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kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 22:49:24
July 26 2008 22:44 GMT
#1101
forGG has had strong TvZ for a while, he just hasn't played many this season. I don't know why people are that surprised here.

his TvT improvement, on the other hand, caught me by surprise. I thought he'd always suck at it
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 22:52:25
July 26 2008 22:45 GMT
#1102
first savior skimps on lair tech and now jaedong? what's going on here...?? games 2 and 3 were both so similar...too fast hive not enough lair units (lurkers, really)

also, note that neither player did any mind games really. i had hoped (but not expected) jaedong would do some sneaky or unexpected play to catch his opponent off guard, but nada really, except for the start of game 1.
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 26 2008 22:53 GMT
#1103
I am sickened by this result. I, a fanboy, look down defeated.
Jaedong
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
July 26 2008 22:54 GMT
#1104
On July 27 2008 07:44 kramus wrote:
forGG has had strong TvZ for a while, he just hasn't played many this season. I don't know why people are that surprised here.


He still owned the best ZvT player 3-0 easily, I'd say that's pretty surprising.

Anyway it really showed how these guys are on the same team, Jaedong anticipated those dropships so incredibly well, and forgg just knew exactly when Jaedong tried to ambush him. Still really disappointed, very skilled display but just way too one sided, I just want to see some great games, especially TvZ has been lacking that lately.
kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
July 26 2008 23:13 GMT
#1105
yeah, now I think of it jaedong had only ever lost one bo5 before so objectively a 3-0 was a pretty big surprise
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
July 26 2008 23:18 GMT
#1106
I hope this doesn't end up the same way Savior and Bisu did....
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
July 26 2008 23:30 GMT
#1107
Jaedong deserved to lose :D
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
July 26 2008 23:30 GMT
#1108
neat, im 7th on liquibet now
My. Copy. Is. Here.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
July 26 2008 23:34 GMT
#1109
--- Nuked ---
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
July 26 2008 23:36 GMT
#1110
On July 27 2008 08:18 In)Spire wrote:
I hope this doesn't end up the same way Savior and Bisu did....


Guess we'll find out soon enough, he did make it to the finals of the GOMTV tournament.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 23:40:27
July 26 2008 23:39 GMT
#1111
On July 27 2008 08:34 Jumperer wrote:
this proved that ZvT is imbalanced. Terran doesn't have to do anything to gain an edge over the zerg. defend and tech to 3-3 marine medic vessels and win.


No it just proves how little you know of playing terran. If you honestly think that's all what forgg did you're crazy. Seriously, go on iccup and defend and tech to 3-3 marine medic every game and watch how you're overrun before you even have a single vessel.

You have no idea how hard TvZ is lol, forgg makes it look simple but he played like a god. Jaedong isn't unbeatable, it doesn't take some kind of super special strategy to beat him, forgg just played better today because he knew Jaedong so extremely well.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 23:46:16
July 26 2008 23:39 GMT
#1112
On July 27 2008 08:34 Jumperer wrote:
this proved that ZvT is imbalanced. Terran doesn't have to do anything to gain an edge over the zerg. defend and tech to 3-3 marine medic vessels and win.


more like macro and push out with more units than your opponent can even imagine
actually really it was just great play all around from forGG; preparation, defense, timing, MACRO, even some good micro moments... people who have watched/kept up with forGG in the past (even for a bit) have known that the day forGG figured out how to use his massive blobs of units with any kind of finesse, he'd be really dangerous... and this MSL has pretty much proven that.

It's not like Jaedong sucked it up or couldn't compete or was doomed from the start when he had to face a Terran player. Jaedong's weird decision to sunken rush against forGG just shows how the dynamics between teammates can throw people off the game we're used to seeing them play... though forGG's performance showed how that kind of insider knowledge can be a huge help if you prepare for it the right way.

For all the people whining about TvZ imba, how many Terrans had beaten Jaedong in a Bo5 series up until this point?
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
July 26 2008 23:56 GMT
#1113
this is as mind-blowing as savior vs. bisu
Horangi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Hong Kong226 Posts
July 27 2008 00:02 GMT
#1114
wooooo!
i voted on the right one :D
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
July 27 2008 00:05 GMT
#1115
Talk about a sweep. That was unexpected =P
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
July 27 2008 00:05 GMT
#1116
On July 27 2008 08:39 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2008 08:34 Jumperer wrote:
this proved that ZvT is imbalanced. Terran doesn't have to do anything to gain an edge over the zerg. defend and tech to 3-3 marine medic vessels and win.


more like macro and push out with more units than your opponent can even imagine
actually really it was just great play all around from forGG; preparation, defense, timing, MACRO, even some good micro moments... people who have watched/kept up with forGG in the past (even for a bit) have known that the day forGG figured out how to use his massive blobs of units with any kind of finesse, he'd be really dangerous... and this MSL has pretty much proven that.

It's not like Jaedong sucked it up or couldn't compete or was doomed from the start when he had to face a Terran player. Jaedong's weird decision to sunken rush against forGG just shows how the dynamics between teammates can throw people off the game we're used to seeing them play... though forGG's performance showed how that kind of insider knowledge can be a huge help if you prepare for it the right way.

For all the people whining about TvZ imba, how many Terrans had beaten Jaedong in a Bo5 series up until this point?



TVZ imbaness is not the point here i guess. ForGG was magnificent.


Still, i do think T > Z :
Z is not as forgiving as T. You can't sit. You can't turtle. They are not cost efficient unless constant micro care.
And while you give this said care, you also have to expand and macro like mad.

That being said, forGG's performance here was simply amazing. I mean, he even beat JD in a macro game...
Resistance ain't futile
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
July 27 2008 00:12 GMT
#1117
Jaedong played as great as it can get for ZvT. He use a wide array of strategies.

Game 1 was close, the fact that Jaedong got 4 gas was scary. It might had been ForGG's drop which took down Jaedong's evolution chambers that did the most damage.

The results that ForGG won the finals wasn't too unexpected. Terran is usually favored and this map pool helps even more.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
ReapersSorrows
Profile Joined June 2008
China40 Posts
July 27 2008 00:34 GMT
#1118
plz, no imba crying PLZ. sc is the most BALANCED GAME THERE IS. cant ask for MORE BALANCE. jus watch the good games n appreciate a good ol' zerg assbeating like we did bisu-savior.
Cry smore! YES! UR TEARS SUSTAIN ME!
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 27 2008 00:53 GMT
#1119
I can't wait for fOrGG vs BeSt.

That will produce some epic fucking games if it ever happens.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
July 27 2008 01:33 GMT
#1120
On July 27 2008 09:53 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I can't wait for fOrGG vs BeSt.

That will produce some epic fucking games if it ever happens.

best will crush forgg. yes, his pvz sucks ass, but he will own this newbie terran!
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