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Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
May 06 2004 05:45 GMT
#101
--- Nuked ---
asdasdas
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
May 06 2004 05:48 GMT
#102
On May 06 2004 13:41 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2004 13:39 hasuwar wrote:
Yeah you guys..if you don't study every USA player and know exactly who's better than who this very second, why are you posting? You must have known that this was directed only to strict USA BW analysts ..........



he was talking to Twitt, dipshit


Gee, really? Thanks for clearing that up...

He posted
On May 06 2004 13:37 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
People shouldn't compare two things unless they have knowledge of both. You don't say that FroZ is better than Boxer just because you've seen more reps of FroZ, and from that, you think that FroZ is better. A reasonable person would realize that you just shouldn't be comparing them at all if you don't know a lot about both. Statements made in ignorance will be treated as such.


On May 06 2004 12:40 Twitt wrote:
All I'm saying is that I have seen Sadist play, and based on what I've seen, which was from a few months ago, I would say Nyoken is better. He says he's gotten a lot better recently, and I've seen a few of the games, maybe not enough to grasp completely how much better he's gotten, but enough to where I feel Nyoken is still better. Maybe if I saw more games, it would give me more to decide off of, thats all I'm saying.


He's seen sadist play, he's seen nyoken play. He's seen Nyoken play more, and he was more impressed by Nyoken's play. Maybe if he saw more of his new reps, it might change his opinion, but from what he's seen, nyoken is better. He didn't just say Sadist was worse to say it, he said it because he was more impressed with nyokens play. A response like that wasn't even necessary by Cyric


I've watched the Lakers and I've watched the Golden Nugs. I've watched the Lakers more, but have still seen the nugs play a few times. I think the Lakers are better. This thread was made for opinions, don't lash out at someone for giving one
Diablo3 ID: Exalted#1710 -------R.I.P. http://hasuwar.isgsa.org. Much love to Toptalent
Carriers=InstantWin
Profile Joined July 2003
Korea (South)67 Posts
May 06 2004 05:50 GMT
#103
On May 06 2004 13:37 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
People shouldn't compare two things unless they have knowledge of both. You don't say that FroZ is better than Boxer just because you've seen more reps of FroZ, and from that, you think that FroZ is better. A reasonable person would realize that you just shouldn't be comparing them at all if you don't know a lot about both. Statements made in ignorance will be treated as such.


Froz>>>>>>>Boxer x infinity
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-06 06:08:24
May 06 2004 06:07 GMT
#104
On May 06 2004 14:48 hasuwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2004 13:41 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
On May 06 2004 13:39 hasuwar wrote:
Yeah you guys..if you don't study every USA player and know exactly who's better than who this very second, why are you posting? You must have known that this was directed only to strict USA BW analysts ..........



he was talking to Twitt, dipshit


Gee, really? Thanks for clearing that up...

He posted
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2004 13:37 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
People shouldn't compare two things unless they have knowledge of both. You don't say that FroZ is better than Boxer just because you've seen more reps of FroZ, and from that, you think that FroZ is better. A reasonable person would realize that you just shouldn't be comparing them at all if you don't know a lot about both. Statements made in ignorance will be treated as such.


Show nested quote +
On May 06 2004 12:40 Twitt wrote:
All I'm saying is that I have seen Sadist play, and based on what I've seen, which was from a few months ago, I would say Nyoken is better. He says he's gotten a lot better recently, and I've seen a few of the games, maybe not enough to grasp completely how much better he's gotten, but enough to where I feel Nyoken is still better. Maybe if I saw more games, it would give me more to decide off of, thats all I'm saying.


He's seen sadist play, he's seen nyoken play. He's seen Nyoken play more, and he was more impressed by Nyoken's play. Maybe if he saw more of his new reps, it might change his opinion, but from what he's seen, nyoken is better. He didn't just say Sadist was worse to say it, he said it because he was more impressed with nyokens play. A response like that wasn't even necessary by Cyric


I've watched the Lakers and I've watched the Golden Nugs. I've watched the Lakers more, but have still seen the nugs play a few times. I think the Lakers are better. This thread was made for opinions, don't lash out at someone for giving one


no one was lashing out at anybody for giving an opinion.

we were merely explaining that...

"I'm just going off what I know. I'm not just picking him cuz hes a friend, I just have more exposure to him and have seen more of his games,thats all."

...is pure idiocy

"I am going to state that Nyoken is a better BroodWar player than you Sadist, because I have seen him play more and am not aware of your skill. Not because he is actually better than you, Sadist, but because I know more about him."

YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE.

p.s. your basketball analogy was horrible

p.s.#2 i liked your rwa of me and froz's game, good job!
why so 진지해?
Illuminati_us
Profile Joined December 2002
United States142 Posts
May 06 2004 06:08 GMT
#105
Best T
FroZ
Assem
Whear

Best P
Corbalt
Rekrul
Wizard

Best Z
Dreame
Ilnp
day

MOst creative Maynard
Best Random Rekrul
Life is a skill game but there are too many mineral hackers TT
hunterAS
Profile Joined January 2004
United States408 Posts
May 06 2004 06:17 GMT
#106
sorry im best zerg I'll beat everyone rawr..
14% of all people know that statisics are all wrong.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
May 06 2004 06:23 GMT
#107
On May 06 2004 08:55 Fayth[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2004 08:38 -_- wrote:
Best P Testie

Best T Hovz

Best Z Don't know

Best random Testie

Most creative Hmm, I don't thing the "randominator (:" is american so no idea!

Testie's terran is way better than hovz's terran, maybe you should put testie as best Z too ?


Fine
best P Testie
best T Testie
best Z Testie
best R Testie
best C Testie

( - :
Wirthi
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany395 Posts
May 06 2004 06:32 GMT
#108
On May 05 2004 22:10 Veg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2004 21:23 GoDHovZ wrote:
when i think of american, i dont think of canada.


funny since most of the better players are found north of your border


Owned.

Too lazy to read 6 pages of posts but hopefully someone mentioned Yosh by now instead of 2nd class USA Terrans. (offense )
PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
May 06 2004 06:35 GMT
#109
the following is my opinion of usa's best players of each race, starting from who was the best back in the day, to now.


T: Whear/McNasty/Maynard
Froz
Assem

P: Wizard
Wizard (mentioned twice because he was good from begining to middle of sc, still is good)
Rekrul

Z: Tsunami
TnT
Day
If anyone orders any merlot Im leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking merlot.
Wirthi
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany395 Posts
May 06 2004 06:42 GMT
#110
Most of these lists are so useless, please read what topic starter wrote: "north and south"

Be honest, at least half of the players listed must be canadian considering smuft, Giyom etc.
JohnTitor
Profile Joined April 2004
Sweden57 Posts
May 06 2004 06:45 GMT
#111
Best T:
rS.Testie

Best P:
rS.Testie

Best Z:
rS.Testie

Best Random:
rS.Testie

Most Creative:
rS.Testie

D:~
JohnTitor
Profile Joined April 2004
Sweden57 Posts
May 06 2004 06:46 GMT
#112
btw randominator is liquid`eri to the idiot who asked.
D:~
Countdown
Profile Joined February 2004
1217 Posts
May 06 2004 06:48 GMT
#113
On May 06 2004 15:42 Wirthi wrote:
Most of these lists are so useless, please read what topic starter wrote: "north and south"

Be honest, at least half of the players listed must be canadian considering smuft, Giyom etc.


most of the lists were just top usa lists, in case you hadn't figured that out
Wirthi
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany395 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-06 07:17:52
May 06 2004 07:15 GMT
#114
I did figure it out but why ? That was not intended by the topic.

I did not list top 3 Germans for each race when top Europeans were meant.
Emperor-X17
Profile Joined March 2004
Botswana38 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-06 08:10:26
May 06 2004 07:59 GMT
#115
sadist Giyom has achieved more than the rest of the world has achieved. U cant compare what americans achieved with canadians. Giyom won an ongamenet and was 1 in the world. Assem has been owned every time was mentioned in a thread by some low progamer. But still hes the 2nd best t in america in my opinion. Hellghost has achieved very high places in 2 wcgs in a row and he deservers a 1st considering hes inactive. he only comes back for important tourneys and does great in them without practicing a lot. Blast is terribly underrated. Blast is probably best P in america with rekrul if dont count smuft and giyom.
I would also consider LG)Darki but he hasnt achieved anything. however im sure he can beat any of u. The same goes with LG)Rivc, Keir and Trunkz.
PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
May 06 2004 08:15 GMT
#116
On May 06 2004 16:59 Emperor-X17 wrote:

I would also consider LG)Darki but he hasnt achieved anything. however im sure he can beat any of u. The same goes with LG)Rivc, Keir and Trunkz.


oh boy, (takes a couple breathes)

pretty please, know exactly what you are talking about before you say anything at all. Saying any gamer can beat anyone else without having knowledge of how both of them play is just retarded.

Im kinda clueless, you think Darki is good, and said he hasnt achieved anything, but he is still good to beat the rest of "u", which means us, which means the whole tl.net forum.

for Darki supposedly being good, he sure didnt play like it last wcg qualifier in his own country. if he cant even get out of his country, what makes you think he can beat the rest of us on tl.net?

how bout this. bring Darki's ass to me, msg him or find someone to msg him, and i will beat him again.
If anyone orders any merlot Im leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking merlot.
PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
May 06 2004 08:16 GMT
#117
as for Rivc, Keir, Trunkz, i never played any of them nor seen them.

but i'll make a return to bw to play them if they are really that good.
If anyone orders any merlot Im leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking merlot.
Emperor-X17
Profile Joined March 2004
Botswana38 Posts
May 06 2004 08:44 GMT
#118
achieved anything means he hasnt done anything great like testie or mondragon however they own online and they deserve respect. And ive seen all of them play. so u better shut up.
iamimat
Profile Joined January 2003
Canada367 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-06 10:02:49
May 06 2004 09:00 GMT
#119
[Don't do that]
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 06 2004 09:08 GMT
#120
Gotta love these threads.. They bring out the best (and worst) in people
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
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