On December 23 2008 22:24 AttackZerg wrote: Did somebody really just say the other protosses are as good at pvz as bisu ?
Welcome to 2008 where people believe the dumbest shit.
Bisu is by far the best PvZ player of all time, every mechanic and harrass is unique. The most effective builds and the best timming. One could argue that janbi has better storms, or free has better aggression, but .... seriously get real.
Yeah, I don't think any other Protoss gets even close. Bisu's harrassing and drop style is so effective, and he's so intelligent. For example that 4 zealot drop, which he likes doing quite often. Really, Bisu's PvZ is the only one that makes you feel like it's something special. Free's and Jangbi's and such feel so standard and generic to me.
On December 23 2008 22:31 miseiler wrote: Bisu might have the best PvZ overall, but Jaedong is the only zerg right now. Free's aggressive style is better suited to beating Jaedong.
On December 23 2008 22:31 miseiler wrote: Bisu might have the best PvZ overall, but Jaedong is the only zerg right now. Free's aggressive style is better suited to beating Jaedong.
In Jaedong's recent ZvP losses it seems to be the timing push which gets him. Both Stork and Tempest(neither or which are PvZ masters) killed him with it. In general, Jaedong has trouble when people play non-standard, and can be rattled.
So in that sense, I agree that Bisu's PvZ style doesn't exploit Jaedong's weakness as much as Free or even perhaps Kal or Jangbi. Because Jeadong showed that he can keep up with Bisu's harassment and multi-tasking.
That said, Jaedong is going far in the starleagues until he meets a good TvZ player. Because his ZvT is certainly not close to being dominant.
On December 23 2008 22:31 miseiler wrote: Bisu might have the best PvZ overall, but Jaedong is the only zerg right now. Free's aggressive style is better suited to beating Jaedong.
I've said this before and I still stand by the claim that Free's pvz is overrated as shit. His wins vs JD were flukes and if JD played as well as he did today against bisu he would surely have beat free. Also bisu being passive? Bisu's main problem that game was probably being too aggressive with his shuttle and delaying his third. JD was just prepared for his shuttle play, and had his hydralisks planted in the right spots. Bisu is still the greatest pvzer of all time and to suggest that the result would've been different if Free were in bisu's place is just stupid.
Well bisu did a few mistakes and was pretty well countered by JD placement of hydras. LIke when he lost the first shuttle if he would have sent the zeals maybe the reaver would have survived . Then at the battle where JD sniped the templars with the mutas he was 2 far away from his 2 reavers with the army to get their support in the battle. Little mistakes but eh it happens to everyone :D
On December 23 2008 22:31 miseiler wrote: Bisu might have the best PvZ overall, but Jaedong is the only zerg right now. Free's aggressive style is better suited to beating Jaedong.
In Jaedong's recent ZvP losses it seems to be the timing push which gets him. Both Stork and Tempest(neither or which are PvZ masters) killed him with it. In general, Jaedong has trouble when people play non-standard, and can be rattled.
So in that sense, I agree that Bisu's PvZ style doesn't exploit Jaedong's weakness as much as Free or even perhaps Kal or Jangbi. Because Jeadong showed that he can keep up with Bisu's harassment and multi-tasking.
That said, Jaedong is going far in the starleagues until he meets a good TvZ player. Because his ZvT is certainly not close to being dominant.
Jaedong lost to FBH and Sea... Sea is an amazing TvZr and FBH, is well FBH is really good too
On December 24 2008 01:20 ambit!ous1 wrote: bah, oh well bisu cant win all the freakin time...
gj JD!
yeah. i'm still a little miffed, though i'm glad for jaedong
this actually reminds me a lot of the bisu vs. jaedong andromeda game, where jaedong was dominant, bisu was slumping, and the two put on an awesome match, with the underdog barely eeking out a victory
Jaedong you are the hope and pride of every zerg out there, even in the darkest of times you give us hope with a relentless relentless practice schedule
EPT
