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On March 06 2009 20:41 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 20:32 Coffee wrote:On March 06 2009 20:30 malongo wrote:
Moral of the story: If you are ahead dont let the opponent play like you are even. Jaedong neglectded mutas AND drops. In fact played 1 base ahead but never cared to improve his leading. Keyword: Iniciative. ah yes, MUTA AND DROP VS 7 SAIR. now that would have definately won the game for jaedong! if only he knew how to play sc, the fact is, he had the lead, decided to engage, he should have instead just played that defensive advantage and macro'd. he woulda easily won but he threw away a huge army with a weak attack. If you want to argue something be civilized or stfo, obviously you have 0 strategical abilities and worse understanding of the game. The only thing you propose is that going ahead your best option is playing defensive? you didnt see jaedong vs free. Jaedong used a 2 hatch spire with no mutas, early mutas force to waste storms and delay the P, and drops are an option even against 7 corsairs when you have a scourge fleet just patrolling.
Going mutas vs 7 sairs is not a great decision. Even if you have scourge. Comparing it to JD vs free isn't entirely accurate, because free was able to macro pretty much unmolested off of 4 gas for 10 minutes or so. In hindsight, JD probably should have spent a bit more time macroing up, and then attacked stork, instead of the disaster that did happen. He had stork nearly contained. It would not have been unwise in the slightest to sit back and macro.
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it was just a retarded attack. he attacked a superior force, on a RAMP BOTTLENECK, and then when he was getting OBLITERATED he ran the rest of his units into the storm
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games like this are exactly why i thought bisu would crush jaedong in a series.
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The deciding moment of this game was when JD decided to make some sort of push against Stork's nat with hydras and lurkers and - despite attacking from above a ramp - got WTF-owned by scarabs (reavers) and storms, giving up map control to Stork, creating the opening to take down JD's 3rd.
Too bad I missed the end of the game, but by the sound of it, he just did what was postponed from 10 minutes back.
GG Stork!
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As I said, he was even in supply and 2 gas ahead of Stork. That's pretty much a won game.
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On March 06 2009 20:49 GinNtoniC wrote:
The deciding moment of this game was when JD decided to make some sort of push against Stork's nat with hydras and lurkers and - despite attacking from above a ramp - got WTF-owned by scarabs (reavers) and storms, giving up map control to Stork, creating the opening to take down JD's 3rd.
Too bad I missed the end of the game, but by the sound of it, he just did what was postponed from 10 minutes back.
GG Stork!
The JD forces at thats time cannot beat stork's force anyway even with level playing field. reavers inbetween goons and ht.
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oh god cdrdude is painful, but thanks for the LR anyhow. im a jaedong fan but i dont like that crap.
actually i like hero i hope he goes all the way
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Soon the crowd will be shouting Song Byung Goo again all the way to another OSL gold or another silver who knows.
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On March 06 2009 20:45 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 20:41 malongo wrote:On March 06 2009 20:32 Coffee wrote:On March 06 2009 20:30 malongo wrote:
Moral of the story: If you are ahead dont let the opponent play like you are even. Jaedong neglectded mutas AND drops. In fact played 1 base ahead but never cared to improve his leading. Keyword: Iniciative. ah yes, MUTA AND DROP VS 7 SAIR. now that would have definately won the game for jaedong! if only he knew how to play sc, the fact is, he had the lead, decided to engage, he should have instead just played that defensive advantage and macro'd. he woulda easily won but he threw away a huge army with a weak attack. If you want to argue something be civilized or stfo, obviously you have 0 strategical abilities and worse understanding of the game. The only thing you propose is that going ahead your best option is playing defensive? you didnt see jaedong vs free. Jaedong used a 2 hatch spire with no mutas, early mutas force to waste storms and delay the P, and drops are an option even against 7 corsairs when you have a scourge fleet just patrolling. Going mutas vs 7 sairs is not a great decision. Even if you have scourge. Comparing it to JD vs free isn't entirely accurate, because free was able to macro pretty much unmolested off of 4 gas for 10 minutes or so. In hindsight, JD probably should have spent a bit more time macroing up, and then attacked stork, instead of the disaster that did happen. He had stork nearly contained. It would not have been unwise in the slightest to sit back and macro.
First its not like the 7 corsairs lived all the game. Second when the zerg IS ahead in workers+bases normally the worst option is to keep taking bases and let the opponent unmolested (here the jaedong/free game). Most of the time "nearly contained" is not enough. Jaedong never used his advantage to hurt the P economy.
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The LRing tonight was really funny. I dont know how usefull it was for people who actually didn't have a stream, but for me it was hilarious. As long as the lr is acurate coloring it up is fine with me. :D
GJ CDRdude & Aesop
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Yay plotoss power. Wtf hwasin I had faith in you.
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Stork's sair/reaver harass attempts bought him the time that he needed to get templars and a bigger army to take another base. Jaedong had plenty of hydras but he couldn't use them because Stork's shuttle/reaver was roaming around. Also notice that when Jaedong attacked with lurkers, hydras, and lings, he also left a part of his army back home, probably to defend against further harassment. The threat of force was all that Stork needed.
I believe Jaedong sent a few lings to Stork's new expo to draw Stork's army there, and trap them in the valley leading back to his nat, or to take the high ground outside Stork's nat. Either way, Stork moved back earlier than Jaedong could set up his units and annihilated Jaedong's army. Jaedong was still in this, but Stork sealed the deal by blocking off Jaedong's army and taking out his 4th base at 1.
Overall pretty good play by Stork. Bisu didn't charge into Jaedong's armies and bases either in their game 1 on Andromeda. He withered Jaedong slowly and only when he has secured more bases would he go for the killing blow. Of course Bisu would get praised for playing it smartly while Stork is a noob for wasting 10 minutes to kill an already dead opponent (who still has many bases and an army with many lurkers/scourge).
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On March 06 2009 21:08 Divinek wrote:
Yay plotoss power. Wtf hwasin I had faith in you.
Good ol' plotoss...
Sorry i had to  .
Anyway my predictions got fucked, i thought Fantasy would fluke a win, and Best somehow sneak a win off his teammate, along with thinking Jaedong would win of course... Oh well i got by.hero right  .
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On March 06 2009 18:11 CDRdude wrote:
Jaedong < Stork
wat
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On March 06 2009 21:17 rushz0rz wrote:wat
Cry more. I want to taste your tears.
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On March 06 2009 21:19 Fwmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 21:17 rushz0rz wrote:On March 06 2009 18:11 CDRdude wrote:
Jaedong < Stork
wat Cry more. I want to taste your tears.
Huh???
I could care less who won, don't really care for either player. I just did not expect it at all.
If you're going to be some quick, witty cool guy, at least make sure you're using it to on an appropriate post.
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I got late for the stream and the first thing I saw was 12+ archons and 2 reavers wreaking havoc at JD's expansion.
I'm currently refreshing the vod tracker page like a madman. Wasn't expecting Stork to do anything at all but delay the inevitable and maybe take it to midgame. Not win.
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Yay Stork! Don't ever doubt the bird when he has time to practice - no one has a larger gap in playing from practiced to unpracticed than Stork.
Also, figured Bisu would win, Best isn't near him. Hope Hwasin wins so Stork doesn't have to face Zergs the whole way because Luxury's going to win the other half of the bracket.
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On March 06 2009 20:25 disciple wrote:here's for your def and macro JD
lol, Bisu is kinda insecure in that thumbs down, hmm wonder why
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Stork forces me to scratch my head.
He's got the ugliest PvZ ever but it actually works, and it's supremely underrated it seems. Yay that bisu won  , yay that luxury won :r, the Stork outcome is great even though it was ugly and that's about it. By.Hero is becoming one of my more favorite zergs though.
Hero for OSL!
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