EPTJaedong's Reign...over?
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Dionesus
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Juicyfruit
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Lucumo
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Dionesus
United States69 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:19 Lucumo wrote: I blame the Seoul Cyber University :/ Why do you blame that? | ||
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Holgerius
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In)Spire
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Lucumo
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Attending university-->less time-->less practice+less sleep--->not playing as good as before. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:19 Lucumo wrote: I blame the Seoul Cyber University :/ He only joined to avoid the army, there are like 40 other progamers registered there too. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
he'll be back to owning shortly | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
I think it's more like Flash's slump, he'll be back sooner or later (especially kowing that SC2 doesnt have the same e-sports potential then BW so the leagues are gonna be running for a long long time) | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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kyzers0ze
Singapore1073 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:18 Juicyfruit wrote: I think Jaedong is still Jaedong. my thoughts exactly | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:21 Holgerius wrote: He's still the strongest favourite to win any Starleague if one excludes Flash. This also | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
He'll be fine, and he will take the MSL gold away from Flash again. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
But he is still the #2 by a rediculously huge margin compared to the rest. | ||
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Piste
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On May 02 2010 22:23 Lucumo wrote: Attending university-->less time-->less practice+less sleep--->not playing as good as before. It's a different thing to actually study than just be registered at university. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4728 Posts
I also feel JDs reign is different than Flash's now. JD was never truly dominant in the sence that he never lost. He always dropped a few more games than he should have (especially in PL) and sometimes dropped out of leagues early (i.e. MSL Ro32 with Flash, Hwasin and FBH in his group). Flash is just dominant and basically never loses ever in all three matchups. But still JD was considered the top player for nearly two years, while Flashs dominance is a rather short period of time and lacks a few more titles (which could change very soon) | ||
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SplashbackFerret
New Zealand846 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17341 Posts
Nothing more to say here. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:52 Manit0u wrote: No. Nothing more to say here. On May 02 2010 22:18 Juicyfruit wrote: I think Jaedong is still Jaedong. Agreed. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
So I wouldn't say Jaedong is second best. Flash goes through more dominant stretches but Jaedong knows how to win when it counts. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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Motiva
United States1774 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
He's still pretty good...looking at his record, his ZvZ is 75% (last 10: 8:2) and and his ZvP is reaching close to 70% (last 10: 9:1) if anything, maybe its his ZvT thats a little weak, but that's still over 60% (last 10: 5:5) | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On May 02 2010 23:11 d_so wrote: it's amazing how consistently jaedong wins even when he's not "dominant". he won his last osl during a "slump" (loses to calm in msl, loss to fantasy in proleague championship), won his last msl while in a similar sort of slump. Not to mention one of the greatest zvp streaks ever which got very little recognition due to flash. So I wouldn't say Jaedong is second best. Flash goes through more dominant stretches but Jaedong knows how to win when it counts. That's not true though. Starting from November and ending at his MSL victory about 3 months later, he went 29-7 (81%). For comparison, Flash went 37-11 (77%) during the same time period (with a tougher schedule, though, and probably a higher general level of skill from his opponents due to going all the way in both SL's). I wouldn't call that a slump. About Jaedong reign being over. Well, unless Flash burns out maybe he won't ever be #1 again (he might be able to take the MSL, but I don't see him keeping up with Flash's consistency), but as long as he get's ZvT under control for good he'll still be #2 by a mile. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On May 03 2010 00:49 Cpadolf wrote: That's not true though. Starting from November and ending at his MSL victory about 3 months later, he went 29-7 (81%). For comparison, Flash went 37-11 (77%) during the same time period (with a tougher schedule, though, and probably a higher general level of skill from his opponents due to going all the way in both SL's). I wouldn't call that a slump. About Jaedong reign being over. Well, unless Flash burns out maybe he won't ever be #1 again (he might be able to take the MSL, but I don't see him keeping up with Flash's consistency), but as long as he get's ZvT under control for good he'll still be #2 by a mile. Dont. Question. That. Damned. ZvT. He just beat Midas in convincing fashion, 3 of his loses was caused by Baby, without Baby who also had his part of Beating Stork out of the OSL. Remember who he lost to before claiming slump, Jaedong haven't even slumped hard through April. I could claim KTRolster Slump after + Show Spoiler + they lost to SKT1 | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:52 SplashbackFerret wrote: Nah, it's just that this time his traditional post-finals "slump" coincided with his traditional april jinx, so everything seemed twice as bad as normal. lol...i remember seeing a thread about his april jinx but couldn't seem to find it | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On May 03 2010 00:53 Iplaythings wrote: Dont. Question. That. Damned. ZvT. He just beat Midas in convincing fashion, 3 of his loses was caused by Baby, without Baby who also had his part of Beating Stork out of the OSL. Remember who he lost to before claiming slump, Jaedong haven't even slumped hard through April. I could claim KTRolster Slump after + Show Spoiler + they lost to SKT1 His ZvT is not bad, it's inconsistent. It can be amazing, like against Leta and Midas last month, but some of the other games he's had lately have just been very unconvincing in comparison. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
If Jaedong can fix his ZvT, win a game against Flash, he will be back on the top. Then again, Jaedong never had a "reign". He never achieved total domination. There was Bisu back then and Flash nowadays. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
No. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
As someone said earlier, "I think JD is still JD." | ||
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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Mojawi)SoJu
Korea (South)259 Posts
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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Ideas
United States8121 Posts
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
On May 03 2010 01:37 Ideas wrote: I think he's got just as much skill as flash but the maps are kinda bad for zerg and stylistically it's much easier for flash to win PL games without as much practice as it is for JD to. You stole my post! :D | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 03 2010 01:33 InFdude wrote: IMO it's just that ZvZ is so much BO dependent and "terrans these days just don't die " . Terrans have gotten better and taking early game advantage but I can't remember a game where Jaedong lost bacause of his poor late game performance. ZvZ is actually about the first air battle and the ling harass. Besides, Jaedong is an epic ZvZ. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
If you look at this graph, Jaedong isn't performing much worse than he was at his "peak". On May 02 2010 16:32 fusionsdf wrote: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/icH7o.png) thats win pct over the last year | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:18 Juicyfruit wrote: I think Jaedong is still Jaedong. this. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On May 03 2010 01:48 Mooncat wrote: The only reason Jaedong is looking so "meh" is because Flash is so very very strong. There's a reason people start calling him Bonjwa. There's hasn't been such a display of dominance & skill since sAviOr's prime. If you look at this graph, Jaedong isn't performing much worse than he was at his "peak". Indeed. Jaedong is still the reigning zerg overlord, and despite being overshadowed by Flash, he remains well ahead of anyone else. He definitely has a chance to win this MSL, and one or two leagues next round. Oh, and comparisons with Savior are funny. Jaedong's reign was at least impressive as Savior's (and Flash's winning rate over the last few months now is much higher than either player's peak), and will be even more impressive if he can continue to keep up with Flash. But of course conventional logic doesn't apply when comparing to Savior. For example, the Liquipedia article on KeSPA ranking contains the following gem: "After sAviOr, the last bonjwa was dethroned by Bisu, no player has been able to dominate for a long amount of time — except Jaedong, who was the top-1 for 11 consecutive months." Nevermind that Jaedong's #1 streak was longer than Savior's -- since JD wasn't "bonjwa", his streak can merely be considered an exception, and therefore Savior remains the last player to have been truly dominating for a long time... | ||
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prosatan
Romania8290 Posts
Go Go Jaedong FTW | ||
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Ursad0n
United States523 Posts
Honestly Jaedong's reign ended when Flash's started. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:28 Jackal03 wrote: march/april has aways been the non dominanting months of JD he'll be back to owning shortly This. Jaedong is still Jaedong. I believe. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On May 03 2010 02:09 okum wrote: Indeed. Jaedong is still the reigning zerg overlord, and despite being overshadowed by Flash, he remains well ahead of anyone else. He definitely has a chance to win this MSL, and one or two leagues next round. Oh, and comparisons with Savior are funny. Jaedong's reign was at least impressive as Savior's (and Flash's winning rate over the last few months now is much higher than either player's peak), and will be even more impressive if he can continue to keep up with Flash. But of course conventional logic doesn't apply when comparing to Savior. For example, the Liquipedia article on KeSPA ranking contains the following gem: "After sAviOr, the last bonjwa was dethroned by Bisu, no player has been able to dominate for a long amount of time — except Jaedong, who was the top-1 for 11 consecutive months." Nevermind that Jaedong's #1 streak was longer than Savior's -- since JD wasn't "bonjwa", his streak can merely be considered an exception, and therefore Savior remains the last player to have been truly dominating for a long time... Jaedong's #1 streak where? Kespa? Power Rank? What? The thing is just that Jaedong never was that uncontested best player. It was always Jaedong, Flash, Bisu and people couldn't decide who of them was the strongest/best/most skilled etc., no matter if he was Kespa #1 at that time. What Flash is doing now is something else. Without thinking I can say that Flash is the uncontested #1 best player there ever was. There is no one I would bet money on against Flash, be it a single match or a BoX. Or to turn it around, I would bet my money on Flash without worries no matter who he's playing against. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7903 Posts
Wait and see. Flash could have very well never recovered from his "slump" and never shine as he had done. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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KrUtiAL
United States41 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On May 03 2010 03:07 KrUtiAL wrote: Did yall see how he shat on midas? No i think hes okay Well, that series isn't over yet. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
A Jaedong motivated to win is THE SCARIEST thing in BW EVERRR. | ||
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Dandy4
United States493 Posts
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Zinfandel
Canada115 Posts
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Dionesus
United States69 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 03 2010 03:35 Dandy4 wrote: if you wanna talk slump, look at bisu. I don't even know how he is going to come out of this one. After seeing how Midas came out of his slump, I think it's entirely possible. | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
Jaedong has won 16 out of his 17 last ZvPs. THAT'S SICK. He haven't gotten to play ZvP in like 25 games though - if he would've been playing some ZvP he would look a lot stronger lately. TvZ is 65ish% (anyone know the exact numbers?) in favor of Terran in Pro League during a long period of time (this is something I just heard so I know nothing for sure). With the current maps and meta game, zergs are for sure at a disadvantage. Jaedong is still BY FAR the second best player in the world. He's not the best at the moment but... I mean Flash, oh my god. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On May 03 2010 03:33 SuperJongMan wrote: A Jaedong motivated to win is THE SCARIEST thing in BW EVERRR. So long as Jaedong still walks into his booth with those murderous eyes, I know he's the most dangerous man in StarCraft. A motivated Jaedong is the most exciting player to watch, gives me the chills. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On May 03 2010 04:03 Gigaudas wrote: Jaedong has won 11 out of his 13 last ZvZs. That's awesome. Jaedong has won 16 out of his 17 last ZvPs. THAT'S SICK. He haven't gotten to play ZvP in like 25 games though - if he would've been playing some ZvP he would look a lot stronger lately. TvZ is 65ish% (anyone know the exact numbers?) in favor of Terran in Pro League during a long period of time (this is something I just heard so I know nothing for sure). With the current maps and meta game, zergs are for sure at a disadvantage. Jaedong is still BY FAR the second best player in the world. He's not the best at the moment but... I mean Flash, oh my god. You can't beat statistics like that. The thing is you just don't expect Jaedong to lose even if the maps don't favor him. So if he loses, the SC world goes into panic. | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Craton
United States17252 Posts
SLUMP! It gets tiresome seeing these threads every other week. | ||
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ReaverDrop!
Canada81 Posts
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ryuu_
United States1266 Posts
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
On May 03 2010 04:09 Crunchums wrote: Jaedong is still Jaedong, but Flash is Flash. If either one of them drops out of a league the other is the huge favorite to win it. This is my thoughts as well. Can we have Flash go back to protoss please?  | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On May 03 2010 04:16 3FFA wrote: This is my thoughts as well. Can we have Flash go back to protoss please? Flash used to play Protoss?? | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:21 Holgerius wrote: He's still the strongest favourite to win any Starleague if one excludes Flash. +1 | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Posts like this make me cringe. Please don't make me cringe | ||
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
He's not slumping. Bisu on the other hand.... | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
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bellweather
United States404 Posts
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gEzUS
Canada371 Posts
I think Flash has really come in his own, and Jae Dong is holdin onto his former glory ... Out with teh old in the new I SAY!! | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
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rugmonkey
United Kingdom126 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 03 2010 02:52 Chairman Ray wrote: Jaedong seems weak right now because he just hasn't changed. He's just stuck in the #2 position and after a while of never giving Flash any competition, he seems kinda boring. JD's still doing fairly though. I think Zero might overtake him someday though. I suppose beating him (despite Power Outage) and outplaying him the last time they met doesn't count as giving Flash any competition? Zero isn't close to touching JD. He can't win any game that matters. JD is still the best zerg and the 2nd best player in the world until we see their bo5 in the finals if they both make it there. | ||
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CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
You see that Jaedong face last night? Fucking intense. | ||
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 03 2010 05:54 InFdude wrote:Last MSL finals most people said he had no chance .Yeah that's what happens to your golden Flash when Jaedong takes things seriously . To be fair, that MSL was pretty close. The third game was probably Jaedong's, even if there was no power outage. Considering how epic Jaedong is at Bo5's and that he only had to win 1 more game, he still probably had it. But he didn't exactly dominate Flash, like Flash did to Movie. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On May 03 2010 05:54 InFdude wrote: Some one said it has aways been Jaedong/Bisu/Flash on top .I'll have to disagree . Flash was nowhere to be seen before this period . It has aways been Jaedong and someone mb Jaedong vs Bisu for N1 or Jaedong vs Stork or Jaedong vs Flash but not all of Flash/Stork/Bisu for the whole time line . Someone mentioned Savior . Oh how I hate that guy . The reason he is Bonjwa was that "feeling " and that "no one would argue that he is Bonjwa " and not statistics (ofc becaunse Jaedong has better ones ) . Well ok I have this "feeling" for Jaedong and I will argue about Savior . Flash? Yeah sure he is good now but lets see how consistant he is going to be . Jaedong has been winning stuff for as long as I can remember and now this 1 Flash OSL title is overshadowing him ? The last few games I saw Flash had a hard time beating Lomo and he lost to MVP. Jaedong has been the best zerg (and being dominant as zerg is alot harder than being dominant with terran IMO ) since for ever and he gets way too little respect .Last MSL finals most people said he had no chance .Yeah that's what happens to your golden Flash when Jaedong takes things seriously . PS: hope I don't get banned for saying Bonjwa . So you are saying in the OSL games, where JD got raped 2:0, he didn't take things seriously? Pleaaaase, Jaedong fans have already bad reputation, no need to make things even worse... | ||
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Art.FeeL
1163 Posts
On May 03 2010 06:00 adelarge wrote: So you are saying in the OSL games, where JD got raped 2:0, he didn't take things seriously? Pleaaaase, Jaedong fans have already bad reputation, no need to make things even worse... Well Jaedong said in an interview that he was caught offguard and that he is sad coz he wasn't able to show what he had prepared. But in generale i agree with inFdude | ||
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Pakje
Belgium288 Posts
On May 03 2010 06:00 adelarge wrote: So you are saying in the OSL games, where JD got raped 2:0, he didn't take things seriously? Pleaaaase, Jaedong fans have already bad reputation, no need to make things even worse... wasn 't he sick at the time? | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 03 2010 05:54 InFdude wrote: Some one said it has aways been Jaedong/Bisu/Flash on top .I'll have to disagree . Flash was nowhere to be seen before this period . It has aways been Jaedong and someone mb Jaedong vs Bisu for N1 or Jaedong vs Stork or Jaedong vs Flash but not all of Flash/Stork/Bisu for the whole time line . Someone mentioned Savior . Oh how I hate that guy . The reason he is Bonjwa was that "feeling " and that "no one would argue that he is Bonjwa " and not statistics (ofc becaunse Jaedong has better ones ) . Well ok I have this "feeling" for Jaedong and I will argue about Savior . Flash? Yeah sure he is good now but lets see how consistant he is going to be . Jaedong has been winning stuff for as long as I can remember and now this 1 Flash OSL title is overshadowing him ? The last few games I saw Flash had a hard time beating Lomo and he lost to MVP. Jaedong has been the best zerg (and being dominant as zerg is alot harder than being dominant with terran IMO ) since for ever and he gets way too little respect .Last MSL finals most people said he had no chance .Yeah that's what happens to your golden Flash when Jaedong takes things seriously . PS: hope I don't get banned for saying Bonjwa . I was going to respond to your post with a lengthy one of my own but you have no idea what you're talking about. Flash was nowhere to be seen before this period? Alright buddy, you just keep on thinking that. You obviously haven't remembered for very long if Jaedong is the only person you remember dominating at all. The thing is Flash's current domination has already lasted longer than Jaedong's...and it's far more complete. I like Jaedong, I do...but Flash is just plain better right now and has been for awhile. He was mortal between his first OSL and his second OSL and still maintained above a 60% winrate...and people called that a slump. Flash has been the best terran for a very long time now with the only person coming close to that being Fantasy during his flash pan phase. | ||
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NiGoL
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SC2Phoenix
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RodrigoX
United States645 Posts
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CakeOrI)eath
United States327 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
just a little dampened amongst the scandal and sc2 beta | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On May 03 2010 01:33 InFdude wrote: I can't remember a game where Jaedong lost bacause of his poor late game performance. Just to play devil's advocate: Jaedong vs. Flash @ Match Point (Proleague game) - forgetting dark swarm is quite an obscene error and would possibly qualify as poor (or at least disappointing) late game performance. In general though, you're probably right. On May 03 2010 05:54 InFdude wrote: Jaedong has been the best zerg (and being dominant as zerg is alot harder than being dominant with terran IMO ) since for ever and he gets way too little respect . Yeahhhhhhh the guy with one of the largest fan bases, majority votes in TL best of all time threads, majority of progamers pronouncing him the best only months ago, whom was considered bonjwa by Koreans only months ago, had Koreans rabidly chanting his name in between games of Bacchus semi-finals and whom was named player of the year gets way too litte respect. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
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aznanimedude
United States199 Posts
- being 600 points above 3rd place - going 62.5% in what is historically your worst month - being expected to beat everyone who's name is not lee young ho - beating same person in a MSL to deny him a dual league title, and being considered one of the few that can challenge said person is considered you being in a slump and having your reign over | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 03 2010 07:38 aznanimedude wrote: it goes without saying you must be doing relatively well when - being 600 points above 3rd place - going 62.5% in what is historically your worst month - being expected to beat everyone who's name is not lee young ho - beating same person in a MSL to deny him a dual league title, and being considered one of the few that can challenge said person is considered you being in a slump and having your reign over Of the trifecta only Bisu has actual slumps. | ||
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lone_hydra
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Lazerbeems
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This. Flash never got too far into individual leagues but he was still good enough to get into the group selection ceremony basically every time. The protoss duo, Stork and Bisu, are the only ones to go through slumps so heavy that you can definitely call them slumps. Flash wasn't performing his best last year but he still tied for most games won in proleague. If you're slumping and can achieve that, you must be pretty good right? | ||
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LLXC
United States125 Posts
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 03 2010 07:34 KP_CollectoR wrote: Just to play devil's advocate: Jaedong vs. Flash @ Match Point (Proleague game) - forgetting dark swarm is quite an obscene error and would possibly qualify as poor (or at least disappointing) late game performance. In general though, you're probably right. You don't get a match fixed for a battle that could go either way. If Jaedong lost to say, Idra, then you could talk about possible match fixing. Besides, that does happen. Stork once forgot goon range(although he won the game). | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:23 Lucumo wrote: Attending university-->less time-->less practice+less sleep--->not playing as good as before. You have no idea what that means do you? As Artosis explained, pros only do that to avoid the army. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:18 Juicyfruit wrote: I think Jaedong is still Jaedong. He is only doing this to avoid or postpone military service ... and its only an online school. | ||
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natturner
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 03 2010 09:47 natturner wrote: look guys, Jaedong is acting like a stop lurker. he's just sitting there quietly, pretending to "slump" and then all of a sudden unleashes his wrath and wins another 5 OSLs Good one. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
explains why I consider Jaedong to be as strong as Flash...sure looking at overall playing strength FLash looks better atm but when it comes to BO5 and It really really counts,I bet my money on the Dong(say last MSL) | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
Jaedong doesn't actually lose matches, he pretends to be bad in Proleague so that he can completely destroy everyone in BO5s. Don't worry guys, Jaedong will win the Korean Air OSL and the Hana Daetoo MSL, and then he will win the Platinum Mouse just because he is that good and he is the best person to ever play Starcraft and anyone who disagrees doesn't realize that Zerg is the weakest race in SC1. | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:18 Juicyfruit wrote: I think Jaedong is still Jaedong. ^ [e] On May 02 2010 22:39 Tien wrote: His reign as #1 has been over for a few months now. But he is still the #2 by a rediculously huge margin compared to the rest. ^ this him and flash are in a league of their own | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On May 03 2010 11:15 Kyo Yuy wrote: Jaedong is bonjwa, TvZ is T favored and Jaedong still 3-1ed Flash in the NATE MSL and there was nothing Flash could do even on T favored maps. Jaedong doesn't actually lose matches, he pretends to be bad in Proleague so that he can completely destroy everyone in BO5s. Don't worry guys, Jaedong will win the Korean Air OSL and the Hana Daetoo MSL, and then he will win the Platinum Mouse just because he is that good and he is the best person to ever play Starcraft and anyone who disagrees doesn't realize that Zerg is the weakest race in SC1. Yes the sponsor will demand that EffOrt be replaced by jaedong...considering he was eliminated some time ago.. | ||
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Ecrilon
501 Posts
On May 03 2010 11:15 Kyo Yuy wrote: Jaedong is bonjwa, TvZ is T favored and Jaedong still 3-1ed Flash in the NATE MSL and there was nothing Flash could do even on T favored maps. Jaedong doesn't actually lose matches, he pretends to be bad in Proleague so that he can completely destroy everyone in BO5s. Don't worry guys, Jaedong will win the Korean Air OSL and the Hana Daetoo MSL, and then he will win the Platinum Mouse just because he is that good and he is the best person to ever play Starcraft and anyone who disagrees doesn't realize that Zerg is the weakest race in SC1. No, mainly because everything here is wrong. Jaedong should, however, be fine. Clearly he is no longer the best of the best, that title belongs to Flash. However, he is still the king of Zerg. He's not going to fade as fast as Savior, that's for sure. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
 Well, maybe his reign is over because flash takes over. So he still dominate every other player except flash. Actually I think if there is MSL Jaedong vs Flash finals, I won't say Flash will most likely win. kkk. I just have this feeling Jaedong going aggressive in order to steal his #1 spot back. But MSL is Flash vs (Another progamer), I will say maybe Flash will win... 80%? No, 85% Jaedong can still beat other progamer easy, and still have good chance of winning strong players like Kal, Midas, Baby & ...calm? Ah, maybe I shouldn't count zerg in. | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On May 03 2010 07:38 aznanimedude wrote: it goes without saying you must be doing relatively well when - being 600 points above 3rd place - going 62.5% in what is historically your worst month - being expected to beat everyone who's name is not lee young ho - beating same person in a MSL to deny him a dual league title, and being considered one of the few that can challenge said person is considered you being in a slump and having your reign over Wow, people aren't expecting Jaedong to be able to beat LuCifer? He must be slumping indeed  | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
but he still always sat there as one of the very few who could give the current bonjwa a run for his money. and just like savior had to defeat nada in a SL bo5 to be acknowledged as bonjwa, flash will have to defeat jd in a bo5 to be acknowledged as bonjwa. | ||
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hyped
United States135 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 03 2010 11:31 Megalisk wrote: Yes the sponsor will demand that EffOrt be replaced by jaedong...considering he was eliminated some time ago.. I'm sure if you held a vote here and in Korea the vast majority would be ok with this considering Efforts recent play. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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eNoq
Netherlands502 Posts
Keep in mind though, JD has NOT faced any Protoss opponent for 26 games, yes 26, and i think JD's best MU is ZvP BY FAR at this very moment. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On May 03 2010 13:14 eNoq wrote: People are saying JD isn't doing that well, eventhough he's 7-3 in his last 10 games. Keep in mind though, JD has NOT faced any Protoss opponent for 26 games, yes 26, and i think JD's best MU is ZvP BY FAR at this very moment. imho he was simply benefiting from very favorable zvp metagame and maps. just like the recent surge in protoss appearance in the later stages of starleagues imho is mainly because the terrans eliminate the zergs, and not because the tosses have stepped up their play. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 03 2010 13:14 eNoq wrote: People are saying JD isn't doing that well, eventhough he's 7-3 in his last 10 games. Keep in mind though, JD has NOT faced any Protoss opponent for 26 games, yes 26, and i think JD's best MU is ZvP BY FAR at this very moment. And? Nobody has ever been judged on their ability by what could have been. That just isn't the way it works. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 03 2010 11:15 Kyo Yuy wrote: Jaedong is bonjwa, TvZ is T favored and Jaedong still 3-1ed Flash in the NATE MSL and there was nothing Flash could do even on T favored maps. Jaedong doesn't actually lose matches, he pretends to be bad in Proleague so that he can completely destroy everyone in BO5s. Don't worry guys, Jaedong will win the Korean Air OSL and the Hana Daetoo MSL, and then he will win the Platinum Mouse just because he is that good and he is the best person to ever play Starcraft and anyone who disagrees doesn't realize that Zerg is the weakest race in SC1. Nice troll bro | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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nurle
Norway308 Posts
On May 03 2010 13:10 IaniAniaN wrote: Jaedong, along with Flash and Bisu (and sometimes Stork) are really the only players whos games against eachother I will watch with popcorn and wearing 3d glasses. This made absolutely no sense at all -_- | ||
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KP_CollectoR
United States744 Posts
On May 03 2010 08:35 Lightwip wrote: You don't get a match fixed for a battle that could go either way. If Jaedong lost to say, Idra, then you could talk about possible match fixing. Besides, that does happen. Stork once forgot goon range(although he won the game). I never said anything about match fixing, nor did I imply anything about match fixing. | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On May 02 2010 22:17 Dionesus wrote: Do you guys think that his reign is over? I know he is still 2nd place on the rankings but he is not as dominate as he once were. Do you guys think it was because of his sickness that he is slumping, new map pool could be imba towards zerg, or metagame has shifted and Jaedong can not adapt? What are your thoughts? I should probably spoiler this.. + Show Spoiler + have you seen his recent game vs Midas? he aboslutely won that with beautiful skill and massive amounts of multitasking, scouted his tech switches and everything, adapted to whatever Midas tried to throw at him, and he basically overwhelmed Midas hard. he hasn't been playing like he used to, but that game just devastated me. the game gave me the chills, i wanted him to win so bad and he did with his amazing playstyle | ||
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TTSA_SBR
Australia64 Posts
that he has thrown a few games. he is #4 at the moment, but soon his slump will end and he will become good again. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 03 2010 15:36 KP_CollectoR wrote: I never said anything about match fixing, nor did I imply anything about match fixing. Whoops, my mistake. Thought the earlier poster did. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
Bisu on the otherhand... | ||
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Raol
Romania56 Posts
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JDforever
China69 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 03 2010 16:11 Raol wrote: JD is still JaeDong. In a final against Flash, JD is the favorite IMO. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Jaedong/Overall_Statistics#Best-Of-Five_Matches 18-3 in Bo5's. If he lost a Bo5 that would be pretty insane. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On May 03 2010 15:48 Sephy69 wrote: I should probably spoiler this.. + Show Spoiler + have you seen his recent game vs Midas? he aboslutely won that with beautiful skill and massive amounts of multitasking, scouted his tech switches and everything, adapted to whatever Midas tried to throw at him, and he basically overwhelmed Midas hard. he hasn't been playing like he used to, but that game just devastated me. the game gave me the chills, i wanted him to win so bad and he did with his amazing playstyle yeah that game was so sick | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On May 03 2010 16:11 Raol wrote: JD is still JaeDong. In a final against Flash, JD is the favorite IMO. ........... I don't think this is even worth a response, but I'll go ahead and do it anyway. Are you blind and deaf? Have you been in Siberia since the last MSL Finals? There is absolutely no way that Jaedong is the favorite over Flash in a Bo5, be it the finals or any other Bo5. In their last Bo3 Jaedong got crushed 2-0 and whatever you may think about the last MSL Finals, they are certainly not representative. After that they had a single game which Flash won. From that point on Flash was and is still performing consistently and distinctly better than Jaedong, crushing everything and everyone in his wake. If anything Jaedong is suspected to give Flash some trouble in a BoX, the only reason being his past Bo5 performances and his reputation. But the favorite? Seriously man.... even fanboyism should have borders. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1614 Posts
vZ: 114-38 (75.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W L W W W L W W | View Games vP: 92-43 (68.15%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W W W L W | View Games | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
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