EPTNever thought I'd say this but...
fOrGG FIGHTING!
[MSL Finals] Jaedong vs fOrGG - Page 4
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
Never thought I'd say this but... fOrGG FIGHTING! | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On July 24 2008 18:50 ForAdun wrote: Imo the only map that favors terran a little bit is Tiamat. Colosseum 5-2 - This could easily be a 4-3 so don't count your chickens before they hatch. Actually I can't see ForGG winning on this map, imo it's an even map that totally fits Jaedong's style. Othello 15-9 - Very even stats actually, I remember Arcadia which seemed super-imba in the past favoring zerg over terran, then starting to even out until it was almost 50/50. I think Jaedong will lose though unless he can handle the drop-heavy late game. Tiamat 4-0 - Very short of games but those that have been played looked convincing. This one will most likely destroy Jaedong but since he knows how bad his chances are on Tiamat he will probably do some really strong timing build like 2 hatch muta/lurk or 2 base hive which is very hard to handle. Athena 2-2 - No doubt, we'll see a great game on this map just like Jaedong vs Much was. I think ForGG will type out in the late game. So if everything goes right it should end 3-2 in anyone's favor. I believe ForGG has good chances if he can abuse the Tiamat imbalance but if not he's gonna cry like Boxer when he lost to oov. This season's map pool is AWEFUL for zergs. There's more to map statistics than looking at the scores between races. I tend to focus more on the number of appearances for each races if the map is used in the proleague. Just a brief look at the number of appearances would tell you that zerg players wanted to stay the HELL away from these maps, and the select few who tried usually weren't rewarded for their bravery. Colosseum and Othello were the main reasons for this season of the proleague becoming a non-stop TvT fest. There's a reason why managers kept sending terran players on these maps when people were screaming for some innovation with the line-ups. Sure some zergs managed to win on these maps, but these handful of victories are next to meaningless in the bigger scheme of things. Yes, Jaedong can win on these maps, but no thanks to its balance. I pray for Jaedong to triump because both individual leagues having zerg winners would be so awesome, especially since zergs were basically invisible (except in team plays of course) in the proleague this season. As for the finals itself, I predict a ForGG victory. The maps scream death for zergs and ForGG knows Jaedong inside out so it'll be hard for Jaedong to outsmart ForGG. It doesn't matter how good you are if the situation calls for a miracle. If ForGG plays great in the finals, he will win no matter what. Jaedong can play great, but it'll take more than that to win the series. It'll take a miracle. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
ForGG 3-2 eZ You heard it from me first! | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
On July 25 2008 00:28 Letmelose wrote: This season's map pool is AWEFUL for zergs. There's more to map statistics than looking at the scores between races. I tend to focus more on the number of appearances for each races if the map is used in the proleague. Just a brief look at the number of appearances would tell you that zerg players wanted to stay the HELL away from these maps, and the select few who tried usually weren't rewarded for their bravery. Colosseum and Othello were the main reasons for this season of the proleague becoming a non-stop TvT fest. There's a reason why managers kept sending terran players on these maps when people were screaming for some innovation with the line-ups. Sure some zergs managed to win on these maps, but these handful of victories are next to meaningless in the bigger scheme of things. Yes, Jaedong can win on these maps, but no thanks to its balance. I pray for Jaedong to triump because both individual leagues having zerg winners would be so awesome, especially since zergs were basically invisible (except in team plays of course) in the proleague this season. As for the finals itself, I predict a ForGG victory. The maps scream death for zergs and ForGG knows Jaedong inside out so it'll be hard for Jaedong to outsmart ForGG. It doesn't matter how good you are if the situation calls for a miracle. If ForGG plays great in the finals, he will win no matter what. Jaedong can play great, but it'll take more than that to win the series. It'll take a miracle. And adding to all this deep analysis you also know exactly what makes these maps imbalanced for zerg? Lets see  | ||
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On July 25 2008 00:49 raga4ka wrote: In Jaedong's skills i trust !!! | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On July 25 2008 00:52 ForAdun wrote: And adding to all this deep analysis you also know exactly what makes these maps imbalanced for zerg? Lets see Unfortunately I don't read the game too well. As far as I could tell both Colosseum and Othello are as easy as maps go when it comes to terrans taking their natural, and most importantly allow terrans to take 3rd gas as they move out to pressure the zerg. | ||
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
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TW WiNNinG 54
United States250 Posts
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crazie-penguin
United States1253 Posts
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
He isn't going to be able to read Jaedong like he read Flash, and even so, his micro isan't ogod enough to compete with Jaedong. Does everybody here remember what happened when JD was 2gate proxied while 12 hatching. Yeah, that's what will happen if Forgg tries to cheese him. I predict that JD will play agressively on colosseum, standard on othello and 5 pool on Tiamat. Tiamat is horrendously imbalanced. The problem is that there is only 1 viable location to expand to a third gas, and it is able to be attacked from either side. That means that the standard 2 lurker defense of the thrid gas is completely ineffectual, since Terran can simply bypass it. Jaedong hasn't won straight up on this map, and I think he'll cheese. Given the map pool, the teammate connection, and the caliber of these two players its very hard to predict. I rule out 3-0 or 3-1 by Forgg, but anything else is possible. 3-0 or 3-1 is certainly possible as Jaedong is monstrous, though I would be surprised if Forgg didn't win at least one game. The best would be an exciting closer on Colosseum - the result of which would be anybody's guess | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 24 2008 20:38 Tinithor wrote: Wow the JD fanboyism is OVERWHELMING... you guys act like ForGG is a scrub or something. 1. I am definitely a fanboy 2. It's not that ForGG is a scrub, it's that Jaedong in his current form is the best Starcraft player ever. The legacy of sAviOr, July, NaDa, Oov, Boxer, etc. may be greater, but none of them in their prime would win a bo5 vs Jd. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On July 25 2008 01:52 Jibba wrote: 1. I am definitely a fanboy 2. It's not that ForGG is a scrub, it's that Jaedong in his current form is the best Starcraft player ever. The legacy of sAviOr, July, NaDa, Oov, Boxer, etc. may be greater, but none of them in their prime would win a bo5 vs Jd. I think it says a lot about Jaedong's raw skill when the majority of people simply expect him (Despite the fact that his ZvT hasn't been at its best this year-- though this can be blamed on the maps) to crush a player of forgg's caliber (who's 71% TvZ) in maps that significantly favor the terran player. That said I still believe that forgg can pull off a JulyZerg. But with proper preparation and with the nigh perfect mechanics and multitasking JD displayed in his series against Lomo I do think that he can hold off any of forgg's timing pushes (And anything he can do in the late game for that matter). | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Who are you guys? Are you really saying... really predicting..... FORGG MSL CHAMPION!?!?!?! LOL. Fuck you. JAEDONGERRrrrrrrrrr. What Savior was to others, Jaedong is that + more. He was the sickest rookie, He is Lecaf's signature and proleague foundation and now... A 3 time champion to put himself up with the greatests of all time. THE GREATESTSSTSS!!! ForGG knows Jaedongers play.. lol - -;;; ok? Jaedongie knows ForGG's play.. and I feel Jaedong is a more complete player. Map imbalance is irrelevant. The kid will not lose. NOT.LOSE. EVER. | ||
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Februarys
Korea (South)259 Posts
Even if forGG somehow manages to beat JD in this finals, I can still see ForGG below Jaedong in Rankings just because we know that JD is a better player, have faced much more competent players and won over them, and the maps given in this final is heavily T favored | ||
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traced
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Hwasin told me so. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
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