EPT[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 - Page 18
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Maks
Ukraine187 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4153 Posts
On May 05 2026 21:45 Gippy wrote: That game 5 ending was questionable. Snow held, but then double expanded and then built 2 stargate and a fleet beacon. That's a ton of resources not going into rebuilding his army. Did he not expect one more timing push from Flash? Seems like just a few extra goons and zealots would've held. But that's Flash for you, he scanned it and knew that was the perfect time to strike. Nah it was a losing position and Snow took a gamble to try and come back. Flash killed his third, reduced army count constantly and took his own third. In those situations Terran just needs to sit back and macro out to 120-140 supply and move out again and Protoss would not have the tools to stop the push especially in close spawns. Dragoons/Zealots instead of the Stargates may have helped abit but it was still 3 base vs 3 base which is Terran favoured. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4153 Posts
Game 2 - Very tight margin game with marine + scv + vulture vs zealot + probe + dragoon, in these situations if Terran makes just a slight mistake Protoss automatically wins. Great micro as expected from Flash. Game 3 - Expected greedy play from Flash and understandable build from Snow skipping units and robo straight into carriers. I think his plan was to wear Flash down in a long game but underestimated Flash's ability to hit an extremely strong timing push off 3 base. Not sure if Snow forgot the third on Jane Doe has a gas which allowed Flash to win that game. If it was 2 gas Flash never gets enough goliaths. Game 4 - Very optimized no ebay no academy into 6 fact timing from Flash. Brilliant micro from Snow constantly sniping tanks, Flash could have fought better going up the ramp and lost too many tanks there which was key to this game. If Flash kept 3-4 more tanks in that initial fight I think he wins this game. Game 5 - Again 6 fact push from Flash but difference this game was Snow was out of position and should have been standing outside Flash's bridges. Flash micros much better this time and gets a kill on Snow's third. Snow fights on and somehow survives Flash's push on his natural but the position is losing from then on with Flash taking his third. Snow tries to gamble on carriers but Flash is not going to let it slip in these positions. Game 3 - | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10398 Posts
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TMNT
3171 Posts
On May 05 2026 23:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: His Jane Doe build was a pure throw. All he had to do was play standard. Jane Doe is no way a free win for Flash. The map is standing at 57% PvT. It's Protoss favored. But I bet it's Protoss favored if both sides open standard, just like in PvZ. But what do you mean by playing standard? Flash's 13 CC then 3rd CC at what, like after 5 minutes? pulls him ahead so hard that no standard play can catch up with. To counter that you have to do a punish build, like proxy 2 Gate DT for example (Tulbo would have beaten Flash here). What Snow should have done is not having the 4th way. Maybe that way he'd have more units and win the first fight and snowball from there. Protoss on Carrier tech doesn't need more bases than Terran. | ||
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oxKnu
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Although, that didn't decide the outcome of this series. Flash was better in the end. | ||
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doktordingerdonger
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Qikz
United Kingdom12039 Posts
On May 06 2026 00:03 Uldridge wrote: P needs to reinvent themselves. They have all the tools they need. I am and will always be convinced by this. They need someone like soma or Flash honestly. As much as I hated him and how long ago this was that person was and always will be Jangbi. However many years on and it doesn't feel like any of the current protoss have PvT that stand up to his. FlaSh also played insanely well this series, game 5 was odd as well as Snow barely held on every single time and then decided after holding rather than consolidating he'd double expand and go for 2 stargates. That was never going to end well, FlaSh just had more shit. Great series from both players though. Jane Doe he probably would've won against any other terran, but FlaSh vs Carriers has always been one of his major strong points due to how insanely good his macro is. On May 05 2026 21:13 Peeano wrote: Light vs Flash into Leta vs T would be one of the worst things this great ASL can end like. As a TvT fan I disagree haha, all three of those players have historically had really good and interesting TvT playstyles. If you were going to have 2 TvTs to finish the ASL, having it be those players (given FanTaSy is never coming back to save me) is not a terrible outcome. I think Light definitely has a chance to take FlaSh here, all he has to do is push for longer games if he can as FlaSh is very clearly trying to end games sooner rather than later to protect his wrists. Light is also a great TvT player so even if FlaSh is one of the old gods, both Light and Leta have a strong chance to take him out now. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4262 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20663 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
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Kraekkling
666 Posts
Soma will be waiting for you in the finals buddy | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1233 Posts
On May 06 2026 01:20 TMNT wrote: Jane Doe is no way a free win for Flash. The map is standing at 57% PvT. It's Protoss favored. But I bet it's Protoss favored if both sides open standard, just like in PvZ. But what do you mean by playing standard? Flash's 13 CC then 3rd CC at what, like after 5 minutes? pulls him ahead so hard that no standard play can catch up with. To counter that you have to do a punish build, like proxy 2 Gate DT for example (Tulbo would have beaten Flash here). What Snow should have done is not having the 4th way. Maybe that way he'd have more units and win the first fight and snowball from there. Protoss on Carrier tech doesn't need more bases than Terran. I meant SnOw should have played standard all the way from the start. SnOw didn't play like he does usually. He was playimg reactively all the way from the start instead of his usual style of taking the initiative. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5556 Posts
On May 06 2026 02:52 Last Romantic wrote: Good series, but Snow can't ignore 1/3 of the Protoss tech tree against Flash... True, in a Bo5 it shouldn't hurt to play DT/HT/Arbiter at least once before reaching 2 losses. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8078 Posts
On May 06 2026 03:44 Peeano wrote: True, in a Bo5 it shouldn't hurt to play DT/HT/Arbiter at least once before reaching 2 losses. I don’t know, Snow strength really is in his reavers, i think expecting to beat Flash with Arbiter would have been very optimistic. If it was not for some unbelievable reaver control this series would have looked like a complete demolition. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5556 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5556 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20663 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia959 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
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