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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-06 19:50:13
August 06 2009 19:48 GMT
#61
Might as well throw in my humble but most likely incorrect opinions/predictions:

Day 1
fantasy < Outsider > Jaedong

Outsider is a zerg map, and like most proleague sets, the first game is the most important. We all know that Jaedong is out of his element in a first game (in what should end up as him playing 3 to 5 games in this series anyhow), and this is even truer against Fantasy. SKT1 may not have the line up picking prowess of January or Cho, but they're not stupid -- it was obvious that a zerg map first meant Jaedong, as Oz would love to start the day off with a strong win for their biggest member.

Fantasy, in a Bo1, might as well be the world's best sniper. I know he's got something planned, and Jaedong almost always takes a stumble in the first game against a clever plan. Happened with Skyhigh, happened with Orion, happened with Movie, Frozean and dozens of other players I fail to mention. I'm putting my money on Fantasy for the relative upset, here.

Canata < Shades of Twilight > Lomo

Voting against Canata for TvT? Voting for Lomo? That's right. I feel like I'm just going with the upsets, but I really think Lomo will pull through. Canata has worked himself dry, lately, and all for naught as he had the worst draws this starleague season. I think that's going to affect him here. Expecting a surprising performance from Lomo, ending it before it can sway into Canata's long and strong TvT style.

Hyuk < Neo Medusa > ggaemo

Almost no reason for this other than I think the SKT zerg will crumble under the pressure, whereas the Oz zerg will probably have to play Jaedong in ZvZ until they win a round as punishment. Spartan training will pull through!

BeSt < Colosseum II > BackHo

Another pick I think Oz was happy to have. I think they knew the only person who was going to play on Colo was Best. SKT threw him in, hoping P favoritism would get him an easy win, but they had to be figuring that Hiya was a definite threat here. Oz picked Best, not the other way around, and I think Backho's not only going to win, but embarass Best's formerly bonjwa class PvP.

Thezerg < God's Garden > Killer

TheZerg can ZvZ, kind of, and Killer just doesn't have micro. Even in his win over Movie, it was a sloppy series of just throwing units around. While TheZerg is no stranger to sloppy, he atleast sort of understands ZvZ and I think he'll take this under the perssure.

Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > HiyA

This, I think, is the key match for Oz. Hiya's been in a tough slump lately, but I think this is a designed snipe from Oz. They knew Best was going out on collo, and they knew SKT1 zergs aren't a threat, so Bisu was the commanding choice. Bisu's series against Iris was tough, but I think it'll be more of a wake up call than anything. After a bit of a blunder at the end of that Bo5 series, Bisu's going to be extra cautious not to make mistakes. A non arrogant Bisu looking to make up for his mistakes is a bigger threat than one coming off of an amazing PvT series that'd put him in high spirits. I think Bisu's loss to Iris is what will get this to an Ace Match.

But, if it's the snipe attempt I think it is, and Hiya pulls through, I think Oz will ride a surprising 4-2 to the superace tomorrow.

Fantasy < Neo Harmony > Jaedong

NH is a death trap PvZ, so this is the only reasonable outcome. The big thing here is, I think Jaedong's gonna come into this after a tough loss/snipe, and he's gonna come in Tyrant mode. Jaedong, in the first set, will be plain old Jaedong -- a top class Zerg with a penchant for aggressiveness and crazy micro, which is good enough to match most and beat any other zerg, but Tyrant Jaedong is the one people refer to when they even dare bring up the Bonjwa word. This is the Jaedong that doesn't lose. The one who takes your crazy builds and spits them back at you with star sense bordering ESP, micro bordering clairvoyance, and mechanics bordering hacks. Fantasy will have a build -- a strong one many newbies on Iccup will try out, but Jaedong will adapt, overpower, and prove why Oz is where it's at in this tournament. "Get Jaedong to ace," might sound like a silly game plan, and an overly reliant one, but Jaedong is the only player it makes sense and, more importantly, works with. If Oz's training routine is Spartan-esque, then Jaedong is the Leonidas. A legend, and a defiant one man machine who'll lead his motly bunch of overworked and under appreciated warriors to a history making conclusion.

Remember Violet.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 06 2009 19:48 GMT
#62
hahaha. Oh atrioc so amusing.

4-2 for T1 with Fantasy and one of the T1 zergs dropping a game.
Umm why is this so late? I liked the 13:00 kst playoff time.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
August 06 2009 19:49 GMT
#63
On August 07 2009 04:31 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2009 04:17 Shikyo wrote:
On August 07 2009 04:12 Nylan wrote:
On August 07 2009 03:53 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 07 2009 03:22 Nylan wrote:
On August 07 2009 03:20 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Thing is, Fantasy isn't as clutch as Bisu or Jaedong, this can be seen in the fifth game of both OSL Finals that he's been in as well as his poor ace record. It's a small solace, but a crucial one.


Good thing he's playing the opening set then, huh?

Makes him less dangerous on Neo Harmony and Destination.


Well if he wins, that becomes less of a problem, doesn't it? A win is a win, be it mid-set or super ace.

You're saying super ace is just as important as a normal game?

Nah, he's saying both are wins. Which is correct :p

A super-ace win is just as important as a regular ace game win, however.

impossible
ITS THE SUPER ACE MATCH! nothing compares to this!
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
kaliax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States48 Posts
August 06 2009 19:58 GMT
#64
ROFL at house episode, that made my day.

LETS GO OZ
In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea. - Douglas Adams
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-06 20:09:46
August 06 2009 20:00 GMT
#65
Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
< Neo Harmony >

Outsider is a great map for jaedong with his muta micro. Jaedong will take game one. Canata and hyuk winning next. Backho is doing much better than best right now. Thezerg isn't a bad zerg, so he'll probably beat killer. Then bisu will stomp on hiya.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 2

Day 2
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(T)fantasy < Neo Medusa > (Z)Jaedong

Bisu will stomp on perfect man. Jaedong will rip apart hyuk. I'll give backho the win against canata. Thezerg will beat killer. Fantasy over fantasy. Then slumping best will lose again. Ace match, fantasy will be picked easily, and stomp over jaedong on neo medusa. Map is favored towards terran and oz can't afford to send out their 2nd best player, a toss, on any of the 2 slumping terrans.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 3

SKT 2 - Hwaseung 0

SKT wins proleague.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
August 06 2009 20:02 GMT
#66
I like Oz chances very much on both days. Go Oz!

Epic Hwaseung House by the way.
perfecting the art of five pool forever
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
August 06 2009 20:03 GMT
#67
lol great hwaseung house
SKT should win 4-1 imo
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 06 2009 20:05 GMT
#68
ok.. there were a few people who want JD to 'win' 5games.

Thats NOT possible. If he wins both ACES, no super ace will be played.
Bisu... ;-(
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
August 06 2009 20:07 GMT
#69
Tyrant Mode will activate before the first game. Fantasy has no chance
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-06 20:28:17
August 06 2009 20:14 GMT
#70
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
zerg map + (Z)Jaedong week

(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(T)Canata's tvt is way overhyped, imo a tossup

(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(Z)ggaemo is 1-1 in zvz with both matches against (Z)great, who is far better than (Z)Hyuk

(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
best's pvp isn't what it used to be, (P)BackHo's pvp is still pretty good

(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
possibly unnecessary, but just look at these player's zvz records to see how badly they suck (even (Z)Killer's minor league record is awful) imo another tossup. (Z)Thezerg is probably more used to playing televised matches, so i give him an advantage

(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
(P)Bisu probably, (T)HiyA has a shot though since he has good tvp

(T)fantasy< Neo Harmony >(Z)Jaedong
another tossup, (Z)Jaedong is the better player but this is such a terran map




huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
August 06 2009 20:14 GMT
#71
On August 07 2009 05:05 SkytoM wrote:
ok.. there were a few people who want JD to 'win' 5games.

Thats NOT possible. If he wins both ACES, no super ace will be played.


Um, do you know Jaedong? He could win 8 games this series and I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I expect JD x2, Backho, and ggaemo to win in the 1st match, with SKT taking match 2 and JD shipping the Super Ace. Go OZ! :D
skating
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
August 06 2009 20:21 GMT
#72
On August 07 2009 05:00 MuffinDude wrote:
Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
< Neo Harmony >

Outsider is a great map for jaedong with his muta micro. Jaedong will take game one. Canata and hyuk winning next. Backho is doing much better than best right now. Thezerg isn't a bad zerg, so he'll probably beat killer. Then bisu will stomp on hiya.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 2

Day 2
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(T)fantasy < Neo Medusa > (Z)Jaedong

Bisu will stomp on perfect man. Jaedong will rip apart hyuk. I'll give backho the win against canata. Thezerg will beat killer. Fantasy over fantasy. Then slumping best will lose again. Ace match, fantasy will be picked easily, and stomp over jaedong on neo medusa. Map is favored towards terran and oz can't afford to send out their 2nd best player, a toss, on any of the 2 slumping terrans.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 3

SKT 2 - Hwaseung 0

SKT wins proleague.



you have the SKT "fail zergs" winning 3/4 of their matches. does that make sense?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-06 20:22:19
August 06 2009 20:21 GMT
#73
On August 07 2009 05:14 huameng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2009 05:05 SkytoM wrote:
ok.. there were a few people who want JD to 'win' 5games.

Thats NOT possible. If he wins both ACES, no super ace will be played.


Um, do you know Jaedong? He could win 8 games this series and I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I expect JD x2, Backho, and ggaemo to win in the 1st match, with SKT taking match 2 and JD shipping the Super Ace. Go OZ! :D



edit: sarcasm detection fail.

But yeah, Jaedong can't play 5 games by law of the playoff format. Max he can play is 4.
#1 KawaiiRice fan :D
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
August 06 2009 20:33 GMT
#74
On August 07 2009 05:21 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2009 05:00 MuffinDude wrote:
Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
< Neo Harmony >

Outsider is a great map for jaedong with his muta micro. Jaedong will take game one. Canata and hyuk winning next. Backho is doing much better than best right now. Thezerg isn't a bad zerg, so he'll probably beat killer. Then bisu will stomp on hiya.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 2

Day 2
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(T)fantasy < Neo Medusa > (Z)Jaedong

Bisu will stomp on perfect man. Jaedong will rip apart hyuk. I'll give backho the win against canata. Thezerg will beat killer. Fantasy over fantasy. Then slumping best will lose again. Ace match, fantasy will be picked easily, and stomp over jaedong on neo medusa. Map is favored towards terran and oz can't afford to send out their 2nd best player, a toss, on any of the 2 slumping terrans.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 3

SKT 2 - Hwaseung 0

SKT wins proleague.



you have the SKT "fail zergs" winning 3/4 of their matches. does that make sense?


He also has BackHo winning 2/2
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
August 06 2009 20:34 GMT
#75
THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME!!!!

I can't wait to see backho rolling his roflots all over best's base. Or maybe phailton cannon rush with some extra cheese on the probe? Offensive zizi-yo-pylon? The possibilities are endless and I trust set 4 will be the most entertaining one in the match! Son Chan Woong HWAITING!

Sadly I predict a 4-2 skt1 win though -.-
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-06 20:38:17
August 06 2009 20:37 GMT
#76
gonna stream this for sures
http://tv.zeroboy.net/
or http://c.zeroboy.net/

<3
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-06 20:43:26
August 06 2009 20:41 GMT
#77
On August 07 2009 05:21 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2009 05:00 MuffinDude wrote:
Day 1
(T)fantasy < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(Z)Hyuk < Neo Medusa > (Z)ggaemo
(P)BeSt < Colosseum II > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (T)HiyA
< Neo Harmony >

Outsider is a great map for jaedong with his muta micro. Jaedong will take game one. Canata and hyuk winning next. Backho is doing much better than best right now. Thezerg isn't a bad zerg, so he'll probably beat killer. Then bisu will stomp on hiya.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 2

Day 2
(P)Bisu < Heartbreak Ridge > (P)PerfectMan
(Z)Hyuk < Outsider > (Z)Jaedong
(T)Canata < Destination > (P)BackHo
(Z)Thezerg < God's Garden > (Z)Killer
(T)fantasy < Neo Harmony > (T)HiyA
(P)BeSt < Shades of Twilight > (T)Lomo
(T)fantasy < Neo Medusa > (Z)Jaedong

Bisu will stomp on perfect man. Jaedong will rip apart hyuk. I'll give backho the win against canata. Thezerg will beat killer. Fantasy over fantasy. Then slumping best will lose again. Ace match, fantasy will be picked easily, and stomp over jaedong on neo medusa. Map is favored towards terran and oz can't afford to send out their 2nd best player, a toss, on any of the 2 slumping terrans.

SKT 4 - Hwaseung 3

SKT 2 - Hwaseung 0

SKT wins proleague.



you have the SKT "fail zergs" winning 3/4 of their matches. does that make sense?


SKT "fail zergs" > oz "fail zergs" yes The only non fail zerg in the grand finals is jaedong.

On August 07 2009 05:33 Nylan wrote:
He also has BackHo winning 2/2


And failho is awesome so hes gonna take 2 games =D
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
loafmaster
Profile Joined August 2006
United States203 Posts
August 06 2009 20:43 GMT
#78
Jaedong can play and win a max of 4 games. But he can play up to 5 games if he loses 1.
Solinren
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2653 Posts
August 06 2009 20:43 GMT
#79
Looks like someone was too lazy to change the calendar time from 17:00KST to 18:30KST.

The actual proleague final officially starts at 18:30 with No Brain performing on day one and IU performing on day two. Just before the finals from 17:00 to 18:30, they are going to have Proteam-AllStars

Team A WeMade, STX, CJ, KT vs Team B Woongjin, Khan, ACE, Hite, and Estro


There needs to be hype on this imo.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
August 06 2009 20:45 GMT
#80
On August 07 2009 05:43 Solinren wrote:
Looks like someone was too lazy to change the calendar time from 17:00KST to 18:30KST.

The actual proleague final officially starts at 18:30 with No Brain performing on day one and IU performing on day two. Just before the finals from 17:00 to 18:30, they are going to have Proteam-AllStars

Team A WeMade, STX, CJ, KT vs Team B Woongjin, Khan, ACE, Hite, and Estro


There needs to be hype on this imo.


Team B is auto win. Khan, hite? AND ACE? How imba can this get. =D
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
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