22:57:25] <hoeom> what does that say
[22:57:55] <Milkis> harem: "lololol didn't stork bitch at flash for not participating in proleague because of individual leagues? lololol wtf is this"
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"lol didn't stork say something to flash for skipping proleague because of the individual leagues? lol what is this"
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THeres a commercial running on ogn right now, these girls asking people on the street who they are cheering for ...
everyone cheering for stork!
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LOL You guys so funny. I'm definitely going to read Stork's interview when he gets a winner interview. I want to know if he's going to say anything back.
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Question. what does ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ mean? I was looking at the fomos site and a lot of comments have that.
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I've been following BW on and off for a few years now but I usually just watched GOM. So I'm a little curious, can anyone drop some backstory on why Stork used to be so hated?
I'm honestly just really curious.
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There goes my fantasy PL points -_-. I hope stork continues to be the king of silver.
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I remember that well. Flash was blasting through games and had BOTH individual leagues. I'm a Stork fan but this is just cute poetic justice.
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On January 26 2011 14:06 ISighZ wrote:
LOL You guys so funny. I'm definitely going to read Stork's interview when he gets a winner interview. I want to know if he's going to say anything back.
Edit:
Question. what does ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ mean? I was looking at the fomos site and a lot of comments have that.
it's like "lololololol"
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O.. I should have figure that out by reading the translation by Milkis and koreasilver.. I feel stupid.
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Yep, even as a Stork fan I'd say he's definitely a hypocrite for saying that.
That said, Stork at the time was probably half-assing it and thought he'd just replace cell-phone game time with practice if he had to. Now, he's actually practicing full time, and realize the importance of time because of it.
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i always thought it was more like "kekeke" like a "hahaha" but way more asian.
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Wow, Stork is super serious about individual leagues this time around. SKT1 please let Fantasy do the same and focus on OSL!
EDIT: Ahh this messes up by LB for WL 
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Hahah the only word in korean i know is "ke" which is the laugh thing right? i'm so glad i know it because now i can recognize when they are going LOLOLOLOL (just like us!!! )
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On January 26 2011 13:46 GTR wrote:
well at least it aint as bad as when skt forced players to either concentrate on only the osl or msl.
considering it's the exact opposite thing in action...yeah
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In the interview, Stork clearly says he wanted to show that Flash was beatable. He doesn't need to now, because Hyuk and Ssak have already done that this season.
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Pfft, this is Stork we're talking about. I bet he requested a day off so he could catch up on One Piece.
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On January 26 2011 13:11 Milkis wrote:
Stork on Flash not playing in the Proleague
▲ Stork: I wondered if he was lacking a little confidence.
No hypocrisy detected, Stork's confidence falls apart in a gentle breeze when finals are near.
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On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about.
Read some of the older Power Ranks lolol
Also when he made that remark after losing game 5 of MSL Finals? Such a sore loser comment lolol
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On January 26 2011 14:07 Fighter wrote:
I've been following BW on and off for a few years now but I usually just watched GOM. So I'm a little curious, can anyone drop some backstory on why Stork used to be so hated?
I'm honestly just really curious.
Stork was, and still is, really arrogant; kind of a whole sore loser-bad winner thing. As someone said, he kind of belittles other people's success and makes excuses and shit when he loses lol ~_~
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Maybe stork wanted to go but everyone else told him to stay behind and practice. O_O no evidence stork is a hypocrite!
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On January 26 2011 14:56 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about. Read some of the older Power Ranks lolol Also when he made that remark after losing game 5 of MSL Finals? Such a sore loser comment lolol
The PR's mainly Fakesteve hating on Stork.
Also, I get the feeling Stork gets hated because he actually says stuff. Most players just BS about practicing a lot and trying hard. Stork, as well as FBH, like to say non-PC things.
You speak enough of your opinions, and you're bound to rub some people the wrong way.
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all I remember about stork "being hated" was when fakesteve used to bash him on PR lol
and wow I'd forgotten about that interview... rather amusing
oh well, he better make this extra practice count!
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I'm really not seeing the hypocrisy here, or the cause for alarm. Maybe someone can explain in detail why feeling, last year, that Flash might have felt not so confident for his individual league matches because he was even dropping out of important proleague matches to prepare for them, makes Stork a hypocrite for doing the same thing. Maybe he was bragging a little that he hadn't done the same thing, but it didn't seem that he was admonishing Flash for it.
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Darn hypocrit saying thinf about Flash and then doing this.
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people saying there is no hypocrisy are seriously kidding themselves
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On January 26 2011 13:15 Turgid wrote:I don't think this makes him a hypocrite, but it probably indicates that he's lacking in confidence for the MSL
fanboy love is blind
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I like how Flash won 4 titles, winners league and proleague last year while Stork was busy getting eliminated early in tournaments by the likes of  MVP, and mailing in a coin-flip performance for KHAN. He was a lazy ass and a big-mouth.
But now he's S-class again, and apparently suffers from poor memory.
All of us Stork followers, haters and fans alike, should not be surprised by this move.
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On January 26 2011 15:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 14:07 Fighter wrote:
I've been following BW on and off for a few years now but I usually just watched GOM. So I'm a little curious, can anyone drop some backstory on why Stork used to be so hated?
I'm honestly just really curious. Stork was, and still is, really arrogant; kind of a whole sore loser-bad winner thing. As someone said, he kind of belittles other people's success and makes excuses and shit when he loses lol ~_~
I used to hate stork when he just played super boring 2-base carrier PvTs all the time. man he was boring lol.
carriers PvTs still are still the most boring times in non-mirror MUs honestly lol
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no one can deny that theres hypocrism in what stork said.
he probably said that on a whim, not thinking that he himself would be able to double league. also because he was pissed because he was super prepared to play flash
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Seeing so many people just chime in and say "Stork is a hypocrite" or "Stork is not a hypocrite" makes me really sad, because that just turns this into a fanboy debate thread with an extra slathering of hate. I think we've agreed already that this is hypocritical, and there's no real discussion to be had. IMO we should be talking about what some people hinted at - what does this mean for Stork? Is he lacking confidence? Maybe his PvT is showing weaknesses in practice - does that mean Fantasy has a better shot?
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On January 26 2011 15:09 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 14:56 ArvickHero wrote:On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about. Read some of the older Power Ranks lolol Also when he made that remark after losing game 5 of MSL Finals? Such a sore loser comment lolol The PR's mainly Fakesteve hating on Stork. Also, I get the feeling Stork gets hated because he actually says stuff. Most players just BS about practicing a lot and trying hard. Stork, as well as FBH, like to say non-PC things. You speak enough of your opinions, and you're bound to rub some people the wrong way.
Er, I'm pretty sure all of his love started coming when he started to say stuff. He also finally gained credibility when he actually won an OSL.
Before, he was just that Protoss that always lost in the finals to the number 1 (Bisu, Jaedong, then Flash) in unspectacular fashion (dragoon range, ee han timing, shortest osl final ever).
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It's not hypocritical as long as Stork admits that he is out of the individual leagues due to a lack in his confidence to do both or if it is due to January just playing noobs anyway to get the team better which I wouldn't doubt either.
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I don't get why it's hypocritical. It's only hypocritical if he comes out after the game or in an interview sometime and is all, "Naw, I was totally ready to play ZerO, EZPZ." As it is... we can just assume he's worried about the matchup.
I mean, yeah, the little bit of the brag, "I always prepped for everything," and then not showing up today, but this is like a year ago.
IOW, okay, maybe a little weird, but I'm thinking it didn't really deserve its own thread.
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On January 26 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:
people saying there is no hypocrisy are seriously kidding themselves
Why? Where was Stork wrong? When Stork was playing in Clubday MSL and Incruit OSL, he did not take time off from PL. What Stork is truly to blame is the fact that he obviously did not understand the amount of preparation necessary to dual league these days, as opposed to yester-years where players didn't practice 14 hours a day.
So really, if you look at it closely, it's less about hypocrisy and more about spewing opinions that are simply wrong. Stork was wrong in that he shouldn't say things he has no clue about.
Being a hypocrite requires that one does not believe in his words. I see no reason why at the time, Stork did not believe his own words.
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First he bad mouths Koreans at IEF for losing to "foreigner scum" [or similar translation, it was very very negative. Surprised people on TL don't remember it.] and now he's being so blatantly hypocritical towards missing proleague. I used to like Stork before he tarnished my view of him with his IEF foreigner trash-talk, and now this. Yes, he's playing good Starcraft, but I just can't respect him any more.
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On January 26 2011 15:37 1a2a3aPro wrote:
First he bad mouths Koreans at IEF for losing to "foreigner scum" [or similar translation, it was very very negative. Surprised people on TL don't remember it.] and now he's being so blatantly hypocritical towards missing proleague. I used to like Stork before he tarnished my view of him with his IEF foreigner trash-talk, and now this. Yes, he's playing good Starcraft, but I just can't respect him any more.
Must qualify this statement.
Is this the interview you're talking about?
On November 03 2009 11:53 Xiphos wrote:
-Some Korean players were eliminated by foreign players
▲The locations for the broadcast games and the normal games were far apart so I didn't find out the results for a while. When I heard them I was shocked. If they had played more safely they would have progressed, so it was disappointing they couldn't do so. I tried hard to play an adaptive style.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104948
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easy to throw stones from your glass houses
what is wrong with being a hypocrite? EVERYONE is a hypocrite at some point or another because we are all human. you're being a hypocrite by criticizing someone for being a hypocrite.
what you call hypocritical, i call the right to change one's mind.
whether or not he's being a hypocrite has no impact on the veracity of his statement.
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This isn't about hypocrisy so much as Stork perhaps realizing why he's 22 years old and only has one gold while Flash has way more than that.
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Storks response: kekekekekekeke my team doesn't need me to win kekekeke
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Well I just think Stork is very serious about getting some more gold before he gets too old, as he is from a statistic point of view the best Protoss player of all time, and having an additional 2 golds would definately add some leverage to that. As I think he is an all around more solid player than Bisu, maybe not as naturally talented, so it's necessary for him to take the time out for some extra Practice.
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Dinotoss stepping up his GAME. I love this charismatic call-out!
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On January 26 2011 15:46 ShadeR wrote:
Storks response: kekekekekekeke my team doesn't need me to win kekekeke
ye i guess he was right after all haha
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On January 26 2011 13:45 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about. Are you serious? Ugh, how times have changed =(
Let's not forget the time he was rigging games in WCG 2007 by dropping them on purpose vs foreigners to avoid facing another Korean in the early stages. Hell, I remember he even cheated in the WCG by using the stop obs trick over the turret, which was illegal, but he got away with it.
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Pfft who needs stork for WL? Not Khan, thats for sure.
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On January 26 2011 16:07 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:45 darktreb wrote:On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about. Are you serious? Ugh, how times have changed =( Let's not forget the time he was rigging games in WCG 2007 by dropping them on purpose vs foreigners to avoid facing another Korean in the early stages. Hell, I remember he even cheated in the WCG by using the stop obs trick over the turret, which was illegal, but he got away with it.
I'm pretty sure that the obs over turret trick isn't illegal in KeSPA sanctioned games so you can't really blame him for that
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lol i had a feeling someone would bring this interview back up, stork you BAD BOY!
but seriously, it was a triviality then, and a triviality now. just stork being his usual passionate, goofy, and forgetful self.
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This thread is already at five pages so my post will probably be lost in the shuffle, but there's a difference between changing your opinion about something and being a hypocrite. Stork really believed what he said then, but now his opinion about it has surely changed. There's nothing wrong with that. If Stork was still saying those things today, while taking a day off to practice, then he would be a hypocrite.
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On January 26 2011 15:32 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 15:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 26 2011 14:07 Fighter wrote:
I've been following BW on and off for a few years now but I usually just watched GOM. So I'm a little curious, can anyone drop some backstory on why Stork used to be so hated?
I'm honestly just really curious. Stork was, and still is, really arrogant; kind of a whole sore loser-bad winner thing. As someone said, he kind of belittles other people's success and makes excuses and shit when he loses lol ~_~ I used to hate stork when he just played super boring 2-base carrier PvTs all the time. man he was boring lol. carriers PvTs still are still the most boring times in non-mirror MUs honestly lol
Seriously. PvT is a pretty good MU until carriers pop out, then everything slows to. a. crawl. Not to mention they are ridiculously imba.
P + Carriers > T
T > P + Arbiters
All in all it evens out to about 50/50
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On January 26 2011 15:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
This isn't about hypocrisy so much as Stork perhaps realizing why he's 22 years old and only has one gold while Flash has way more than that.
I agree. He's finally wisening up. When I read that interview where he talked about regretting wasting a whole year on WoW, I felt his mindset had changed.
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I don't remember the details that far back then. But at that time, Khan actually had FBH/Jangbi at their peak. So Stork not getting sent out to Ace, or not even playing in some matches, is hardly a big deal. Usually one of them just take matches off because their overall lineup was so good.
Also forgot that Stork even had GOM games, which I believe he didn't bother practicing for at all.
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On January 26 2011 13:15 Turgid wrote:I don't think this makes him a hypocrite, but it probably indicates that he's lacking in confidence for the MSL
Probably this...
I don't get why people are giving him shit for something he said a year ago, in any case.
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stork is lacking confidence. he's not a hypocrite.
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Can anyone link me the original full interview in Korean? I can't confirm the part where he said that "back when I had a full schedule I still showed to for proleague" from quotes in korean.
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Also in case there is confusion, by "disappointed" he meant that he was disappointed he couldn't face flash, not that he was disappointed in flash's actions.
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Am I the only one who thinks that there may have been a little bit of sarcasm and jokery in Stork's original interview that was lost in translation?
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There was no hypocrisy, he didnt sya he would never skip proleague to practice, just that at the time he didnt.
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On January 26 2011 16:38 izlong wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that there may have been a little bit of sarcasm and jokery in Stork's original interview that was lost in translation?
Took me a while, but I found the original.
I don't see any sarcasm. There's a heavy tone of disappointment, like being bracketed against Nadal in a tennis tournament, then getting there and find out he has to practice for another major competition later that week. In that sense, Stork may just be calling out Flash's confidence just because he was so let down by losing the opportunity to play that excellent PvT.
EDIT: take with a grain of salt. I am reading off a translation, after all
EDIT: note that i'm also really bad at detecting unusually thick sarcasm... although i still doubt it's sarcastic
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On January 26 2011 16:36 theramstoss wrote:
Can anyone link me the original full interview in Korean? I can't confirm the part where he said that "back when I had a full schedule I still showed to for proleague" from quotes in korean.
이영호가 출전하지 않는다는 소식을 들었는지
▲ 대기실에 KT 선수들이 들어오는 것을 보고 알았다. 모든 팀이 프로리그에 집중하는 상황에서 최고라고 불리는 선수가 개인리그 연습을 위해 불참하는 것을 보고 ‘약간 자신감이 없나’라는 생각이 들었다. 팀에서 의도적으로 빼준 건지 본인이 요청한 것인지는 모르겠지만 많이 아쉬웠다. 나도 예전에 스케줄이 많을 때는 개인리그와 프로리그 모두 준비하고 출전했었다. 오늘 한번 맞붙어보고 싶어서 연습도 테란전 위주로 준비했는데 그러지 못해서 더욱 아쉬웠다.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123828#19
It's blatantly obvious that he is criticizing Flash here.
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Stork wasn't being hypocritical as much as a liar (unless it was a joke, or just bad memory) since when he made that interview, he had demonstrably already at least once skipped Proleague to practice for individual games.
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doesn't matter once stork wins both leagues... nye nye nye nyehe
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Wow what's with the intense stork hate today?
Open spoilers if you want to know what was said...
+ Show Spoiler [KHAN vs FOX interview, Jan 26 2011] +Here's a blurb from Jangbi-Grape interview: Q 마지막으로 한마디. A 허영무=오늘 병구형이 경기장에 안 와서 욕을 많이 듣고 있다더라. 그런데 병구형이 스타리그 결승전을 연습하느라 안 온 게 아니라, 감독님이 전략적으로 빼놓고 오신 것이다. 최근 병구형만 계속 이기고 주전들이 자꾸 지니까 우리를 정신차리게 하기 위해서 한 일이다. 주전들을 정신차리게 하려는 감독님의 전략이지 병구형의 편의를 봐주느라 그런 것은 아니다. 많이 사람들이 미워하지 않았으면 좋겠다. 병구형도 숙소에서 연습하기보다는 TV를 보면서 응원하고 있었을 것이다. Q: Last words? A: Jangbi = Stork didn't show up for today's match with our team, and he's taking a lot of harsh words and criticism right now. Let me make it clear, his absense is not because he's practising for OSL; he's not here because it's Coach January's decision. Because Stork's been single-handedly carrying the team lately, Coach wanted to send us a strong message this way. It's not that Coach wants to favour Stork excessively or something. I hope people don't misunderstand and hate him for this. I'm pretty sure he was watching TV and cheering for us instead of practising. Source: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=39258Sure, people, speculate all you want. Jangbi and Grape trying to "shield" Stork? Perhaps, but interviews from teammates are hell lot more credible than anything here I've seen so far.
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Sure, people, speculate all you want. Jangbi and Grape trying to "shield" Stork? Perhaps, but interviews from teammates are hell lot more credible than anything here I've seen so far.
Definitely jangbi and grape defending stork. January said this before the game
삼성전자의 김가을 감독은 “송병구 선수의 개인리그 일정이 너무 많아서 팀 차원에서 배려를 해줬다”며 “현재 송병구 선수는 숙소에서 개인리그 연습 중”이라고 말했다.
basically the team allowed Stork to not show up as a favor. (배려 is so hard to translate so i'll just use something close enough)
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I remember it like yesterday, that bitter comment made by Stork. Way to be a hypocrite...
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This seems like pretty typical Stork. This isn't the first time his mouth has gotten him a lot of haters. At the same time it's gotten him a lot of fans. I started watching BW around the time Gom started up their league and I've been a big Stork fan since. Him and Firebathero don't seem to care if they look bad for the sake of a little shit talking. Being polarizing without being obnoxious makes for good personalities in any sport. And I don't find Stork obnoxious. To each their own I suppose.
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Stork's quote also says 'after seeing the player who is considered the best' - seems like he's referring pretty specifically to the number one player spot (still Flash), not players in general.
WHATEVER THOUGH ARR DRAMA HIM BAD
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Yes he referred to Flash in that particular instance and actually this is not first time Stork does this (skip Proleague) when facing multiple league challenge so it is even more funnier
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whats with all the haters coming out suddenly?
stork was wrong to have said that but he was disappointed at that time that he could not play flash. KT was powerless without him and did not seem to take Samsung KHAN seriously.
seems to me like a bunch of haters here and in Korea are afraid of Stork and want to break him down with criticism before the finals.
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man why the hate? Just watch good starcraft. Yeah yeah Bisu, Jaedong and Flash are better progamers, not arrogant, not hypocrite, more golds, younger, more handsome and not boring.
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On January 26 2011 13:11 Milkis wrote:because he's practicing for the MSL. Why is this worth a thread? I bring you back a nice quote from Stork around this time last year. Show nested quote +Stork on Flash not playing in the Proleague
▲ Stork: I learned about it watching the KT players coming into the waiting room. After seeing the player that is considered the best not playing in order to practice for individual leagues in a situation where every team is concentrating on the proleague, I wondered if he was lacking a little confidence. I'm not sure if the team purposely didn't let him play or if it was requested by himself, but I was very disappointed. Back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games. I wanted to play him today, so I prepared my Terran matchup, so it was a bit more disappointing for me.
I really wanted to play against Flash today in one of my matchups. While you can only know the results after playing, I am confident that I am able to win. I watched in the SKT vs KT game fantasy being too happy. I thought he was being too happy since he only managed to beat flash once, and while everyone speaks as if Flash is some unbeatable opponent, I think otherwise. While Flash is a good player, he is not an unbeatable opponent. So that's why, if I am given a chance, I wanted to play Flash to win in order to show that Flash is indeed beatable. There are the 5th round games left, and if the chance is there, I definitely want to play against Flash and play a great match. Good one, Stork. Good one.
This OP is misleading. I read the original Korean interview here: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=106476&db=interview&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd
and Stork never said "Back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games." The only thing he said was that based on flash's absence ("at a time when all teams are focusing on proleague," I admit this phrase seems to have a critical nuance of flash), stork thought maybe flash was lacking confidence that he could win in the proleague. And that he was disappointed that he could not face flash.
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People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people.
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So, wait.
Flash skips Proleague to practice for Bo5s against MVP and Pure.
Stork skips Winner's League to practice for Bo5s against Fantasy and Zero.
Yeah, those are comparable occurrences.
Furthermore, did Stork actually not show up to Proleague during Incruit/Clubday, or was he merely not slotted for games?
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On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people.
Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing.
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Milkis post sums it up very well imo.
"Good one, Stork. Good one."
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On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing.
He didn't know he was going to do the same thing. He can't see the future. At the time, it was how he felt. Later, in another situation, he felt differently.
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On January 26 2011 18:11 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing. He didn't know he was going to do the same thing. He can't see the future. At the time, it was how he felt. Later, in another situation, he felt differently.
That self-serving attitude from Stork is exactly why some people in this thread are criticizing him.
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On January 26 2011 18:16 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:11 GGQ wrote:On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing. He didn't know he was going to do the same thing. He can't see the future. At the time, it was how he felt. Later, in another situation, he felt differently. That self-serving attitude from Stork is exactly why some people in this thread are criticizing him.
Stork has the opportunity to become the greatest protoss player ever if he wins both MSL and OSL. He would be a moron not to skip PL to practice MSL since January allowed him to.
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On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing.
Yeah but how was he to know last year that he would be in this situation right now? Of course that is why you need to be extra careful with what you say in life but what's done is done. It's more likely that he spoke out of frustration and disappointment (of his own individual league results) rather than genuine moral/ethical outrage back then.
I can understand why some people are offended but they need to realise that it's an imperfect world and we humans are imperfect creatures. Maybe try looking at yourselves before taking the moral high ground so quickly.
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On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing.
Did you read my post? How did stork call flash out?
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I think it's clear now that the coach decided who will go and who won't go, Stork has no say in this matter.
Read the other thread for more information.
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I don't think there is much more to discuss about this tbh, it'll probably end up in more flames.
this OP and opticalshot's both give different and arguable views (stork hypocrite vs. fighting the one-man team image) but i bet there are a lot more flames to be found in this thread lol.
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On January 26 2011 18:16 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:11 GGQ wrote:On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing. He didn't know he was going to do the same thing. He can't see the future. At the time, it was how he felt. Later, in another situation, he felt differently. That self-serving attitude from Stork is exactly why some people in this thread are criticizing him.
I don't understand why it's a self-serving attitude, though. Ironic that people are getting on Stork's ass for being hypocritical when everyone criticising him either is being hypocritical or will one day look back at realise they were being hypocritical.
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On January 26 2011 18:31 kamikami wrote:
I think it's clear now that the coach decided who will go and who won't go, Stork has no say in this matter.
Read the other thread for more information. pretty sure theyre covering for him, like if u friend did something bad would you lie for him?
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On January 26 2011 18:34 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:16 NovaTheFeared wrote:On January 26 2011 18:11 GGQ wrote:On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing. He didn't know he was going to do the same thing. He can't see the future. At the time, it was how he felt. Later, in another situation, he felt differently. That self-serving attitude from Stork is exactly why some people in this thread are criticizing him. I don't understand why it's a self-serving attitude, though. Ironic that people are getting on Stork's ass for being hypocritical when everyone criticising him either is being hypocritical or will one day look back at realise they were being hypocritical.
Hm, you can't really compare the two situation...
yes everyone is a hypocritic once in their life.... but not on the same scale as Stork (scale as in media exposure etc etc...)
About the issue, I believe Stork was just mad back then when he made that comment- he did not think it through nor could he imagine he would be in the same position in the future. Imagine practicing hours after hrs to play against one guy that did not even show up.
But yes, in my book, he is a hypocritic.
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On January 26 2011 18:36 We Are Here wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:31 kamikami wrote:
I think it's clear now that the coach decided who will go and who won't go, Stork has no say in this matter.
Read the other thread for more information. pretty sure theyre covering for him, like if u friend did something bad would you lie for him?
They wouldn't dare to lie about the coach part, if they said "coach decided to let Stork remain home" then it must be it.
I will lie for my friend but I won't go "the teacher decided that he must skip the class" unless it's what happened.
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On January 26 2011 18:36 We Are Here wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:31 kamikami wrote:
I think it's clear now that the coach decided who will go and who won't go, Stork has no say in this matter.
Read the other thread for more information. pretty sure theyre covering for him, like if u friend did something bad would you lie for him?
Stork hasn't done anything bad.
That's not really the point, but you should keep things in context.
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Maybe he is sick?? ((
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As long Khan win their games, I don't care if he keep skipping PL games. Well, maybe he shouldn't called flash in the first place but I guess he never considered he will be in the same situation as flash.
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I don't see how this is thread worthy. If it was a lie that actually made a huge difference in a practical sense, then maybe.
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Stork better 3-0 Zero tomorrow night, otherwise I'm gonna start up my very own GOTCHA Stork=Hypocrite thread. Just check out this outrageous quote from his interview after the OSL semis:
"After last night's loss, I believe I'll 3-0 him the next time we meet."
I've certainly never acted hypocritically in my life, so I beleive I'd have the right to call him out on this.
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This thread should be closed to prevent further misunderstandings about what really happened.
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That was a stupid thing to say. You have to be able to put yourself theoretically into someone elses situation.
On January 26 2011 18:11 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 18:04 Lightwip wrote:On January 26 2011 18:01 Telcontar wrote:
People are making a big deal out very little. Yes he's being hypocritical but that's just how life works. Sometimes, you have to step on your own words to go for something really important to you. Most of those offended are probably just now realising that he's a human being, not a saint. I'm sure all of us here have done similar things in the past and not out of malice or ill intent. It's just one of those things in life that we can't avoid. Move on people. Skipping PL is fine, but he shouldn't have called Flash out in the first place if he was gonna do the same thing. He didn't know he was going to do the same thing. He can't see the future. At the time, it was how he felt. Later, in another situation, he felt differently.
Exactly! He didn't know anything about it, yet he had to call Flash out on it.
He shouldn't have done that.
Either way, it was a stupid thing to say. But it's not the end of the world, I hope he knows not to say these things in the future.
I forgive you stork but you gotta stop talking about things you don't know:=)
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Thats why you should be careful in what you say to others in a interview . If you bash someone for a mistake or decision that he makes make sure you don't make the same mistake or decision as him it will just make you look bad . Frankly the shit he is geting is probably somewhat deserved after what he said to Flash who was working his ass of last season to keep up the results he was making . I have no sympathy for Stork right now . I don't hate him or anything for this , but at least now he should know a little in what situation Flash was last season before he makes a statement .
Also Flash even apologized to Stork or his fans ( don't know why he had to apologize ) , after he read Stork's interview , lets see if Stork is going to do the same .
Quoted from the other thread it gives my thoughts on the matter .
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Where is the hypocrisy?! Stork was only sad because flash dodged him. Today Samsung played against Wemade (not KT!). Stork didnt dodge Flash or anyone and Samsung WON the game(KT lost because of Flash's absence). So what's the matter? Calm down people.
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i just read the whole 7 pages and WOW ..
BW somewhat became a sport where Drama is part of it .. just wow .. lol
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On January 26 2011 20:19 nasze_zrodlo wrote:
Where is the hypocrisy?! Stork was only sad because flash dodged him. Today Samsung played against Wemade (not KT!). Stork didnt dodge Flash or anyone and Samsung WON the game(KT lost because of Flash's absence). So what's the matter? Calm down people.
Well, Stork basically called out Flash in his previous interview, and said when his schedule was busy he still played. strongly implying that he would never do what Flash did. It doesn't matter if January decided to pull him or if he asked for the time to practice, based on the context of his old interview he should've demanded to play. Yes, Samsung won the match today, but they could've easily lost. Nothing is guaranteed and it only hurts the team to play without their best player.
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On January 26 2011 20:56 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 20:19 nasze_zrodlo wrote:
Where is the hypocrisy?! Stork was only sad because flash dodged him. Today Samsung played against Wemade (not KT!). Stork didnt dodge Flash or anyone and Samsung WON the game(KT lost because of Flash's absence). So what's the matter? Calm down people. Well, Stork basically called out Flash in his previous interview, and said when his schedule was busy he still played. strongly implying that he would never do what Flash did. It doesn't matter if January decided to pull him or if he asked for the time to practice, based on the context of his old interview he should've demanded to play. Yes, Samsung won the match today, but they could've easily lost. Nothing is guaranteed and it only hurts the team to play without their best player.
Stop reading between lines, he never "strongly implying(ed) that he would never do what Flash did".
I really dont see where you(all) see hipocresy .
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This is why I watch Starcraft 2.
User was warned for this post
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On January 26 2011 21:39 Inzek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 20:56 bokchoi wrote:On January 26 2011 20:19 nasze_zrodlo wrote:
Where is the hypocrisy?! Stork was only sad because flash dodged him. Today Samsung played against Wemade (not KT!). Stork didnt dodge Flash or anyone and Samsung WON the game(KT lost because of Flash's absence). So what's the matter? Calm down people. Well, Stork basically called out Flash in his previous interview, and said when his schedule was busy he still played. strongly implying that he would never do what Flash did. It doesn't matter if January decided to pull him or if he asked for the time to practice, based on the context of his old interview he should've demanded to play. Yes, Samsung won the match today, but they could've easily lost. Nothing is guaranteed and it only hurts the team to play without their best player. Stop reading between lines, he never "strongly implying(ed) that he would never do what Flash did". I really dont see where you(all) see hipocresy .
Back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games.
I think people infer it from this line. In my understanding and i think a lot of others, Stork is saying that even when his schedule was/is full, he is going to play for both. Of course it can be January's decision but its entirely plausible that Stork has not been fully focussed on preparing for his PL matches so that the best decision is to rest him. Of course the coach and teammates are going to cover for him to protect Stork and the team morale. But i can see why people are calling him hypocrites.
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I can also see that from his interview a year ago that he express more dissapointment for the fact that he didn't have the opportunity to have a showdown with Flash rather than Flash skipping out on Proleague.
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Stork shouldn't have called Flash and say that he would never ever do it. Still it is Stork and he has the right to do it. Flash dodged Stork who practiced for match against him and wanted to prove he can be beaten during time he was dominating and he lost the chance due to Flash skipping the match. I know it is stupid to say i would never do it and do it year later, but i really thing there is more at stake atm than Flash's fanboys vs Stork's fans. People make mistakes, learn to live with that fact. Also Khan won without Stork so not a big deal. If they lost, would be different story i guess...
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He is saving the planets guys... that why he is so busy !!
Give him a break
Go Stork !!
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On January 26 2011 22:26 Ricjames wrote:
Stork shouldn't have called Flash and say that he would never ever do it. Still it is Stork and he has the right to do it. Flash dodged Stork who practiced for match against him and wanted to prove he can be beaten during time he was dominating and he lost the chance due to Flash skipping the match. I know it is stupid to say i would never do it and do it year later, but i really thing there is more at stake atm than Flash's fanboys vs Stork's fans. People make mistakes, learn to live with that fact. Also Khan won without Stork so not a big deal. If they lost, would be different story i guess...
I like your neutrality.
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What a fukin hypocrite. I used to like Stork, but now, I've really lost all my respect for the guy. I don't like Fantasty either, but I hope he beats Stork, even though Fantasty couldn't even stop a scouted 2 hatch lurker
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Stork probably said those stupid things because he was dissapointed that he didn't get to face Flash after he prepared so well against him while Flash was busy preparing for OSL and MSL BoX series.
If you wanna prove that you can beat Flash atleast do it when Flash also prepares to beat you hehe
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Hypocrisy only exists in a world where TIME doesn't exist.
People learn things and change their opinions and stances, otherwise we'd still all be immature little brats and never evolve.
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don't really care, hope he crushes fantasy
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I suggest you read interwiev after samsung last game, where Turn said + Show Spoiler +that it was coach January decision not to let Stork play today, because there were too many haters, who couldn't stand that khan can't win without stork's help
well, i don't see a reason for him to lie about it
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On January 26 2011 23:17 plaszczka wrote:I suggest you read interwiev after samsung last game, where Turn said + Show Spoiler +that it was coach January decision not to let Stork play today, because there were too many haters, who couldn't stand that khan can't win without stork's help well, i don't see a reason for him to lie about it
Teammates will always shield each other, and I do believe Stork said in an earlier interview that SL's are more important than PL to him.
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On January 26 2011 23:19 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 23:17 plaszczka wrote:I suggest you read interwiev after samsung last game, where Turn said + Show Spoiler +that it was coach January decision not to let Stork play today, because there were too many haters, who couldn't stand that khan can't win without stork's help well, i don't see a reason for him to lie about it Teammates will always shield each other, and I do believe Stork said in an earlier interview that SL's are more important than PL to him.
Shield from what? You really think that seconds after match Turn's only problem was to save his friend Stork from teamliquid users, who dig out a year old interwiev with birdtoss? I think that he knew how many fans go for games just for SBG and he wanted to enlight them, that it wasn't their idol own decision to skip the game.
For Khan it's great they won without Stork in lineup.
And for Stork it's great that he could rest a bit and not show his latest PvZ ideas by playing 2-3 games with Zerg heavy team just a day before much more important rematch vs Zero.
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On January 26 2011 23:19 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 23:17 plaszczka wrote:I suggest you read interwiev after samsung last game, where Turn said + Show Spoiler +that it was coach January decision not to let Stork play today, because there were too many haters, who couldn't stand that khan can't win without stork's help well, i don't see a reason for him to lie about it Teammates will always shield each other, and I do believe Stork said in an earlier interview that SL's are more important than PL to him.
And Stork is the only progamr that answers that question honestly =/
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Wow at the ppl complaing at Stork. This is one of the reason i love Stork ... he always says whats on his mind unlike 99% of progamers who just give fake interviews.
Big deal so he is a hypocrite because he said something like 1 year ago ... if we look at things like that im sure every human on this planet is hypocrite.
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I'm also quite sure that the main reason behind such a big popularity boost for Stork in last months is not just his phenomenal performance nowadays, but the fact that he is probablly the progamer with best and most normal personality. He's just good, warm and trusty person, many of us would like to have friend like him
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sure he went overboard with some comments in the past but that is because he was brutually honest and disappointed that he could not play flash. it was a year ago at a troubled time for esports, i believe stork has grown and learnt his lesson and would apologise given the chance.
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Hahaha, I totally expected this when doing the liquibets.
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To me Stork has always seemed to be a bad winner, a bad loser, arrogant, childish and just bad mannered in general. This only compounds on that.
It's nice to see someone not flash have some success for a while but I would really have prefered it to be anyone but stork :p
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Can anyone give me a good detailed explanation behind Stork's popularity? Besides he is such a baller that plays cellphone games.
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Oh Stork, I'm so disappointed in you.... NOT!
Think of it this way: Stork could choose to continue to play in PL for the team, but he could gave up his spot for another player to play against WeMade, and he wants to believe his team can do well without him for the day.
Which they did. Sure, this may earn him some e-red points, but he's still a baller protoss player that entertains the audience with his play.
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Nothing new here, he had already done this before he criticized Flash.
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On January 26 2011 23:50 KlaCkoN wrote:
To me Stork has always seemed to be a bad winner, a bad loser, arrogant, childish and just bad mannered in general. This only compounds on that.
It's nice to see someone not flash have some success for a while but I would really have prefered it to be anyone but stork :p
Seriously, you actually believe progamers when they just say "they work really hard" and "I was lucky" in all their interviews? And that none of such players actually complain and show arrogance in their own house.
I honestly find it more refreshing when players give their opinions on various subjects as they see them. I like interviews that actually give insight into players thought process regarding games, rather than just "oh, I'm glad I won as I practiced a lot and I did well in practice and I fought really hard." Seriously, who cares about those things?
It's much more entertaining when I saw Stork laughing his ass off after stomping Kwanro's gay 2-hatch hydra and talk about how much of a noob Kwanro is for being cheesy. At least you know he has a personality.
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Anyone actually thinks the same as me, that Stork is sitting a the practice house "damn I am lame, but I have to do this instead of PL"
maybe not, but its certainly a possibillity
And whatever if he critisized flash lol, hypcrisy is just fun and you go "hey you were hyprocritic haha"
"haha, true"
end of deal, whats the big drama ?
On the other hand drama is entertaining... let it roll people!
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You really think that seconds after match Turn's only problem was to save his friend Stork from teamliquid users, who dig out a year old interwiev with birdtoss
Actually it is specifically said that they were aware that Stork are receiving a lot of flak from Korean Netizens and thus they felt the need to clarify that.
Not saying that Turn / the team was covering for Stork just that obviously any flak that Stork receive here are magnified tenfold in Korean sites.
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On January 26 2011 20:56 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 20:19 nasze_zrodlo wrote:
Where is the hypocrisy?! Stork was only sad because flash dodged him. Today Samsung played against Wemade (not KT!). Stork didnt dodge Flash or anyone and Samsung WON the game(KT lost because of Flash's absence). So what's the matter? Calm down people. Well, Stork basically called out Flash in his previous interview, and said when his schedule was busy he still played. strongly implying that he would never do what Flash did. It doesn't matter if January decided to pull him or if he asked for the time to practice, based on the context of his old interview he should've demanded to play. Yes, Samsung won the match today, but they could've easily lost. Nothing is guaranteed and it only hurts the team to play without their best player.
Again, go back and read my post. Stork never said when his schedule was full he still played. There is an error in the OP, something that wasn't in the original Korean interview was included.
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On January 26 2011 17:55 theramstoss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:11 Milkis wrote:because he's practicing for the MSL. Why is this worth a thread? I bring you back a nice quote from Stork around this time last year. Stork on Flash not playing in the Proleague
▲ Stork: I learned about it watching the KT players coming into the waiting room. After seeing the player that is considered the best not playing in order to practice for individual leagues in a situation where every team is concentrating on the proleague, I wondered if he was lacking a little confidence. I'm not sure if the team purposely didn't let him play or if it was requested by himself, but I was very disappointed. Back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games. I wanted to play him today, so I prepared my Terran matchup, so it was a bit more disappointing for me.
I really wanted to play against Flash today in one of my matchups. While you can only know the results after playing, I am confident that I am able to win. I watched in the SKT vs KT game fantasy being too happy. I thought he was being too happy since he only managed to beat flash once, and while everyone speaks as if Flash is some unbeatable opponent, I think otherwise. While Flash is a good player, he is not an unbeatable opponent. So that's why, if I am given a chance, I wanted to play Flash to win in order to show that Flash is indeed beatable. There are the 5th round games left, and if the chance is there, I definitely want to play against Flash and play a great match. Good one, Stork. Good one. This OP is misleading. I read the original Korean interview here: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=106476&db=interview&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrdand Stork never said "Back when my schedule was full, I prepared and play for both my individual and proleague games." The only thing he said was that based on flash's absence ("at a time when all teams are focusing on proleague," I admit this phrase seems to have a critical nuance of flash), stork thought maybe flash was lacking confidence that he could win in the proleague. And that he was disappointed that he could not face flash.
Are you kidding or ignoring it on purpose.
나도 예전에 스케줄이 많을 때는 개인리그와 프로리그 모두 준비하고 출전했었다.
Why don't you translate that There's no error in the translation ~_~
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On January 26 2011 23:54 cascades wrote:
Can anyone give me a good detailed explanation behind Stork's popularity? Besides he is such a baller that plays cellphone games.
it's quite simple - his builds and their execution in every matchup are really close to perfect. he was always known - especially in PvT - for his flawless play throughout whole the game. it's not like he's just good at openings and all-ins, or just good in middlegame transitions, or just in late game macro. he perfected and understood whole sc:bw mechanics better than any other protoss in history
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I don't blame players for taking time off to practise for individual SLs, but Stork just shot himself in the foot here.
Didn't Flash apologize after learning Stork's comments?
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On January 27 2011 01:57 plaszczka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 23:54 cascades wrote:
Can anyone give me a good detailed explanation behind Stork's popularity? Besides he is such a baller that plays cellphone games. it's quite simple - his builds and their execution in every matchup are really close to perfect. he was always known - especially in PvT - for his flawless play throughout whole the game. it's not like he's just good at openings and all-ins, or just good in middlegame transitions, or just in late game macro. he perfected and understood whole sc:bw mechanics better than any other protoss in history
That doesn't really answer the question why he's popular. Flash is the closest thing to perfection any SC player has been no matter the race, and he's far from being the most popular.
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On January 27 2011 02:05 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 01:57 plaszczka wrote:On January 26 2011 23:54 cascades wrote:
Can anyone give me a good detailed explanation behind Stork's popularity? Besides he is such a baller that plays cellphone games. it's quite simple - his builds and their execution in every matchup are really close to perfect. he was always known - especially in PvT - for his flawless play throughout whole the game. it's not like he's just good at openings and all-ins, or just good in middlegame transitions, or just in late game macro. he perfected and understood whole sc:bw mechanics better than any other protoss in history That doesn't really answer the question why he's popular. Flash is the closest thing to perfection any SC player has been no matter the race, and he's far from being the most popular.
I don't wanna lose my time looking for interviews from last month, but in one there is much talk about that poeple really like to cheer for Protosses - no matter if it's Bisu, Stork or idk Kal, Toss race has been troubled for almost whole bw history. There almost always was time of Terran raigning, Zergs also had their moments, but when you look at Protoss lines in progaming, even the "Six Dragons Era" was really short and probablly ended as soon as maps changed to less favorable for their race.
So yeah - i sure agree with you Flash is someone closest to perfection in sc:bw, but is his dominance and flawless play really such a "wow oh and ah" situation, when we used to call on one breath other bw gods that were terrans too - Boxer, Nada, oov and xellos? Zergs also had their prime times more often, thanks to Yellow, July, than Savior replaced soon after by the only JeaDong.
And i think not only Protoss users are glad to see, that in times when Bisu and Stork used to be in the end of first ten KeSPA pros, they both (but Stork obviously better) suddenly show us something near to perfect Protoss play. I think most of TL users love Nal_rA, no matter if you Terran or SKT fan, you're just amazed by his invension and style. Now Stork has it - he's got very recognizable style that show us that toss doesn't have to be beatten all around. Finally P race become more complex and advanced.
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Stork is already having enough difficulties with this MSL. He is probably lacking confidence.
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On January 26 2011 14:56 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 13:34 Jayme wrote:On January 26 2011 13:18 darktreb wrote:
Not surprised at all
He was a hypocrite when he said it in the first place - he'd already not played in PL back in 2008 when he was in both leagues.
That's Stork for you, how this guy went from the most hated player on TL to the most loved, I'll never fully understand. The hell? When was Stork EVER the most hated player on TL? This little hypocrisy aside he's one of the more likable players thats played the game for awhile now. Not sure what you're talking about. Read some of the older Power Ranks lolol Also when he made that remark after losing game 5 of MSL Finals? Such a sore loser comment lolol
Where can I see this interview?
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I hope someone brings this up to him.
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On January 27 2011 03:33 distant_voice wrote:
10 pages? seriously?
Unfortunately. Now since people have the time to sit and bash on Stork, read this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187811 by OpticalShot which "provide[s] a more comprehensive picture" of why Stork probably didn't show up.
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it seems like stork suddenly soaked up all the FBH hate now that FBH is basically irrelevant (especially with savior gone).
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Oh no Stork reached a single final which he had an easy route through and has to play the mighty FANTASY! in it. Better stop proleague play for sure.
January should actually discipline or something and make him play. He's easily favoured in the finals anyway, good maps, good matchup.
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From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed.
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On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed.
January is protecting her player, surprise surprise.
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On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed.
I was about to say this. Anyway doesn't matter in my eyes. I still love Stork for ever!
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I also still love Stork and I'm totally fine with him skipping PL today, but I do think he owes Flash an apology.
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so i didnt even needed to read the last 3 pages to know already this has become a flash fans vs stork fans thread
the fact is both january and his teammates already said it was january's choice to let him out of the PL game, even if you think that is a cover up by the team, its only an assumption you are making, and the words of the people directly involved have MUCH more value than your assumptions
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On January 27 2011 04:11 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed. January is protecting her player, surprise surprise.
Have you read any of the interviews?
But I'm sure you'll just go ahead and claim the entire team is lying, because you secretly monitor Stork's dreams and know better than to trust.. every single applicable authority regarding the situation.
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peole read the damn interview
january didn't let stork come cux when they lost last time people called this team Songbyung KHAN and she does not like that so she didn't let storm show up
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He may be called dinotoss, but he will never reach the state of mantoss now.
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On January 27 2011 05:50 LastActionHero wrote:
He may be called dinotoss, but he will never reach the state of mantoss now.
Another one who didn't read the interview.
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On January 27 2011 06:11 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 05:50 LastActionHero wrote:
He may be called dinotoss, but he will never reach the state of mantoss now. Another one who didn't read the interview.
Right because we should take what people said on interview 100% truthfully. Learn to have your own opinion. Maybe he read it and thinks they are covering up for Stork.
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Good thread, you guys. Good thread.
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On January 27 2011 04:59 .Aar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 04:11 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed. January is protecting her player, surprise surprise. Have you read any of the interviews? But I'm sure you'll just go ahead and claim the entire team is lying, because you secretly monitor Stork's dreams and know better than to trust.. every single applicable authority regarding the situation.
And an interview from a teammate matters? Did you think that they would say things differently? Do you think that person will live peacefully in the same house as everyone else? We don't know they lie or not but that doesn't mean they told the truth of the situation.
Even if you read the interview, form an opinion of your own and not just follow their words.
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On January 27 2011 06:11 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 05:50 LastActionHero wrote:
He may be called dinotoss, but he will never reach the state of mantoss now. Another one who didn't read the interview.
contrary to what some of you guys might think, im pretty sure if Stork had really wanted to play in the match, he wouldve forced January's hand.. As it stands Stork is no better than Flash was when Stork called him out...
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I like how Flash fans are now talking about how interview answers are worthless... when this entire freaking thread is based on a premise that we believe 100% the answers in an interview.
So which is it, Flash fans? Should you believe interviews or not? If you believe them, then you'd believe that Stork has good reason to miss out on the game. If you don't believe them, the source of your rage is based upon nothing...
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On January 27 2011 06:22 ISighZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 06:11 Weedk wrote:On January 27 2011 05:50 LastActionHero wrote:
He may be called dinotoss, but he will never reach the state of mantoss now. Another one who didn't read the interview. Right because we should take what people said on interview 100% truthfully. Learn to have your own opinion. Maybe he read it and thinks they are covering up for Stork.
On January 27 2011 07:35 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 04:59 .Aar wrote:On January 27 2011 04:11 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed. January is protecting her player, surprise surprise. Have you read any of the interviews? But I'm sure you'll just go ahead and claim the entire team is lying, because you secretly monitor Stork's dreams and know better than to trust.. every single applicable authority regarding the situation. And an interview from a teammate matters? Did you think that they would say things differently? Do you think that person will live peacefully in the same house as everyone else? We don't know they lie or not but that doesn't mean they told the truth of the situation. Even if you read the interview, form an opinion of your own and not just follow their words.
why shouldn't it matter? what makes you think the people supporting stork haven't formed their own opinions? get a hold of yourself
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On January 26 2011 23:50 KlaCkoN wrote:
To me Stork has always seemed to be a bad winner, a bad loser, arrogant, childish and just bad mannered in general. This only compounds on that.
It's nice to see someone not flash have some success for a while but I would really have prefered it to be anyone but stork :p
Not to mention a notorious map whiner. I don't see whats to like about him other than finally having a Protoss win something. Even if he does win it, it'll still be played down like Calm's MSL victory. Sometimes you get lucky with the brackets and avoid Flash, Jaedong, ZerO, Bisu and Kal (the players i believe who would have the best chance against him and maybe even favoured in a Bo5. prehaps Hydra too now.).
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It would be nice if the OP was updated with some of the nuances of the situation.
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Yeah gj being a hypocrite Birdtoss. ^^
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coach january in her pregame interview said the decision to bench stork was her idea and it was so the team stops relying on him and wins on their own strength
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On January 27 2011 07:35 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 04:59 .Aar wrote:On January 27 2011 04:11 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed. January is protecting her player, surprise surprise. Have you read any of the interviews? But I'm sure you'll just go ahead and claim the entire team is lying, because you secretly monitor Stork's dreams and know better than to trust.. every single applicable authority regarding the situation. And an interview from a teammate matters? Did you think that they would say things differently? Do you think that person will live peacefully in the same house as everyone else? We don't know they lie or not but that doesn't mean they told the truth of the situation. Even if you read the interview, form an opinion of your own and not just follow their words.
Should we believe more in your assumptions rather than base our opinion on what has been said by his coach and teammates who are as close to the matter as you will never be? Wouldn't that leave us not having an opinion of our own basically? So, you're saying interviews should be treated as bull now and random posts on TL should be viewed as the gospel truth. Very nice. *applause*
It would be bad management and the height of folly indeed to send out in Proleague a player who has dual league matches, when it's your responsibility to maximize his chances of winning. Good job, January.
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On January 27 2011 08:30 PrideNeverDie wrote:
coach january in her pregame interview said the decision to bench stork was her idea and it was so the team stops relying on him and wins on their own strength
And they could have bench him last week or so but why exactly on the day that he has 2 bo5 2 days after? They could have bench him even after the finals or something but there is only 1 reason(that I WILL THINK) to why he's been benched.
On January 27 2011 08:33 Renkaoru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 07:35 Monkeyshark wrote:On January 27 2011 04:59 .Aar wrote:On January 27 2011 04:11 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed. January is protecting her player, surprise surprise. Have you read any of the interviews? But I'm sure you'll just go ahead and claim the entire team is lying, because you secretly monitor Stork's dreams and know better than to trust.. every single applicable authority regarding the situation. And an interview from a teammate matters? Did you think that they would say things differently? Do you think that person will live peacefully in the same house as everyone else? We don't know they lie or not but that doesn't mean they told the truth of the situation. Even if you read the interview, form an opinion of your own and not just follow their words. Should we believe more in your assumptions rather than base our opinion on what has been said by his coach and teammates who are as close to the matter as you will never be? Wouldn't that leave us not having an opinion of our own basically? So, you're saying interviews should be treated as bull now and random posts on TL should be viewed as the gospel truth. Very nice. *applause* It would be bad management and the height of folly indeed to send out in Proleague a player who has dual league matches, when it's your responsibility to maximize his chances of winning. Good job, January.
Is there anything in my post that led you to believe that I try to make people use MY opinion? I was just telling the guy that people can form an opinion of their own and not just believe in whatever was said in the interview. And I stated my opinion about the matter and that's AFTER reading the interview but did I try to make you guys believe it?
Applause to you if you can read it that way.
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On January 27 2011 08:16 infinity2k9 wrote:
Not to mention a notorious map whiner. I don't see whats to like about him other than finally having a Protoss win something. Even if he does win it, it'll still be played down like Calm's MSL victory. Sometimes you get lucky with the brackets and avoid Flash, Jaedong, ZerO, Bisu and Kal (the players i believe who would have the best chance against him and maybe even favoured in a Bo5. prehaps Hydra too now.).
So who is a player worthy of being liked based on personality?
Only players on Woongjin. And FBH.
We like players for their gameplay, or sometimes their physical appearance rofl. Some people just bandwagon whoever's winning at the moment (or pick someone who is winning and attach themselves to that player forever). But true fans, they watch the games and identify reasons to like a player based on their games. Stork is the gutsiest PvTer, pushing in with goons against tanks where angels fear to tread. Or maybe you're a fan of Jangbi storms. Or of Great's late game ZvZ. Not to only use KHAN examples, maybe you enjoy Fantasy's mech wackiness, Baby's supreme multitask, Calm's hilarious fails, Flash's perfect cheese defence...
Whatever it is, it's gameplay that should be motivating who you like as a player. Personality is a great reason to like players, I agree, but 85% of progamers show none. Stork is a bit of a whiner, I agree, though only relative to the other programers who simply say nothing. Some people say they're his fan because of his interviews actually saying something, but to be honest he doesn't seem to often have good things to say :p
None of the other super-popular players have anything good to say, either, though.
Look how many fans fucking Saviour had... no, still has, and he was a straight-up dick. He always looked like an ass to me, too.
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I dunno, just from reading the interview, it seems like it was more a joke =]
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On January 27 2011 07:35 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 04:59 .Aar wrote:On January 27 2011 04:11 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2011 03:59 Confuse wrote:
From January's interview (In the stork/fantasy pre-OSL hype thread):
Skipping PL today wasn't Stork's idea, it was my choice.
Tada! Case closed. January is protecting her player, surprise surprise. Have you read any of the interviews? But I'm sure you'll just go ahead and claim the entire team is lying, because you secretly monitor Stork's dreams and know better than to trust.. every single applicable authority regarding the situation. And an interview from a teammate matters? Did you think that they would say things differently? Do you think that person will live peacefully in the same house as everyone else? We don't know they lie or not but that doesn't mean they told the truth of the situation. Even if you read the interview, form an opinion of your own and not just follow their words.
I don't know about you but to us, it does matter. Rather than form our opinion based on hearsay and assumptive thinking, we resort to what we read in interviews. What I don't understand is what business of yours other people's opinion is anyway. Aren't we entitled to our own opinions?
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He should be practicing for OSL instead cause his ass is getting stomped by fantasy XD
Actually though this seems pretty stupid.. your team is the reason you have a progaming license, your team is the one that supports, houses, and pays you to play, your team should always be the first priority. I can't imagine why he would do that.. since i like stork im hoping his team told him to do this because if he decided it himself thats pretty low.
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>.< of course he is my fpl captain
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On January 27 2011 08:49 funnybananaman wrote:
He should be practicing for OSL instead cause his ass is getting stomped by fantasy XD
Actually though this seems pretty stupid.. your team is the reason you have a progaming license, your team is the one that supports, houses, and pays you to play, your team should always be the first priority. I can't imagine why he would do that.. since i like stork im hoping his team told him to do this because if he decided it himself thats pretty low.
Somebody didn't read the interview....
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