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Thats right folks, ACE has won! Really really, these games are not to be missed!
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Not a clue as to why Mumyung is sent out instead of Oversky, but I am looking forward to Casy v Kwanro. Hope this game isn't a bummer like Casy's last TvZ.
To be blunt, MuMyung winning is just wrong. Just plain wrong, even if he wins you are still wrong.
We are all born with a spark in our souls. A spark of madness. And it's every man's job to flame that spark. -The mindless rambling's of BestGod's grandfather.
MuMyung will take notice of his spark, and he will blossom into a beautiful caterpillar of seduction.
To be blunt, MuMyung winning is just wrong. Just plain wrong, even if he wins you are still wrong.
We are all born with a spark in our souls. A spark of madness. And it's every man's job to flame that spark. -The mindless rambling's of BestGod's grandfather.
MuMyung will take notice of his spark, and he will blossom into a beautiful caterpillar of seduction.
To be blunt, MuMyung winning is just wrong. Just plain wrong, even if he wins you are still wrong.
We are all born with a spark in our souls. A spark of madness. And it's every man's job to flame that spark. -The mindless rambling's of BestGod's grandfather.
MuMyung will take notice of his spark, and he will blossom into a beautiful caterpillar of seduction.
On December 13 2008 14:02 YEAHHHH BOIIII wrote: Movie should retire right now and keep that 100% win ratio now and forever. He'd be able to brag about it and technically be correct
he only played 4 games
i rather be at a 60% win rate and have won an osl or msl - that is something to brag about.
Reach's prove is harassing the wall of Iris but is chased away by another SCV. Its just going around harassing SCV's here and there in the mineral line.
Actually, I think it is a DT Drop but it could be a 4 gate DT drop because the robo finished just as the first 2 dts came out. Reach putting pylons to wall the expo @ 10
Man, the shuttle barely lived. One more hit and it would've died and for some reason his shuttle eas really late. Dt killing the supply depotsat the wall. 2 of them dead and vultures come and mine a lot of stuff and shuttle dies to turret and dt is dropped and killed by a mind. Reach adding 2 more gateways.
Reach does an amazing attack against 6-8 tanks with 10 goons + 3 zeals and takes out a lot more then I thought possilbe. Reach with about 12 goons and about 15 speedzeals and Iris is ste up with tanks and mines outside the 10' oclock expo taking out the pylons.
Reach is attacking now. Running zealots through mines and trying his best but he is pushed back. The camera pans to his face and he doesn't look happy. He loses all his probes at his third and loses the nexs too.
Iris expoing at 9. Reach moces in to take it out but Iris brings in his army and Reach backs up. iris also has his mineral only and a pretty decent army.
On December 13 2008 14:25 TheTyranid wrote: Qwertify stfu, how dare you question the manliness of Reach!
Show some respect toward old school legends that paved the progaming road, you CJ fanboy
i know i know, its not right, i know all ace players would be way more competitive if they got the time to practice and i got nothing against Reach - I like all ACE players
[but all the man-love for Reach here is making me feel a bit queasy. + muscle pic - and the constant caps over enthusiasm ]
On December 13 2008 14:25 TheTyranid wrote: Qwertify stfu, how dare you question the manliness of Reach!
Show some respect toward old school legends that paved the progaming road, you CJ fanboy
i know i know, its not right, i know all ace players would be way more competitive if they got the time to practice and i got nothing against Reach - I like all ACE players
[but all the man-love for Reach here is making me feel a bit queasy. + muscle pic - and the constant caps over enthusiasm ]
On December 13 2008 14:25 TheTyranid wrote: Qwertify stfu, how dare you question the manliness of Reach!
Show some respect toward old school legends that paved the progaming road, you CJ fanboy
i know i know, its not right, i know all ace players would be way more competitive if they got the time to practice and i got nothing against Reach - I like all ACE players
[but all the man-love for Reach here is making me feel a bit queasy. + muscle pic - and the constant caps over enthusiasm ]
Commentators have selected the main ramp probably talking bout how casy should have done am mnm runby into the Z main. Something that Casy is known for doing.
Kwanro has been losing a lot of lings sloppily as they carelessly ran in to the mnm ball. He's lost at least a dozen lings like that throughout the game.
Casy is brilliant. His dozen of rines in the middle is Keeping Kwanro on his toes and forces toe mutas to be defensive. Kwanor has'nt even approached the T base with his muta.
First off Casy threatened the mutalisks with his agressive first mnm group roaming the middle of the map. Then he left sufficient defences back home to defend a mutaling counter. He added 6 raxes FBH style to have a huge huge mid game push. His control and especially army movement was good. His mnm split wasn't as sexy as I'd expect for he did lose a lot of mnm in the first attack to 6 lurks (he got overconfident there overestimating his mnm split). However, casy did a good job retreating and reinforcing his first push thus ensuring endless pressure. He never got Flanked, he escaped swarms prefectly picking off lurkers. And when Kwanro's unit count go thin, he went in for the kill adding a flavour of multitasking beauty with a simultaneous drop at the main ensuring victory.
On December 13 2008 14:58 TheTyranid wrote: That TvZ was so brilliant. It was beautiful.
First off Casy threatened the mutalisks with his agressive first mnm group roaming the middle of the map. Then he left sufficient defences back home to defend a mutaling counter. He added 6 raxes FBH style to have a huge huge mid game push. His control and especially army movement was good. His mnm split wasn't as sexy as I'd expect for he did lose a lot of mnm in the first attack to 6 lurks (he got overconfident there overestimating his mnm split). However, casy did a good job retreating and reinforcing his first push thus ensuring endless pressure. He never got Flanked, he escaped swarms prefectly picking off lurkers. And when Kwanro's unit count go thin, he went in for the kill adding a flavour of multitasking beauty with a simultaneous drop at the main ensuring victory.
- TheTyranid. A Casy fan forever
I actually thought the most beautiful move was the initial medic moveout to force sunken lines at both natural and expansion, delaying mutalisks by 15-20 seconds which completely eliminated the timing window Kwanro had to do ANY damage [while also preventing Kwanro from saturating his third until well into the game]
God that game was great. It's one of those reasons we watch SC.
Yep Casy forced 4 sunkens for free, which I also thought was pretty damn great. Those mutas literally did NO damage, Casy was so well prepared. He was just so threatening to Kwanro the entire game, this type of aggression is very very nice to watch.
On December 13 2008 14:58 TheTyranid wrote: That TvZ was so brilliant. It was beautiful.
First off Casy threatened the mutalisks with his agressive first mnm group roaming the middle of the map. Then he left sufficient defences back home to defend a mutaling counter. He added 6 raxes FBH style to have a huge huge mid game push. His control and especially army movement was good. His mnm split wasn't as sexy as I'd expect for he did lose a lot of mnm in the first attack to 6 lurks (he got overconfident there overestimating his mnm split). However, casy did a good job retreating and reinforcing his first push thus ensuring endless pressure. He never got Flanked, he escaped swarms prefectly picking off lurkers. And when Kwanro's unit count go thin, he went in for the kill adding a flavour of multitasking beauty with a simultaneous drop at the main ensuring victory.
- TheTyranid. A Casy fan forever
I actually thought the most beautiful move was the initial medic moveout to force sunken lines at both natural and expansion, delaying mutalisks by 15-20 seconds which completely eliminated the timing window Kwanro had to do ANY damage [while also preventing Kwanro from saturating his third until well into the game]
GODDAMN so simple but so effective.
That is true, he had to throw up double the amount of sunkens.
It's just amazing how Kwanro's patented mutalisks did NO damage.
On December 13 2008 14:58 TheTyranid wrote: That TvZ was so brilliant. It was beautiful.
First off Casy threatened the mutalisks with his agressive first mnm group roaming the middle of the map. Then he left sufficient defences back home to defend a mutaling counter. He added 6 raxes FBH style to have a huge huge mid game push. His control and especially army movement was good. His mnm split wasn't as sexy as I'd expect for he did lose a lot of mnm in the first attack to 6 lurks (he got overconfident there overestimating his mnm split). However, casy did a good job retreating and reinforcing his first push thus ensuring endless pressure. He never got Flanked, he escaped swarms prefectly picking off lurkers. And when Kwanro's unit count go thin, he went in for the kill adding a flavour of multitasking beauty with a simultaneous drop at the main ensuring victory.
- TheTyranid. A Casy fan forever
I actually thought the most beautiful move was the initial medic moveout to force sunken lines at both natural and expansion, delaying mutalisks by 15-20 seconds which completely eliminated the timing window Kwanro had to do ANY damage [while also preventing Kwanro from saturating his third until well into the game]
GODDAMN so simple but so effective.
That is true, he had to throw up double the amount of sunkens.
It's just amazing how Kwanro's patented mutalisks did NO damage.
Well I think that the mutas were delayed but the fact that he was able to keep Casey's attack at bay until he got Swarm, well I can only say that Kwan def did a good job with his mutas and lurkers in that respect.
If Much loses this game his new nickname will be the Fossil Protoss...
Game is progressing into "Standard play." 3rd base is going up for Mumyung, while Much looks to pressure with zlots. Scourge around the map for Mumyung.
What? People were saying that it was impossible to dodge scourge with corsairs but it looks like Much just did it. His corsair actually increased the distance between it and the scourge by executing a turn.
Tons of scourge out for mummy now. Much is going reaver sair.
Holy shit!!! Mumyung just broke Much's nat with TONS of hydras. I don't think much can come back from this...HOLY SHIT!!! Can ACE win this?? CAn Mumyung win ??? Holy fuck Much, he really doesnt want to GG. Just lost his entire main and isn't quitting.
Much is still alive and is goign to cannon whore at his 3'rd and 4'th bases ( his remainign ones). However his nat and main are completely dead and there is no way Mumy can lose with such an advantage.
how is this happening lol. this is a conspiracy to get savior for ace >___>
and i just started watching again on yy. way better. omg how is this happening tho lol..... i come back to see a buncha hydras destroying much's main wtf ><
On December 13 2008 15:34 Qwertify wrote: I hope its sAviOr and Casy in the ace: that way sAviOr can show Kwanro how its done.
Well Kwanro did absolutely nothing with his lair units, which should have won him the game easily (13 mutas + 12 lings vs 15 marines with 0 energy medics?). He then proceeded to rush to making defiler before consume was finished, so he was too contained by the time he had swarms. I think sAviOr's taught him well.
Replay shows that Much made a HUGE MISTAKE right before the game ending attack.
Much took 4 zealots in a shuttle and 2 archons in a shuttle away from his nat defense, right before Mumyung attacked. On top of that the archon shuttle got sniped. What was Much thinking?
Yea right theyd send Iris most likely because he can deal with Casy, Anytime, Boxer, Reach, Oversky and Myumung. Ace I dunno Casy, is always risky to send out unless your positive they wont send out someone like Much, or any protoss I suppose.
Meh Muchs PvZ seems to fail him quite a bit. When I think of much's PvZ I remember him vs Jaedong on hwarangdo where he maelstorms all of jaedongs mutas and doesnt have like storm ready, and like no archons that or they cant reach.
wow if anytime can somehow bring back his former play, this match could be really easily and surprisingly lost wtf ;o PLEASE WIN MOVIE AND GO TO ACE ><
On December 13 2008 15:40 Rostam wrote: I think it's great that Much is nice enough to let MuMyung take a proeleague game off him. Just shows what a cool guy he is!
I just wish he wouldn't do it while on MY fantasy proleague team!
Anytime's pressure is successful and he is able to finish his nexus practically bfore Movie's starts. Movie with a reaver out now, probably waiting for shuttle.
Movie with a shuttle out now, but anytime has a pylon picket line all around the high ground to see those shuttles coming, he tries to trick the shuttle in coming in he it backs of with some dmg.
On December 13 2008 16:02 NahLGaE wrote: wow i am just so incredibly sad. how did it not even go to ace. cj should hang their heads in shame. in shame.
I like movie's strat: be in situations where you have to continue attacking to win, then retreat. Do this 2 times when you have the advantage. Also, place units in middle of the map at all times, so they can't be defending the drop, and can't be countering. Brilliant!
although i did not predict that outcome correctly, i did predict that this matchup would be epic. before this game was played. before it was announced. before proleague was created. before the teams were formed and sponsored. before starcraft. before blizzard. before my life. before america. before the discovery of north america. before naval navagation. before the world was formed. before the universe was created. before it all, i was right.
On December 13 2008 16:03 Qwertify wrote: 150 canon
saves 20 probes worth 1000 min
100 shield battery
Saved Anytime's ass.
yeah
i still don't get why he left his probes open always, or why didn't he try to do some reaver harass himself after he lost so many probes, and after he won that fight at the natural - yeah he got beat back but he killed some probes and put things into balance
CJ they need to put savior back on the lineup. they're losing anyway so even if savior lose it'll be no difference. at least it gives savior some practice. I'll stick with CJ until savior is down and out. 09 T.T
Iris is one of the last of the old guard...protoss still fear his dreaded 2 fact push, well maybe not kal in the last msl...but generally they do. Much is good...not so much in pvz, kwanro..I dare someone to bunker rush him. Xellos...well hes kinda burnt out except in TvT I suppose. Effort and Savior are solid. Movie will see better days. CJ also has Memory and maybe some others, theyre in good shape, especially once 2009 comes and Saviors powers return. And hey atleast they didnt get 3-0'd like estro did.
On December 13 2008 16:12 mog87 wrote: Iris is one of the last of the old guard...protoss still fear his dreaded 2 fact push, well maybe not kal in the last msl...but generally they do. Much is good...not so much in pvz, kwanro..I dare someone to bunker rush him. Xellos...well hes kinda burnt out except in TvT I suppose. Effort and Savior are solid. Movie will see better days. CJ also has Memory and maybe some others, theyre in good shape, especially once 2009 comes and Saviors powers return. And hey atleast they didnt get 3-0'd like estro did.
thanks mog, thats the kind of CJ spirit we need right now after our loss
doesn't matter, a fan just means you support the team whether they are on top of the world or the bottom. Cheer up and have faith. We'll have our day again.
goddamn the last two days have been utterly depressing to watch unfold as a CJ fan. Pulling an oh-fer in the Offlines and then turning around and losing to ACE is quite the bummer.
No mistake, I'm happy for ACE, but why did it have to be CJ??? WHYYY
On December 13 2008 16:33 []p4NDemik[] wrote: goddamn the last two days have been utterly depressing to watch unfold as a CJ fan. Pulling an oh-fer in the Offlines and then turning around and losing to ACE is quite the bummer.
No mistake, I'm happy for ACE, but why did it have to be CJ??? WHYYY
On December 13 2008 16:31 Avidkeystamper wrote: Two of the most popular teams on TL...and only 24 pages? Fo' shame. jk
If the games were longer, there would be more pages. The MBC-CJ thread had over 50 pages. And the CJ-KHAN thread had even more (this match of course included the infamous Stork vs GGPlay which lasted over 90 minutes)
I dunno what you CJ fans are all sad about, the lineups were actually pretty favorable for ACE. I think if Much played Anytime and Movie vs MuMyung I can see CJ winning but what can you do
all you fake cj fans jumping ship alrdy ;o FOR SHAME.
cj's lineup is still pretty good, i think kwanro is still a great zerg, effort is great will be even better with time, iris is making a comeback, much will hopefully get back to his winning ways and stop being an inconsistent bitch, and of course savior will destroy everyone in 2009 okay?
even if they lost to freaking ace, even if they fell to the bottom i'd still support cj for life!!! ;d
On December 13 2008 16:03 SilverskY wrote: My liquibet double failed tonight. But holy shit, what a day for ACE. Mumyung is just full of surprises nowadays isn't he?
mine too, hahahaha. Voted for STX since they're at top, voted for CJ but forgot to check lineups..haha
So freaking happy that Anytime got to close this series! He has looked so frustrated in the past few rounds, like he's good enough, but hasn't had the time to adjust his play and timing to the new maps. He's looked... restrained...
again, so freaking happy he got to seal the deal for ACE this time!
Movie vs Anytime and Casy vs Kwanro were in Ace's favor imo. Mumyung is the unsung hero clutching such a key win over grandpa Much. Wee~ I never felt better about Much losing.
On December 14 2008 08:24 SuperJongMan wrote: Movie vs Anytime and Casy vs Kwanro were in Ace's favor imo. Mumyung is the unsung hero clutching such a key win over grandpa Much. Wee~ I never felt better about Much losing.
I'm becoming a Mumyung fan it's quite sad, really.
On December 14 2008 09:34 Wasabi wrote: Movie vs Anytime was a nailbiter. Harass was sloppy though.
I hope they keep up, but from what I can see only Casy and Anytime are showing sharp performances. Give them more practice time plz.
OVERSKY.
I still see Oversky as that all or nothing kind of player. Are there any matches of him winning drawn out macro battles?
i dont think there is, but i also don't see how that is a problem. granted, i hate cheese in general, but it's ACE for crying out loud. they need to get a win somewhere somehow --
Mumyung did like qualify for like a Billion OSLs. He was kinda fun to watch. Not suprising he can win games. I dunno hes definately a LOT better at SC than people give him credit for. I think he gets nervous or something. I think hes the one that ended iloveoovs rediculous 17 game streak against zerg..
ChRh was on CJ. I thiiiiink Rage was on CJ as well? CJ or Samsung (Eros~TT and Eros~Rage are sort of contemporary, and TT is in Samsung.. so I guess Rage was CJ).
ChRh was long ago in Greatest Ones team with Nal_rA, XellOs and fOru if I am not mistaken then he went to Samsung KHAN for some time, but that should be the time after he was in Canada for some time
ChRh had some hand injuries as far as I remember so I don't think he was doing fine before joining into Ace team although I obsed him some games on Into The Darkness against stork before he was known and he won him, but stork made such an impression to me even back those days
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