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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2811 Posts
April 21 2024 18:52 GMT
#381
On April 21 2024 22:57 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
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On April 16 2024 22:08 kodecopas wrote:
no Last no Flash no Fantasy = Zerg dominance

I always said be careful what you wish for; that when Flash leaves, enjoy ur ZvZ finals.
Only just started watching ASL again; and when I looked up past results, I was very surprised we got three Terran champs after Flash left. And two of them were TvT finals no less. I couldn’t believe it. And it seems like I’m not the only one. Tastosis mentioned that we’re now “back to a normal state” where “the players expected to win are winning”; and iirc they specifically mentioned the JyJ and Royal championships.
No offense to JyJ, but can someone explain what the heck happened?

JYJ and Royal both had their fair share of luck by playing only (mostly?) TvZ until the finals. To be fair they did play very well in those seasons but since then they haven't been able to retain the form.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
April 21 2024 19:13 GMT
#382
On April 22 2024 03:52 TMNT wrote:
JYJ and Royal both had their fair share of luck by playing only (mostly?) TvZ until the finals. To be fair they did play very well in those seasons but since then they haven't been able to retain the form.


Yeah, neither of their tournament wins felt "deserved" the way Soulkeys did last season or mini, Larva, Light or Queens victories prior.

They are great players and had a great tournament, but felt a little bit "lucky" in a lot of ways.
nah
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44179 Posts
April 22 2024 11:03 GMT
#383
This series was really fun as expected. That game 3 was a banger
this is a quote
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2811 Posts
April 23 2024 15:05 GMT
#384
By the way Troy has now been removed from the map pool of Proleague. I guess Shinokuki can be less concerned about Zerg players wellfare now.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2043 Posts
April 23 2024 16:19 GMT
#385
On April 22 2024 03:52 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2024 22:57 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On April 16 2024 22:08 kodecopas wrote:
no Last no Flash no Fantasy = Zerg dominance

I always said be careful what you wish for; that when Flash leaves, enjoy ur ZvZ finals.
Only just started watching ASL again; and when I looked up past results, I was very surprised we got three Terran champs after Flash left. And two of them were TvT finals no less. I couldn’t believe it. And it seems like I’m not the only one. Tastosis mentioned that we’re now “back to a normal state” where “the players expected to win are winning”; and iirc they specifically mentioned the JyJ and Royal championships.
No offense to JyJ, but can someone explain what the heck happened?

JYJ and Royal both had their fair share of luck by playing only (mostly?) TvZ until the finals. To be fair they did play very well in those seasons but since then they haven't been able to retain the form.

JyJ was a bit fortunate I think, but both players still had pretty hard knock-out routes. RoyaL was probably just the best player at that time. He even carried on dominating for a bit afterwards, in KCM etc. For about three months he looked almost unplayble. Since then he's been good, but a little of the magic seems to have vanished. JyJ never made it to that level I think.
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Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands944 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-23 17:47:38
April 23 2024 17:46 GMT
#386
On April 24 2024 01:19 Simplistik wrote:
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On April 22 2024 03:52 TMNT wrote:
On April 21 2024 22:57 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On April 16 2024 22:08 kodecopas wrote:
no Last no Flash no Fantasy = Zerg dominance

I always said be careful what you wish for; that when Flash leaves, enjoy ur ZvZ finals.
Only just started watching ASL again; and when I looked up past results, I was very surprised we got three Terran champs after Flash left. And two of them were TvT finals no less. I couldn’t believe it. And it seems like I’m not the only one. Tastosis mentioned that we’re now “back to a normal state” where “the players expected to win are winning”; and iirc they specifically mentioned the JyJ and Royal championships.
No offense to JyJ, but can someone explain what the heck happened?

JYJ and Royal both had their fair share of luck by playing only (mostly?) TvZ until the finals. To be fair they did play very well in those seasons but since then they haven't been able to retain the form.

JyJ was a bit fortunate I think, but both players still had pretty hard knock-out routes. RoyaL was probably just the best player at that time. He even carried on dominating for a bit afterwards, in KCM etc. For about three months he looked almost unplayble. Since then he's been good, but a little of the magic seems to have vanished. JyJ never made it to that level I think.


JyJ lost the fire. He's been less active and plays much less since his win. Before and leading up to his win he was grinding. Royal very much was the best Terran for a short bit. He was innovating, his mechanics were crazy, his playstyle was high risk high reward. I think Royal's style has been figured out and the maps just aren't his vibe. Next Map pool might very much be nice for him.
JDON MY SOUL!
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
April 25 2024 13:53 GMT
#387
On April 21 2024 17:48 Barneyk wrote:
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On April 21 2024 02:58 whylessness wrote:

why are people still so obsessed with the kespa era?


When was the last time you experienced something like this?



Just look at that crowd...

Yeah, I used to show that video to people to explain how big this obscure game I was watching all the time was in Korea.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4120 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-26 06:41:37
April 26 2024 06:35 GMT
#388
On April 22 2024 01:14 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2024 22:57 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
On April 16 2024 22:08 kodecopas wrote:
no Last no Flash no Fantasy = Zerg dominance

I always said be careful what you wish for; that when Flash leaves, enjoy ur ZvZ finals.
Only just started watching ASL again; and when I looked up past results, I was very surprised we got three Terran champs after Flash left. And two of them were TvT finals no less. I couldn’t believe it. And it seems like I’m not the only one. Tastosis mentioned that we’re now “back to a normal state” where “the players expected to win are winning”; and iirc they specifically mentioned the JyJ and Royal championships.
No offense to JyJ, but can someone explain what the heck happened?


Yeah, I was surprised as well that 3 Terrans won post FlaSh. Terrans used to say their race isn't good, just FlaSh is good. Then other Terrans won a bunch of ASLs and you don't hear that argument so much anymore.

Terran is the best race when there is a lot of time to prepare for specific maps and opponents in my opinion and this is where the BW arguable imbalances come from. I believe that we would've had completely different results if the tournaments were fast paced with several series per day with unknown opponents. It doesnt mean it would have been better or more balanced, but it would have been very different

However, since the game is pretty balance even like this, I would assume that we would have more even titles distribution between the races if we had "fast" tournaments
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2906 Posts
April 27 2024 02:42 GMT
#389
On April 24 2024 00:05 TMNT wrote:
By the way Troy has now been removed from the map pool of Proleague. I guess Shinokuki can be less concerned about Zerg players wellfare now.


Thank god. Troy is a garbage map lol.
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