|
On February 25 2009 19:08 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2009 19:06 disciple wrote:
Bisu is better than JangBi in every MU, KTY is around 80% in PvT in the past like 3 maybe 4 months, will check it out to be sure ... Bisu has Jangbi in PvZ and especially PvP.... PvT is equal at best, Jangbi has only lost a whole 3 in the past 4 months.. 3 out of 22.
before today bisu was 17-2 over the past 5 months pvt (3-1 vs flash, too)
*shrug they're probably around equal.
i just watched the game against iris and it was a tough loss. maybe i missed something but that minefield that lost him the game was kind of unlucky - it was between his natural and his push break, correct?
of course, credit to iris for the positioning, and it's bisu's fault for not having obs, but it just seemed like the kind of flukish loss that happens to everyone every so often.
|
On February 25 2009 20:13 traced wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2009 19:08 Jayme wrote:On February 25 2009 19:06 disciple wrote:
Bisu is better than JangBi in every MU, KTY is around 80% in PvT in the past like 3 maybe 4 months, will check it out to be sure ... Bisu has Jangbi in PvZ and especially PvP.... PvT is equal at best, Jangbi has only lost a whole 3 in the past 4 months.. 3 out of 22. before today bisu was 17-2 over the past 5 months pvt (3-1 vs flash, too) *shrug they're probably around equal. i just watched the game against iris and it was a tough loss. maybe i missed something but that minefield that lost him the game was kind of unlucky - it was between his natural and his push break, correct? of course, credit to iris for the positioning, and it's bisu's fault for not having obs, but it just seemed like the kind of flukish loss that happens to everyone every so often.
The real killer was that Bisu went 2 base arbiter against the only Terran that still timing pushes. Yes losing 6 goons stupidly to mind fields never helps but yea, he was just overwhelmed.
|
On February 25 2009 20:13 traced wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2009 19:08 Jayme wrote:On February 25 2009 19:06 disciple wrote:
Bisu is better than JangBi in every MU, KTY is around 80% in PvT in the past like 3 maybe 4 months, will check it out to be sure ... Bisu has Jangbi in PvZ and especially PvP.... PvT is equal at best, Jangbi has only lost a whole 3 in the past 4 months.. 3 out of 22. before today bisu was 17-2 over the past 5 months pvt (3-1 vs flash, too) *shrug they're probably around equal. i just watched the game against iris and it was a tough loss. maybe i missed something but that minefield that lost him the game was kind of unlucky - it was between his natural and his push break, correct? of course, credit to iris for the positioning, and it's bisu's fault for not having obs, but it just seemed like the kind of flukish loss that happens to everyone every so often.
Bisu is a PvP God at the moment. No sense in denying it. That's what won him his recent titles.
His PvT is good, but not quite at JangBi's level I think. I can't even remember the last time JangBi lost vs. a terran. He must be 20-0 or 19-1 or something in his last 20 PvT, with a 72% record against T overall.
Bisu's PvZ is still a bit shaky imho. Sure, he can still pull off wins, even from quite big names. But I think when it comes to maps that are slightly favored towards Z or where a forge fast expand isn't the best idea, he's not the one I'd bet my money on.
|
doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On February 25 2009 21:27 Mooncat wrote:
But I think when it comes to maps that are slightly favored towards Z or where a forge fast expand isn't the best idea, he's not the one I'd bet my money on.
I don't think there is any protoss that I would bet money on in a map where fe isn't a good idea. Unless the zerg was really really really bad.
|
On February 25 2009 21:37 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2009 21:27 Mooncat wrote:
But I think when it comes to maps that are slightly favored towards Z or where a forge fast expand isn't the best idea, he's not the one I'd bet my money on.
I don't think there is any protoss that I would bet money on in a map where fe isn't a good idea. Unless the zerg was really really really bad.
I actually think stork does better on those maps than "standard" protoss maps in PvZ.
|
Oh dang, they didn't send a Terran out..
|
doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On February 25 2009 21:39 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2009 21:37 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On February 25 2009 21:27 Mooncat wrote:
But I think when it comes to maps that are slightly favored towards Z or where a forge fast expand isn't the best idea, he's not the one I'd bet my money on.
I don't think there is any protoss that I would bet money on in a map where fe isn't a good idea. Unless the zerg was really really really bad. I actually think stork does better on those maps than "standard" protoss maps in PvZ.
I don't think i'd bet money on storks pvz period though :D
|
i just watched the game against iris and it was a tough loss. maybe i missed something but that minefield that lost him the game was kind of unlucky - it was between his natural and his push break, correct?
This was clever play by Iris. He knew that Bisu had alot of forces down to the south to defend his third expo so ofcourse these forces would be quickly moved north to defend against Iris's attack on Bisu's natural. Bisu just prior to this moved down and cleared the mine field in this area with goon obs but as soon as the goons departed Iris replanted the field (on mass) the consequence being Bisu rushing his goons into an area he thought was already cleared of mines and suffering for it.
This is something Iris seems to be doing alot recently, quickly setting up a mine field in a clever spot then attacking in a position which forces defending units to move over the mine field in order to defend. He did it a few times in the game against MuJuk too on one occasion he tried to do it but MuJuK had an obs so no damage was done but Iris pulled back without loosing any units. This is what good players create opportunities for your opponent to make errors whilst avoiding mistakes youself. Its good to see Iris pick up his form particularly because he used to be so good against Protoss, a true master of the vulture but he was slumping for a while there.
|
On February 25 2009 18:50 Jumbalumba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2009 18:15 IrrasO wrote:On February 25 2009 18:11 raga4ka wrote:On February 25 2009 18:06 GinNtoniC wrote:
This was one of the dumbest threads I've read through and through (yeah, from page 1 to 103)
People talking about "WOW I bet Bisu is happy now that he has highest ELO ever", as if anyone outside of TL knows what the hell ELO is.
Calling Iris a fucking bad choice to send out, despite him being solid as hell in WL this season.
Cluttering up entire Live Reports discussing whether Flash or Bisu is the most Bonjwaist player EVAH and more random stupid shit.
Whatever happened to civilized live reports and clean threads? Mbleh! This 104 pages and i couldn't even find the life reports to find out whats happent ...And why are there so many pages in the first place ? this is why... Which progamer has the most annoying fanbase?? : Bisu (1562) 28%firebathero (1152) 21% Savior (922) 16% Boxer (636) 11% Flash (281) 5% Jaedong (278) 5% Stork (234) 4% Other (say who) (227) 4% Reach (198) 4% Nada (122) 2% You know, I think that poll more accurately reflects the question "which progamer do you portray the most anti-fanboyism towards".
No, I'm actually pretty convinced that poll result is correct. I'm ashamed every day of being a fan of Bisu, and that itself sickens me.
|
Korea (South)3086 Posts
On February 25 2009 18:13 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2009 18:11 raga4ka wrote:On February 25 2009 18:06 GinNtoniC wrote:
This was one of the dumbest threads I've read through and through (yeah, from page 1 to 103)
People talking about "WOW I bet Bisu is happy now that he has highest ELO ever", as if anyone outside of TL knows what the hell ELO is.
Calling Iris a fucking bad choice to send out, despite him being solid as hell in WL this season.
Cluttering up entire Live Reports discussing whether Flash or Bisu is the most Bonjwaist player EVAH and more random stupid shit.
Whatever happened to civilized live reports and clean threads? Mbleh! This 104 pages and i couldn't even find the life reports to find out whats happent ...And why are there so many pages in the first place ? when you have teams with bisu, savior, boxer, and "kwanrolled," page 104 happens
I couldn't even tell wtf was going on. One of the worst LR's I've ever seen. 90% of the people were probably not even watching... -_-;;
|
Kwanro =]
I think he's starting to get back in form, and I love it.
|
On February 25 2009 18:52 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Good to see disciple coming in a giving a good/fair summary of the entire event. Bisu didn't allkill but then agian, it seems rare for a player to pull off more than one of those - and CJ made a good call by putting Iris on a map that suited his style. I don't think CJ beating SKT is a rare event though, they are a dominant team at the moment and they deserve every win they're getting. Beyond that though, SKT fell apart - and this should really be an issue of concern for an SKT fan (honestly, these other pointless screaming moments don't really interest me, so whatever) Right now SKT seems a little toothles unless Bisu is firing up and that's never good - allkills or not.
Whatever you think of his fanbase, Bisu's a great player - it would be a shame to see another good player fall below his own standard in leagues due to overwork. But meh, I guess I care about the actual games.
lolololololololll
|
9070 Posts
whats your problem with that, great one
|
|
|
On February 26 2009 00:18 disciple wrote:
whats your problem with that, great one
nothing
I just dont understand how you get that many words out when you're so busy fellating KTY
hahahaha
|
On February 26 2009 00:24 koreasilver wrote:
Bisu lost to Iris?
What.
+ Show Spoiler +And I'd give up forever to touch you Cause I know that you feel me somehow You're the closest to heaven that I'll ever be And I don't want to go home right now And all I can taste is this moment And all I can breathe is your life Cause sooner or later it's over I just don't want to miss you tonight And I don't want the world to see me Cause I don't think that they'd understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know who I am And you can't fight the tears that ain't coming Or the moment of truth in your lies When everything seems like the movies Yeah you bleed just to know your alive And I don't want the world to see me Cause I don't think that they'd understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know who I am Chorus I don't want the world to see me Cause I don't think that they'd understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am
|
9070 Posts
Oh sweetheart, thats so kind. At least you stopped the stupid 1a2a3a ez joke and all the bitching about toss imbalance
|
That's just fucking nuts. I need to see this Iris game.
|
On February 26 2009 00:56 disciple wrote:
Oh sweetheart, thats so kind. At least you stopped the stupid 1a2a3a ez joke and all the bitching about toss imbalance
hey I'm a bisu fan now, just look at my sig.
And I've come to appreciate 1a2a3a as a valid protoss skill.
Sure its not difficult, but who says skills have to be difficult?
|
On February 26 2009 00:53 Nylan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +And I'd give up forever to touch you Cause I know that you feel me somehow You're the closest to heaven that I'll ever be And I don't want to go home right now And all I can taste is this moment And all I can breathe is your life Cause sooner or later it's over I just don't want to miss you tonight And I don't want the world to see me Cause I don't think that they'd understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know who I am And you can't fight the tears that ain't coming Or the moment of truth in your lies When everything seems like the movies Yeah you bleed just to know your alive And I don't want the world to see me Cause I don't think that they'd understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know who I am Chorus I don't want the world to see me Cause I don't think that they'd understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am
I see what you did there.
And I like it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://sc2gg.com/images/writers/players/iris.jpg)
