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UbOs
Profile Joined February 2009
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 20:12:24
August 13 2010 20:11 GMT
#201
this thread is much to large to read, but i'd like to add (if it hasn't already) when I was in highschool, kids used the phrase "i raped that test" all the time. I thought it was a funny way to put it at the time, but we found out in ap lang that one of the girls in our class was raped. Even if she didn't care at all, i think humans should have enough decency to use a different wording just in case she does care, you never know who has been raped, especially since they rapin errbody out heeyuh.

seriously though, it's SO much easier to not say rape than it is to get over the psychological damage of being raped.
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
August 13 2010 20:12 GMT
#202
On August 14 2010 05:11 EleanorRIgby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:09 Megalisk wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:06 choboPEon wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:03 Megalisk wrote:
inb4 kids agree with nony solely because he is nony without actually reading the thread


you read the thread. it's full of bizarre hypothetical defenses and chest-thumping selfishness. "I won't change my vocabulary if it hurts someone! THAT'S FREEDOM BABY!"



Ok I'm sorry, I'll stop using rape and only stick to the norm like "kill". Oh wait whats that? Thousands
of more people are killed everyday than raped. I guess I cant use that either because its offensive. Those zealots got "snugglepuffed" by those vultures. Now thats more like it!~


lol indeed


yeah because the 'norms' reduce your degree of articulation into words of complete semantic irrelevance like "snugglepuff"
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
August 13 2010 20:13 GMT
#203
On August 14 2010 05:12 FireBlast! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:11 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:09 Megalisk wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:06 choboPEon wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:03 Megalisk wrote:
inb4 kids agree with nony solely because he is nony without actually reading the thread


you read the thread. it's full of bizarre hypothetical defenses and chest-thumping selfishness. "I won't change my vocabulary if it hurts someone! THAT'S FREEDOM BABY!"



Ok I'm sorry, I'll stop using rape and only stick to the norm like "kill". Oh wait whats that? Thousands
of more people are killed everyday than raped. I guess I cant use that either because its offensive. Those zealots got "snugglepuffed" by those vultures. Now thats more like it!~


lol indeed


yeah because the 'norms' reduce your degree of articulation into words of complete semantic irrelevance like "snugglepuff"


Best watch out homie or I'll have to snugglepuff u.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
August 13 2010 20:13 GMT
#204
On August 14 2010 05:06 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:01 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I agree with the OP but I'm losing my will to provide good arguments for my opinions because they hardly ever make a difference amongst this crowd. I suppose most gamers have a strong enough combination of feebleness and selfishness that improving their vocabulary for this cause is an insurmountable task. But they feel a bit of guilt so they must repel it with embarrassingly stupid rationalizations and that's the purpose this thread now seems to serve.

It's far more selfish for someone to ask me to censor myself so they cannot be offended by their own ignorance than it is for me to speak freely and risk them hurting themselves.
As I said on the first page, I don't use the word, but I will always object whenever anyone demands censorship to avoid their own issues, be it religious, scientific or emotional.


Oh, please, not "censorship" now. He's trying to convince people not to use a word in a certain way because he thinks it's bad. If you're not convinced, you're not convinced. You keep using it or tolerating it or defending it. Fine. People deciding for themselves what to say and what not to say has nothing to do with censorship at all. At all.

And if I got it right, he did not say "stop it, it offends me", but "stop it, it potentially hurts countless rape victims". The former would be selfish, the latter not so much.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 13 2010 20:13 GMT
#205
On August 14 2010 05:11 UbOs wrote:
this thread is much to large to read, but i'd like to add (if it hasn't already) when I was in highschool, kids used the phrase "i raped that test" all the time. I thought it was a funny way to put it at the time, but we found out in ap lang that one of the girls in our class was raped. Even if she didn't care at all, i think humans should have enough decency to use a different wording just in case she does care, you never know who has been raped, especially since they rapin errbody out heeyuh.

seriously though, it's SO much easier to not say rape than it is to get over the psychological damage of being raped.

Except you gain nothing by not saying rape, and they gain everything by getting over their psychological damage.
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FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 20:14:43
August 13 2010 20:14 GMT
#206
On August 14 2010 05:13 Megalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:12 FireBlast! wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:11 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:09 Megalisk wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:06 choboPEon wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:03 Megalisk wrote:
inb4 kids agree with nony solely because he is nony without actually reading the thread


you read the thread. it's full of bizarre hypothetical defenses and chest-thumping selfishness. "I won't change my vocabulary if it hurts someone! THAT'S FREEDOM BABY!"



Ok I'm sorry, I'll stop using rape and only stick to the norm like "kill". Oh wait whats that? Thousands
of more people are killed everyday than raped. I guess I cant use that either because its offensive. Those zealots got "snugglepuffed" by those vultures. Now thats more like it!~


lol indeed


yeah because the 'norms' reduce your degree of articulation into words of complete semantic irrelevance like "snugglepuff"


Best watch out homie or I'll have to snugglepuff u.


Be my guest, ill dragonite you to into submission
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
August 13 2010 20:15 GMT
#207
On August 14 2010 05:14 FireBlast! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:13 Megalisk wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:12 FireBlast! wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:11 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:09 Megalisk wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:06 choboPEon wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:03 Megalisk wrote:
inb4 kids agree with nony solely because he is nony without actually reading the thread


you read the thread. it's full of bizarre hypothetical defenses and chest-thumping selfishness. "I won't change my vocabulary if it hurts someone! THAT'S FREEDOM BABY!"



Ok I'm sorry, I'll stop using rape and only stick to the norm like "kill". Oh wait whats that? Thousands
of more people are killed everyday than raped. I guess I cant use that either because its offensive. Those zealots got "snugglepuffed" by those vultures. Now thats more like it!~


lol indeed


yeah because the 'norms' reduce your degree of articulation into words of complete semantic irrelevance like "snugglepuff"


Best watch out homie or I'll have to snugglepuff u.


Be my guest, ill dragonite you to into submission


I once owned a dragonite, but hes gone now . Please change your post I find it offensive .
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 13 2010 20:15 GMT
#208
"rape" is so clearly hyperbole.

i mean if you're watching baseball and someone hits the ball really hard you could say "oh my god, he absolutely murdered that ball." or even worse "he killed it out there." sometimes i even hear "he totally abused him down low" which is clearly talking about basketball and playing in the post.

but that does not diminish the crime of murder, or killing or any kind of abuse.

me personally i use "destroyed." as in "i went over to play SF4 and i just got straight destroyed."

but still, i don't see the problem in using "rape."

i am against the word "gay" though, because you took a term that defines a group of people and are applying it to something negative, making it seem like the original meaning is also negative.
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1782 Posts
August 13 2010 20:15 GMT
#209
Unfortunately, when I see a bunch of marines getting shredded by stop lurkers, only one word comes to mind. Also, I don't like to use "PWNED". Maybe "Terrible, Terrible Damage" is the right substitute. Long though.
Leee Jaee Doong
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
August 13 2010 20:15 GMT
#210
Agree with OP. Giving rape a double meaning (well, triple if you count the plant) in the way it does, where the action of rape in one context is a glorification of 'the rapist', while in the other context it is one of the most gruesome things in life, is bad. Me saying it is bad won't help out the cause of getting rid of it at all, but perhaps those 'in power' for such things, mainly casters, could make a difference. If they so feel like, of course.

The statistics for sexual harassment are shocking. It's hard to find some global statics, I googled this and I've read numbers between 50% and 80% before. There are a lot of people who don't feel comfortable with the usage of such a word, think about it. Even if peer pressure makes you fear to be seen as a wuss for abstaining from using 'rape' the wrong way.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 20:18:12
August 13 2010 20:16 GMT
#211
ok cool lets shift over to "LOL YOU GOT HOLOCAUSTED," since the demographic that is offended by that is decreasing per day.


more seriously though, i think the use of "rape" in videogame domination context actually contains a bit of sympathy for the victim? or maybe this is just in my head?
~\(。◕‿‿◕。)/~,,,,,,,,>
matt09
Profile Joined May 2010
United States21 Posts
August 13 2010 20:16 GMT
#212
freedom of speech...
im a zerg guy.
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 20:19:42
August 13 2010 20:16 GMT
#213
Freedom of speech!

We can say what we want, as long as it isnt rascism. No single person who claims a word is sensitive can tell us not to use that word.


"Red" is a sensitive word to me , i associate it with bleeding - pls refrain from using that word in the future thx gg no re
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
August 13 2010 20:17 GMT
#214
On August 14 2010 04:01 KwarK wrote:
He's slaughtering those zealots could be offensive to victims of genocide.

Words have meanings. In gaming to rape does not mean to sexually assault the unit or player in question. If anyone was in any way unclear about that then I can see why they might be shocked until the matter was cleared up. But I cannot understand why a word, which at this point is simply a homonym, should be banned because a tiny minority of people associate it with something other than the intended meaning.

In gaming culture rape is not an offensive word. I don't use it but this is almost as bad as people who claim the word niggardly is racist because it sounds kinda like nigger.


On August 14 2010 04:27 KwarK wrote:
Unfortunately rape does not simply mean rape.
–verb (used with object)
6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.
7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.
8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.

When you rape someones base then the logical application of the verb would be definition 7, to plunder or despoil. Choosing to misinterpret it with definition 6, despite it being clearly absurd when applied to a collection of buildings, is just bad english.
Words in english have multiple meanings in different contexts.


That's sound nice and cool, let's confront it with reality (all quotes are from TL using the search engine)

but I'm sure Zerg will be raped in the ass so badly

It would not, zerg can at least pressure now, and not have to get raped in the ass by reapers and helions and zealots early one

goes hatch first on BS, ZvZ, i'm like ok, free win, great, i brake down the rox, get my exp mass speedlings to rape his noob ass, so he goes

You'll get raped in the ass by templar and reavers

I hope Holland will rape you hard in the ass


Yeah, I'm sure all those people meant "to plunder or despoil they ass"...wait what?

Like it or not, use it or not, but is pretty clear the word rape became popular because of the sexual meaning. Don't try to deny it...
mint_julep
Profile Joined October 2009
United States254 Posts
August 13 2010 20:17 GMT
#215
On August 14 2010 04:42 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:41 mint_julep wrote:
'Gay' and 'Faggot' as derogatory are stupid homophobic bullshit. It would be no different from calling someone a n*gg*r for cheesing etc.

Rape on the other hand has been used to mean utter destruction in a non sexual way outside of gaming for a long time.

Ever heard of "The Rape of Nanking"?

Rape of Nanking is probably not a great example of using rape in a non sexual way (unless your history books were printed in Japan).



Sexual rape happened in Nanking. The word 'rape' in 'The Rape of Nanking' refers to what happened to the place in totality, i.e. pillage, destruction, and the sexual rape and murder of its inhabitants. The word is not used sexually in the phrase.

I'm sure there is an example that refers to set of actions that does not contain the action of sexual rape which would be more clean for those who blur ideas together when thinking about them but it really is unnecessary to prove the point.
I hope Plexa's sig is right.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 20:18:31
August 13 2010 20:17 GMT
#216
On August 14 2010 05:15 kainzero wrote:
"rape" is so clearly hyperbole.

i mean if you're watching baseball and someone hits the ball really hard you could say "oh my god, he absolutely murdered that ball." or even worse "he killed it out there." sometimes i even hear "he totally abused him down low" which is clearly talking about basketball and playing in the post.

but that does not diminish the crime of murder, or killing or any kind of abuse.

me personally i use "destroyed." as in "i went over to play SF4 and i just got straight destroyed."

but still, i don't see the problem in using "rape."

i am against the word "gay" though, because you took a term that defines a group of people and are applying it to something negative, making it seem like the original meaning is also negative.


As an American, I saw the events of 9/11 unfold before my eyes that fateful morning at 8:46 AM. Seeing the towers destroyed and our country turned in this direction has scared me for life. Please refrain from using the word destroyed. Thank you and god bless.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
August 13 2010 20:17 GMT
#217
On August 14 2010 05:06 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:01 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I agree with the OP but I'm losing my will to provide good arguments for my opinions because they hardly ever make a difference amongst this crowd. I suppose most gamers have a strong enough combination of feebleness and selfishness that improving their vocabulary for this cause is an insurmountable task. But they feel a bit of guilt so they must repel it with embarrassingly stupid rationalizations and that's the purpose this thread now seems to serve.

It's far more selfish for someone to ask me to censor myself so they cannot be offended by their own ignorance than it is for me to speak freely and risk them hurting themselves.
As I said on the first page, I don't use the word, but I will always object whenever anyone demands censorship to avoid their own issues, be it religious, scientific or emotional.


+1

Some people should really stop being offended by EVERYTHING. Dont tell us what to say and what not to say. We are adults. We have a free will and a mind of our own.
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
August 13 2010 20:17 GMT
#218
On August 14 2010 05:15 Megalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:14 FireBlast! wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:13 Megalisk wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:12 FireBlast! wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:11 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:09 Megalisk wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:06 choboPEon wrote:
On August 14 2010 05:03 Megalisk wrote:
inb4 kids agree with nony solely because he is nony without actually reading the thread


you read the thread. it's full of bizarre hypothetical defenses and chest-thumping selfishness. "I won't change my vocabulary if it hurts someone! THAT'S FREEDOM BABY!"



Ok I'm sorry, I'll stop using rape and only stick to the norm like "kill". Oh wait whats that? Thousands
of more people are killed everyday than raped. I guess I cant use that either because its offensive. Those zealots got "snugglepuffed" by those vultures. Now thats more like it!~


lol indeed


yeah because the 'norms' reduce your degree of articulation into words of complete semantic irrelevance like "snugglepuff"


Best watch out homie or I'll have to snugglepuff u.


Be my guest, ill dragonite you to into submission


I once owned a dragonite, but hes gone now . Please change your post I find it offensive .


I'll inform you that a dragonite is but a fictitious video game character, and that you should not be taking tongue-in-cheek offence
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 20:17 GMT
#219
On August 14 2010 05:06 Moop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 04:54 Osmoses wrote:

Morals are not debatable. There are no simple answers.

Don't worry son, you'll grow out of it.


They are debatable just because there are no simple answers. That's how our morals have progressed over the last couple of thousand years, through philosophy and debate.


An issue is debatable when it has an obtainable, but not simple answer. There are no obtainable answers in morality. Morals have never been debated through philosophy before. A major example is the controversy about abortions. Some people believe that abortion is immoral because it's murder. Why? Because it just is. Meanwhile philosophers tackle this issue through trying to define the beginning of life, studying the societal and maternal impacts, the value of a potential human being, etc. All of which are based on logical reasoning and do not encompass morality. Yet there are still people saying abortion is murder because it just is, which denies morality progressing at all since the stone age.
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
August 13 2010 20:17 GMT
#220
On August 14 2010 05:10 choboPEon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 05:02 iSiN wrote:
If I say faggot it doesn't mean I'm homophobic, look at the meaning behind my yelling. If I look at a homosexual and snarl the word faggot and turn up my nose that's homophobic, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD FAGGOT all of my actions tone and body language are what is offensive the word is just there to ensure they remember exactly what I was doing to them.


You don't mean to be homophobic when you say faggot, but the gay dude who got the shit beaten out of him in school and had to go through hell growing up and was constantly called faggot .. well, he needs to realize that words have different meanings? How about, instead, you realize that words don't exist in a vacuum. You don't get to make up what words mean, despite what people in this thread tell you. Rape and faggot have long histories and although words do change over time, these two words have not lost any of their more terrible meanings.

This actually reminds me of my younger cousin calling on of my friends' friend a faggot, and he like stormed out of the apartment and got really pissed and I never bothered to understand or think why some homosexuals get so offended by the word until I read this post. It's a little sad that it took me this long to realize this, but like I said, I just never bothered.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
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