EPT[ASL17] Semifinal B - Page 13
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Nirli
Bulgaria378 Posts
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sas.Sziky
Hungary332 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
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Smorrie
Netherlands2925 Posts
SK focused on restricting Snow's scouting ability througout the whole series while throwing a variety of threats at him. Shine consistently uses crazy all-in builds all the time. ZeLoT is all-in every single game. If it was that easy they would've surely won some ASL titles already. Since they aren't beating your favorite players nobody cares either. | ||
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moktira
Ireland1546 Posts
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bw2ku
24 Posts
On April 17 2024 19:58 Magic Powers wrote: The fact that Snow was eliminated by SK isn't surprising. SK is a beast of a player with an incredible mindset, and yesterday he made the comeback of his career. After game two his theoretical odds were somewhere in the 20% region, yet he didn't collapse under the pressure. That's the most noteworthy thing about the match. Not PvZ imbalances, not Snow's failure to advance. SK should be the talk of the day. This 100%. Instead of attempting to downplay how monstrous Soulkey played (especially after the first 2 losses) vs the force that is Snow, he should be celebrated. So much unwarranted salt. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
In the history of BW starleagues (MSL, OSL, ASL), protoss has won 17 finals, terran 34, and zerg 27 (including ASL 17). If you look at results from just the past 20 years, protoss has won 10, terran 26 and zerg 27 (lol) The game cant, won't and shouldn't be changed at this point, but the fact people still think that protoss is just as good as T/Z but the best protoss players just 'suck for some reason' compared to the other races' best players is hilarious. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
On April 17 2024 21:59 moktira wrote: As disappointed as I am in that, and those quick last 2 games in particular, I just want to say what a fantastic commentator Ret was and I hope we hear him more frequently. Agreed. It was awesome to hear from Ret. I'd love to see a three way cast with him back in during the Finals. All casters have been fantastic this season! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4228 Posts
On April 17 2024 23:54 Brett wrote: People can talk up individual players as much as they want, but this pattern has been in play for a long time now. In the history of BW starleagues (MSL, OSL, ASL), protoss has won 17 finals, terran 34, and zerg 27 (including ASL 17). If you look at results from just the past 20 years, protoss has won 10, terran 26 and zerg 27 (lol) The game cant, won't and shouldn't be changed at this point, but the fact people still think that protoss is just as good as T/Z but the best protoss players just 'suck for some reason' compared to the other races' best players is hilarious. This. This. And this once more. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On April 17 2024 23:54 Brett wrote: People can talk up individual players as much as they want, but this pattern has been in play for a long time now. In the history of BW starleagues (MSL, OSL, ASL), protoss has won 17 finals, terran 34, and zerg 27 (including ASL 17). If you look at results from just the past 20 years, protoss has won 10, terran 26 and zerg 27 (lol) The game cant, won't and shouldn't be changed at this point, but the fact people still think that protoss is just as good as T/Z but the best protoss players just 'suck for some reason' compared to the other races' best players is hilarious. Tourneys don't matter anymore for these progamers. Protoss is the best race online which is favorable for current meta. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On April 17 2024 16:20 XenOsky wrote: the problem is not %, is the fact that zvp gameplay feels toxic as fuck if ure toss... imagine pvt 4 gate goon all in working 52% of the time vs terran and if it doesnt work, you can still manage to get into decent midgame position or the same situation with darktemplar rush... is not a skill issue, is that z>p, period. any toss with 50%++ win rate pvz is a super hero at pro level. atm i can think of bisu and snow with 50%+ winrate vs z, but are the other protoss pros just bad? or it just happens that all zerg pros are some super genius zvp players for like 20+ years? There are many toss at 50+ win rate.. Snow was something like 70% win rate in March and Min/Bisu also have great win rates. They even say PvT is harder than PvZ. I can't take you seriously anymore. You're a foreigner who is not in the korean scene so I get that you don't know what's going on. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6794 Posts
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On April 18 2024 00:27 Shinokuki wrote: Tourneys don't matter anymore for these progamers. Protoss is the best race online which is favorable for current meta. Online is where 99.9% of competition happens. Snow(and Light and soma) has been the best online player since mid 2022. But Offline is the biggest chunk of cash and the best advertisement for one's brand. In offline Soulkey is without a doubt the most clutch from behind player. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6794 Posts
On April 18 2024 01:12 RJBTV wrote: Online is where 99.9% of competition happens. Snow(and soma) has been the best online player since mid 2022. But Offline is the biggest chunk of cash and the best advertisement for one's brand. In offline Soulkey is without a doubt the most clutch from behind player. People dont praise enough how icy SK is offline. He did it in SC2 0-3 vs Innovation and did it multiple times in ASL too. Guy is Jordan offline. I dont think he ever loss a final offline actually. | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On April 18 2024 01:16 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: People dont praise enough how icy SK is offline. He did it in SC2 0-3 vs Innovation and did it multiple times in ASL too. Guy is Jordan offline. I dont think he ever loss a final offline actually. I used to praise JYJ for being stone ice cold too but Soulkey brings it to a whole other level of ice cold. | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
Precisely! BW is imbalanced at the very top, no other game would go unpatched which such ridiculous numbers for 1 of the 3 races, not to mention the existence of a completely broken mirror that only some bw fanatics but no casual viewer wants to watch. | ||
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Ideas
United States8148 Posts
On April 18 2024 01:16 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: People dont praise enough how icy SK is offline. He did it in SC2 0-3 vs Innovation and did it multiple times in ASL too. Guy is Jordan offline. I dont think he ever loss a final offline actually. True. If his ZvZ was better he might have a few more golds tbh. Although to be fair you could say that about a lot of players with 1 particular MU. | ||
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Ideas
United States8148 Posts
On April 18 2024 01:33 Rainalcar wrote: Precisely! BW is imbalanced at the very top, no other game would go unpatched which such ridiculous numbers for 1 of the 3 races, not to mention the existence of a completely broken mirror that only some bw fanatics but no casual viewer wants to watch. I would be interested in seeing compiled Bo5 and Bo7 win percentages offline in PvZ for OSL/MSL/ASL. I know that between all the finals, Protoss has only ever beaten zerg 3 times (first 2 OSL finals in 2000, then bisu over savior in 2007). Could do it myself but I'm too lazy lol. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5203 Posts
On April 18 2024 01:42 Ideas wrote: I would be interested in seeing compiled Bo5 and Bo7 win percentages offline in PvZ for OSL/MSL/ASL. I know that between all the finals, Protoss has only ever beaten zerg 3 times (first 2 OSL finals in 2000, then bisu over savior in 2007). Could do it myself but I'm too lazy lol. Don't let your ideas be ideas, Ideas. Just. Do it! | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States721 Posts
I'm stoked for Hero and Soulkey. They both deserve their spots and I'm going to enjoy watching the finals. | ||
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