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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 25 2008 06:19 GMT
#161
Hey guys, just wondering, does it look like sAviOr's back in form??
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
October 25 2008 06:19 GMT
#162
On October 25 2008 15:18 village_idiot wrote:
SAVIOR CRACKS THE BUILD!

MAESTRO WILL DESTROY EVERYONE!


No just a horrible map to do it on. Also Midas totally underestimated the amount of turrets needed for the build.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
GarlicPepper
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States563 Posts
October 25 2008 06:19 GMT
#163
Yes! So happy that savior won! And waterghost, it's Midas not Midias..
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 25 2008 06:19 GMT
#164
SAVIOR
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
October 25 2008 06:19 GMT
#165
Zerg has so many openings to attack from coupled with the slow mech build. Savior played that perfectly.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 25 2008 06:20 GMT
#166
On October 25 2008 15:19 BanZu wrote:
Hey guys, just wondering, does it look like sAviOr's back in form??


fuck yes
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
JellopY
Profile Joined April 2008
Germany20 Posts
October 25 2008 06:20 GMT
#167
without some vult harass this strat doenst work.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 25 2008 06:20 GMT
#168
On October 25 2008 15:18 Aesop wrote:
I have no clue what Midas' game plan was right there.



he was trying to go mech, but savior was able to keep the econ of Midias down by harassing with 12 lings when midias had only 3 gols, and then savior harassed successfully with his mutas before midias could get a valk out. Hydra+muta were able to enter the base from multiple places, right after midias moved out. Savior kept his main+tech, midias loses army, midias gg's
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zgl
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1055 Posts
October 25 2008 06:20 GMT
#169
Theres absolutely no room for mech army to move on this map.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 25 2008 06:21 GMT
#170
On October 25 2008 15:19 GarlicPepper wrote:
Yes! So happy that savior won! And waterghost, it's Midas not Midias..



sorry, I really don't like the keyboard that i'm on right now. But yes, it is wrong. ><;; Sorry. I'll work on it
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 25 2008 06:22 GMT
#171
On October 25 2008 15:20 zgl wrote:
Theres absolutely no room for mech army to move on this map.



and there is two entrances, both of which are downhill ramps. I think I know why there have been so many zvz's on this map.
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
October 25 2008 06:22 GMT
#172
On October 25 2008 15:20 zgl wrote:
Theres absolutely no room for mech army to move on this map.


This. Main Mistakes of Midas

1) Map is far too confining for that build.
2) Without vulture harass and contain there is a huge gap between marines and goliaths
3) There wasn't enough turrents. When Fantasy did the build there was easily 5-6 turrets placed around the main AND nat, not just to protect the line but to protect the valk group from scourage's early when gols are too slow to assist.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
October 25 2008 06:23 GMT
#173
T1, val mech build is not the magic stick for you to use it all the time, It ONLY works with SURPRISE. Try to get Bisu back in shape for vsZ.
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0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
October 25 2008 06:23 GMT
#174
Well, hopefully that puts an end to that stupid valk/gol opening Fantasy apparently made popular now...
Savior reacted very well, right amount of muta/scourge, switch to hydra at the right time, mass expanding, harass from multiple locations, and backstab.
Ts should just stay with M&M, it's so much stronger and much more solid... and most importantly it can prevent Z from mass expanding.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 25 2008 06:25 GMT
#175
On October 25 2008 15:23 economist_ wrote:
T1, val mech build is not the magic stick for you to use it all the time, It ONLY works with SURPRISE. Try to get Bisu back in shape for vsZ.



It's really really hard to pvz on that map- the two nat entrances make it so you can't fe. You would need to 1 base tech, but zerg already knows how to counter that really well (which is why most tosses, especially bisu, prefer to fe).

1 base tech would have been the only way, aka wraiths to harass before zerg is ready. Savior got his hydra den to be prepared for that however, so I'm not sure if even that would have worked.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
October 25 2008 06:25 GMT
#176
Raid Assault II is a tough map for SKT1; they don't have an zergs, they don't have any zerg practice partners, and it's bad for protoss. So basically, you're going to face Midas or Fantasy or an insta lose zerg.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11300 Posts
October 25 2008 06:25 GMT
#177
On October 25 2008 15:20 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 15:18 Aesop wrote:
I have no clue what Midas' game plan was right there.



he was trying to go mech, but savior was able to keep the econ of Midias down by harassing with 12 lings when midias had only 3 gols, and then savior harassed successfully with his mutas before midias could get a valk out. Hydra+muta were able to enter the base from multiple places, right after midias moved out. Savior kept his main+tech, midias loses army, midias gg's

I DID watch the game. The question was not what units he tried to build and how he got punished for managing it badly, but rather what his overall intention in this game was, as in long term strategic choice, adaptation of some metal build to this map, yadda ...
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
October 25 2008 06:26 GMT
#178
On October 25 2008 15:23 economist_ wrote:
T1, val mech build is not the magic stick for you to use it all the time, It ONLY works with SURPRISE. Try to get Bisu back in shape for vsZ.


ummm Bisu has been on fire lately vs all the races. He has the flu or some shit though, so I don't think he is there.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-25 06:27:25
October 25 2008 06:26 GMT
#179
why is everyone talking about "more room" needed for mech. narrow corridors are good for mech you can't get flanked.

the reason why mech sucks on this map is the backstab entrance, midas really fucked up by not using mines or leaving defense for that. the main mistake though was losing the 3 valks, i think midas would've won if that didn't happen.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-25 06:29:41
October 25 2008 06:28 GMT
#180
Fantasy build is not dead at all, its just the map is terrible for this build, it's like going bisu build without a natural expansion. Also, Midas did not do the key part of the fantasy build, he never did dropship/vult harass and that severely limited his movements and effectively lost the game for him. I dont think Savior's been tested yet. I mean, TvZ on Raid Assault from SKT1 just screams Fantasy build and Savior practiced against it.
I may have summarized incorrectly..
Jaedong
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