Yes I believe biology says women go to social gatherings to find a partner that they will fuck.
I believe you need a new biology book.
I have a secret I'm willing to divulge. It has worked for me about 99% of the time, even in places like Las Vegas nightclubs. You have to be completely comfortable making yourself look ridiculous though.
Step 1: Drink a shit load of booze Step 2: Dance incredibly goofy, getting low, jerkin', or whatever while approaching group of females Step 3: Jump in the middle of their circle and start grinding your butt into several of them for 10-20 second intervals Step 4: Narrow down your choice of girl to dance with in a drunken stupor.
Works like a fucking charm.
I this works better.
1. Run around screaming. 2. Rip clothes off. 3. Then dance into pile of girls.
yeah sure, send me the book your reading where spreading your genes on to the next generation is not an important/basic part of biology.
send me a post where you dont use a straw man.
Everything we do involves spreading our genes. So to say that women don't go to clubs of all places to fuck is ridiculous. I don't think I used a straw man argument at all.
You really should consider buying a new biology book. The genes and how it works:
You are half right. Everything males do involves spreading our genes. For the male the best chance for offspring is going to bed with as many woman as possible and spread his seed as wide as possible thus maximizing his chances on lots of children. When a woman is pregnant she can't get pregnant again while she is with child thus biologically the men moves on to a new woman he can impregnate. Thus maximizing his offspring and chances his genes will keep on living.
Woman however have more benefit to stay with a single man. She wants him to stay with her to protect her and her child. Keeping them both safe and thus making sure her child survives and her genes are passed on to a new generation. The man that could provide a safe home for his family and protect them from famine / cold / roving enemies etc. was most likely also one of the stronger males (and thus had better genes for the survival at that time).
Keep in mind this all applies to how it was before mankind became evolved to where we are now. Thus although it is still correct from a biological view, in our society it's very impractical to behave this way due to the social conduct and codes we have developed. Not to mention that the traits under which the above biologic principles were developed aren't the most useful anymore in our time and age.
The system was developed to give the strong "alpha" males the biggest chance for survival. However in modern society the use for mussel his vastly deteriorated in favor of the "weaker" brainiacs. Although they are not very strong seen as a group they get vastly superior jobs in most cases and through that can provide for a better and more stable environment for the family.
To summarize: in the modern society we live in there is no place for the traditional alpha male and their archaic mating behavior.
Yea but women still need someone to make em get wet.
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Holy crap I just read this whole shitpile of a thread..damn..What is it with white-knights these days?
On August 10 2010 07:00 StarStruck wrote: News, No I speak based on facts and observation. I'm lucky to know a lot of guys with good game and I observe what happens. Then again, I know some guys with no game at all. I see what works and doesn't from experience and the fact I've worked in that industry for four years. Social norms change a lot depending on the setting and nightclubs are no different. That and the nightclub culture as a whole changed a lot since 90s. I stand by what I said earlier. Be natural, don't come off as a sleaze.
What industry? Conveyor fucking industry? I don't know how legitimate it is, give me a proof that the target wasn't going to have sex with the guy anyways even if he didn't come up with some retarded "opening". And then you said "be natural". Being natural is everything but this, the complete opposite. Every woman is not on the market, that's for sure. Especially if you are ~20 years old, you won't even get top shelf pussy no matter how hard you try. I don't know what clubs you go to but you will never have even a 30% success rate with real classy females no matter how hard you try.
No, as an advertiser and person who`s worked as a bartender for four years. I never spoke of openings if you actually read what I wrote and I`ll just ignore the rest of what you said because it is baseless and groundless assumptions. If you are in Toronto perhaps I could show you around town and introduce you to some people.
To be fair to you, I think you make valid points Star but they're probably not the most useful to most of the TL crowd. It's important to first know where to go, then to know which kinds of girls to approach, and then it's time to work on polishing your "game". And I seriously doubt that you can get any girl you want. Possibly at certain nightclubs where all the girls are looking for that kind of attention the vast majority are accessible, but I think that speaks more about location than about some sort of mythical woman attracting ability.
excuse my use of the term 'freaking'. what i meant was grinding.
anyway, I wasn't asking how to pick up a girl, but rather how guys approach a girl to dance with them. this thread cleared up some things, including the biological aspect lol.
i approached a girl the usual way, lightly grabbing their hips but it became obvious that it didn't work. I noticed some other guys start by grabbing girls' shoulders instead and that seemed to work better but even then I saw girls just walk away. I think it was the club, as someone mentioned girls go to dance with their own gender and friends. there were very few girls actually dancing with guys.
as for night clubs, I don't speak Korean too well and isn't the general age usually older than those going to clubs? I'm 19 and maybe I look too young to most of the girls.
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
There's a lot more to it than that. Many women use the "I have a BF" spiel as a way of telling you to fuck off. It's their safety net. In some cases sure, they actually do have a boyfriend and in many cases it isn't serious if he isn't there with her. Case in point it's an excuse and if you are an alpha male you know this and make a rebuttal, "Listen, I'm not here to talk about your problems. I'm here to have a good time!" Blah, blah, blah. You raise one good point though. You have to be receptive to the kind of girl in front of you to lure them in and the type of nightclub you end up in. Some techniques won't work on some women and vice versa.
This is why I don't like using 'common practice techniques' or pickup lines because you have about 5 seconds to break the ice and find out what kind of girl you are dealing with through their body language and not much more. Only advice I can give is be confident in your choices and be natural, open yourself up to them through your body language (i.e. don't ever cross your shoulders in a nightclub - closed, people see this and think you aren't having a good time; keep your drink at your side - makes you accessible). You'll be a lot happier that way.
You guys are reading too much into my opening lines. I said that some girls are infact impossible to reach and you will need to pick your location. Yes, they will give you the "I have a BF" line to let you down easy. But if you spend you're time trying to go after a girl who's told you she has a BF you're wasting it. You've already been rejected, and it's probably a better use of your time to find some other fish.
You lot seem to think that basically it's your job to woo and coerce a woman into letting you take her home with you. That's a friggin uphill battle. Women who go to bars to get laid will pick men to do it with. Women who do not go to bars to get laid and are looking to maybe meet someone... that's a much harder fight as you can imagine. And a woman who is just going to have fun with her friends? You had better be prince charming.
Don't set yourself a goal of some girl and just go after her, regardless of whether or not it will be a hard fight. Just try and figure out which expo is exposed and which expo is locked down by a tank line and hit the eaisier one.
And of course, if you're looking for a commited relationship you probably shouldn't be in a bar doing so anyways.
Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
I'm pretty sure "your friends" only get one type of girl.
Why do all threads about girls invariably turn into massive clusterfucks? I tend to agree with Chill on his opinion on these types of things .__.
By the time the thread cools down a bit, a cursory scan through the pages will show instances including but not limited to: HUMONGOUS e-sausage-fests (i.e. epine-measuring), recommendations of life-changing PUA media, short posts merely stating an action (*cough* facepalm *cough*), ad hominem attacks, fantastical theories and arguments about said fantasies theories with as many polysyllabic/esoteric terms as possible (*ahem* which I'm definitely not doing here ;3), and mod posts condemning the utter stupidity of aforementioned instances (which I just LOVE to read, let me tell you).
On August 10 2010 04:38 sikyon wrote: Ok... the key to this does not lie in your approach. You can have the slickest, swuavest approach to a girl and then get rejected because she's in a commited relationship.
My point? It's not in how you approach the girl, it's in what kind of girl you approach. And to be honest a big part of that is in what kinds of clubs you choose to go to.
I guess since this is a starcraft website, it would be apt to say that it doesn't matter how good your roach micro is, you're still gonna get owned by void rays.
There's a lot more to it than that. Many women use the "I have a BF" spiel as a way of telling you to fuck off. It's their safety net. In some cases sure, they actually do have a boyfriend and in many cases it isn't serious if he isn't there with her. Case in point it's an excuse and if you are an alpha male you know this and make a rebuttal, "Listen, I'm not here to talk about your problems. I'm here to have a good time!" Blah, blah, blah. You raise one good point though. You have to be receptive to the kind of girl in front of you to lure them in and the type of nightclub you end up in. Some techniques won't work on some women and vice versa.
This is why I don't like using 'common practice techniques' or pickup lines because you have about 5 seconds to break the ice and find out what kind of girl you are dealing with through their body language and not much more. Only advice I can give is be confident in your choices and be natural, open yourself up to them through your body language (i.e. don't ever cross your shoulders in a nightclub - closed, people see this and think you aren't having a good time; keep your drink at your side - makes you accessible). You'll be a lot happier that way.
You guys are reading too much into my opening lines. I said that some girls are infact impossible to reach and you will need to pick your location. Yes, they will give you the "I have a BF" line to let you down easy. But if you spend you're time trying to go after a girl who's told you she has a BF you're wasting it. You've already been rejected, and it's probably a better use of your time to find some other fish.
You lot seem to think that basically it's your job to woo and coerce a woman into letting you take her home with you. That's a friggin uphill battle. Women who go to bars to get laid will pick men to do it with. Women who do not go to bars to get laid and are looking to maybe meet someone... that's a much harder fight as you can imagine. And a woman who is just going to have fun with her friends? You had better be prince charming.
Don't set yourself a goal of some girl and just go after her, regardless of whether or not it will be a hard fight. Just try and figure out which expo is exposed and which expo is locked down by a tank line and hit the eaisier one.
And of course, if you're looking for a commited relationship you probably shouldn't be in a bar doing so anyways.
Nope. My friends are living proof that every girl out there is on the market. Sorry to break it to you boss. Many people find this kind of catch intriguing and a good chase. You are entitled to your opinion though. You see it as an uphill battle; others don't even give it a second thought.
Whether it be based on your values or beliefs. This is what separates many of the alpha males from the other guys.
I'm pretty sure "your friends" only get one type of girl.
On August 10 2010 07:49 Chill wrote: Why does any thread about clubs or night life bring out the arm chair pickup heroes? They're always in here pushing the new greatest book that will change your life.
Edit: This thread is an abomination and, yet again, makes me hate TL.
Edit 2: LOL BIOLOGY ARGUMENTS NOW?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I could bring in chemistry arguments aswell just to build this up to the largest most glorious abomination of all time. Because we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's most horrible thread of all time.
just start dancing with a girl and if it doesn't work, try another one? the worst that can happen is that she walks away. i had a friend who had no fears in the night club because he just didn't care (he literally shoved this guy out of nowhere to prove his point--that no one would see you again and it didn't really matter what you did), and he described his night as "2/12 times worked, the other times were: friend save, friend swap, teleport, walk away, run away."
girls will probably dance with you if they're single and you're attractive in some way, just don't be awkward about it
On August 10 2010 12:07 hazelynut wrote: just start dancing with a girl and if it doesn't work, try another one? the worst that can happen is that she walks away. i had a friend who had no fears in the night club because he just didn't care (he literally shoved this guy out of nowhere to prove his point--that no one would see you again and it didn't really matter what you did), and he described his night as "2/12 times worked, the other times were: friend save, friend swap, teleport, walk away, run away."
girls will probably dance with you if they're single and you're attractive in some way, just don't be awkward about it
Sometimes I also teleport out of danger, but it only works 1/6 of the time.
On August 10 2010 10:22 danmooj1 wrote: haha this thread got pretty funny.
excuse my use of the term 'freaking'. what i meant was grinding.
anyway, I wasn't asking how to pick up a girl, but rather how guys approach a girl to dance with them. this thread cleared up some things, including the biological aspect lol.
i approached a girl the usual way, lightly grabbing their hips but it became obvious that it didn't work. I noticed some other guys start by grabbing girls' shoulders instead and that seemed to work better but even then I saw girls just walk away. I think it was the club, as someone mentioned girls go to dance with their own gender and friends. there were very few girls actually dancing with guys.
as for night clubs, I don't speak Korean too well and isn't the general age usually older than those going to clubs? I'm 19 and maybe I look too young to most of the girls.
Ah I see your problem my young and too nice friend. Throw out your gentle approach this is Korea.
In Korea, women know that they are women and they want real men. You can't go in timid and feel things out.
Go in behind, right up close, but don't touch with your hands/arms and put your arms out around her so she can see your arms, and just dance like its natural, but put your body up close, and do your boobi boobi. she'll look up to see you and if you're cool, happy enjoying yourself, she'll get into it. If not, just move on, but don't be testing the waters here, you just gotta look like you having fun and she'll join in. If she doesn't want to then she'll just move alway, but then, when she begins to walk away, then you grab her around the waist firmly and ask her what her name is, if she answers you, then she was just checking to see if you were really a man, if she still don't like, then just let her go and move on.
There are a lot of women in korea at your age cause most of the guys are in the army. so GOGO!
Its just like in a booking club, sometimes they sit down and get up, but if you grab their arm and say, lets drink, they usually do.
I'm not saying to be an obnoxious asshole, Im saying, women are women and they expect men to men, now in Korea what that means is, dont' be a pussy.
^^
edit; btw 19 is a rocking age, girls, expecially in gangnam like the young guys. While they may be older than you, just go with it and be the manly boy toy for the summer! gogo!
So what's the relationship between the advice given by an average TL member and the actual experiences of said member that is actually relevant to the OP?
On August 10 2010 14:45 koreasilver wrote: So what's the relationship between the advice given by an average TL member and the actual experiences of said member that is actually relevant to the OP?
Given that the average TL user has twenty build orders memorized and is D- I would say that most of any advice here is mostly theoretical.
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