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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
February 15 2010 04:01 GMT
#1



The beating last month of a 15-year-old girl in the transit tunnel at Westlake Center as security personnel watched without intervening is prompting a review of King County Metro's policies for its unarmed guards.

The incident — which was partially captured on surveillance video — happened about 7:15 p.m. Jan. 28 and involved a large group of teens and young adults, according to the King County Sheriff's Office. Another 15-year-old girl is allegedly the one who can be seen on the video assaulting the victim, kicking her head several times while she is on the pavement.

Two security guards stand over the victim while she's being pummeled and do not intervene. At one point in the video, one guard is seen raising his arm toward the assailant, who ignores him.

The guards, who work under contract with Metro, are restricted from intervening in assaults.

"The events surrounding this incident are troubling, and the video images distressing," Metro Transit General Manager Kevin Desmond said in a news release Tuesday. "The county executive has ordered us to work with the Sheriff's Office to review the circumstances surrounding this incident and seek advice from other security experts to determine whether we need to change our security protocols."

The guards, who work for Olympic Security Services, provide security throughout the transit system.

According to the contract with Metro, guards with Olympic Security Services are instructed not to intervene when witnessing suspicious behavior or criminal activity, but to "observe and report" and radio the Metro Transit Control Center, which relays requests for assistance to the appropriate law-enforcement agencies.

According to the Sheriff's Office, the guards called the tunnel communication center after the Jan. 28 assault.

In light of the assault, Metro is reviewing the restriction on physically intervening in fights or other criminal activity, Desmond said.

Asked if he thought the guards acted appropriately in light of the policy, Desmond said, "The whole thing, in terms of what happened with or without a sensational video, is very concerning and very disturbing to us. On the face of it, the security guards were following the letter of the policy. I certainly wish they had done something different. ...

"We're talking with Olympic and we're going to change that policy," he said.

According to the Sheriff's Office, the incident began when a group of 10 teens surrounded the victim inside the downtown Macy's, intending to rob her. One of the men threatened to kill her, the report said.

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Police broke up that confrontation, but the group followed the victim and her friend into the bus tunnel, the report said.

The alleged assailant can be seen in the video shoving the victim into the bus lane, then continuing to beat her on the platform, pushing her to the ground and kicking her several times, including in the head.

While this was happening, other members of the group stole the girl's purse, book bag, cellphone and iPod, the Sheriff's Office said.

The video was obtained by KING-TV.

Two Seattle police officers arrived within minutes but the suspects had fled, said police spokesman Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. Metro Transit police arrived about five minutes after the assault and interviewed the security guards who had watched the assault, as well as witnesses.

According to Sheriff's Office spokesman Sgt. John Urquhart, the victim was not hospitalized but saw a doctor. Some of her hair was pulled out, and she had scratches and bruises and "is still very sore," Urquhart said Tuesday night. The girl said she lost consciousness during the attack, the Sheriff's Office said. She knew her assailant and others in the group, police said.

The Sheriff's Office arrested the alleged assailant on Friday and booked her into the King County Youth Services Center for investigation of felony second-degree assault.

The alleged assailant's mother said she has no idea what happened inside the bus tunnel. She said she hasn't been allowed to talk to her daughter and that her daughter's lawyer won't return her calls.

"I'm worried about her," the woman said. "I know she's been in fights, but I don't know what happened."

Detectives arrested three more suspects on Saturday — two men, 18 and 20, and an 18-year-old woman from South Seattle. The Sheriff's Office said they are suspected of assault, robbery and felony harassment.

A 17-year-old male suspect is still being sought.

Sound Transit also hires unarmed guards, from Securitas, to conduct fare enforcement and to patrol transit stations.

Securitas guards are to observe and report like the Metro guards, but Sound Transit and Securitas policies anticipate that on occasion, they'll intervene:

"When faced with a clear and immediate threat of bodily harm, the Security Officer must always first consider retreating with any other people present to a secure position. When necessary to protect self and others from a clear and immediate threat of bodily harm, a Security Officer must use only the degree of force necessary to repel an attack or threat of an attack. Security Officers who improperly use or apply excessive force may be subject to disciplinary action and may be held criminally liable for their actions."

Securitas guards have broken up fights, including at transit centers in Federal Way and Auburn, said Sound Transit spokesman Bruce Gray.

The private security guards are not empowered to make arrests, but they do have authority under state law to issue citations (currently a $124 fine) to suspected fare evaders. Sound Transit also employs an armed police force, made up of sheriff's deputies.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011027703_webbeating09m.html

3 group men just standing there idling. Isn't this their job to prevent any trouble?
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seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-15 04:07:22
February 15 2010 04:05 GMT
#2
On February 15 2010 13:01 [X]Ken_D wrote:


3 group men just standing there idling. Isn't this their job to prevent any trouble?

According the article it isn't.
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
February 15 2010 04:05 GMT
#3
it says they are restricted from intervening, what kind of security is that? how safe do people feel knowing they can get stomped on with nobody to aid them?

the people that did the stomping/gang bashing whatever are low life scum
HEY MEYT
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
February 15 2010 04:09 GMT
#4
legal binding > moral binding welcome to 2010
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
February 15 2010 04:11 GMT
#5
On February 15 2010 13:05 seppolevne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 13:01 [X]Ken_D wrote:


3 group men just standing there idling. Isn't this their job to prevent any trouble?

According the article it isn't.


They have responsibilities beyond their job.
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Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
February 15 2010 04:11 GMT
#6
weak ass fight....post better fights.
ya had ya shot kid!
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
February 15 2010 04:11 GMT
#7
Diffusion of responsibility I guess. I don't blame the guards anymore than the other onlookers.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
February 15 2010 04:12 GMT
#8
wo
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
February 15 2010 04:12 GMT
#9
w
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StarsPride
Profile Joined January 2010
United States364 Posts
February 15 2010 04:12 GMT
#10
Due to my observation skills i Noticed the suspects were african american.
InfC.Pride
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
February 15 2010 04:12 GMT
#11
Wow I was just there last weekend. That's really shocking to see. I would expect them to do something to try and help out even if it isn't in their job description.
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
February 15 2010 04:12 GMT
#12
how do they sleep at night
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ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
February 15 2010 04:13 GMT
#13
WTF that makes no sense at all.. This is just...depressing. What is their job then? to look like security guards? Now everyone knows they're not.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
February 15 2010 04:16 GMT
#14
Yeah I saw this on TV earlier this week...

I don't care if it isn't their job, I personally wouldn't be able to NOT break that up. How could someone sit there and watch that happen?
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
February 15 2010 04:16 GMT
#15
That's ridiculous... they don't even make sure she's alright
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
February 15 2010 04:17 GMT
#16
security guards should just go around clubbing heads
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aeroH
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1034 Posts
February 15 2010 04:17 GMT
#17
okay, they can't get "involved" with the conflict
they can't take her to a hospital? help her?
Rotation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States118 Posts
February 15 2010 04:18 GMT
#18
It's very sad to see this. This goes to show how much law has an influence on society.

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Spartan
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2030 Posts
February 15 2010 04:18 GMT
#19
On February 15 2010 13:12 Sfydjklm wrote:
wo

On February 15 2010 13:12 Sfydjklm wrote:
w

..so that's how you got 5,000 plus posts. o_o
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Perfect Assassin
Profile Joined August 2009
Mexico56 Posts
February 15 2010 04:19 GMT
#20
That's pretty fucked up, but there's a whole lot of incidents like this right on the streets you know...
With fire justice is served
Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
February 15 2010 04:21 GMT
#21
As security guards they're not supposed to do anything. The security company that contracts you tells you multiple times to do nothing and that you're just there to observe. I still wouldn't have just stood by though, grow some balls nubs.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
February 15 2010 04:22 GMT
#22
this really is retarded, it doesnt even matter if they are security guards or not. if you see someone on the ground getting their head fucking stomped on, go do something about it. don't just stand there and watch, break it up and help the person that's getting the stuffing beat out of them. law or not who gives a fuck, someone's personal health and safety is more important

sickening
HEY MEYT
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 15 2010 04:24 GMT
#23
fuck that stupid witness bitch, OMG THEY DID NOTHING (but neither did I). Bit of a hypocrite, but yea those guards could have went above and beyond the call of duty. pretty retarded.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-15 04:26:24
February 15 2010 04:26 GMT
#24
Woah. I bet legally they're not aloud to intervene. World sucks,
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
February 15 2010 04:27 GMT
#25
These situations are extremely fucked up. What's even worse, if those guards intervened the attackers could probably sue the metro station for lots of money. What an easy job. Wake up, put on a vest, and stand around a metro station all day for the illusion of security.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
February 15 2010 04:28 GMT
#26
The fucking retarded part is if the security so much as touched one of the attackers they would be fired on the spot and then sued.
theron[wdt]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States395 Posts
February 15 2010 04:29 GMT
#27
there's a special place in hell for them, and they'll be going with gasoline clothing on
Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
February 15 2010 04:35 GMT
#28
On February 15 2010 13:16 Mikilatov wrote:
Yeah I saw this on TV earlier this week...

I don't care if it isn't their job, I personally wouldn't be able to NOT break that up. How could someone sit there and watch that happen?


This 30 million bajillion fucking times over
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CaptainPlatypus
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States852 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-15 04:44:40
February 15 2010 04:41 GMT
#29
Speaking as someone with an unarmed security job, intervening when that's expressly forbidden by policy will cost you your job and possibly your license. Intervening even when it is your job to do so (as it seems to have been here) opens both you and your company to all sorts of lawsuits, and so you have to be very careful about it. Since the license requirements for security work (at least in California) don't actually include training on how to subdue a suspect without injuring them permanently, I can see why someone who doesn't know that would be hesitant to intervene even if permitted by policy, especially with a female minor. Personally, I do know how to do that, and would have done something, but the vast majority of my coworkers don't. Hell, I'm not sure some of them would able to restrain a reasonably tough 15 year old girl, let alone two with eight guys (assuming the others would have interfered)! It's not exactly a very selective job (which is probably why I'm employed right now).

Of course, if I wasn't an employed security guard at the place it happened, I would have broken that shit up even faster, if only to teach them both how to fucking punch. Disgraceful.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 15 2010 04:42 GMT
#30
I like how everybody in this thread thinks that they would be a super-intervener and all, but if they were there, they would most likely not do shit.

Several factors:

bystander effect: the more people there are (especially police /law enforcement) that don't do anything, other bystanders feel like they aren't as "responsible" and that someone will do something. When somebody does do something, they will jump in as though they were planning to the entire time. Kitty Genovese case

second: the fact that there are six black people bashing another person is more than likely to scare most bystanders, even self-righteous TLers, from intervening, and as before, especially if law enforcement / authority figures don't do anything themselves.

there are more, but those are several of the biggest. I would also like to believe that I would help the person getting curbstomped, but science and psychology say otherwise

on topic, that policy is pretty weak. Are they afraid that the metro guards will abuse their powers? Like as if that'd be any different from regular po-po
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nicoaldo
Profile Joined March 2009
Argentina939 Posts
February 15 2010 04:43 GMT
#31
On February 15 2010 13:35 Sad[Panda] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 13:16 Mikilatov wrote:
Yeah I saw this on TV earlier this week...

I don't care if it isn't their job, I personally wouldn't be able to NOT break that up. How could someone sit there and watch that happen?


This 30 million bajillion fucking times over


Even if u loose your job for breaking that up?.... I know this is retarded, but still, this is fucked up what can i tell u...
..Slick...
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States202 Posts
February 15 2010 04:45 GMT
#32
On February 15 2010 13:11 Kennelie wrote:
weak ass fight....post better fights.

it was written
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
February 15 2010 04:45 GMT
#33
Wtf are the security guards doing though...
Blah
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
February 15 2010 04:46 GMT
#34
On February 15 2010 13:18 Spartan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 13:12 Sfydjklm wrote:
wo

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2010 13:12 Sfydjklm wrote:
w

..so that's how you got 5,000 plus posts. o_o

it's the in thing to do on lpnet- not use the edit button.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 15 2010 04:47 GMT
#35
What is the point of having security guards if they can't fucking do anything lol
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Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-15 04:48:50
February 15 2010 04:48 GMT
#36
If the guards would have done something they would have got sued. We live in a modern world where if you do anything you get sued, fired, kicked out of school etc etc. My highschool would suspend students who obviously were only fighting to defend themselves when it was on camera. Kid got jumped and all he did was push the attacker over and he got suspended for participating in a fight lol.

Also, wonder if they would have broken up white people.
Daedes
Profile Joined August 2009
Bangladesh105 Posts
February 15 2010 04:49 GMT
#37
oh well that girl probably deserved it...look at what she was wearing.
RyanS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States620 Posts
February 15 2010 04:51 GMT
#38
It looks like the only thing they did was tell them to get out of the bus lane, once they were out of it nothing mattered to them. ~.~
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15327 Posts
February 15 2010 04:54 GMT
#39
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112001
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SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
February 15 2010 04:54 GMT
#40
On February 15 2010 13:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What is the point of having security guards if they can't fucking do anything lol

seriously, what's their purpose...they get paid to create an illusion of being safe apparently..
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