On February 26 2009 11:45 economist_ wrote:
SInce when map has been an issue for a mirror?
Positional imbalance sometimes comes into it. SInce when map has been an issue for a mirror?
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On February 26 2009 11:45 economist_ wrote: Positional imbalance sometimes comes into it. Show nested quote + On February 26 2009 11:41 sung_moon wrote: MJY I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!! these maps seem balanced so that shouldnt b an issue savior 3-1 SInce when map has been an issue for a mirror? | ||
eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
We shall see what happens, I'm definitely cheering for Savior. | ||
Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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brjdrb
United States577 Posts
On February 26 2009 12:23 Ideas wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2009 12:13 3 Lions wrote: On February 26 2009 12:11 sung_moon wrote: Mind was really young back then (15 or 16). Making the MSL Quarterfinal at that age shows that you have great potential. Also, another advantage that Mind (back in 2007) has over Zero is Nada. I think that Nada had a huge influence in Mind's success in that MSL. Mind must have really talked to Nada a lot about facing Savior. However, GGPlay's ZvZ is worse than Zero's ZvZ. Zero has nothing to learn from GGPlay. Unless Zero moves to Hwaseung or CJ, I don't see him becoming a big name because he isn't young (by progaming standards) and he has no great mentors. although zero has weak ZvZ partners that doesnt mean he has weak ZvZ.... jaedong? what I meant was that he has less room to improve I have to say a lot of times i feel that practice partner teammates are overrated. I mean how can you explain bisu's excellent PvZ, FBH's abysmal TvP, and Flash's TvT/Z/P if good teammates to practice with is related so much to a player's skill in a MU? it's not just always just about in-house practice partners. for example, stork gave credit to much for the builds he used to defeat best last osl. and anyway, for regular matches, don't a-team members usually practice with b-team members? so i doubt fbh practices with stork / jangbi very often except for especially important matches, if then | ||
Ideas
United States8055 Posts
On February 26 2009 12:28 brjdrb wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2009 12:23 Ideas wrote: On February 26 2009 12:13 3 Lions wrote: On February 26 2009 12:11 sung_moon wrote: Mind was really young back then (15 or 16). Making the MSL Quarterfinal at that age shows that you have great potential. Also, another advantage that Mind (back in 2007) has over Zero is Nada. I think that Nada had a huge influence in Mind's success in that MSL. Mind must have really talked to Nada a lot about facing Savior. However, GGPlay's ZvZ is worse than Zero's ZvZ. Zero has nothing to learn from GGPlay. Unless Zero moves to Hwaseung or CJ, I don't see him becoming a big name because he isn't young (by progaming standards) and he has no great mentors. although zero has weak ZvZ partners that doesnt mean he has weak ZvZ.... jaedong? what I meant was that he has less room to improve I have to say a lot of times i feel that practice partner teammates are overrated. I mean how can you explain bisu's excellent PvZ, FBH's abysmal TvP, and Flash's TvT/Z/P if good teammates to practice with is related so much to a player's skill in a MU? it's not just always just about in-house practice partners. for example, stork gave credit to much for the builds he used to defeat best last osl. and anyway, for regular matches, don't a-team members usually practice with b-team members? so i doubt fbh practices with stork / jangbi very often except for especially important matches, if then yeah thats my point, just because a player doesnt have any other strong players on his team, it doesnt mean that he will by default be disadvantaged for matches. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On February 26 2009 12:28 brjdrb wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2009 12:23 Ideas wrote: On February 26 2009 12:13 3 Lions wrote: On February 26 2009 12:11 sung_moon wrote: Mind was really young back then (15 or 16). Making the MSL Quarterfinal at that age shows that you have great potential. Also, another advantage that Mind (back in 2007) has over Zero is Nada. I think that Nada had a huge influence in Mind's success in that MSL. Mind must have really talked to Nada a lot about facing Savior. However, GGPlay's ZvZ is worse than Zero's ZvZ. Zero has nothing to learn from GGPlay. Unless Zero moves to Hwaseung or CJ, I don't see him becoming a big name because he isn't young (by progaming standards) and he has no great mentors. although zero has weak ZvZ partners that doesnt mean he has weak ZvZ.... jaedong? what I meant was that he has less room to improve I have to say a lot of times i feel that practice partner teammates are overrated. I mean how can you explain bisu's excellent PvZ, FBH's abysmal TvP, and Flash's TvT/Z/P if good teammates to practice with is related so much to a player's skill in a MU? it's not just always just about in-house practice partners. for example, stork gave credit to much for the builds he used to defeat best last osl. and anyway, for regular matches, don't a-team members usually practice with b-team members? so i doubt fbh practices with stork / jangbi very often except for especially important matches, if then i would guess fbh asks stork and jangbi pretty often to practice with him. i remember a while ago stork was talking about how fbh kept on improving at tvp after a lot of practicing with the protoss teammates. nevertheless, i agree with ideas that teammates don't have too much of an effect on the player's potential. i don't think it's fair to say that mind had more potential just because he had nada. if a player is talented, he will get good regardless of who he has within the team to practice against. also, do you really think that one and a half year of age difference really speaks that much about potential? | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
Why is ACE bad? Boxer himself said it's not because they don't get enough practice time (plenty of that he says), but because of the low number of people to practice with. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
besides, players often practice with their friends from different teams anyway. i just don't buy the argument that teammates is what makes mind's skill potential higher than zero's. but on the other hand, i have to say that having nada next to you must give you some extra confidence booster | ||
konadora
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Singapore66071 Posts
![]() ![]() ![]() Zero's ZvZ is pretty badass, but.. I BELIEVE IN MA BONJWAAAAAA | ||
economist_
Vietnam719 Posts
On February 26 2009 12:23 Zozma wrote: Show nested quote + Positional imbalance sometimes comes into it. On February 26 2009 11:45 economist_ wrote: On February 26 2009 11:41 sung_moon wrote: MJY I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!! these maps seem balanced so that shouldnt b an issue savior 3-1 SInce when map has been an issue for a mirror? Imbalance is about the difference between likelihood of winning right before the game starts If position is important then each player has the same chance of getting the good/bad position before playing the game. I dont see how it could be about standard imbalance issue | ||
AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
On February 26 2009 12:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I disagree. Having good people to practice again is ridiculously important if you want to get good. Why is ACE bad? Boxer himself said it's not because they don't get enough practice time (plenty of that he says), but because of the low number of people to practice with. I think Ace is bad because of the differents of perspective. A pro gamer playing in proleague is living the dream and every win is one step close to that ultimate #1 ranking. Ace players are Ex-pro gamers now in the military. Yes they are very very fucking good, but there is just no way they can have the same mentality or results playing just in team leagues against people striving for the OSL/MSL/GOM.... That is what I think it is, limited potential of good results, stems good results... What do you think? | ||
eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On February 26 2009 13:49 eatmyshorts5 wrote: It's funny though, even though savior has achieved more than almost everybody nobody [and by nobody I mean everybody] really considers him a bonjwa. He even took the path of the bonjwa, would you guys say he's a bonjwa? fixed | ||
Ozarugold
2716 Posts
On February 26 2009 13:49 eatmyshorts5 wrote: It's funny though, even though savior has achieved more than almost everybody nobody really considers him a bonjwa. He even took the path of the bonjwa, would you guys say he's a bonjwa? Savior is bonjwa. He's the sole zerg bonjwa. | ||
Roxen000
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 26 2009 13:49 eatmyshorts5 wrote: It's funny though, even though savior has achieved more than almost everybody nobody really considers him a bonjwa. He even took the path of the bonjwa, would you guys say he's a bonjwa? What? Are you new? Pretty sure any sane person considered Savior bonjwa in 2006, he's the reason they coined the term in the first place. | ||
cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On February 26 2009 13:49 eatmyshorts5 wrote: It's funny though, even though savior has achieved more than almost everybody nobody really considers him a bonjwa. He even took the path of the bonjwa, would you guys say he's a bonjwa? haha? joke? everyone considers him, along with nada iloveoov and boxer, a bonjwa. | ||
OnlyChobo
Canada126 Posts
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