On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote: Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.
I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.
Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.
If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.
fanboyism much?
Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.
You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.
So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?
The biggest issuses with learning to play RTSs is the mindset, macro,micro,and the general APM needed. Once you achieve these you can pretty much master quickly if it is similar to the one you are use to, and I think SC2 is quite similar to SC:BW
Also I wouldnt insult NaDa by calling him a god he is something much better
On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote: Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.
I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.
Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.
If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.
fanboyism much?
Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.
You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.
So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?
The biggest issuses with learning to play RTSs is the mindset, macro,micro,and the general APM needed. Once you achieve these you can pretty much master quickly if it is similar to the one you are use to, and I think SC2 is quite similar to SC:BW
Also I wouldnt insult NaDa by calling him a god he is something much better
Its not just about the mechanics. Nada will be promoted to diamond almost immeidately. But the difference between TLO and a 500-800 diamond player is HUUUUUGGGEE. Its the experience and knowing the limits of every unit, micro wise, the entire picture of the game is much clearer in TLO. Its not just about knowing builds but knowing how to alter and how to get away with risks and turning them into successes. You don't gain all that in a week sorry, idc who you are.
You guys are gonna be in for a big surprise. The Korean scene is way behind on SC2 right now. Will it eventually pass the Western level of skill? Probably. Will it be as dominant as it was in SC1? No. Watch some of the top Korean replays right now... it's almost laughable. They pull off some cute micro tricks I'll admit, but their macro game is way behind the top Western players right now.
Take a look at WC3... were the top players Korean? To some extent, but there were Western players who consistently were able to play amongst and beat them. Take Grubby for example.
Of course the whole Moon vs Grubby debate is epic... so maybe I shouldn't go there
On August 21 2010 10:41 muzzy wrote: lol, so much fanboyism...
You guys are gonna be in for a big surprise. The Korean scene is way behind on SC2 right now. Will it eventually pass the Western level of skill? Probably. Will it be as dominant as it was in SC1? No. Watch some of the top Korean replays right now... it's almost laughable. They pull off some cute micro tricks I'll admit, but their macro game is way behind the top Western players right now.
Take a look at WC3... were the top players Korean? To some extent, but there were Western players who consistently were able to play amongst and beat them. Take Grubby for example.
Of course the whole Moon vs Grubby debate is epic... so maybe I shouldn't go there
but koreans are god, they are good at everything, if we go all-in we are noob, if they go all-in its becuase they have epic micro! they spent 32949014312 hours in sc1 broodwar to get to where they were, it makes perfect sense that in 1 week they will beat the best westerners !
On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote: Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.
I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.
Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.
If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.
fanboyism much?
Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.
You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.
So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?
Well
Skip to 14:00 Top gamers are genetically equiped to play the game.
You are assuming that all the skill comes from playing the game. Sadly, whatever you want to believe some people are better in play the piano than others, some people are just better Tennis players (mental and/or physical aspect) than others and some people are just better gamer than others. Because end of the day, there are people who puts in so much effort in one thing and eventually they have to face another person who is gifted and puts effort into the same thing.
Of course it's not because Nada has 'Korean genetics' that he's a good RTS player. Look at it this way a lot of Koreans play starcraft. A lot of them would practice 5+hr a day. At least one of those who put a lot of effort in the game have to be genetically better than others. Not everyone's brain functions in the same way. Some are most artistic and some are more mathematical.
The real question is though, isn't TLO somewhat naturally gifted too?
On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote: Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.
I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.
Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.
If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.
fanboyism much?
Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.
You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.
So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?
You are assuming that all the skill comes from playing the game. Sadly, whatever you want to believe some people are better in play the piano than others, some people are just better Tennis players (mental and/or physical aspect) than others and some people are just better gamer than others. Because end of the day, there are people who puts in so much effort in one thing and eventually they have to face another person who is gifted and puts effort into the same thing.
Of course it's not because Nada has 'Korean genetics' that he's a good RTS player. Look at it this way a lot of Koreans play starcraft. A lot of them would practice 5+hr a day. At least one of those who put a lot of effort in the game have to be genetically better than others. Not everyone's brain functions in the same way. Some are most artistic and some are more mathematical.
The real question is though, isn't TLO somewhat naturally gifted too?
No the question is: Will TLO make nukes and/or Battlecruisers?
On August 21 2010 08:36 muzzy wrote: Nada is great and all, but c'mon you guys, if you think he will beat TLO you are delusional. It's a new game that TLO has been all over, and Nada has barely played. Koreans aren't innately unbeatable by Western gamers.
I think people are more excited by the simple fact that NaDa is playing rather than the remote possibility that he could beat TLO.
Oh ya, I totally agree with that. Just replying to the number of posters who seem to feel that "With a little practice" Nada would beat TLO. It would take more than "a little" practice to beat someone of TLO's caliber, no matter what your past experience with RTS is. No offense to Nada, 'cause he's an amazing player. That just applies to everyone.
If Flash switched over to SC2, he would probably destroy TLO with 1 week of practice. True story.
fanboyism much?
Il give flash 3 weeks and he will stil get face rolled by TLO.
You guys treat these korean players like they are GODS of gaming or some sh1t. You do realize that these people put 12 hours EVERYDAY into BW for MANY YEARS to get to where they are.
So you expect them to come in sc2 with 1 week and just own?
You realize that all those years playing BW almost directly carry over to SC2? Foreigners have a slightly better chance with SC2, since the mechanical skill cap is lower, but I don't think that will change anything.
Without even playing, Flash's mechanics are already better than every amateur diamond player. The only reason people might beat him right away is lack of knowledge of the builds, units, counters, etc.
So yes, I do think Flash would dominate after a few weeks of practice. I'm not saying it's out of the realm of possibility that TLO could beat him, but Flash would absolutely be keeping pace with the current SC2 pros.
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