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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 06:22:13
June 03 2010 05:58 GMT
#1
If youve seen TLO lately he has been using additional p.fortresses to protect vs zerg.EDIT: BY ADDITIONAL I MEAN P.FORTRESSES NOT MEANT FOR MINING, BUT ONLY TO PROTECT. (so you have one placed by the entrance to your base for example) Should this be a viable tactic in high level play? to me it just feels wrong if it is worth p.forting everywhere since it destroys any zerg ground.

Its not that it is neccessarily too good either, I just feel that it is badly designed if people start spamming them everywhere.

Discuss.
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Kindred
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada396 Posts
June 03 2010 06:02 GMT
#2
Let's just say that if you are a terran player and have enough minerals to throw 400 minerals around and if the zerg player at that point in the game does not have a large army, he deserves to lose lol
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aznhockeyboy16
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States558 Posts
June 03 2010 06:03 GMT
#3
ok... you can't really be complaining about p. fortresses... you can complain about seige tanks all you want, since I've hated them since BW but if you seriously think that planetary fortresses are overpowered you've done something wrong
Waffles
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Romania605 Posts
June 03 2010 06:03 GMT
#4
IMO, since mech is so imobile, its worth the money to make something that will stall so that your army can get to the place hes attacking. Planetary fortress might just be that one thing because 1 planetary fortress with like a decent saturation of scvs at expo can cleanup huge amounts of units.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 06:06:09
June 03 2010 06:04 GMT
#5
I have a major gripe with p fortresses. Mainly that they're considered a higher priority target than the SCVs (which makes sense given the pfort attacks) making it really difficult to do any harassing around a pfort. Even with the pfort there if I could get lings to auto-target scvs I could get in and kill a bunch, or when assaulting a pfort with ground forces I can kill the scvs. But with the fortress having higher priority and scvs being able to dance with garrison it makes it really difficult to assault. I wouldn't call it imbalanced, but they are definitely annoying. Still all you need to do is go around them and come back with some mutas.
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 03 2010 06:05 GMT
#6
yeah it's basically a siege tank with less range, way more HP, and can be repaired by like 20 SCVs at once. They're pretty much invincible with enough SCVs repairing and even more so when the Terran army is also defending it. I can't speak on whether or not spamming PFs everywhere is too powerful since I haven't seen it. As for a PF as an expansion, your only options it seems like is to kill it when the Terran army is away and also kill the scvs (with say, banelings)
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GWash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States153 Posts
June 03 2010 06:08 GMT
#7
550/150 for powerful static defense with no air is not broken in the slightest. It isn't even OP. Get a single broodlord. Or even a muta.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 06:24:17
June 03 2010 06:09 GMT
#8
I just think that its cost effectiveness has to be too high if it pays off to put down additional ones even in top tier play. Please also note, Im not posting this centered around my own experience so bashing me is kind of irrelevant.

EDIT: To further clarify: I really dislike the idea that this should be viable perhaps more from a game design pow than a broken\op pow. The thing is that planetary fortress SHOULD be worth 150\150 + loss of OC, but apparently it may in fact be worth the whole 550\150 in certain circumstances.That just seems to indicate that it is currently not well designed. Additionally from a more "game sensibility pow" random command centres with big guns all over the place just makes no sense and its obviously not the intended purpose of the upgrade.

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DaymOz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2 Posts
June 03 2010 06:21 GMT
#9
The thing I like most about them is it's one less thing for a pouting Terran to fly off to a corner of the map when he's on the verge of losing
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 06:24:35
June 03 2010 06:21 GMT
#10
On June 03 2010 15:08 GWash wrote:
550/150 for powerful static defense with no air is not broken in the slightest. It isn't even OP. Get a single broodlord. Or even a muta.

"a" missile turret or thor will fend air off.

I personally think the splash damage needs to be removed. The fact that a PF with 20 scvs repairing it can demolish a zerg army within seconds is ridiculous. Even the War3 Undead tier2/3 halls weren't this powerful

Removing splash retains the PF's role as extra defense for an expansion while helps remove it's effectiveness when randomly placed around the map.
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Trogdor
Profile Joined August 2009
United States158 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 06:31:29
June 03 2010 06:30 GMT
#11
There's also the cost of not making an orbital command. Which is a TON of minerals, recon, and scv production.
edit: you still get the scv production, nm. hrrrrrrrr
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
June 03 2010 06:32 GMT
#12
On June 03 2010 15:08 GWash wrote:
550/150 for powerful static defense with no air is not broken in the slightest. It isn't even OP. Get a single broodlord. Or even a muta.


People do not tend to put them all by themselves with no support you know. Your retort is as if Corruptors did 250 damage a shot and I responded to you coplaining about it by saying: "It isnt OP. Get a single marine." Not constructive.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 03 2010 06:36 GMT
#13
It's 550/150, and it can't be moved. Add to that the fact that it can't attack air. It can also be taken out with any decent sized force. I haven't had any problems facing them.
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 03 2010 06:45 GMT
#14
On June 03 2010 15:30 Trogdor wrote:
There's also the cost of not making an orbital command. Which is a TON of minerals, recon, and scv production.
edit: you still get the scv production, nm. hrrrrrrrr

the issue at hand doesn't involve getting a PF instead of an OC at an expansion. It's the fact that one is getting a PF for the sole purpose of using it's attack capabilities around the map
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LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
June 03 2010 06:52 GMT
#15
Think about putting PF on choke at matelopolis.. In that map if you are on the same side of the map is highly probably that you will pass under his choke..
So placing there a pf will force everytime the zerg to make a larger path otherwise he will be killed in secs
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Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
June 03 2010 06:55 GMT
#16
They would be awesome in the late game to close off choke points and stuff, but at the cost and built time, definitely not overpowered.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
June 03 2010 06:55 GMT
#17
lol, I'd love to roll up on a Terran's base to find like a line of 4 PFs. Hahahaha that would just be awesome. I don't think they're OP, they're pretty powerful but completely immobile.

A couple of bunkers and siege tanks on high ground are just as effective against a Zerg ground army. The fact is you can't really just a-move a ground army into a Terran base if he's all turtled up. You gotta find a better way.
cHaNg-sTa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1058 Posts
June 03 2010 06:56 GMT
#18
On June 03 2010 15:52 LuDwig- wrote:
Think about putting PF on choke at matelopolis.. In that map if you are on the same side of the map is highly probably that you will pass under his choke..
So placing there a pf will force everytime the zerg to make a larger path otherwise he will be killed in secs


What prevents the Terran of just putting tanks there instead >_>
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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
June 03 2010 06:56 GMT
#19
If the fortress killed both air and ground it would be crazy imba, its fine as it is.
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MindRush
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania916 Posts
June 03 2010 06:57 GMT
#20
On June 03 2010 15:02 Kindred wrote:
Let's just say that if you are a terran player and have enough minerals to throw 400 minerals around and if the zerg player at that point in the game does not have a large army, he deserves to lose lol


400 minerals is just the command center ..... you also have to upgrade it so the cost is +150/+150
so the actual cost is 550minerals and 150gas
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