EPT[PL] STX vs Lecaf - Page 19
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economist_
Vietnam719 Posts
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Vietnam719 Posts
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:38 AttackZerg wrote: I just realized kal trains pvz against julyzerg ..... lol no wonder he is good against jaedong  .I think the underlying reason was like 20 lurkers dying after only shooting 1 round of spines...and that was maybe like 7 of them. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:40 Disarray wrote: he can't he was playing zerg. now, i hate to start some sort of imbalance crying, but it just doesn't make sense to me. whats zergs equivilent of storm/reaver/archon ? it just seems sooo invincible once its out and zerg has to spend 2-3x the resources on shittier caliber units to defeat it. and im tired of hearing "the zerg shouldn't let them get to that point in the game" cause thats a cop out, not an answer. It's hard on Andromeda, what Jaedong should've on done was to exploit the Protoss army's lack of mobility and done repeated harass with drops on the main. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:38 onihunter wrote: JD fans have no right to insult kal the great anymore, because your hero just bent over and took it long and hard.wtf, Jaedong, stop losing to mediocre tosses :/ Kal, stop toying with mediocre zergs.  | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:41 Dazed_Spy wrote: JD fans have no right to insult kal the great anymore, because your hero just bent over and took it long and hard. Kal, stop toying with mediocre zergs. Wtf Flash, stop losing to people like Tester, seriously. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:40 Disarray wrote: he can't he was playing zerg. now, i hate to start some sort of imbalance crying, but it just doesn't make sense to me. whats zergs equivilent of storm/reaver/archon ? it just seems sooo invincible once its out and zerg has to spend 2-3x the resources on shittier caliber units to defeat it. and im tired of hearing "the zerg shouldn't let them get to that point in the game" cause thats a cop out, not an answer. about 2 years ago, before bisu, the answer was: ultra/ling is imba. Now, I'm not so sure. You need to balance units and resources so that you can be a step ahead. Jaedong got a huge advantage that game by taking out the first two reavers, then threw away the advantage that he gained by building 1.5 control of lurkers, and getting them taken out by about 2 controls of goons | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:42 Avidkeystamper wrote: Yeah, considering flash has the highest elo peak at the moment, his answer I have to guess is "k". Wtf Flash, stop losing to people like Tester, seriously. On November 15 2008 16:40 Disarray wrote: Yes it is an answer. A great pvz a few years ago would have a 52% win ratio. Zerg were imbalanced, and still are. Protoss get two bases and have to hide away in their base while zerg can take the map, switch techs almost immediately, doom drop freely...and did I mention crack lings? Yeah, if a protoss gets on 4- 5 gas with pure archons late hes really strong. Sur-fuckin-prise. If you sit there and let ANY race pump out their best troops with great resources they become unstoppable.he can't he was playing zerg. now, i hate to start some sort of imbalance crying, but it just doesn't make sense to me. whats zergs equivilent of storm/reaver/archon ? it just seems sooo invincible once its out and zerg has to spend 2-3x the resources on shittier caliber units to defeat it. and im tired of hearing "the zerg shouldn't let them get to that point in the game" cause thats a cop out, not an answer. Starcraft is about abusing your races' strengths, and minimizing your races' weaknesses. If a protoss gets to late game, has numerous reavers and archons, the zerg failed miserably. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:40 Disarray wrote: he can't he was playing zerg. now, i hate to start some sort of imbalance crying, but it just doesn't make sense to me. whats zergs equivilent of storm/reaver/archon ? it just seems sooo invincible once its out and zerg has to spend 2-3x the resources on shittier caliber units to defeat it. and im tired of hearing "the zerg shouldn't let them get to that point in the game" cause thats a cop out, not an answer. jaedong could have done anything to win but to spend shitload of resources on 24 lurkers and suicide them? mass ling hydra and a couple lurks works. faster hive into cracklings works. dont cry, his 25 mineral/75 gas scourages took down shuttle+ 2 reavers. in terms of indvidual unit strength, of course protoss is better, but that's not how zerg is played. zerg = cheap masses with a lot of expos. get it? | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3805 Posts
But before that 24 Lurker suicide pact, Kal was being schooled | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:40 Disarray wrote: he can't he was playing zerg. now, i hate to start some sort of imbalance crying, but it just doesn't make sense to me. whats zergs equivilent of storm/reaver/archon ? it just seems sooo invincible once its out and zerg has to spend 2-3x the resources on shittier caliber units to defeat it. and im tired of hearing "the zerg shouldn't let them get to that point in the game" cause thats a cop out, not an answer. The scenario this game was a lot different taht in the Free game. Kal did not macro off 5 gas forever. Jaedong would have won if he didn't suicide all those lurks. Don't complain man, thats Protoss's job.  | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:43 Dazed_Spy wrote: Yeah, considering flash has the highest elo peak at the moment, his answer I have to guess is "k". StarCraft is so volatile, posting stuff like this will only bite you in the end. If they rematched I would vote for Jaedong and I'm sure a large majority would too. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:41 Avidkeystamper wrote: It's hard on Andromeda, what Jaedong should've on done was to exploit the Protoss army's lack of mobility and done repeated harass with drops on the main. Zerg>>>>Protoss on Andromeda. Jaedong ACTUALLY lost after taking down a shuttle/2 reavers and fucking up Kal's entire timing and strategy. This is how much Jaedong sucked in that game. | ||
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MyCrow
Korea (South)248 Posts
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
I always thought Andromeda lends itself to 'your contain means nothing' type of games. Lurker suicide or not, Jaedong had no business losing that. Zerg have a huge advantage early due to 3hatching at 3 mineral patches with 1 choke, but the map also forces the Zerg to have a window where they more or less have to hydra break or it's over. JD's was late, and he lost. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:44 OneOther wrote: Zerg>>>>Protoss on Andromeda. Jaedong ACTUALLY lost after taking down a shuttle/2 reavers and fucking up Kal's entire timing and strategy. This is how much Jaedong sucked in that game. Look at the actual game list instead of the stats. There were mostly good ZvPs beating up on nooby protoss vZ. Andromeda has the min only and close 3rd gas. And island maps, since drop is a natural tech progression for protoss. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:44 Avidkeystamper wrote: Flash is playing like a god again. Jaedong is losing to Frozean, Kal, and fuckin roro. Don't even try it. StarCraft is so volatile, posting stuff like this will only bite you in the end. If they rematched I would vote for Jaedong and I'm sure a large majority would too. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:41 Dazed_Spy wrote: JD fans have no right to insult kal the great anymore, because your hero just bent over and took it long and hard. Kal, stop toying with mediocre zergs. I might be going out on a limb here, but I think a best of 5 Final is both more important and more telling than a PL ace match. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 15 2008 16:47 Avidkeystamper wrote: Look at the actual game list instead of the stats. There were mostly good ZvPs beating up on nooby protoss vZ. Andromeda has the min only and close 3rd gas. And island maps, since drop is a natural tech progression for protoss. I am not looking at the game list, Andromeda has ALWAYS been a Zerg map. | ||
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