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United States10774 Posts
On October 31 2008 10:56 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2008 09:21 OneOther wrote:
The man has OSL finals match coming up in a couple days. come on now.
Come on now. That is a terrible excuse for getting eliminated in the MSL. It's not even like it's a group stage game. The last MU he practiced his ass off in was PvP.
Can you not see how a upcoming OSL finals match a couple days later would affect his PvP? Against a high caliber player like Kal? I don't care what the last matchup he practiced was for...Stork most likely has been focusing on that PvT. To add on to that, BeSt and Kal have completely different styles. It's not like he shouldn't need to practice as much vs Kal because he practiced his ass off for BeSt. That makes no sense, especially in a BO5 that requires heavy preparation for the mental game, strategies, and so much more.
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THANK YOU KAL!!
You made my day. Maybe hotbid helped out too, I don't know. But I for sure that hotbids mission isn't finished yet.
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On October 31 2008 12:17 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2008 10:56 SuperJongMan wrote:On October 31 2008 09:21 OneOther wrote:
The man has OSL finals match coming up in a couple days. come on now.
Come on now. That is a terrible excuse for getting eliminated in the MSL. It's not even like it's a group stage game. The last MU he practiced his ass off in was PvP. Can you not see how a upcoming OSL finals match a couple days later would affect his PvP? Against a high caliber player like Kal? I don't care what the last matchup he practiced was for...Stork most likely has been focusing on that PvT. To add on to that, BeSt and Kal have completely different styles. It's not like he shouldn't need to practice as much vs Kal because he practiced his ass off for BeSt. That makes no sense, especially in a BO5 that requires heavy preparation for the mental game, strategies, and so much more. I'd agree. Stork was not...fully prepared, nor was he however, unprepared. Kal is a formidable opponent with a very unique style, so you can not just play against Best [who is more of a generic macro toss, just much much better] and apply the same techniques to him. Nonetheless, he did play below expectations. Simply in macro, game sense, army control etc. But, like FORGG, Flash, etc before him, hes obviously burnt out from practicing for multiple arrangements. An acceptable defeat, really.
Coming from a guy who hates stork btw.
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On October 31 2008 12:30 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I'd agree. Stork was not...fully prepared, nor was he however, unprepared. Kal is a formidable opponent with a very unique style, so you can not just play against Best [who is more of a generic macro toss, just much much better] and apply the same techniques to him. Nonetheless, he did play below expectations. Simply in macro, game sense, army control etc. But, like FORGG, Flash, etc before him, hes obviously burnt out from practicing for multiple arrangements. An acceptable defeat, really.
Coming from a guy who hates stork btw.
Definitely, Stork did an interview after his series with BeSt saying how he studied each and every build BeSt did on each map especially Medusa which he did predicted BeSt's build and countered with a 4gate build and beat him. With the importance of the OSL, Stork obviously would rather spend more time studying Fantasy's builds rather than Kal's. Its tough for anyone to practice for 2 bo5 in the same week.
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Kal's apm is crazy. You see how he spams while moving units? gdaaamn
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People underestimate Kal.
But wtf did Stork do on both those Athena games...
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On October 31 2008 12:17 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2008 10:56 SuperJongMan wrote:On October 31 2008 09:21 OneOther wrote:
The man has OSL finals match coming up in a couple days. come on now.
Come on now. That is a terrible excuse for getting eliminated in the MSL. It's not even like it's a group stage game. The last MU he practiced his ass off in was PvP. Can you not see how a upcoming OSL finals match a couple days later would affect his PvP? Against a high caliber player like Kal? I don't care what the last matchup he practiced was for...Stork most likely has been focusing on that PvT. To add on to that, BeSt and Kal have completely different styles. It's not like he shouldn't need to practice as much vs Kal because he practiced his ass off for BeSt. That makes no sense, especially in a BO5 that requires heavy preparation for the mental game, strategies, and so much more.
i don't buy it, stork has been practicing the past month for pvp, against two guys better than kal.
however, if he didn't have osl he may would have won because he would have been able to develop strategies specifically against kal's habits. we don't know, though, and i seriously doubt it affected him in any other way.
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If stork plays like balls against fantasy too then we'll know if he a choker..
if he plays against fantasy like he did against best then we will know his lack of practice cost him the game against Kal.
only time will tell!
(please don't play like this tomorrow stork i will cry... no only because I like you but it would be a lame final to watch you get rolled again)
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United States10774 Posts
Wow. Stork practicing for PvP against BeSt/Bisu is completely different from a whole new another BEST OUT OF 5 series verses Kal. Even if he mainly focused on PvT for _three_ days, his PvP could get sloppy. Stork most likely concentrated on the series against Fantasy and analyzing him, while Kal had nothing better to do besides practice PvP and watch every single video of Stork. And it will cost Stork the match against players like Kal.
Not that it ended up being a lopsided match anyway. Stork barely lost, 2-3.
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i dunno, even thinking about it stork did have a few prepared builds against kal - he had to have practiced a little for the match.
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On October 31 2008 13:37 traced wrote:
i don't buy it, stork has been practicing the past month for pvp, against two guys better than kal.
Against two people who play relatively standard PvP compared to Kal. While Kal could tailor his practice 100% to Stork, Stork's practice for Best/Bisu was not 100% applicable to Kal, because of the major difference in his opponent's play style, and the map pool. Just look at his wins over Best on Medusa and Plasma. On Medusa he practiced 4gate goon specifically because all SKT Protosses went 2gate goon reaver. That practice isn't applicable on a different map or on a different opponent. His proxy build on Plasma, similarly, was map specific, since it wasn't possible for Best to mount an immediate counterattack, given the lurker eggs.
EDIT: My 2cents about Stork and Best.
Stork and Best play and practice their games very differently. Stork is absolutely fantastic at planning things out over a game, so he practices different builds for different games. He makes his practice very solid. Evidence of this can be seen in his well-planned-out games in the Stork vs. Best set. Stork's reactive, on-the-spot play, is not as impressive as his planning IMO. In sets where he doesn't have much time to practice, Stork reverts to his fairly standard play (e.g. good ol' proxy dt's into 2base carriers vs. ForGG). And against a player who plays unconventionally, like Kal, he might struggle a bit.
Best on the other hand, practices a fairly conventional game. His builds are rarely anything out of the ordinary, and unpressured, Best will play a fairly standard macro game. While his planning is fairly standard however, he has the ability to think quickly and pull something out on the spot to exploit his opponents' weaknesses. Watch Best vs. Luxury game 3 or Nada vs. Best in Ever 2008 OSL. Even though Best seems to be backed into a corner, he pulls out a surprise to salvage the game, such as ferrying out a zealot rush just out of sight of Luxury's zerglings, or destroying the assimilators to seal his own front door on Troy, buying time so that he can tech appropriately to beat a biomech push.
These two players have different strengths. Against a player of Stork's caliber, Best's tricks can't save him against Stork's flawless execution, because he just doesn't give a wide enough opening for Best to take advantage of. A player like Kal is completely different though. Stork's planning falters against his crazily unconventional play, but Best can take advantage of Kal's weaknesses in execution. Hence, we see Kal is historically 6:3 against Stork, but 0:2 against Best.
In my eyes, these two Protoss kings, Best and Stork are not different enough in skill to say that one is definitely superior to the other. They have different styles, and win different games because of them.
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i don't buy it, stork has been practicing the past month for pvp, against two guys better than kal.
noone is better then kal
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On October 31 2008 14:41 TheYango wrote:
In my eyes, these two Protoss kings, Best and Stork are not different enough in skill to say that one is definitely superior to the other. They have different styles, and win different games because of them.
Exactly, it's just like rock-paper-scissors.
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On October 31 2008 14:41 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2008 13:37 traced wrote:
i don't buy it, stork has been practicing the past month for pvp, against two guys better than kal. Against two people who play relatively standard PvP compared to Kal. While Kal could tailor his practice 100% to Stork, Stork's practice for Best/Bisu was not 100% applicable to Kal, because of the major difference in his opponent's play style, and the map pool. Just look at his wins over Best on Medusa and Plasma. On Medusa he practiced 4gate goon specifically because all SKT Protosses went 2gate goon reaver. That practice isn't applicable on a different map or on a different opponent. His proxy build on Plasma, similarly, was map specific, since it wasn't possible for Best to mount an immediate counterattack, given the lurker eggs. EDIT: My 2cents about Stork and Best. Stork and Best play and practice their games very differently. Stork is absolutely fantastic at planning things out over a game, so he practices different builds for different games. He makes his practice very solid. Evidence of this can be seen in his well-planned-out games in the Stork vs. Best set. Stork's reactive, on-the-spot play, is not as impressive as his planning IMO. In sets where he doesn't have much time to practice, Stork reverts to his fairly standard play (e.g. good ol' proxy dt's into 2base carriers vs. ForGG). And against a player who plays unconventionally, like Kal, he might struggle a bit. Best on the other hand, practices a fairly conventional game. His builds are rarely anything out of the ordinary, and unpressured, Best will play a fairly standard macro game. While his planning is fairly standard however, he has the ability to think quickly and pull something out on the spot to exploit his opponents' weaknesses. Watch Best vs. Luxury game 3 or Nada vs. Best in Ever 2008 OSL. Even though Best seems to be backed into a corner, he pulls out a surprise to salvage the game, such as ferrying out a zealot rush just out of sight of Luxury's zerglings, or destroying the assimilators to seal his own front door on Troy, buying time so that he can tech appropriately to beat a biomech push. These two players have different strengths. Against a player of Stork's caliber, Best's tricks can't save him against Stork's flawless execution, because he just doesn't give a wide enough opening for Best to take advantage of. A player like Kal is completely different though. Stork's planning falters against his crazily unconventional play, but Best can take advantage of Kal's weaknesses in execution. Hence, we see Kal is historically 6:3 against Stork, but 0:2 against Best. In my eyes, these two Protoss kings, Best and Stork are not different enough in skill to say that one is definitely superior to the other. They have different styles, and win different games because of them.
Bravo.
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People underestimate Kal.
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On October 31 2008 19:58 fanofbest wrote:
People underestimate Kal.
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On October 31 2008 19:58 fanofbest wrote:
People underestimate Kal.
I actually think most people overestimated Stork or just wanted his curse to end (like me). Therefore Kal did not get good chances to win by that many people  .
If Stork would have been as prepared as he was against Best, this probably would have been another story. But he wasn't.
Kal rocks .
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