EPTFarmville is worth a gazillion dollars it always shocks me that people who identify themselves are RARGH HARDCORE COMPETITIVE GAMERS don't see that.
Zynga estimated to be worth more than EA - Page 3
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
Farmville is worth a gazillion dollars it always shocks me that people who identify themselves are RARGH HARDCORE COMPETITIVE GAMERS don't see that. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
On November 02 2010 04:49 Ghostcom wrote: And sadly, the western society has turned out to be more and more about catering to the lowest common denominator - just take a look at tv-shows like "dancing with the stars", "X-factor" "America's got talent" or really any reality show there is out there. How is that only a western phenomenon? Every country has that same shit. There have always been karaoke contests and talent shows on Japanese tv. I don't play their games but I think Zynga is brilliant. They have come up with a very good formula for a gaming market most didn't even know existed - the office worker with internet access. Most people can't/won't dedicate multi-hour blocks of time to gaming, but if they can spend 5 minutes here 5 minutes there and get the full experience they are totally into it. It is addictive and fun for a lot of people and really lends itself to spreading via social media networks, marketing tie-ins and moble app sales/ad serving. Fantastic stuff, wish I'd thought of it. | ||
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Roflhaxx
Korea (South)1244 Posts
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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Widar
Sweden261 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 02 2010 04:46 Seide wrote: WoW != farmville/mafia wars. It takes a lot more of a dedication to play it, and it is a different approach to gaming than farmville or mafia wars. Its one of those games that people do enjoy messing around on, but thats really the only similarity. Oho, this should be good. I was in a NA top 50 raiding guild for two expansions and a 2500+ arena team for 4 seasons. Go ahead, explain to me what kind of game WoW is and the "dedication" involved in playing it. On November 02 2010 04:58 Myles wrote: I never said that he couldn't dislike the games or think other games are better. But being mad because it's successful, imo, is elitist. And? What's your point? That it's bad because it's elitist, or it's elitist because it's bad? Do you even have a point? Or are you just here to say "but that's elitist mang!" and then let everyone else just naturally work their way from there to the conclusion you want? | ||
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DejaVu119
United States131 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On November 02 2010 05:09 Roflhaxx wrote: Happy, EA makes horrible games. EA puts out a ton of games so there are bound to be many bad ones, but the overall quality of the stuff they put out has gotten better over the last couple of years. | ||
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
On November 02 2010 04:38 Bosu wrote: Pretty hard to feel angry about it. EA/Activision have the resources to compete. No they don't...  they have the capability to the resources to compete (which is an important distinction), and I'm pretty sure they're looking into it nowWhy would anybody be mad about this? Call Farmville crappy, the end of gaming, whatever you want...but if you condemn it based on its merits as a game, you compare it to games like SC. Like it has the same purpose, let alone suggesting its in the same league. Way to shove a finger up your own ass lol. It's the 'killer app' of the new generation of social games & their integration. I have no problem with games becoming more prevalent in our society or our lives. They're not stealing fans from the traditional games we're used to, they might be bigger than EA but that's fine--they target the housewives, the children, the demographics EA can't reasonably touch right now. Now these examples have no specific empirical merit because they're from my personal life, but the point is people who don't usually play games are playing this game and other games from Zynga. And its successful. While that doesn't mean we'll be getting an influx of 40-something housewives due to Farmville, the continuous, explosive and unpredicted rise of gaming companies demonstrate how much room there still is to grow. And the more pervasive the cultivation of "gaming" as something everybody can do, not some young, christian adolescent male (as Gamefly aggravatingly seems to be targeting) is better for all gaming and, specifically, e-sports. So when I read 'Zynga is bigger than EA,' I thought "Oh fuck" also. But based on the comments here I thought of it in a completely different way | ||
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
On November 02 2010 05:06 heyoka wrote: What shady/unethical practices? I'm not surprised, but not at all knowledgeable about what they do. Farmville is worth a gazillion dollars it always shocks me that people who identify themselves are RARGH HARDCORE COMPETITIVE GAMERS don't see that. well RARGH HARDCORE COMPETITIVE GAMERS have played a lot of video games, and therefore have had exposure to both high quality, and low quality video games. They perceive the games made by Zynga to be low quality and therefore have trouble understanding why its so popular, and why its worth anything. Zynga's success has nothing to do with gameplay, story telling, production value, competition, or anything else traditionally associated with gaming and everything to do with business(10million people buying a virtual cow for $1) and sociology(im gonna go play that popular easily accessible thing). When you think about them first as a traditional game developer its not hard to see why RARGH HARDCORE COMPETITIVE GAMERS don't see it as being valuable. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
Only EA game i ever liked was Command & Conquer: Renegade  | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 02 2010 05:02 Seide wrote: Its not about having your own opinion, or not liking something, its the way you approach it. Saying, "McDonals is popular but I dont like their food because I believe it to be low quality" is a different satement than "McDonalds doesn't deserve to be popular because their food is cheap, low quality and appeals to the idiot masses". One is voicing your own opinion. The other is voicing your own opinion while stepping on and demeaning others who you see as lesser than yourself. Like for example calling people who enjoy those casual games "idiots". yeah youre right. but the line is pretty thin. cause the "McDonalds doesn't deserve to be popular because their food is cheap, low quality and appeals to the idiot masses" is 100% true and not debatable if you cut out the part about the idiot masses. and evryone is elitist then. cause evryone thought "oh god why that crap song again... why is that stuff so popular people must be stupid" when annoying song X is on the radio. or how about people hating on the twilight hype? waht did you think about people following sarah palin? countless examples. imho that is just normal and evryone does it. calling someone out for it looks like hypocrisy to me. its even more reasonable when the the things success has bad influence on stuff you like. and i dobut anyone can deny that games today are getting more and more stupid cause companies rather milk COD clone #231 with 80 overprized dlcs then making innovative quality games. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
Story here Its actually a pretty big deal because companies have been collecting data about an anonymous internet address for years, and now this leak allows them do identify you by name, address, whatever other public info you have on facebook. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
but fear not! it only said its STOCK value are higher than the real game developers, it could be just another internet bubble...like many cases in the stock market history... | ||
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endGame
United States394 Posts
On November 02 2010 04:46 Seide wrote: WoW != farmville/mafia wars. It takes a lot more of a dedication to play it, and it is a different approach to gaming than farmville or mafia wars. Its one of those games that people do enjoy messing around on, but thats really the only similarity. Actually Krigwin does have a point. WoW's latest trend has been to cater specifically to the "casual" crowd, watering down the difficulty and making the game easily accessible for anyone with a pulse. The difficulties of the encounters dropped dramatically from TBC to WotLK, so Blizzard in a sense has been catering to the lowest common denominator. Farmville and Mafia Wars are just the extreme of what Blizzards views on WoW have been leaning to: homogenizing the player base by lowering the difficulty in order to appeal to the widest audience possible. Unfortunately that kind of game doesn't necessarily appeal to people who have more competitive spirits and want to differentiate themselves from other players by improving their skills. I guess that's what we have Starcraft for though, right Blizzard? ^^ | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On November 02 2010 05:15 Krigwin wrote: Oho, this should be good. I was in a NA top 50 raiding guild for two expansions and a 2500+ arena team for 4 seasons. Go ahead, explain to me what kind of game WoW is and the "dedication" involved in playing it. I dont understand your hostility for the simple statement of "wow takes more dedication to play than farmville". Do you disagree with this or something? All you really did with that statement is whip out your e-dick out and wave it around, but did nothing of value with it. Congradulations on your achievements...? I come from a similar WoW background as you. Raided with Rush/Gentlemens Club and did some high level PvP, though the PvP mostly in vanilla, arenas I stopped after getting glad in season 1 and 2. It is not anything special. While WoW has been appealing to the casual crowd, it is not on the same level of casual as Farmville or Mafia Wars. You are not going to get server first kills or gladiator ranking in arena playing the same type of "casual" as you do in those games. Content in WoW is on a timeframe, things are made easier and more accessible to casuals as time goes on and the content ages. As there is no point to locking that content away from them, just because they dont want to put in the same amount of time as the guild who got server 1st, and is already bored out of their minds killing the same thing, week after week. | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
But regardless, their earnings compared to expenditures is probably outrageous. | ||
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
On November 02 2010 04:20 AJMcSpiffy wrote: This doesn't bother me at all. They found their market and set up a great formula for mass appeal games. They deserve the money they make off of it. This, a hundred times this. Zyngea or whatever it is called is the fast food market of video games. Are their products good for you? Hell no. Are they delicious? Not really. Does just about everyone eat fast food at some point in any given month? Yes. Does just about everyone eat out at a nice restaurant (aka the SC2's of the food world for those who I've lost with the metaphor) every single month? No. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
Since the dawn of industry smart people have realized they can make a lot of money by exploiting not-as-smart people and selling them addictive crap. How many wars and disputes have been fought and countless dollars have been wasted over drugs? It took decades for people to realize nicotine is addictive, and then even more years (and lots of angry lawsuits) later for us to restrict tobacco to the level that we do today, and tobacco companies are still getting around it - snus, electronic cigarettes, etc. McDonald's has made such a huge business and global presence through dastardly economic manipulation and exploitation of its target market worthy of a Bond movie. Everything from the psychological traps aimed at children (playgrounds, subliminal branding, etc), to the chemical engineering of its food to be as empty and addictive as possible, to the Wal-Mart-esque economic bullying of suppliers and local markets to muscle out as much competition as possible. When you look at all of these combined factors, are you still going to say stupid nonsense like "McDonald's is just popular because people have different tastes and if you're angry you're just elitist!"? The same with Zynga. I don't know how many of you have actually played Farmville, but it's not actually a game. It's a cleverly-engineered psychological trap created by an actual behavioral psychologist and an unscrupulous, sleazy businessman with no concept of quality or game design. It uses every contemptible trick in the book to spread itself and keep people hooked, from dressing up spam as Facebook messages, to a rotating catalogue of copied and/or outright stolen content, to using guilt trips as an actual game mechanic to keep people playing, to using fictional monopoly money to disguise the real amount of money players are spending, to mastercrafting the illusion of "free" while at the same time running possibly the world's largest microtransaction scheme. If these tactics sound familiar, they should - everyone from EA with the Sims to Blizzard with WoW are doing this same shit, and they're going to keep on doing it because it's profitable, and if you're going to call me elitist for "demeaning" the people "lesser" than myself for falling for this shit, then I guess I just must be elitist. | ||
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