I'm in Korea visiting and went to a club in Korea (NB in Gangnam) for the first time yesterday. It was very different than I expected. All the girls are super super conservative and dance rated G. No freaking and they dance the same way for like hours. The girls want to dance by themselves and when guys approach girls, most of the guys get rejected. A lot of couples come to the clubs and only dance with each other. Some couples dance less conservative. In general most of the girls dance by themselves. Even some guys just dance with a group of friends. I thought it was really awkward at first.
I'm sure there's a different approach to all this? I got rejected so many times with different approaches... it's just so different. It isn't just me either, I've seen sooooo many native Koreans get rejected. I 'freaked' with like one girl (conservative freaking).
Well, in my experience the smaller less crowded places are better for really getting a girlfriend and such since you can actually talk and meet people. The really crowded places are good if you want to just get some physical contact I suppose. Basically what you do is you stand behind a girl, grab her waist and hope she responds positively. They sometimes have one of their girlfriends signal them if the guy that's approaching her is attractive or not. Personally I don't like it since you can't talk nor are you really able to see her face, but that's how it goes.
Some other Korea-specific tips: 1. Getting a phone number doesn't mean much. Don't think you got a 2nd date even if you managed to get her number. They almost give their phone number to anyone that asks and then just ignore the messages/calls if they have no interest. 2. Don't ignore the guys. Get friendly with the group. If you think you hit it off with a girl don't expect her to simply leave her group of friends for you (she'll look slutty). Instead get her number, let her leave, then ask her to come back with a text message (so her friends don't notice!). She'll say bye to her friends, get in a taxi, and then get out again real soon to meet you some place. 3. Go drinking with her. Most party girls drink a lot too in Korea, and really, getting drunk together is the best way to get intimate.
Do they still have the deal where if you buy admission to NoiseBasement/Harlem, you get into the other one as well? That's what I did, and what I found was that usually one club will get packed while the other stays kinda dead. When I was there club Harlem was definitely way more packed, and it wasn't hard at all to dance with girls.. I guess to be fair I was there in the winter, near New Year's (1/1, not the lunar new year) and so a lot of people were out partying. Another approach is to go with a group that includes some females (ideally the m/f ratio would be less than 1, but that's difficult sometimes) and dance with them.
I hope you have a good approach before you even start to think about grinding with some of them. The consensus I get from many women is that they don't like getting their 'freak' on unless they're really into the guy and yeah Korean culture is a lot more conservative, so you have to adjust your approach accordingly. I'd put the charm on heavy and show them I know how to move before seducing them.
On August 10 2010 00:07 Glacius0 wrote: Well, in my experience the smaller less crowded places are better for really getting a girlfriend and such since you can actually talk and meet people. The really crowded places are good if you want to just get some physical contact I suppose. Basically what you do is you stand behind a girl, grab her waist and hope she responds positively. They sometimes have one of their girlfriends signal them if the guy that's approaching her is attractive or not. Personally I don't like it since you can't talk nor are you really able to see her face, but that's how it goes.
Some other Korea-specific tips: 1. Getting a phone number doesn't mean much. Don't think you got a 2nd date even if you managed to get her number. They almost give their phone number to anyone that asks and then just ignore the messages/calls if they have no interest. 2. Don't ignore the guys. Get friendly with the group. If you think you hit it off with a girl don't expect her to simply leave her group of friends for you (she'll look slutty). Instead get her number, let her leave, then ask her to come back with a text message (so her friends don't notice!). She'll say bye to her friends, get in a taxi, and then get out again real soon to meet you some place. 3. Go drinking with her. Most party girls drink a lot too in Korea, and really, getting drunk together is the best way to get intimate.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest you read The Mystery Method and other mPUA books, which should give you any sense of confidence you could be lacking in your approach, or conversation. Given enough time you could easily write a piece yourself detailing how to adapt the current PUA methods for the Korean scene.
General guess: it doesn't sound like you're going where the freaks are, but that DOESN'T mean you can't get these 'conservative' chicks anyway, just get them out of their shell!
Further suggestion: post on some PUA forums, see what those guys have to say. Maybe some have already trekked into Korea, but haven't written about it or I haven't seen it. It's worth a try and they can give you very specific, detailed advice. If they haven't actually ventured into the area, they're likely to all be very curious about the girls, because despite the stigma, most PUAs love women. Typically it'll be good to have a working knowledge of the general concepts and lingo they're likely to use, hence the suggested reading.
I prefer 홍대 definitely... the girls there are a lot more liberal there. Even if I don't pick up, I always get a lot of numbers and have a great time. ^^
On August 10 2010 00:07 Glacius0 wrote: Well, in my experience the smaller less crowded places are better for really getting a girlfriend and such since you can actually talk and meet people. The really crowded places are good if you want to just get some physical contact I suppose. Basically what you do is you stand behind a girl, grab her waist and hope she responds positively. They sometimes have one of their girlfriends signal them if the guy that's approaching her is attractive or not. Personally I don't like it since you can't talk nor are you really able to see her face, but that's how it goes.
Some other Korea-specific tips: 1. Getting a phone number doesn't mean much. Don't think you got a 2nd date even if you managed to get her number. They almost give their phone number to anyone that asks and then just ignore the messages/calls if they have no interest. 2. Don't ignore the guys. Get friendly with the group. If you think you hit it off with a girl don't expect her to simply leave her group of friends for you (she'll look slutty). Instead get her number, let her leave, then ask her to come back with a text message (so her friends don't notice!). She'll say bye to her friends, get in a taxi, and then get out again real soon to meet you some place. 3. Go drinking with her. Most party girls drink a lot too in Korea, and really, getting drunk together is the best way to get intimate.
gl hf
Good luck not getting your face punched in.
So many people do that in clubs here (Toronto) too - for reference I'm 20 and most of the clubs I go to have a demographic of 19-22 and yeah guys just sneak behind girls and flank them from behind. A lot of guys just want some cheap ass grinding action not even gonna bother to start a conversation
you are in the wrong club or you don't show enough that you have money.. Solution get more drunk with someone give drinks to chicks show you have money.. or go to a more liberal club..
On August 10 2010 02:09 HeadhunteR wrote: you are in the wrong club or you don't show enough that you have money.. Solution get more drunk with someone give drinks to chicks show you have money.. or go to a more liberal club..
And when every girl in the US dances all they do is bend over and shake their butt for hours... what's the difference? Just as boring.
And... the funny thing is they all act like they are so edgy and so wild- like you've never seen anyone do it before. Ya... you're shaking ur butt. I so amazed.
Maybe they should watch more US rap videos in Korea... where people enter clubs in slow motion and women are decorations.
On August 10 2010 00:07 Glacius0 wrote: Well, in my experience the smaller less crowded places are better for really getting a girlfriend and such since you can actually talk and meet people. The really crowded places are good if you want to just get some physical contact I suppose. Basically what you do is you stand behind a girl, grab her waist and hope she responds positively. They sometimes have one of their girlfriends signal them if the guy that's approaching her is attractive or not. Personally I don't like it since you can't talk nor are you really able to see her face, but that's how it goes.
Some other Korea-specific tips: 1. Getting a phone number doesn't mean much. Don't think you got a 2nd date even if you managed to get her number. They almost give their phone number to anyone that asks and then just ignore the messages/calls if they have no interest. 2. Don't ignore the guys. Get friendly with the group. If you think you hit it off with a girl don't expect her to simply leave her group of friends for you (she'll look slutty). Instead get her number, let her leave, then ask her to come back with a text message (so her friends don't notice!). She'll say bye to her friends, get in a taxi, and then get out again real soon to meet you some place. 3. Go drinking with her. Most party girls drink a lot too in Korea, and really, getting drunk together is the best way to get intimate.
gl hf
Good luck not getting your face punched in.
So many people do that in clubs here (Toronto) too - for reference I'm 20 and most of the clubs I go to have a demographic of 19-22 and yeah guys just sneak behind girls and flank them from behind. A lot of guys just want some cheap ass grinding action not even gonna bother to start a conversation
Yeah and it's wrong. You guys will learn that soon enough by trail and error. There are tons of approaches you can take and the one you just described is one of the most amateurish. This does not translate into a lot of success with Toronto girls.
That isn't what we call game or sealing the deal in any means. If they start smiling and giggling to their friends, or at you, it most likely means the following: 'here we go again.' They aren't laughing or smiling with you. They're laughing at you. You should never stalk them. They find it very creepy. Be confident in your approaches and switch it up.
On August 10 2010 01:52 Misanthrope wrote: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest you read The Mystery Method and other mPUA books
Do not read The Game or Mystery Method. It's outdated "technology:"
Go download or buy the Real Social Dynamics seminar DVDs and visit RSDNation. They teach you how to actually become a real "natural" and not just a machine that runs on routines and lines.
First of you all, you have to understand clubbing in Korea.
Clubs, such as NB (NoiseBox), are places where females and males go just to dance with their own gender preferably. I read somewhere here someone suggesting Hongdae and he is right. They are more liberal there and I suggest you check out Harlem there first. It is an American hip pop club where the ladies like to dance with men. =]
Other than that, if you want to dance and hang out with girls, go to a nightclub. Girls go there to get booked and have fun with men.
Don't get too hooked to Korean night life though! You might end up in 안마,룸빵, and other diabolical places.
On August 10 2010 03:04 KudoJoe wrote: First of you all, you have to understand clubbing in Korea.
Clubs, such as NB (NoiseBox), are places where females and males go just to dance with their own gender preferably. I read somewhere here someone suggesting Hongdae and he is right. They are more liberal there and I suggest you check out Harlem there first. It is an American hip pop club where the ladies like to dance with men. =]
Other than that, if you want to dance and hang out with girls, go to a nightclub. Girls go there to get booked and have fun with men.
Don't get too hooked to Korean night life though! You might end up in 안마,룸빵, and other diabolical places.
On August 10 2010 03:04 KudoJoe wrote: First of you all, you have to understand clubbing in Korea.
Clubs, such as NB (NoiseBox), are places where females and males go just to dance with their own gender preferably. I read somewhere here someone suggesting Hongdae and he is right. They are more liberal there and I suggest you check out Harlem there first. It is an American hip pop club where the ladies like to dance with men. =]
Other than that, if you want to dance and hang out with girls, go to a nightclub. Girls go there to get booked and have fun with men.
Don't get too hooked to Korean night life though! You might end up in 안마,룸빵, and other diabolical places.
so noise box is a gay club?
No...That's not what I meant. Sorry my English may not be very clear but women like to go to clubs just to dance by themselves or with their friends. Guys go to to dance with their friends or by themselves but a lot of guys do go to creep on girls. I'm saying that it might be harder to dance with girls in many clubs because, well, they just want to dance.
Haha, the linked thread about the different kinds of clubs in Korea kinda blew my mind. And for me good nights spent dancing usually begin with a little eye contact and a nice smile from across the room. It seems that even that would be super difficult in those Korean clubs. I always thought that If I ever went to Korea I'd be stoked to go clubbing, but this is saddening.
On August 10 2010 03:04 KudoJoe wrote: First of you all, you have to understand clubbing in Korea.
Clubs, such as NB (NoiseBox), are places where females and males go just to dance with their own gender preferably. I read somewhere here someone suggesting Hongdae and he is right. They are more liberal there and I suggest you check out Harlem there first. It is an American hip pop club where the ladies like to dance with men. =]
Other than that, if you want to dance and hang out with girls, go to a nightclub. Girls go there to get booked and have fun with men.
Don't get too hooked to Korean night life though! You might end up in 안마,룸빵, and other diabolical places.
so noise box is a gay club?
No...That's not what I meant. Sorry my English may not be very clear but women like to go to clubs just to dance by themselves or with their friends. Guys go to to dance with their friends or by themselves but a lot of guys do go to creep on girls. I'm saying that it might be harder to dance with girls in many clubs because, well, they just want to dance.
i see, where i am from people will call you gay to dance with other men.
On August 10 2010 03:04 KudoJoe wrote: First of you all, you have to understand clubbing in Korea.
Clubs, such as NB (NoiseBox), are places where females and males go just to dance with their own gender preferably. I read somewhere here someone suggesting Hongdae and he is right. They are more liberal there and I suggest you check out Harlem there first. It is an American hip pop club where the ladies like to dance with men. =]
Other than that, if you want to dance and hang out with girls, go to a nightclub. Girls go there to get booked and have fun with men.
Don't get too hooked to Korean night life though! You might end up in 안마,룸빵, and other diabolical places.
so noise box is a gay club?
No...That's not what I meant. Sorry my English may not be very clear but women like to go to clubs just to dance by themselves or with their friends. Guys go to to dance with their friends or by themselves but a lot of guys do go to creep on girls. I'm saying that it might be harder to dance with girls in many clubs because, well, they just want to dance.
i see, where i am from people will call you gay to dance with other men.
Well I have been living in America for a long time now and yes, dancing with a man would be called gay here. But why is it gay to go clubbing and dance with your friends who are guys? I see it all the time in America. Guys go with a group of guys, go on the dance floor, and dance next to each other while checking out the girls. I do that all the time with my friends in Korea...but we don't go up to a girl and start dancing with her out of nowhere. That is considered very rude in Korea. So we just dance by ourselves or in groups just to have fun.
From the other side of the world, I'd like to lodge the opposite complaint: everyone here is too loose, there are not enough women of integrity in clubs. What is a decent socialite to do?
On August 10 2010 03:04 KudoJoe wrote: First of you all, you have to understand clubbing in Korea.
Clubs, such as NB (NoiseBox), are places where females and males go just to dance with their own gender preferably. I read somewhere here someone suggesting Hongdae and he is right. They are more liberal there and I suggest you check out Harlem there first. It is an American hip pop club where the ladies like to dance with men. =]
Other than that, if you want to dance and hang out with girls, go to a nightclub. Girls go there to get booked and have fun with men.
Don't get too hooked to Korean night life though! You might end up in 안마,룸빵, and other diabolical places.
so noise box is a gay club?
No...That's not what I meant. Sorry my English may not be very clear but women like to go to clubs just to dance by themselves or with their friends. Guys go to to dance with their friends or by themselves but a lot of guys do go to creep on girls. I'm saying that it might be harder to dance with girls in many clubs because, well, they just want to dance.
i see, where i am from people will call you gay to dance with other men.
Well I have been living in America for a long time now and yes, dancing with a man would be called gay here. But why is it gay to go clubbing and dance with your friends who are guys? I see it all the time in America. Guys go with a group of guys, go on the dance floor, and dance next to each other while checking out the girls. I do that all the time with my friends in Korea...but we don't go up to a girl and start dancing with her out of nowhere. That is considered very rude in Korea. So we just dance by ourselves or in groups just to have fun.
Hm, I should really work on my English again.
I think it would be rude everywhere to just walk up to girl and dance with her without saying anything. What kind of friendly dancing are we talking about here, I'm picturing a group of guys in a circle.
On August 10 2010 03:57 KudoJoe wrote:...but we don't go up to a girl and start dancing with her out of nowhere. That is considered very rude in Korea. So we just dance by ourselves or in groups just to have fun.
Hm, I should really work on my English again.
Your English is perfectly fine. Surprisingly, even native English speakers take things too literally. I understood perfectly what you meant.
Now things might be different in Korea, but I very much doubt that the difference is as big as you make it out to be. People always say the same thing about their own countries and it always turns out to be wrong. But what do I know.
Anyway, you can easily walk up to a girl and start dancing with her, but you need a reason for approaching. Usually, grabbing her (not hard!) and leaning in to yell in her ear (assuming it's a loud club) and giving your reason for wanting to approach, usually "You're hot!" or "You're sexy!" works fine. Then you can just keep dancing and it will just naturally turn into the two of you dancing together.
Obviously, if you're scared shitless when it comes to approaching girls, doing that will result in immediate failure and will be VERY uncomfortable for the girl as you will come off as very incongruent. And please don't do it when you're drunk off your ass either, because surprise surprise! girls do not like guys who are drunk off their ass in spite of meeting you in a bar or night club.
Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
Also, tons of women give the boyfriend objection because they do not want to have to deal with your chodey ass. The way you come off during your approach is what matters. What you say is irrelevant, really.
On August 10 2010 04:45 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
On August 10 2010 03:57 KudoJoe wrote:...but we don't go up to a girl and start dancing with her out of nowhere. That is considered very rude in Korea. So we just dance by ourselves or in groups just to have fun.
Hm, I should really work on my English again.
Your English is perfectly fine. Surprisingly, even native English speakers take things too literally. I understood perfectly what you meant.
Now things might be different in Korea, but I very much doubt that the difference is as big as you make it out to be. People always say the same thing about their own countries and it always turns out to be wrong. But what do I know.
Anyway, you can easily walk up to a girl and start dancing with her, but you need a reason for approaching. Usually, grabbing her (not hard!) and leaning in to yell in her ear (assuming it's a loud club) and giving your reason for wanting to approach, usually "You're hot!" or "You're sexy!" works fine. Then you can just keep dancing and it will just naturally turn into the two of you dancing together.
Obviously, if you're scared shitless when it comes to approaching girls, doing that will result in immediate failure and will be VERY uncomfortable for the girl as you will come off as very incongruent. And please don't do it when you're drunk off your ass either, because surprise surprise! girls do not like guys who are drunk off their ass in spite of meeting you in a bar or night club.
Thank you =].
Don't get me wrong though. I'm just giving examples the general reactions many girls give in Korea clubs. In reference to modern Korean culture, clubs are generally for dancing. Night clubs are to meet people of the opposite sex. I'm trying to say that you have a very low chance of dancing with a girl at a regular club. If OP want's a higher chance to dance with girls, he can go to a night club where he will get booked, and if the girl(s) like you, they will spend time with you, drink with you, and dance with you.
I know girls are generally the same any country you go to, but many girls in Korea will shy away from foreigners at regular clubs and tend to be more conservative when dancing with the opposite sex. Of course if you have the "suave", great looks, great personality, great moves, and so on, girls will be attracted to you.
Step 1: Come to Holyoke Massachusetts, where I live. 2: Find a Purto Rican/hispanic party. 3. Be confident and work on your moves a little beforehand 4. grab a shorty 5. Dance reggaeton. TRA TRA TRA
On August 10 2010 04:45 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
On August 10 2010 04:45 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
Also, tons of women give the boyfriend objection because they do not want to have to deal with your chodey ass. The way you come off during your approach is what matters. What you say is irrelevant, really.
I have a fair number of female friends. They'll go to clubs because they want to hang out and dance with their female friends, because one of their friends just got dumped and they need to "support" her or they're going with their boyfriends. Yes, some of them do go to what we coin as "meat bars".
Even if you're in the right place you have to look for the right kind of girl. Protip: If you're not wearing a $300 shirt or you're not jacked, you should never target an alpha female and try to pick her up. Alphas don't go to bars to get picked up by guys, they go out to pick guys to go home with. There are girls who are desperate, low self esteem, etc and those are the ones you should target. But make sure to get the approval of the alpha they are friends with first.
Honestly this is 10x eaisier if you are good looking and 10x eaisier if you are rich (and 100x if you are both). Well maybe not 10, but at least 3 or 4.
On August 10 2010 04:45 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
There's a lot more to it than that. Many women use the "I have a BF" spiel as a way of telling you to fuck off. It's their safety net. In some cases sure, they actually do have a boyfriend and in many cases it isn't serious if he isn't there with her. Case in point it's an excuse and if you are an alpha male you know this and make a rebuttal, "Listen, I'm not here to talk about your problems. I'm here to have a good time!" Blah, blah, blah. You raise one good point though. You have to be receptive to the kind of girl in front of you to lure them in and the type of nightclub you end up in. Some techniques won't work on some women and vice versa.
This is why I don't like using 'common practice techniques' or pickup lines because you have about 5 seconds to break the ice and find out what kind of girl you are dealing with through their body language and not much more. Only advice I can give is be confident in your choices and be natural, open yourself up to them through your body language (i.e. don't ever cross your shoulders in a nightclub - closed, people see this and think you aren't having a good time; keep your drink at your side - makes you accessible). You'll be a lot happier that way.
On August 10 2010 05:20 sikyon wrote: Protip: If you're not wearing a $300 shirt or you're not jacked, you should never target an alpha female and try to pick her up. Alphas don't go to bars to get picked up by guys, they go out to pick guys to go home with. There are girls who are desperate, low self esteem, etc and those are the ones you should target. But make sure to get the approval of the alpha they are friends with first.
Honestly this is 10x eaisier if you are good looking and 10x eaisier if you are rich (and 100x if you are both). Well maybe not 10, but at least 3 or 4.
Money doesn't mean shit. Looks doesn't mean shit. You are under social conditioning. Regular, normal women don't give a shit about your money or your looks. But if you're in Vegas, hell yeah, money and looks get you far... in those places. But seriously, you wanna date those girls?
And the "Alpha female" is the girls you befriend because she is the one who decides if you get to fuck her friends or not. Befriend the leader of the group, and you have a green light to stick your dick anywhere you want.
On August 10 2010 03:57 KudoJoe wrote: ..but we don't go up to a girl and start dancing with her out of nowhere. That is considered very rude in Korea. So we just dance by ourselves or in groups just to have fun.
Hm, I should really work on my English again.
SORRY? What?? 그럼 도데체 부비부비 뭔데?
For people unfamiliar, '부비부비' (boobi-boobi) is the Korean term for Korean style grinding. Generally, it's where a Korean guy goes up to a completely unsuspecting Korean girl from behind (because they all dance facing one way in Korea), holds her by the waist and starts grinding her. This happens everywhere in every Korean club I have been to. I'm not talking about Itaewon clubs which are full are idiot foreigners, but "proper" Korean clubs in Hongdae and Gangnam. Most Korean guys do exactly what you say they don't! Yes, the grinding isn't as explicit as in foreign clubs, but at least its normally initially consensual.....
I must add though that Korean girls who have been to clubs a few times fully expect this behaviour from K guys. I remember asking a few girls why they tolerated it because in foreign clubs, a guy would get a elbow to the face in the best case and a charge of sexual assault in the worst. They all answered that they didn't mind as long the guy was cute.... in other words, its just accepted. Even when the girls turn round and see an ugly ass ajosshi, theyll normally just walk off without too much of a fuss.
Btw, I completely agree with you that to Koreans, clubs are generally for dancing whereas "night clubs" are definitely the places to go to meet the opposite sex. But to go back to the OP, he will need patience, decent Korean skills and a shit tonne of money to succeed in nightclubs.
What world are you on? Everyone is always concerned about finances. "What do you do?" Has got to be one of the most typical questions you get at any nightclub. As long as you are happy, sure then everything is peaches and oranges, but everyone will always worry about money. Some more than others as you said. Gold diggers, meh. We have plenty of those where I am from.
The expression you are looking for in English is cock block, but those aren't very difficult to get around.
Dude, as long as you have a stable job and a stable income, being a millionaire is irrelevant. As long as you aren't living on the street, money doesn't do shit unless you're talking about gold diggers.
You don't go to a club to get a date, you go to a club to get laid. Hence why all the talk about "finding the "right" girl" and dissing the slutty ones are pretty funny. At least in Sweden nightclubs are basicaly whorehouses. If you want a relationship that lasts longer then a week or to just have a good time with friends you go to a place where there are more tables and where the dancefloor is not very lively.
I mean, it is impossible to not pick up slutty girls in clubs since the volume makes any attempt of conversation futile and the only things you can do is look good and buy expensive drinks.
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
There's a lot more to it than that. Many women use the "I have a BF" spiel as a way of telling you to fuck off. It's their safety net. In some cases sure, they actually do have a boyfriend and in many cases it isn't serious if he isn't there with her. Case in point it's an excuse and if you are an alpha male you know this and make a rebuttal, "Listen, I'm not here to talk about your problems. I'm here to have a good time!" Blah, blah, blah. You raise one good point though. You have to be receptive to the kind of girl in front of you to lure them in and the type of nightclub you end up in. Some techniques won't work on some women and vice versa.
This is why I don't like using 'common practice techniques' or pickup lines because you have about 5 seconds to break the ice and find out what kind of girl you are dealing with through their body language and not much more. Only advice I can give is be confident in your choices and be natural, open yourself up to them through your body language (i.e. don't ever cross your shoulders in a nightclub - closed, people see this and think you aren't having a good time; keep your drink at your side - makes you accessible). You'll be a lot happier that way.
You guys are reading too much into my opening lines. I said that some girls are infact impossible to reach and you will need to pick your location. Yes, they will give you the "I have a BF" line to let you down easy. But if you spend you're time trying to go after a girl who's told you she has a BF you're wasting it. You've already been rejected, and it's probably a better use of your time to find some other fish.
You lot seem to think that basically it's your job to woo and coerce a woman into letting you take her home with you. That's a friggin uphill battle. Women who go to bars to get laid will pick men to do it with. Women who do not go to bars to get laid and are looking to maybe meet someone... that's a much harder fight as you can imagine. And a woman who is just going to have fun with her friends? You had better be prince charming.
Don't set yourself a goal of some girl and just go after her, regardless of whether or not it will be a hard fight. Just try and figure out which expo is exposed and which expo is locked down by a tank line and hit the eaisier one.
And of course, if you're looking for a commited relationship you probably shouldn't be in a bar doing so anyways.
Here's the thing. You brought up something that should be obvious yet you keep driving home the obvious points. The guy isn't asking about gold diggers. He's asking, "How do I get a girl to grind up against me in Korea."
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
There's a lot more to it than that. Many women use the "I have a BF" spiel as a way of telling you to fuck off. It's their safety net. In some cases sure, they actually do have a boyfriend and in many cases it isn't serious if he isn't there with her. Case in point it's an excuse and if you are an alpha male you know this and make a rebuttal, "Listen, I'm not here to talk about your problems. I'm here to have a good time!" Blah, blah, blah. You raise one good point though. You have to be receptive to the kind of girl in front of you to lure them in and the type of nightclub you end up in. Some techniques won't work on some women and vice versa.
This is why I don't like using 'common practice techniques' or pickup lines because you have about 5 seconds to break the ice and find out what kind of girl you are dealing with through their body language and not much more. Only advice I can give is be confident in your choices and be natural, open yourself up to them through your body language (i.e. don't ever cross your shoulders in a nightclub - closed, people see this and think you aren't having a good time; keep your drink at your side - makes you accessible). You'll be a lot happier that way.
You guys are reading too much into my opening lines. I said that some girls are infact impossible to reach and you will need to pick your location. Yes, they will give you the "I have a BF" line to let you down easy. But if you spend you're time trying to go after a girl who's told you she has a BF you're wasting it. You've already been rejected, and it's probably a better use of your time to find some other fish.
You lot seem to think that basically it's your job to woo and coerce a woman into letting you take her home with you. That's a friggin uphill battle. Women who go to bars to get laid will pick men to do it with. Women who do not go to bars to get laid and are looking to maybe meet someone... that's a much harder fight as you can imagine. And a woman who is just going to have fun with her friends? You had better be prince charming.
Don't set yourself a goal of some girl and just go after her, regardless of whether or not it will be a hard fight. Just try and figure out which expo is exposed and which expo is locked down by a tank line and hit the eaisier one.
And of course, if you're looking for a commited relationship you probably shouldn't be in a bar doing so anyways.
Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
On August 10 2010 03:57 KudoJoe wrote: ..but we don't go up to a girl and start dancing with her out of nowhere. That is considered very rude in Korea. So we just dance by ourselves or in groups just to have fun.
Hm, I should really work on my English again.
SORRY? What?? 그럼 도데체 부비부비 뭔데?
For people unfamiliar, '부비부비' (boobi-boobi) is the Korean term for Korean style grinding. Generally, it's where a Korean guy goes up to a completely unsuspecting Korean girl from behind (because they all dance facing one way in Korea), holds her by the waist and starts grinding her. This happens everywhere in every Korean club I have been to. I'm not talking about Itaewon clubs which are full are idiot foreigners, but "proper" Korean clubs in Hongdae and Gangnam. Most Korean guys do exactly what you say they don't! Yes, the grinding isn't as explicit as in foreign clubs, but at least its normally initially consensual.....
I must add though that Korean girls who have been to clubs a few times fully expect this behaviour from K guys. I remember asking a few girls why they tolerated it because in foreign clubs, a guy would get a elbow to the face in the best case and a charge of sexual assault in the worst. They all answered that they didn't mind as long the guy was cute.... in other words, its just accepted. Even when the girls turn round and see an ugly ass ajosshi, theyll normally just walk off without too much of a fuss.
Btw, I completely agree with you that to Koreans, clubs are generally for dancing whereas "night clubs" are definitely the places to go to meet the opposite sex. But to go back to the OP, he will need patience, decent Korean skills and a shit tonne of money to succeed in nightclubs.
Haha boobi-boobi...I forgot about that. We used to 부비부비 a lot when we had fake ID's in high school and go to clubs with the all the nunas. I tend to think that 부비부비 is for old ahjushis though who want some action and not for the cultured clubbers.
On August 10 2010 04:45 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
On August 10 2010 04:45 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
That's one hell of an assumption there.
More like basic human biology
Yes oh wise one, biology says women go to social gatherings to fuck.
On August 10 2010 05:08 Chill wrote: I can't believe you used the word freaking LOL
Can we please have an addendum to the Ten Commandments that everybody that uses the word freaking in this context gets a perm ban? Please? It just creeps me out
On August 10 2010 04:45 SolHeiM wrote: Yeah, but then the chance a woman you meet in a night club actually having a boyfriend is much lower than a woman you would meet on the street, because women go to night clubs because they are single and looking for dick. At least, most of them do.
That's one hell of an assumption there.
More like basic human biology
Yes oh wise one, biology says women go to social gatherings to fuck.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
On August 10 2010 05:48 StarStruck wrote: Don't call me dude. I'm not your dude.
lol.
Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
On August 10 2010 02:07 zeks wrote: So many people do that in clubs here (Toronto) too - for reference I'm 20 and most of the clubs I go to have a demographic of 19-22 and yeah guys just sneak behind girls and flank them from behind. A lot of guys just want some cheap ass grinding action not even gonna bother to start a conversation
How did it ever come to this? I've been hearing about "grinding" and once at some trance club a girl came up to me and started doing it, I felt super uncomfortable because I had no idea what to do in return. So I tried to somehow dance with her while she was rubbing at my dick, probably looked retarded. I tried to walk away as soon as possible only to notice her go to another guy do the same thing while he just stood there. Man, it was never like that when I was growing up, you had to know how to dance if you wanted to dance in front of people (unless you were shitfaced). This grinding culture is disgusting!
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
On August 10 2010 05:50 StarStruck wrote: Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
Sounds like someone bought hardcore into "PUA" business. "All my friends do it" - lmao! The guy was majorly right, of course some males can be just too attractive to be rejected by a drunk girl that doesn't plan on meeting anyone, but trust me, neither you nor your friends have any of that.
Solar, I would love to see a youtube video of you pulling that one off.
EDIT: News, No I speak based on facts and observation. I'm lucky to know a lot of guys with good game and I observe what happens. Then again, I know some guys with no game at all. I see what works and doesn't from experience and the fact I've worked in that industry for four years. Social norms change a lot depending on the setting and nightclubs are no different. That and the nightclub culture as a whole changed a lot since 90s. I stand by what I said earlier. Be natural, don't come off as a sleaze.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
On August 10 2010 05:50 StarStruck wrote: Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
Wait what the fuck. EVERY girl is on the market? My wife is on the market?
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
I left this morning and came back to this. This is legendary. I have learned a lot about Korea and first thing I'm gonna do after school is book a flight there.
On August 10 2010 07:00 StarStruck wrote: News, No I speak based on facts and observation. I'm lucky to know a lot of guys with good game and I observe what happens. Then again, I know some guys with no game at all. I see what works and doesn't from experience and the fact I've worked in that industry for four years. Social norms change a lot depending on the setting and nightclubs are no different. That and the nightclub culture as a whole changed a lot since 90s. I stand by what I said earlier. Be natural, don't come off as a sleaze.
What industry? Conveyor fucking industry? I don't know how legitimate it is, give me a proof that the target wasn't going to have sex with the guy anyways even if he didn't come up with some retarded "opening". And then you said "be natural". Being natural is everything but this, the complete opposite. Every woman is not on the market, that's for sure. Especially if you are ~20 years old, you won't even get top shelf pussy no matter how hard you try. I don't know what clubs you go to but you will never have even a 30% success rate with real classy females.
That's the thing Solar. What works for you (I'd really like to see it, lol) isn't necessarily going to work for someone else. It's just bad advice. In many circumstances the best advice is no advice at all.
Mani, ha ha. That's where the bit I said about personality and values comes into the mix. I never met your wife, so I rather not make assumptions. All I know is she's Japanese. The point you addressed is based more on the whole "I have a boyfriend`` obstacle.
Anyway, nightclubs are a place to go out to have a good time and in some cases forget your problems.
On August 10 2010 07:00 StarStruck wrote: News, No I speak based on facts and observation. I'm lucky to know a lot of guys with good game and I observe what happens. Then again, I know some guys with no game at all. I see what works and doesn't from experience and the fact I've worked in that industry for four years. Social norms change a lot depending on the setting and nightclubs are no different. That and the nightclub culture as a whole changed a lot since 90s. I stand by what I said earlier. Be natural, don't come off as a sleaze.
What industry? Conveyor fucking industry? I don't know how legitimate it is, give me a proof that the target wasn't going to have sex with the guy anyways even if he didn't come up with some retarded "opening". And then you said "be natural". Being natural is everything but this, the complete opposite. Every woman is not on the market, that's for sure. Especially if you are ~20 years old, you won't even get top shelf pussy no matter how hard you try. I don't know what clubs you go to but you will never have even a 30% success rate with real classy females no matter how hard you try.
No, as an advertiser and person who`s worked as a bartender for four years. I never spoke of openings if you actually read what I wrote and I`ll just ignore the rest of what you said because it is baseless and groundless assumptions. If you are in Toronto perhaps I could show you around town and introduce you to some people.
On August 10 2010 07:23 StarStruck wrote: No, as an advertiser and person who`s worked as a bartender for four years. I never spoke of openings if you actually read what I wrote and I`ll just ignore the rest of what you said because it is baseless. If you are in Toronto perhaps I could show you around town and introduce you to some people.
Okay, you can "introduce" whoever you want, I will be pointing my finger at a certain girl and they will not be getting laid with her that night. That's a fact. I don't care what you say, how am I "baseless" while you are not? Are you kidding me? I've known girls that were hit on by whole towns including tourists and no one even made out with them. You know how many self-confident rich cocky kids tried it? From NYC, Boston, LA, pretty much everyone? You said every woman is on the market, you are wrong. If they are, definitely not for you.
On August 10 2010 07:00 StarStruck wrote: News, you just made my day.
Solar, I would love to see a youtube video of you pulling that one off.
EDIT: News, No I speak based on facts and observation. I'm lucky to know a lot of guys with good game and I observe what happens. Then again, I know some guys with no game at all. I see what works and doesn't from experience and the fact I've worked in that industry for four years. Social norms change a lot depending on the setting and nightclubs are no different. That and the nightclub culture as a whole changed a lot since 90s. I stand by what I said earlier. Be natural, don't come off as a sleaze.
who the fuck are you? Mystery?
you probably wear ridiculous clothes when you go out (aka peacocking), spit ridiculous lines that you think up several days in advanced, sometimes months or years (aka routines), and then lie on forums about how much ass you pull (aka being an insecure, needy bitch)
P.S. you probably also walk around looking at girls with an expression similar to this
And, you also know why I picked this person.
EDIT:
On August 10 2010 05:27 paper wrote: Just follow this video:
On August 10 2010 01:52 Misanthrope wrote: I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest you read The Mystery Method and other mPUA books
Do not read The Game or Mystery Method. It's outdated "technology:"
Go download or buy the Real Social Dynamics seminar DVDs and visit RSDNation. They teach you how to actually become a real "natural" and not just a machine that runs on routines and lines.
I didnt know you needed a damn certificate to get laid.
I'm perfectly understanding it, I'm not digging it. We used to pick out girls that knew how to move, now everyone is doing the same thing. How is that even attractive, what kind of girl rubs her ass at my cock? Basically a broad, right? Yeah man, those are definitely on the market.
On August 10 2010 07:33 Grend wrote: I didnt know you needed a damn certificate to get laid.
They call people like you "naturals" and hate them with a passion. "Pfft he's just lucky he was born a natural, but I have to study this fucken book"
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
Why does any thread about clubs or night life bring out the arm chair pickup heroes? They're always in here pushing the new greatest book that will change your life.
Edit: This thread is an abomination and, yet again, makes me hate TL.
On August 10 2010 07:34 News wrote: We used to pick out girls that knew how to move, now everyone is doing the same thing. How is that even attractive, what kind of girl rubs her ass at my cock?
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
Yea but women still need someone to make em get wet.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
Yea but women still need someone to make em get wet.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
Yea but women still need someone to make em get wet.
On August 10 2010 07:49 Chill wrote: Why does any thread about clubs or night life bring out the arm chair pickup heroes? They're always in here pushing the new greatest book that will change your life.
Edit: This thread is an abomination and, yet again, makes me hate TL.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
Oh, I should have said, everything we do involves passing our genes to the next generation. And yes I know women are more selective when it comes to choosing a partner, but all that says is that they are always looking for Mr. Right. Basically, men go to clubs and are happy if they get laid with anyone, women are happy if they get laid with Mr.Right. Both are looking to pass on their genes, but the women are more selective with who they are choosing. They are still there looking for sex which was how the argument got started.
And you say the system was developed to give strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. By system I think you mean natural selection, and natural selection, particularly in human evolution has strongly favored brainpower. Remember evolution favor those best suited for their environment, it's survival of the fittest not survival of the strongest, so I don't get all this alpha strong talk at all.
-Edit- I also think you are missing my point and drifting a bit off topic when you start to go off on modern society and social rules etc, those are a bi product of our evolution but they have nothing to do with this, all I claimed in my posts was that women want to spread their genes.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
My turn!
You are both only 17% correct. If you look at any anatomical model of the female body the area of the anconeus where the muscle attaches to the olecranon obviously hints that women want a man that wears vertical stripes as opposed to horizontal ones. Vertical stripes also reflect a man's capability to protect his family against hunger, predators, and territorial struggles against other modern males. Vertical stripes are also known to queue signs of estrus in nearby females, meaning you can know who and who isn't on their period in the area! Fascinating! If you argue about this you are wrong as I go to clubs all the time and pick up every girl I see, whether she knows I did or not! Here is my expanded, fool proof method for attracting every female in a 37.3 meter area with 96% certainty:
1. As stated above, wear vertical stripes. This is of up most importance. Your shirt should ideally be red and white pin stripes as this will signal to your area of females you are a power man with stable income. Your pants should be thick blue and gray vertical stripes approximately 4cms wide; if you are more than .2cm off of 4cm, this entire strategy will fail.
2. Your bar drink must be Triple Sec on the rocks. Alcohol is known to have a lower evaporation point than water and the orange scent your beverage will give off will blend with your natural pheromones to make you infinitely more attractive. The Triple Sec must be cheap and from a plastic bottle, nothing expensive like Grand Marnier or Cointreau, as this will attract members of the same sex.
3. Your should not wear socks. While socks may be a sanitary and sociocultural norm in many places, women in all places find them repulsive as they are well known symbols of plague and pestilence. In the Mrvtrue Vaars' Con Al Travlatrag War in 1349 socks were even placed over the faces of dead bodies, as death was thought to be a disease.
To summarize: Stripes! Vertical, not horizontal. Cheap Triple Sec! And NO, NO, NO socks!
Your problems - going in with expectations, not meeting expectations and feeling failure, awkwardness, being needy. bitches pick up on dat shit. Stop caring.
Solution - Jerk off 2-3 times before going to club (adjust as necessary) - Get loaded with friends - Stop caring about girls in clubs and subscribing to this notion that you must go out to run game, pick up, fbitches etc. Just go out and have fun? 90% of my bar hookups come from going with girls that are acquainted with the group i'm with. This is much better solution that having to do PUA shit.
On August 10 2010 09:10 wollhandkrabbe wrote: Funny how people whos mantra is 'practice makes a good gamer' think romance is a rather theoretical thing. Ever heard about cognitive dissonance?
On August 10 2010 08:40 Sinensis wrote: 3. Your should not wear socks. While socks may be a sanitary and sociocultural norm in many places, women in all places find them repulsive as they are well known symbols of plague and pestilence. In the Mrvtrue Vaars' Con Al Travlatrag War in 1349 socks were even placed over the faces of dead bodies, as death was thought to be a disease.
Impossible, in 1349 the Black Death unleashed a rampage of death in Europe, there was no war at that time since people were afraid of even communicating with one another. Get your facts straight!
On August 10 2010 07:49 Chill wrote: Why does any thread about clubs or night life bring out the arm chair pickup heroes? They're always in here pushing the new greatest book that will change your life.
Edit: This thread is an abomination and, yet again, makes me hate TL.
Edit 2: LOL BIOLOGY ARGUMENTS NOW?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I could bring in chemistry arguments aswell just to build this up to the largest most glorious abomination of all time. Because we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's most horrible thread of all time.
Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
Yea but women still need someone to make em get wet.
Best Post Ever
Holy crap I just read this whole shitpile of a thread..damn..What is it with white-knights these days?
On August 10 2010 07:00 StarStruck wrote: News, No I speak based on facts and observation. I'm lucky to know a lot of guys with good game and I observe what happens. Then again, I know some guys with no game at all. I see what works and doesn't from experience and the fact I've worked in that industry for four years. Social norms change a lot depending on the setting and nightclubs are no different. That and the nightclub culture as a whole changed a lot since 90s. I stand by what I said earlier. Be natural, don't come off as a sleaze.
What industry? Conveyor fucking industry? I don't know how legitimate it is, give me a proof that the target wasn't going to have sex with the guy anyways even if he didn't come up with some retarded "opening". And then you said "be natural". Being natural is everything but this, the complete opposite. Every woman is not on the market, that's for sure. Especially if you are ~20 years old, you won't even get top shelf pussy no matter how hard you try. I don't know what clubs you go to but you will never have even a 30% success rate with real classy females no matter how hard you try.
No, as an advertiser and person who`s worked as a bartender for four years. I never spoke of openings if you actually read what I wrote and I`ll just ignore the rest of what you said because it is baseless and groundless assumptions. If you are in Toronto perhaps I could show you around town and introduce you to some people.
To be fair to you, I think you make valid points Star but they're probably not the most useful to most of the TL crowd. It's important to first know where to go, then to know which kinds of girls to approach, and then it's time to work on polishing your "game". And I seriously doubt that you can get any girl you want. Possibly at certain nightclubs where all the girls are looking for that kind of attention the vast majority are accessible, but I think that speaks more about location than about some sort of mythical woman attracting ability.
excuse my use of the term 'freaking'. what i meant was grinding.
anyway, I wasn't asking how to pick up a girl, but rather how guys approach a girl to dance with them. this thread cleared up some things, including the biological aspect lol.
i approached a girl the usual way, lightly grabbing their hips but it became obvious that it didn't work. I noticed some other guys start by grabbing girls' shoulders instead and that seemed to work better but even then I saw girls just walk away. I think it was the club, as someone mentioned girls go to dance with their own gender and friends. there were very few girls actually dancing with guys.
as for night clubs, I don't speak Korean too well and isn't the general age usually older than those going to clubs? I'm 19 and maybe I look too young to most of the girls.
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
There's a lot more to it than that. Many women use the "I have a BF" spiel as a way of telling you to fuck off. It's their safety net. In some cases sure, they actually do have a boyfriend and in many cases it isn't serious if he isn't there with her. Case in point it's an excuse and if you are an alpha male you know this and make a rebuttal, "Listen, I'm not here to talk about your problems. I'm here to have a good time!" Blah, blah, blah. You raise one good point though. You have to be receptive to the kind of girl in front of you to lure them in and the type of nightclub you end up in. Some techniques won't work on some women and vice versa.
This is why I don't like using 'common practice techniques' or pickup lines because you have about 5 seconds to break the ice and find out what kind of girl you are dealing with through their body language and not much more. Only advice I can give is be confident in your choices and be natural, open yourself up to them through your body language (i.e. don't ever cross your shoulders in a nightclub - closed, people see this and think you aren't having a good time; keep your drink at your side - makes you accessible). You'll be a lot happier that way.
You guys are reading too much into my opening lines. I said that some girls are infact impossible to reach and you will need to pick your location. Yes, they will give you the "I have a BF" line to let you down easy. But if you spend you're time trying to go after a girl who's told you she has a BF you're wasting it. You've already been rejected, and it's probably a better use of your time to find some other fish.
You lot seem to think that basically it's your job to woo and coerce a woman into letting you take her home with you. That's a friggin uphill battle. Women who go to bars to get laid will pick men to do it with. Women who do not go to bars to get laid and are looking to maybe meet someone... that's a much harder fight as you can imagine. And a woman who is just going to have fun with her friends? You had better be prince charming.
Don't set yourself a goal of some girl and just go after her, regardless of whether or not it will be a hard fight. Just try and figure out which expo is exposed and which expo is locked down by a tank line and hit the eaisier one.
And of course, if you're looking for a commited relationship you probably shouldn't be in a bar doing so anyways.
Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
I'm pretty sure "your friends" only get one type of girl.
Why do all threads about girls invariably turn into massive clusterfucks? I tend to agree with Chill on his opinion on these types of things .__.
By the time the thread cools down a bit, a cursory scan through the pages will show instances including but not limited to: HUMONGOUS e-sausage-fests (i.e. epine-measuring), recommendations of life-changing PUA media, short posts merely stating an action (*cough* facepalm *cough*), ad hominem attacks, fantastical theories and arguments about said fantasies theories with as many polysyllabic/esoteric terms as possible (*ahem* which I'm definitely not doing here ;3), and mod posts condemning the utter stupidity of aforementioned instances (which I just LOVE to read, let me tell you).
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
There's a lot more to it than that. Many women use the "I have a BF" spiel as a way of telling you to fuck off. It's their safety net. In some cases sure, they actually do have a boyfriend and in many cases it isn't serious if he isn't there with her. Case in point it's an excuse and if you are an alpha male you know this and make a rebuttal, "Listen, I'm not here to talk about your problems. I'm here to have a good time!" Blah, blah, blah. You raise one good point though. You have to be receptive to the kind of girl in front of you to lure them in and the type of nightclub you end up in. Some techniques won't work on some women and vice versa.
This is why I don't like using 'common practice techniques' or pickup lines because you have about 5 seconds to break the ice and find out what kind of girl you are dealing with through their body language and not much more. Only advice I can give is be confident in your choices and be natural, open yourself up to them through your body language (i.e. don't ever cross your shoulders in a nightclub - closed, people see this and think you aren't having a good time; keep your drink at your side - makes you accessible). You'll be a lot happier that way.
You guys are reading too much into my opening lines. I said that some girls are infact impossible to reach and you will need to pick your location. Yes, they will give you the "I have a BF" line to let you down easy. But if you spend you're time trying to go after a girl who's told you she has a BF you're wasting it. You've already been rejected, and it's probably a better use of your time to find some other fish.
You lot seem to think that basically it's your job to woo and coerce a woman into letting you take her home with you. That's a friggin uphill battle. Women who go to bars to get laid will pick men to do it with. Women who do not go to bars to get laid and are looking to maybe meet someone... that's a much harder fight as you can imagine. And a woman who is just going to have fun with her friends? You had better be prince charming.
Don't set yourself a goal of some girl and just go after her, regardless of whether or not it will be a hard fight. Just try and figure out which expo is exposed and which expo is locked down by a tank line and hit the eaisier one.
And of course, if you're looking for a commited relationship you probably shouldn't be in a bar doing so anyways.
Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
I'm pretty sure "your friends" only get one type of girl.
On August 10 2010 07:49 Chill wrote: Why does any thread about clubs or night life bring out the arm chair pickup heroes? They're always in here pushing the new greatest book that will change your life.
Edit: This thread is an abomination and, yet again, makes me hate TL.
Edit 2: LOL BIOLOGY ARGUMENTS NOW?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I could bring in chemistry arguments aswell just to build this up to the largest most glorious abomination of all time. Because we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's most horrible thread of all time.
just start dancing with a girl and if it doesn't work, try another one? the worst that can happen is that she walks away. i had a friend who had no fears in the night club because he just didn't care (he literally shoved this guy out of nowhere to prove his point--that no one would see you again and it didn't really matter what you did), and he described his night as "2/12 times worked, the other times were: friend save, friend swap, teleport, walk away, run away."
girls will probably dance with you if they're single and you're attractive in some way, just don't be awkward about it
On August 10 2010 12:07 hazelynut wrote: just start dancing with a girl and if it doesn't work, try another one? the worst that can happen is that she walks away. i had a friend who had no fears in the night club because he just didn't care (he literally shoved this guy out of nowhere to prove his point--that no one would see you again and it didn't really matter what you did), and he described his night as "2/12 times worked, the other times were: friend save, friend swap, teleport, walk away, run away."
girls will probably dance with you if they're single and you're attractive in some way, just don't be awkward about it
Sometimes I also teleport out of danger, but it only works 1/6 of the time.
On August 10 2010 10:22 danmooj1 wrote: haha this thread got pretty funny.
excuse my use of the term 'freaking'. what i meant was grinding.
anyway, I wasn't asking how to pick up a girl, but rather how guys approach a girl to dance with them. this thread cleared up some things, including the biological aspect lol.
i approached a girl the usual way, lightly grabbing their hips but it became obvious that it didn't work. I noticed some other guys start by grabbing girls' shoulders instead and that seemed to work better but even then I saw girls just walk away. I think it was the club, as someone mentioned girls go to dance with their own gender and friends. there were very few girls actually dancing with guys.
as for night clubs, I don't speak Korean too well and isn't the general age usually older than those going to clubs? I'm 19 and maybe I look too young to most of the girls.
Ah I see your problem my young and too nice friend. Throw out your gentle approach this is Korea.
In Korea, women know that they are women and they want real men. You can't go in timid and feel things out.
Go in behind, right up close, but don't touch with your hands/arms and put your arms out around her so she can see your arms, and just dance like its natural, but put your body up close, and do your boobi boobi. she'll look up to see you and if you're cool, happy enjoying yourself, she'll get into it. If not, just move on, but don't be testing the waters here, you just gotta look like you having fun and she'll join in. If she doesn't want to then she'll just move alway, but then, when she begins to walk away, then you grab her around the waist firmly and ask her what her name is, if she answers you, then she was just checking to see if you were really a man, if she still don't like, then just let her go and move on.
There are a lot of women in korea at your age cause most of the guys are in the army. so GOGO!
Its just like in a booking club, sometimes they sit down and get up, but if you grab their arm and say, lets drink, they usually do.
I'm not saying to be an obnoxious asshole, Im saying, women are women and they expect men to men, now in Korea what that means is, dont' be a pussy.
^^
edit; btw 19 is a rocking age, girls, expecially in gangnam like the young guys. While they may be older than you, just go with it and be the manly boy toy for the summer! gogo!
So what's the relationship between the advice given by an average TL member and the actual experiences of said member that is actually relevant to the OP?
On August 10 2010 14:45 koreasilver wrote: So what's the relationship between the advice given by an average TL member and the actual experiences of said member that is actually relevant to the OP?
Given that the average TL user has twenty build orders memorized and is D- I would say that most of any advice here is mostly theoretical.
On August 10 2010 14:45 koreasilver wrote: So what's the relationship between the advice given by an average TL member and the actual experiences of said member that is actually relevant to the OP?
I'll go with the argument that the best way to get girls is not to pay any attention.
Going up with "lines" and "game" just wreaks of desperation. If you seem cool and funny... especially, you're much more likely to seem interesting.
This is only "outside" of clubs though. I've made it a special point to never ever go to one because I know its a spawning pool for the types of people I despise. The ONLY time I went to one was for my best friends bachelor party night and it was just as bad as I had feared.
Just FYI, my wife's job is working at a place where they "mediate" custody battles between parents that are splitting and can't agree on what to do with the children. You'd be surprised at the frequency that these "relationships" start at these places. GL with your "game" everyone :/
Don't think too much about all this stuff... I can't see that helping. You don't need to read a book or watch a video to find a girl that will dance with you, or more. :/
Just go out there and have some fun... If you are trying to be manipulative or trying to do something slightly unnatural (while probably trying to make it seem natural...) it could be obvious, despite the lack of lights and all the alcohol.
Sadly (or maybe not), my most successful nights are when I just go out and don't care and try to have fun with my friends. Dancing and drinking with my own group. People watch people in the club... if they see I am just goofing off and having fun, not trying to grind or hit on every girl I see, I find that the next time I go up to the bar to order a drink alone, someone will come to talk to me. And if you are the one being approached, you have so much leverage so it feels a lot easier and less stressful to do anything from there.
Conversely, If I am determined to pick a girl up, girls can sense that and it never really works out from there. Unless you are some very good looking guy, of course... or can make trying hard to pick up a girl seem as confident and natural as possible. (Of course.) But for the average guy I think, just go out and have fun with your friends, and you should get some luck. Of course, make sure the location is decent... as in, a good amount of people, enough girls, not too many guys, music you actually enjoy and can dance to and have fun with, etc. And of course, not every night will work out for you, most likely...
I just wish every night I go out could be a night where I just want to fuck around with my friends and have fun.
I do want to try one of these nightclubs (booking club?) though...
EPT
or they're going with their boyfriends. Yes, some of them do go to what we coin as "meat bars".![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Chill/rl.png)
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