On January 12 2008 17:49 Hot_Bid wrote:
Even when you win now, you can't smile.

Because you know. It's hard being the leader and a champion for so long and coming to grips with the harsh reality of watching the magic slip away.

Multiple losses to FBH when you wanted it so badly. Losses to Ruby and Kal, out of MSL Ro16 for the first time in two years.

A team of players who look to you for leadership almost lost because of you tonight, and you know it. You take the stage now not with the anticipation of your victory or with the confidence in your ability, but with the fear that this one game might be the one that finally indicates that this is not just a slump, but a fall.

Even when you win now, you can't smile. Instead, it's relief, the relief of knowing how closely you avoided completely breaking down.

And so your career hangs on a razor's edge, and he could fall at any moment.

My head and hands write this post as a eulogy, but the fan in me holds onto the hope. I feel the Last Romantic in me as I write this.

Do not despair. Because of you, once again, your team lives to play another day, Ma Jae Yoon.

So remember this moment, remember being a leader, and most of all...

Remember who you really are.

Mannerheim

766 Posts

January 12 2008 17:59 GMT

#1026

On January 12 2008 19:26 Hot_Bid wrote:

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i dont think anyone is saying this

you misread what people write

I guess you're right.. oh wait,

On January 13 2008 01:28 Byyk wrote:
All Savior's fan, write something now. This is the best thread ever.
THE LEGEND IS BACK!

On January 13 2008 01:18 Titusmaster6 wrote:
I woke up and BAM! MA - JAE - YOON!!! Savior you truly are the best.

On January 12 2008 19:56 DragoonPK wrote:
Savior T_T, that was an awsome preformance I thank you and appreciate your tears for your team. Now you can lead on and on, and show them the true powers of the maestro.

It's like people here have the memory of a goldfish.

Kuja900

United States3564 Posts

January 12 2008 18:01 GMT

#1027

On January 12 2008 19:26 Hot_Bid wrote:

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i dont think anyone is saying this

you misread what people write

yeah they all saying this actually, a moderate win doesnt mean anything return wise specially a zvz win. that loss to chal was a stronger message of off the deep end imo

tKd_

United States2916 Posts

January 12 2008 18:22 GMT

#1028

you have to admit that ling vs ling battle was nuts. how the fuck did savior win, his micro was so good.

Live2Win

United States6657 Posts

January 12 2008 18:23 GMT

#1029

On January 13 2008 03:01 Kuja900 wrote:

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yeah they all saying this actually, a moderate win doesnt mean anything return wise specially a zvz win. that loss to chal was a stronger message of off the deep end imo

To me, it is not about the game. It is not about the quality. No, it's more about the victory, the ONE victory that he BADLY needed. It's what that one victory meant. The loss of that one game would have meant so much more than the loss of any other game.

This one game meant EVERYTHING, and he pulled through.

Do I think he's back? No, that win does not mean that. The win gives us hope. There is still hope.

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

January 12 2008 18:32 GMT

#1030

That win shows us that he's a true champion, a true ace.

Out of a long-list of S-class players, the coach chose Savior. The fate of the team was riding on this game. Under a tremendous amount of pressure, Savior came through.

mstercrack

United States43 Posts

January 12 2008 18:37 GMT

#1031

somone plz ban this Mannerheim kid. Ruining a fucking celebration with your goldfish comments

Agahnim

Netherlands132 Posts

January 12 2008 18:40 GMT

#1032

On January 13 2008 02:59 Mannerheim wrote:

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I guess you're right.. oh wait,

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It's like people here have the memory of a goldfish.

note how all the posts you quoted are posted AFTER Hot_Bid's post

Live2Win

United States6657 Posts

January 12 2008 18:43 GMT

#1033

On January 13 2008 03:22 tKd_ wrote:
you have to admit that ling vs ling battle was nuts. how the fuck did savior win, his micro was so good.

to be honest I didn't think it was that much better than YarnC. I think there's probably an explanation though, like maybe YarnC made 1 more drone or soemthing.

azndsh

United States4447 Posts

January 12 2008 18:51 GMT

#1034

I counted 30 lings vs 26 at the start of the battle... as far as I could tell, Savior had later tech, and Yarnc was saving larva for mutas while Savior was pumping straight lings

Sigrun

United States1655 Posts

January 12 2008 20:08 GMT

#1035

I wish people would stop saying that Savior is "back" every time he wins a game. Not to take away from Savior's deciding game (which was awesome), but just because he beat Yarnc (whose ZvZ isn't even that great) doesn't mean he's going to start kicking ass again like he used too. However, I hope that the win might boost his confidence and cause him to play better in the future.

Saracen

United States5139 Posts

January 12 2008 20:16 GMT

#1036

savior's game against chalrenge was more bad than his game against yarnc was good
but as live2win said, he won when it counted and that's what matters

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

January 12 2008 20:18 GMT

#1037

ughhhh why didnt you send lux

lux would've raped savior...

not that i dont like savior, but i like the sparkyz more ;___;

Neuromancer2.0

United States36 Posts

January 12 2008 20:25 GMT

#1038

On January 13 2008 01:43 Cambium wrote:

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Uh really?

What was the penalty?

He took off his headphones before he typed GG.

Saracen

United States5139 Posts

January 12 2008 20:33 GMT

#1039

On January 13 2008 05:25 jimmyl930 wrote:

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He took off his headphones before he typed GG.

the penalty was...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=16&topic_id=64465

On December 30 2007 15:34 LosingID8 wrote:
oh nevermind, i think the warning is officially -1 points judging from the comments on that news post

i think

Aesop

Hungary11305 Posts

January 12 2008 20:55 GMT

#1040

Savior is back - Savior still sucks.

I think there are just two different points of view at work here. One is concerning the skill-level which the games of Savior against OGN showed. There was a very disappointing, boring, stretched-out PvZ against Chalrenge who did not play particularily well either. There are a short, poignant ZvZ against Yarnc which brought Cj the victory but did not display particular genius. It was just a win. So if you look at the games trying to find out if Savior has found his old strength, if he is dominating his opponents like he used to, the answer will definitely be no. Savior's gameplay did not get reinvented here.

But look at it from a different perspective: 2007 was, in the end, a year of hardship for Savior. He was unpleasantly knocked off his throne, he was fighting to come back almost the whole year, after suffering some humiliating defeats. He had a reputation to uphold, as the Maestro, as Jesuszerg, as whatever. He failed at that. Now in the first important match in 2008, after being knocked out of the MSL, he loses one game against a mediocre Protoss, in the matchup he was previously thought to be unbeatable in. Then it comes to the Ace match. There are lots of other options, strong terrans eager to do the finisher, but his coach sends him out. Losing this particular game, while not being the official ace, precluding CJ from advancing towards the PL title, this result would have been humiliating. But it was different: When it really mattered, the Maestro won. This does not mean he has regained all his former calm and skills. But the symbolic value of this win, which might count in the future as a starting point of yet another phase of dominance, cannot be overstated.