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thehappyman
United Kingdom2 Posts
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Falcon_NL
Netherlands236 Posts
he rolled IdrA with plain blink stalkers play straight up 3 games in a row and he took the game  . | ||
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Nazarid
United States445 Posts
On November 10 2010 01:10 bokeevboke wrote: I suggest you to imagine Protoss ball of death in right hands (by in right hands I mean Tester/Genious/HuK playing). Ball of death consists of HT, Colossi, Stalker, Zealot, Sentry, Immortal. Now, as a terran what can you do vs that? Die a horrid death! -Of course you can go mass Thor, but its unrealistic, you don't have enough factories. -Tanks? Protoss will just walk away and take expo. -MMM? they're melted right away. -EMP? again, protoss walks away since you can't attack kiting Colossis. Thats called protoss late game advantage. But the actual problem is that protoss just don't survive till late game. Its Dilemma, which can be solved only by Blizzard. yay a post that reveals why protoss late game is so hard, sadly even at the GSL protoss cant figure their shit out and win every game like they should vs terran with their current advantage only reason they don't win vs every terran comes down to 300+ apm drops and just utter harrasement till they just don't have money any more | ||
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Knutzi
Norway664 Posts
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On November 10 2010 01:28 Koh wrote: I think what makes the Protoss ball with HT so effective, for the majority of non-pro microers, is the fact that in order to allow a ghost to get close enough to EMP the HTs, you need troops defending the ghost to stop it being killed (as there's always an observer in the mix), so you need to send your troops in to make sure that it's safe to send your troops in... tricky! Don't get me wrong, I just think it's very challenging, not unfair! What did you think protoss players have to do in order to use storm? Remember too that templars are slower, more visible, and have a shorter range than ghosts. If the protoss player can use templars effectively, you would certainly expect a terran of the same skill level to be able to land EMPs without much trouble. | ||
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90ti
United States100 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 10 2010 02:15 90ti wrote: ghosts can cloak and hide much easier than the templars, which are basically screaming, "I'M HERE EMP HERE," at which point they turn into useless archons with nerfed attack speed/splash radius. At the minimum the morphing should be faster than it is now. archon morph was already buffed and they are FAR from useless. they tank more rauderhits then any other P unit and deal very very solid dmg. most underused unit in the game imho. | ||
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TungVu
Vietnam25 Posts
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Wayem
France455 Posts
I can do the same: Scan, snipe observers Cloak/Emp sentry/templars Kill colossi with vikings, stalkers with stim marauders ??? Profit What has been shown IN REALITY is that supposed death protoss ball never has time to form... "maybe" it would be overpowered. Maybe. But thing is, protoss has never time to get it. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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Rea
Germany88 Posts
On November 10 2010 02:24 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: archon morph was already buffed and they are FAR from useless. they tank more rauderhits then any other P unit and deal very very solid dmg. most underused unit in the game imho. 300 gas, i might add | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
On November 10 2010 03:05 Wayem wrote: All the terran theorycrafting here is amazing... you know all you say is bullshit right ? I can do the same: Scan, snipe observers Cloak/Emp sentry/templars Kill colossi with vikings, stalkers with stim marauders ??? Profit What has been shown IN REALITY is that supposed death protoss ball never has time to form... "maybe" it would be overpowered. Maybe. But thing is, protoss has never time to get it. i lol'd, i like you. | ||
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
On November 10 2010 03:57 stroggos wrote: whats really shocking is that blizzard ignores the fact that protoss is the most played race, followed by terran and zerg. If this game were balanced then there would be more protoss in the top 200 than terran, and more terran than z. Exactly, in the first GSL the race with the most players qualified was protoss but the semis were 3 terran and a zerg. In the second GSL protoss had the second most players qualified but the semis were 3 terran and a zerg. You guys can theorycraft all you want about what unit mix beats what, but the statistics do not lie, Protoss does not do well at the highest levels and that is the problem. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/jingjing/ not quite as bad as zerg complaints were a month ago, but getting close | ||
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ToInfinity
Netherlands61 Posts
On November 10 2010 04:30 Moragon wrote: Exactly, in the first GSL the race with the most players qualified was protoss but the semis were 3 terran and a zerg. In the second GSL protoss had the second most players qualified but the semis were 3 terran and a zerg. You guys can theorycraft all you want about what unit mix beats what, but the statistics do not lie, Protoss does not do well at the highest levels and that is the problem. 2 tourneys is a great sample | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
results are similar in most of the european/NA tourneys and most of the online tourneys | ||
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
2 tourneys is a great sample And the top 200 which I was responding to. For example in NA top 200 there are 51 toss, 62 zerg, and 75 terran even though Protoss is the most played race. I dont have the time but you could compile the other regions top 200's and see the same thing with whatever sample size you want. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On November 10 2010 02:24 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: archon morph was already buffed and they are FAR from useless. they tank more rauderhits then any other P unit and deal very very solid dmg. most underused unit in the game imho. Yup, they tank when the battle is already over. Generally morphing archons is a waste. If i win the battle i'd rather have the templars back, if i lose it, by the time they (if) finished morphing they will be killed pretty fast. I really don't get why they aren't more powerful. Perhaps the problem would be storming then morhping would be OP, on which case they could simply make it so they could only be morphed if the templars had above a certain value of energy Anyway, how they are now, they should be one of most useless units ig. Pretty sad for such a cool unit. | ||
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Sarkasar
United States21 Posts
On November 10 2010 05:09 Moragon wrote: And the top 200 which I was responding to. For example in NA top 200 there are 51 toss, 62 zerg, and 75 terran even though Protoss is the most played race. I dont have the time but you could compile the other regions top 200's and see the same thing with whatever sample size you want. Just because they are the most played race, and the least represented in the top 200 doesn't mean they are underpowered. If everyone had the same skill level then sure, what you are saying would be true. For all we know the race is fine, but they have less high level players playing that race. Protoss did pretty well in MLG last weekend, certainly a lot better than the Zerg players. Maybe foreigners have a better philosophy when it comes to Protoss or something. | ||
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
For all we know the race is fine, but they have less high level players playing that race. You act like that isnt a problem in itself. No high level players are going to switch to protoss without a buff and they will continue to suck at the pro level. Either way something has to be done. | ||
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