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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 19 2009 07:23 GMT
#841
If it was just a single Bo7 and STX got eliminated yesterday, I'd've been fine with that. A bit sad that STX loses,but at least it was fair and logical.

But this crap? -.-
TranslatorBaa!
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 19 2009 07:24 GMT
#842
On July 19 2009 16:23 faseman wrote:
It's not so much blaming it as much as it's confusing and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. STX wins more games overall but it all came down to one ace match? Just not a fan really. I've never really seen such a strange format.

Have you ever watched tennis? A basketball playoff series? A team needs to win what matters, not useless numbers...
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 19 2009 07:24 GMT
#843
So...anyone play tennis? No one bitches about that. Tiebreak in the fifth too.
Arf
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
July 19 2009 07:24 GMT
#844
Maybe you should be blaming the players instead.

Games don't lose themselves.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
July 19 2009 07:24 GMT
#845
On July 19 2009 16:21 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:18 Garnet wrote:
Gay format. It should be 7-5 for STX.

Hahaha are people really complaining about the format? Both teams knew very well how it worked. They understood that matches mattered, not games. KHAN did what it needed to win on fair ground?
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:20 Roffles wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:19 city42 wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate this format. STX 7-6 Khan, and Khan wins. -.-

If they used the old format, which is just one BO7, Samsung would have won yesterday. What difference does it make?


This guy wins the thread. But yea, props to Jangbi on that old retro build. Such good timing.


Not liking the format is fine. This doesn't mean it was unfair, though- Khan won fair and square.
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
July 19 2009 07:24 GMT
#846
On July 19 2009 16:20 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:17 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On July 19 2009 16:15 deathgod6 wrote:
Can someone explain how STX was arrogant?


Celebrating when they saw their Calm would be facing Jangbi, treating it as an auto-win, and Calm playing a greedy build with little respect for his opponent.

tbh it really did seem like an autowin, Calm has great ZvP and Jangbi is kinda.. sucking it in PvZ


Yeah, but they were all smiles & high fives... the SC Gods hit them with a karma-bolt.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 19 2009 07:25 GMT
#847
On July 19 2009 16:22 FirstBorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:20 FearDarkness wrote:
why people blaming format when Kahn won first match?


Khan won first round 4-3 and STX won second round 4-1. Ergo STX won more matches but still had the chance to play the final ace match.

That's why I think it's a bit unfair.

If the results were reversed with STX winning just like how Khan did, would you be calling for STX to hand over the win to Khan in the name of fairness?
Writerptrk
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 19 2009 07:25 GMT
#848
My consolation is that I'll get to see July destroy Flash in a few hours.
TranslatorBaa!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 19 2009 07:25 GMT
#849
On July 19 2009 16:24 TwoStep wrote:
So...anyone play tennis? No one bitches about that. Tiebreak in the fifth too.


only US have tie break in the fifth set
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 19 2009 07:25 GMT
#850
On July 19 2009 16:23 faseman wrote:
It's not so much blaming it as much as it's confusing and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. STX wins more games overall but it all came down to one ace match? Just not a fan really. I've never really seen such a strange format.


It's basically like tennis, with each set of games counting as a set. Khan won the first set 4-3, STX took the second set 4-1. Instead of playing a third set, they jumped straight to sudden death with an Ace Match to settle the tie. Khan won the sudden death match, so they take the series.

Doesn't matter if you win 6-0, 6-0 in first two sets of tennis, if you lose the next three 6-7, 6-7, 6-7 you still lose the match.
God Bless
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 19 2009 07:25 GMT
#851
On July 19 2009 16:22 FirstBorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:20 FearDarkness wrote:
why people blaming format when Kahn won first match?


Khan won first round 4-3 and STX won second round 4-1. Ergo STX won more matches but still had the chance to play the final ace match.

That's why I think it's a bit unfair.


It's perfectly fair. It doesn't matter if you win 4-0, or 4-3 it's the MATCH COUNT not the GAME COUNT that determines the winner. Hence, it's either 2-0, or 1-1 then super Ace to win the entire thing. If game count matters then the team that goes 4-0 wins the match and can get fucked over if the other team wins the other 3 games and more tomorrow even though they "finished" the match ala NORMAL PROLEAGUE RULES.

What you people complaining about are asking for is a change to the fundamental way PL works. That would be stupid and unfair to the teams.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 19 2009 07:25 GMT
#852
On July 19 2009 16:21 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha are people really complaining about the format? Both teams knew very well how it worked. They understood that matches mattered, not games. KHAN did what it needed to win on fair ground?

The fact that both teams understood the system doesn't lend it any sort of credibility. The entire point of a bo7 is to reduce variance and let the most skilled team win. You throw all that out the fucking window when you stage a bo1 as a tiebreaker.
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
July 19 2009 07:26 GMT
#853
On July 19 2009 16:19 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate this format. STX 7-6 Khan, and Khan wins. -.-

If they used the old format, which is just one BO7, Samsung would have won yesterday. What difference does it make?

you do realize that if they used the old format the games might have been different, the preparations for the game would have been different and the outcome couldve been different.
so stop talking bullshit like it matters.
khan won, undeserved win imo but there is nothing to do about. i just hope that khan will get raped next round.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
July 19 2009 07:26 GMT
#854
Olympics had this format too i think..

They had the country ranking and they are comparing it based on no. of gold medals.. But if you count the no. of medals won instead, the countries ranking will be different..

I'm neutral with this format, but just a little pity for STX as they played their best and showing some very nice games..
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
July 19 2009 07:26 GMT
#855
On July 19 2009 16:25 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2009 16:21 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha are people really complaining about the format? Both teams knew very well how it worked. They understood that matches mattered, not games. KHAN did what it needed to win on fair ground?

The fact that both teams understood the system doesn't lend it any sort of credibility. The entire point of a bo7 is to reduce variance and let the most skilled team win. You throw all that out the fucking window when you stage a bo1 as a tiebreaker.


Yeah but that gets balanced out by having TWO BO7s before....
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
July 19 2009 07:26 GMT
#856
On July 19 2009 16:23 faseman wrote:
It's not so much blaming it as much as it's confusing and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. STX wins more games overall but it all came down to one ace match? Just not a fan really. I've never really seen such a strange format.


Have you followed professional sports, at all, ever?
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
July 19 2009 07:27 GMT
#857
After today's result, i gotta admit I feel STX got robbed. I mean yesterday they lose a really close match 4-3. Today they completely dominate 4-1... but it doesn't matter cuz everything is decided into 1 match. Seems like KHAN could have easily thrown away all their games today and still advance with 1 win.

It would be freaking epic if they made them play a third round in winner's league format...
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 19 2009 07:27 GMT
#858
On July 19 2009 16:25 ArvickHero wrote:
If the results were reversed with STX winning just like how Khan did, would you be calling for STX to hand over the win to Khan in the name of fairness?

Calling for Khan to hand over the win? I don't think any of us are suggesting that we should be the victors; we're suggesting it shouldn't be over yet.
faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
July 19 2009 07:27 GMT
#859
Can't comment on basketball. Don't know anything about it.

If you compare it to tennis it's like losing 7-5 in sets and THEN playing a tie-break. Just doesn't make much sense.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 19 2009 07:27 GMT
#860
On July 19 2009 16:26 darktreb wrote:
Yeah but that gets balanced out by having TWO BO7s before....


That makes it even more ridiculous. You put time and effort into making a potential 14 games, but STILL have the ultimate outcome decided by one game.
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