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Last Edited: 2011-05-16 00:36:25
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1. Introduction

2. ProGaming History

3. The Current State of Progaming
4. OnGameNet Leagues
5. MBCGame Leagues
6. GOM Leagues
7. Team Leagues

8. How to follow progaming

9. Further TeamLiquid.net Resources



Introduction
  • What is progaming?
    Progaming (short for professional gaming, also known as e-Sports) is the term used by people to refer to video games being played in a competitive and professional manner. Progaming is used as a broad term, as there are many video games being played professionally all around the world, such as Counter-Strike, Halo 3 and Warcraft III.

    So what does Teamliquid.net do?
    Teamliquid.net focuses on the most popular e-Sport in South Korea, Starcraft. We offer up to date results and statistics as well as promoting discussion about every facet of Starcraft Progaming.

    Okay, so why does Teamliquid focus on Starcraft?
    Starcraft in Korea is nothing but a phenomenon. There are twelve, fully professional gaming teams owned by massive companies called chaebols (with the exception of the Air Force team) which compete in just about every Starcraft competition out there. Prize pools go from $50,000 up to $200,000. Full-time, professional players earn salaries ranging from $20,000 to $200,000. There are two dedicated channels focused mainly on providing Starcraft-related content, and there are even Starcraft camps which parents send their children to to learn more about the game.

    Who runs professional Starcraft in Korea?
    The current administration that controls professional gaming overall in South Korea is the Korean e-Sports Players Association, known as KeSPA. Currently, Blizzard is disputing this control, and has bestowed broadcasting rights and control over SC:BW leagues to Gretech Corp, the owners of GOM TV. Blizzard has given the two broadcasting companies, MBCGame and Ongamenet, until August 2010 to purchase licenses that will allow them to broadcast professional Starcraft. KeSPA will most likely take legal action against Blizzard in an effort to keep control.

    How do you watch live Starcraft matches?
    All the information you need to watch live can be found here

  • How does a person become a progamer?
    There are two ways of earning a progaming license and thus, being able to compete in the Proleague or Offline Preliminaries.
    1) You can enter a tournament which is known as the Courage Tournament. The Courage Tournament is held often and is very, very tough to advance through. The number of licenses given out depends on the number of participants. Those who sign up are split up into groups of 64 and one advances per group.
    2) You can be given an exemption by a professional team and be 'given' a license. Licenses are given like this in rare occasions where the gamers are very talented, very young, or occasionally, a foreigner. Teams usually have three or four of these to give out every year.


History of Starcraft Progaming
  • History
    Things didn't really get started in Korea until Brood War came along. Sure, Honest won a ladder tournament, and a few others had been climbing the ranks (notably HOT-Forever, Honest[S.G] and Ssamjang), but Brood War was still dominated by Western/Non-Korean players.

    This was about to change, but not yet. Grrrr... (Giyom), a French-Canadian who had always been a top Starcraft player, went to Korea to compete in the Sports Seoul Tournament. He finished 2nd. Around this time the first "Knights Bridge of Korea" tournament was arranged, better known as KBK. A number of western players attended, among them was NTT (Dutch Terran player) who played brilliantly, but lost out near the end. The final was between TheMarine and I.Love_Star, where TheMarine came out on top.

    Back in the west, Grrrr... won both the Brood War Season 3 ladder tournament and the massive Blizzard World Championship in dominating style. Soon after this, he moved to Korea to make a living out of gaming. He was massively dominant, beating most of the Koreans and dominating tournaments, including a win at the Hantaro Starleague and the following King of Kings tournament, a winner's tournament OGN (OnGameNet) used to arrange at the end of each year.

    Around this time (2000) the first WCG (World Cyber Games, known then as the World Cyber Challenge or WCC) was arranged, with the young zerg GoRush triumphing over I.Love_Star. In the same year the Norwegian Terran/Zerg player Slayer won the 2nd KBK, again beating I.Love_Star. He was the first player to demonstrate extreme dexterity, amazing everyone with his hand-speed and play. After his KBK win, Slayer was offered to stay in Korea and play professionally but he declined, deciding to go back to Norway.

    The first official OSL (OnGameNet Starleague) was also arranged in 2000. The zerg star SKELTON made it through both Grrrr... and Kingdom to the finals, but was stopped stone cold by the amazing GARIMTO who dominated him 3-0 and took the first official Starleague title.

    Meanwhile, in the Game-Q World Invitational, things were heating up. The popular zerg master Byun was completely dominated by a young terran. With stunning macro, rock solid defense and previously unseen dropship harassment he took the win and made his first claim to the throne of professional Starcraft. With this win, the emperor, Boxer, had arrived.

    The Game-Q tournaments eventually died out due to a lack of funding, but even without these Boxer dominated 2001 completely and utterly. He absolutely obliterated Grrrr... in one of the famous "Last 1.07 patch" matches (which are famously known for being the only games that had an entrance fee to watch), then went on to secure the first WCG crown (no longer WCC at that time), the Hanbitsoft OSL, the Coca-Cola OSL and ended the year with a solid run for the SKY 2001 prize, but was stopped at the last possible point by the returning GARIMTO. GARIMTO winning led to the creation of the legend of the fall theory. This theory simply states that a Protoss will win the Fall Starleague season each year.

    2001 saw Starcraft change rapidly. Boxer put his magic into the terran race, changing gameplay radically. Fortunately, GARIMTO, the old protoss master, came through and single-handedly saved the protoss race from Boxer’s dominance. Two important young players came into the scene, the first one being Yellow. His amazing lurker and zergling combination play and incredible 2nd place vs Boxer (3-2), who at that point was considered invincible, made him the 3rd King of Starcraft.

    We also saw the first signs of the greatness that lay within Reach, with his amazing win over Boxer in the SKY 01 round of 16, a massive game where Reach smashed Boxer's incredible metal armies with a tornado of protoss troops.

    As they say, the rest is history. You can read about events from here on in our excellent article section. For those of you extra curious about some of the big names of yesteryear check out the Starcraft Players; Accomplishments and Info thread.


The Current State of Progaming

Progaming continues to grow and flourish within South Korea. There are currently two full time cable gaming channels (MBC and OnGameNet) where StarCraft constitutes the main attraction. In addition, online media players such as GOM and DAUM have both served as major sponsors for Starleagues, and are carrying lots of StarCraft content. This section breaks down what competition is available for fans and gamers.

  • What tournaments are there at the moment?
    There are currently four individual leagues, two for each channel. The premiere leagues, called StarLeagues (OSL for OnGameNet and MSL for MBC) are where the top qualifiers play. In order to reach the top level, there is a complex qualification system that a player must compete in. To read about each process, click the spoilers below. There is also a team league in which the 12 professional teams compete against each other. This is called the Proleague and is hosted by both OnGameNet and MBCGame; information on this tournament can be found below.

  • Ongamenet Leagues
    All the information you could possibly want for the OnGameNet Leagues can be found in this thread

  • MBCGame Leagues
    All the information you could possibly want for the MBCGame Leagues can be found in this thread

  • Team Leagues
    All the information you could possibly want for the team leagues can be found in this thread


How do you Follow Progaming?

Now that you know all about the scene in Korea, how can you watch it? How can you keep up with the scene? Over time, coverage of the scene has moved from text-only to full video coverage. If you are new to StarCraft, you have truly arrived in the Golden Age. Today it is possible to watch live streams of the Korean Leagues as well as watch old games which have been recorded on video. These are called VODs around Teamliquid.net (VOD is short for Video on Demand).

For all the information you need to get watching some top quality Starcraft check out this thread

What else does Teamliquid.net offer?

Other Resources
In addition to video, there are many other resources that allow you to immerse yourself in the world of professional StarCraft. These are maintained by the staff and dedicated members of TeamLiquid. If you like what you see, contribute! That is what keeps the site strong.

  • TeamLiquid Progaming Database
    The TeamLiquid Progaming Database, or TLPD, is a unique resource in the world of StarCraft. It contains the records of every official game played and counted by KeSPA, the governing body for StarCraft. Inside, you can find team rosters, player records, tournament results both past and present, and a fully customizable search tool. The TLPD is great for history, but it also allows for easy access to the most current results of the leagues of the day. Videos of games are also linked to the Database, meaning you can watch thousands of games from yesteryear, as well as the games from last night.

  • Results and Standings
    Below the TLPD search bar, you will find a “results and standings” thread for each tournament. Maintained by either staff or regular members, this thread will give you all the information you need to follow a specific league. Our members take great pride in crafting these threads. Upon completion of the league, they are immortalized in the…

  • Articles Section
    In the Articles Section, the results from all previous leagues can be found, as well as history from the very first StarLeagues. On top of that, you can find interviews, technical information, and guides.

  • Starcraft Resources
    Don't know where to upload your latest replay? Visiting Korea and want to watch live Progaming but don't know where to go? In the Starcraft resources thread you will find just about every tool, website, guide or feature you will ever need. Neatly sub-divided into categories, all of these links are available to enhance your Starcraft and Progaming experiences; and to make your life significantly easier.

  • Liquipedia
    Liquipedia is the official TeamLiquid Wiki. In time this place will house all important information about all things Starcraft. At the moment it houses over 700 pages of Strategy and Progaming content. You can look up an extensive number of builds using this feature and fine tune your own builds with our numerous guides. This is an excellent resource for players who are just starting out in Starcraft.

  • Fantasy Proleague
    TeamLiquid is full of sport enthusiasts, and as such, we have adapted the traditional fantasy league for Starcraft! There is regular information about this floating around the site, else you can check the Brood War Forum stickies for the latest updates on this. The basic objective behind Fantasy Proleague is to assemble the best team you can with the points you are allocated. Players and Teams score points for winning games and at the end of the Proleague Round the person with the highest score wins a coveted Fantasy King icon.

  • Liquibet
    A final feature on TL is Liquibet, our in-house betting system. Feeling confident about your knowledge of StarCraft? Each season we put up matches ahead of time, allowing our members to bet on the outcome. After a grueling season, a winner emerges, and his name is forever embossed with the coveted Liquibet Trophy. Good Luck!

    This is just a taste of the features on TL.net. There is also a great News Page, where the latest results and matches are reported on, as well as our Final Edits section, where our best writers bring you comprehensive analysis of the game. Lastly, we have our Power Rank, showing you who is hot in the StarCraft world right now.


Do you understand now?
Hopefully? If you have any general Progaming questions or questions about Teamliquid.net and what we offer, feel free to post them in this thread without fear of ridicule. It would be appreciated if you could post any questions about the OSL, MSL, or how to watch Starcraft in the appropriate FAQ rather than this one. Here at Teamliquid.net we're always willing to help a fellow fan understand the ways of the Koreans.
riptide
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5673 Posts
July 20 2008 16:40 GMT
#2
This is pretty sweet. Finally a place I can link potential fans to. Much thanks!
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Gaetele
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Esper760 Posts
July 20 2008 17:43 GMT
#3
Wow o_O

Very, very nice.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 20 2008 17:54 GMT
#4
Impressive compilation of all SC related tools and links.

Great job!
God Bless
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Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3392 Posts
July 20 2008 18:16 GMT
#5
Very informative, thank you~
Unbelievable237
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Korea (South)78 Posts
July 20 2008 18:24 GMT
#6
Thanks for all the info
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Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
July 20 2008 18:34 GMT
#7
I think this will should be one of the threads introducing TL.net for every new registered account - along with the Ten Commandments . Very nice and short read .
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 20 2008 18:53 GMT
#8
Is this the first thread TL.net Bot has made?
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Viledica
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada361 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-21 14:43:38
July 21 2008 14:42 GMT
#9
On July 21 2008 03:53 mikeymoo wrote:
Is this the first thread TL.net Bot has made?


I also saw it make an OSL FAQ if I remember correctly.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75487

Nice FAQ, both of them.
Plexa
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 21 2008 15:40 GMT
#10
TL bot made 6 threads
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
July 21 2008 16:52 GMT
#11
Now everyone should understand why HonestTea fell in love with TL.net Bot
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
July 21 2008 17:19 GMT
#12
This is freaking incredible.
Super serious.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
July 21 2008 18:47 GMT
#13
tlbot deserves a star
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Ghostly123
Profile Joined July 2008
Australia4 Posts
July 21 2008 22:07 GMT
#14
Thanks for the handy guide.
^^
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United States7395 Posts
July 21 2008 22:31 GMT
#15
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Australia3316 Posts
July 22 2008 11:09 GMT
#16
Oh My Fucking God. Teamliquid fucking rule !
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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
July 22 2008 16:08 GMT
#17
nice so now i can get other people into programing :D
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 22 2008 16:22 GMT
#18
On July 23 2008 00:06 FortuneSyn wrote:
Quick question: Does a progamer have to stick to 1 race or can they switch around throughout a league/tournament? For example, a progamer that only plays ZvP TvZ and PvT. I'm guessing the answer is no but i just want to make sure.
A progamer can play any race they want. The only limitation is that they must inform whoever the host of the event at least 1 week before the match. Off-racing (ala Savior vs Gorush) or race picking is strongly discouraged in proteam houses because of the extra work you need to do on those matchups.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
July 22 2008 16:50 GMT
#19
awesome! these faqs are really amazing and sum up all the information needed soooo nicely!

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Legitimus
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Spain8 Posts
July 22 2008 21:13 GMT
#20
WOOa 10/10!
tttt
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United States386 Posts
August 13 2008 08:20 GMT
#21
Very nice summary. This thread should take some of the overwhelming amount of info factor out of getting into the Korean Pro-Scene.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
August 13 2008 09:02 GMT
#22
kickass.
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United States7454 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-13 10:09:23
August 13 2008 09:28 GMT
#23
I just read that for the sake of being a proud member.

I love you teamliquid.net!
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Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 26 2008 04:03 GMT
#24
Thanks to alffla for the sick banner <3
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United States1989 Posts
August 26 2008 04:04 GMT
#25
My god alffla, great job.
Super serious.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 26 2008 04:23 GMT
#26
its not that great..just collecting photos .. anyway this ULTIMATE FAQ is cooler and more useful
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Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
October 07 2008 15:20 GMT
#27
oh sweet ! def 10/10! :D
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Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
October 07 2008 15:46 GMT
#28
GomTV is now KeSPA sanctioned, OP update this please:

GOM TV also host their own individual league called the GOM TV Classic which runs independently from the OSL and MSL. At the moment, this tournament is not officially sanctioned by KeSPA.
TJcan
Profile Joined November 2008
14 Posts
November 18 2008 12:20 GMT
#29
Thanks so much! Always wanted to stream live matches
yrag89
Profile Joined July 2008
Malaysia315 Posts
November 26 2008 08:48 GMT
#30
I want to ask how teams pick the lineup during proleague. Is it like Dota? The coin draw, then chooses who pick first for first game and 2nd game and so on?

Thx.
secondly morrow is a korean pro who plays terran what the hell did you expect lol - charlie420247
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 26 2008 08:54 GMT
#31
Basically, each round of proleauge has a predetermined set of maps. Before the start of each proleauge week the coaches of each team submit 4 players to play vs their opponents, and simply say which map those players will be playing on.
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avandalherat
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1 Post
November 26 2008 09:27 GMT
#32
question:

are there any gameplay rules?

why don't i see any disruption webs??
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 26 2008 10:30 GMT
#33
On November 26 2008 18:27 avandalherat wrote:
question:

are there any gameplay rules?

why don't i see any disruption webs??
There are only very few gameplay rules; the really only ban bugs/exploits like stacked workers using a geyser (which allows them to stack and attack while still stacked). Disruption webs are often used because its a lategame spell which rarely pays off in terms of the cost required. However if you watch some of the longer Sair/Reaver games which transition into Sair/Carrier you'll more than likely see dweb being used
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yrag89
Profile Joined July 2008
Malaysia315 Posts
November 28 2008 07:49 GMT
#34
On November 26 2008 17:54 Plexa wrote:
Basically, each round of proleauge has a predetermined set of maps. Before the start of each proleauge week the coaches of each team submit 4 players to play vs their opponents, and simply say which map those players will be playing on.


So if both teams send their player names to the officials at the same time, they won't know who are they playing against? Until published? or 1 team gets to send in theirs first then follow by the other team? (Grudge/Showcase matches)
secondly morrow is a korean pro who plays terran what the hell did you expect lol - charlie420247
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 28 2008 09:29 GMT
#35
On November 28 2008 16:49 yrag89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2008 17:54 Plexa wrote:
Basically, each round of proleauge has a predetermined set of maps. Before the start of each proleauge week the coaches of each team submit 4 players to play vs their opponents, and simply say which map those players will be playing on.


So if both teams send their player names to the officials at the same time, they won't know who are they playing against? Until published? or 1 team gets to send in theirs first then follow by the other team? (Grudge/Showcase matches)
Neither team knows what line has been sent in by the other team. The lineups are released on the Thursday of the new proleague week, and then the teams find out their opponents.
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Mista
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore1022 Posts
January 19 2009 03:34 GMT
#36
thanks so much for this thread i'm a recent convert Starcraft fan from Wc3 and this is very helpful. <3 teamliquid !!
Time for some Revolution !
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
January 19 2009 03:44 GMT
#37
Welcome to the dark side of the force.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
March 02 2009 05:09 GMT
#38
Wow.... I never noticed this thread before somehow. The brief sc history was a nice little read.
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
March 02 2009 21:50 GMT
#39
Hey guys, I noticed this:

"The TeamLiquid Programing Database, or TLPD, is a unique resource in the world of StarCraft."

You might want to fix it . It's under the "Other Resources" section.
Super serious.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
March 31 2009 18:39 GMT
#40
question: how much of the OSL/MSL/GOM tournament winnings does a progamer get to keep? i'm assuming players have to give a big chunk of the money to the team.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 07 2009 06:50 GMT
#41
It completely depends on the teams, and the contracts the players have. For instance, back in the days of GO all players gave 100% of their winnings to the team (because they were so poor). Nowadays with complete team sponsorship, the % of winnings really depends on whatever contract the player is playing on.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 06 2009 17:47 GMT
#42
Bump. This should be up to date again!
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nobitax
Profile Joined November 2009
Chile19 Posts
June 09 2010 00:16 GMT
#43
wow a lot of information ... there were things I did not know, thanks ;D

see ya!~~
be yourself~~ ;D
EndlessThirst
Profile Joined June 2010
United States16 Posts
June 21 2010 03:09 GMT
#44
Many thanks, this is truly a helpful spot to find everything I need
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Selth
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States469 Posts
July 12 2010 05:34 GMT
#45
This will keep me preoccupied for the next few days. +_+ Awesome. Hopefully I will have an incredible firm grasp of pro gaming after reading all of this. ^^
vOddy
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden402 Posts
September 07 2010 21:23 GMT
#46
This really has to be updated. It says that Gom TV is running Gom TV classic... come on, seriously.
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 07 2010 23:15 GMT
#47
On September 08 2010 06:23 vOddy wrote:
This really has to be updated. It says that Gom TV is running Gom TV classic... come on, seriously.


who's running it then?
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 08 2010 07:58 GMT
#48
On September 08 2010 08:15 vectorix108 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 06:23 vOddy wrote:
This really has to be updated. It says that Gom TV is running Gom TV classic... come on, seriously.


who's running it then?

Considering the GOMTV Intel Classic ended over a year ago, nobody

But yes, this should be updated with the GSL and some other info that has transpired.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 08 2010 21:40 GMT
#49
match fixing?
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 09 2010 07:07 GMT
#50
On September 08 2010 16:58 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 08:15 vectorix108 wrote:
On September 08 2010 06:23 vOddy wrote:
This really has to be updated. It says that Gom TV is running Gom TV classic... come on, seriously.


who's running it then?

Considering the GOMTV Intel Classic ended over a year ago, nobody

But yes, this should be updated with the GSL and some other info that has transpired.


ahh right. didnt know about that.
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
September 18 2010 23:42 GMT
#51
Especially the part where it says that TL focuses on Starcraft, that is, sadly, no longer entirely true.
Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
October 13 2010 23:40 GMT
#52
Does anybody know when the Shinhan ProLeague or OSL and MSL starts?
Thanks
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 01:21:03
October 14 2010 01:17 GMT
#53
On October 14 2010 08:40 Phradamon wrote:
Does anybody know when the Shinhan ProLeague or OSL and MSL starts?
Thanks

And he's from Romania. This is so perfect.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160288
Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
October 14 2010 07:30 GMT
#54
On October 14 2010 08:40 Phradamon wrote:
Does anybody know when the Shinhan ProLeague or OSL and MSL starts?
Thanks


Has been posted already, PL starts on the 16th. I'm sure sure as to OSL and MSL dates, but if you look around enough, it will be there.

Another note, the OP needs to be updated, as there are now only 10 teams in PL.
zcxvbn
Profile Joined August 2009
United States257 Posts
October 14 2010 17:35 GMT
#55
No, the OP should be preserved as a tribute to those optimistic times, when there was no match fixing, en-masse retirements, property rights disputes, etc

Pretty depressing to read this topic again, actually
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
October 14 2010 19:45 GMT
#56
WHY did I never know about this thread?? This is just great, I'd have loved to have linked some people I previously tried to explain progaming to
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hubson
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden93 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-15 09:58:33
October 15 2010 09:39 GMT
#57
Sorry if this should go in another thread but where are the MBC and OGN stadiums? I would really like to go see the PL opening tomorrow! Is it for free? Anything else I should know about?
Thank you!

edit: answer found in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80483
Strategos
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada132 Posts
October 30 2010 09:46 GMT
#58
Great post, amazing intro to progamming
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