BSL Season 18 ladder stage is over, both on Battle.Net and on ShieldBattery! However, I cannot resist the impression that the changes in the rules we introduced harmed some players from the lower BSL divisions. First of all, I’m 100% sure that by adding the rules “no smurfs, no resets, you have to register with 0:0 score” we increased the value of ProLeague, because the players who qualified there proved beyond any doubt that they deserve to be there. There are a lot of players who don’t treat BSL as only ProLeague and want to have fun with it, meet new players and find practice partners. For example, if someone wanted to qualify to ChoboLeague they just needed to play 25 games in the BSL ladder, but if they reset their account by mistake or didn’t fully read and follow the rules, they can’t do it anymore due to disqualification. On one hand it’s right and everyone needs to follow the rules, on the other hand we are here to unite, not divide. That’s why we understand that having such strict rules changes might be hard to notice for some people, and as it’s the first season, we decided to take a unique step towards Gosu, Hasu and Chobo players.
That’s why TODAY we started a short, 2-week long ladder stage on ShieldBattery, open for everyone who didn’t qualify to ProLeague. As this special ladder phase will run for 12 days, you have to play at least 20 games to qualify.
So, BSL18 TieBreaker Ladder starts TODAY, it will end 28.03.2024
All the other players who play at least 20 games can play in ChoboLeague
You have to confirm your participation in BSL Discord, deadline 31 March
REMEMBER FOR FUTURE
You have to register to BSL18 TieBreaker Ladder with 0:0 stats
You have to play on your real nickname (no smurfs)
You can’t reset your account
To respect the effort of the players who played in Battle.Net ladder, all TOP16 players WHO CONFIRMED THEIR PARTICIPATION IN BSL Discord will qualify to GosuLeague, but we will extend participants this season from 16, to 24 players.
GOSULEAGUE
24 players total: 16 from B.Net ladder + 8 from BSL18 TieBreaker ShieldBattery ladder. 16 Qualified & confirmed players via B.Net ladder: Izu, Aejong, Crekos, dxtr13, Napoleon, Alm, GoKu, Lancerx, OCtZerg, WorsT, k0nias, Kakan, Zazu, Cava, Rancor, HarDi. 8 Qualified & confirmed players via SB ladder: TBC. Format: [RO24] 4 groups with 6 players – matches bo1. Top 4 of each group advance to RO16. [RO16] 4 groups with 4 players – matches bo3. Top 2 of each group advance to RO8. [RO8] Single Elimination – matches bo5. 3rd place match and final bo7.
HASULEAGUE
32 players total: Next 24 from B.Net ladder + 8 from BSL18 TieBreaker ShieldBattery ladder. 24 Qualified & confirmed players via B.Net ladder: nOm.nomad, MetodMan, Venom, Karate, Tousan, Kik0, Squizen, Klauso, Jumper, White, GB, VietnamT, Rotj, earob, GosuFer, bayagster, Anto, Fischei, infernal, Wizard, doLife, 2sxy4u, ambient, Bugg. 8 Qualified & confirmed players via SB ladder: TBC. Format: [RO32] 8 groups with 4 players – matches bo1. Top 2 of each group advance to RO16. [RO16] 4 groups with 4 players – WB bo1, LB bo3. Top 2 of each group advance to RO8. [RO8] Single Elimination – bo5. Final bo7.
CHOBOLEAGUE
All other players with 20 games minimum and who confirm their participation in BSL Discord will qualify for ChoboLeague.
These lists are not final and can change as the confirmations are still open - if you are not in GosuLeague or HasuLeague and feel like you deserve to be there, then start laddering up!
Current qualified HasuLeague players are eligible to qualify for GosuLeague by getting top 8 on ShieldBattery; ChoboLeague players can qualify for GosuLeague by getting top 8, or HasuLeague by getting top 16 on ShieldBattery. Some information about BSL lower leagues:
Group draw for all leagues will happen on April 02
GosuLeague will consist of TOP24 (16 B.Net + 8 SB) confirmed players who didn’t qualify for ProLeague
HasuLeague will consist of TOP32 (24 B.Net + 8 SB) confirmed players who didn’t qualify for Pro or Gosu
TOP3 players from BSL18 GosuLeague will have seed into BSL19 ProLeague
Playdays for all the leagues are planned for April 06, then April 13, April 20 and May 04
All the matches from BSL18 GosuLeague will be casted on my main channel, most likely each Wednesday and Thursday 20:00 CEST
I am player from the lower BSL leagues i think that this is not a good decision , how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery? I can see that you are "giving" 16 spots to people that ladder on SB. Most of the people that played SB ladder wanted to qualify for Pro League and if they didnt, they are good enough to get their MMR high enough on Battle.net for the GosuLeague. I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there. You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ? Before taking such decisions, make your "homework" ,use some reference and check how many of the players in the lower leagues actually play SB, because from my experience SB is high skill gap. Imagine i am 1600 MMR player and i qualify for the GosuLeague, just because not a lot of people laddered on SB. So, will my games be funny to watch? I dont think so. And dont get me wrong i ADMIRE your work and i think that without the foreign Brood War scene would be death!
So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues? It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: I am player from the lower BSL leagues i think that this is not a good decision , how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery? I can see that you are "giving" 16 spots to people that ladder on SB. Most of the people that played SB ladder wanted to qualify for Pro League and if they didnt, they are good enough to get their MMR high enough on Battle.net for the GosuLeague. I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there. You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ? Before taking such decisions, make your "homework" ,use some reference and check how many of the players in the lower leagues actually play SB, because from my experience SB is high skill gap. Imagine i am 1600 MMR player and i qualify for the GosuLeague, just because not a lot of people laddered on SB. So, will my games be funny to watch? I dont think so. And dont get me wrong i ADMIRE your work and i think that without the foreign Brood War scene would be death!
I have exactly the same mind set as you are sir. When we was discussing about making this additional ladder stage we was afraid that the fact of inactivity might be the case. Although we decided that it's better to give this chance for all the players. We constructed the format the way that noone from bnet ladder will not be hurt by it. I know it's a bet on players being active, but I want to make that bet, for the sake of fairness.
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote: So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues? It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.
players who played in bnet ladder don't need to ladder anymore if they don't want to increase their position in rankings. For example if you are in Hasuleague, you can try to get to Gosuleague, but even if you will fail you will still be located in Hasu
I hope the translator is an option for everyone. Also this ladder will increase awarness of our current rules.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: I am player from the lower BSL leagues i think that this is not a good decision , how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery? I can see that you are "giving" 16 spots to people that ladder on SB. Most of the people that played SB ladder wanted to qualify for Pro League and if they didnt, they are good enough to get their MMR high enough on Battle.net for the GosuLeague. I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there. You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ? Before taking such decisions, make your "homework" ,use some reference and check how many of the players in the lower leagues actually play SB, because from my experience SB is high skill gap. Imagine i am 1600 MMR player and i qualify for the GosuLeague, just because not a lot of people laddered on SB. So, will my games be funny to watch? I dont think so. And dont get me wrong i ADMIRE your work and i think that without the foreign Brood War scene would be death!
I have exactly the same mind set as you are sir. When we was discussing about making this additional ladder stage we was afraid that the fact of inactivity might be the case. Although we decided that it's better to give this chance for all the players. We constructed the format the way that noone from bnet ladder will not be hurt by it. I know it's a bet on players being active, but I want to make that bet, for the sake of fairness.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery?
It's true; SB is not a very active ladder, but it's mostly because B.Net ladder is functional. If B.Net ladder were to be disabled then much more players would likely migrate over. Nobody really has any reason or motivation to play SB to qualify for BSL tours - it's why the vast majority of players qualify via B.Net.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there.
A fair point, but it only follows from the premise of your first point if your first point is absolutely true and not conditional. If SB has more players participating in ladder due to this TieBreaker ladder, then your argument on detriment of quality is dimished somewhat. There is ofc no guarantee more players will result in Gosuleague worthy players gaining the spots, but its a great opportunity for those who should be in Gosuleague, to be in Gosuleague.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ?
It's a special one-time event due to the unforeseen consequences that disqualified players (resets etc), it's not really splitting the playerbase but actually giving those players that slipped up (and everyone else) a second chance to improve their current standing.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: from my experience SB is high skill gap.
Then at least there will be some Gosuleague worthy players :D
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote: So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues?
No. If you've already laddered on B.Net and confirmed participation then you don't need to do anything else. This TieBreaker ladder is a second chance for those who fell victim to the rule change and were disqualified from B.Net ladder. It's also an opportunity for those who have missed out on Gosu/Hasu qualification to gain qualification for those tournaments.
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote: It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.
First ladder attempt counts and its very clear in the post that 16 players have already qualified for Gosuleague, and 24 to Hasuleague. TieBreaker ladder on SB won't 'override' any current standings of qualified players unless a qualified player participates in TieBreaker ladder and qualifys for the next tournament up.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery?
It's true; SB is not a very active ladder, but it's mostly because B.Net ladder is functional. If B.Net ladder were to be disabled then much more players would likely migrate over. Nobody really has any reason or motivation to play SB to qualify for BSL tours - it's why the vast majority of players qualify via B.Net.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there.
A fair point, but it only follows from the premise of your first point if your first point is absolutely true and not conditional. If SB has more players participating in ladder due to this TieBreaker ladder, then your argument on detriment of quality is dimished somewhat. There is ofc no guarantee more players will result in Gosuleague worthy players gaining the spots, but its a great opportunity for those who should be in Gosuleague, to be in Gosuleague.
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote: You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ?
It's a special one-time event due to the unforeseen consequences that disqualified players (resets etc), it's not really splitting the playerbase but actually giving those players that slipped up (and everyone else) a second chance to improve their current standing.
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote: So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues?
No. If you've already laddered on B.Net and confirmed participation then you don't need to do anything else. This TieBreaker ladder is a second chance for those who fell victim to the rule change and were disqualified from B.Net ladder. It's also an opportunity for those who have missed out on Gosu/Hasu qualification to gain qualification for those tournaments.
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote: It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.
First ladder attempt counts and its very clear in the post that 16 players have already qualified for Gosuleague, and 24 to Hasuleague. TieBreaker ladder on SB won't 'override' any current standings of qualified players unless a qualified player participates in TieBreaker ladder and qualifys for the next tournament up.
Just to be sure, if i haven't played either bnet or sb ladder before today, can I still play in those 12 days? I think yes based on the OP and yours but doesn't hurt to be certain
Also can you please confirm default time for the dates given? (Apr 6, 13 etc)
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote: It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.
First ladder attempt counts and its very clear in the post that 16 players have already qualified for Gosuleague, and 24 to Hasuleague. TieBreaker ladder on SB won't 'override' any current standings of qualified players unless a qualified player participates in TieBreaker ladder and qualifys for the next tournament up
Just to be sure, if i haven't played either bnet or sb ladder before today, can I still play in those 12 days? I think yes based on the OP and yours but doesn't hurt to be certain
Also can you please confirm default time for the dates given? (Apr 6, 13 etc)
Yes. You can still play and increase your ranking through SB;
is there a way to lower the threshold to 15 games? it takes me 10+ mins to find one game on sb, it s a pain to do that 20 times. Maybe just 15 for chobo and 20 for the others or something?
edit: 15mins and counting for game 2 lol, make it 10games please, aint no way i sit there for 20 games in 10 days, that would be about 3.5 hours of waiting for 20 games. 3.5 hours in 10 days! Ridiculous
On March 18 2024 00:00 ZZZero.O wrote: I guess its easier to find games in the evening.
We will discuss 15 games with admins.
thank you!
btw you mean eu evening? i m not in eu TT
edit: whatever i m not doing any more games, getting destroyed by A/S ranks 20 times in a row while waiting 15mins in between each time is pointless. I m at 0-4 as expected, but i had to wait a total 1hr for those. Lowest opponent i faced was 2050 MMR. I was looking at maybe chobo seeing i m now inactive and 1650 ish mmr. But SB is not a good place for sub 1900 (and even then...) unless you 2v2. GL to everyone who survives the grind or is lucky enough to live in a timezone when others are active and games come quickly.
I think this was a good idea for gosu (may be 8 slots is too many but idk), but it s not a great idea for chobo/hasu. It s good to try new things that being said~
GL to BSL and the admins for the tournaments when they start
No seed for the Hasu League Champ? All joking aside, thank you for allowing us to get a 2nd chance. I saw others playing on their BSL account and didn't read the initial post about the 0-0 stats. I'll make sure to take the time and read the post before making an account for future tournaments. BROODWAR FWIGHTING!
On March 17 2024 19:19 ghftrzhfg wrote: Well, this is awkward
Why so?
Welcome to TL.net
I usually don't answer to those bots^^ But they are getting smarter, now they can put a pictures and look like a normal person.
"Its a Bot" The new age hitler argument. Seems easy,
But let me get this straight: You are throwing 3 leagues into 1 ladder. On an platform which already relies on forging your own games "QQ1v1QQQ1v1Q", Now you are looking for ~50 people to play ~15 games. About 750(375) games. I think that combines all games on the Shield Battery ladder (right now). BSL 18 proleague on SB had ~6 active player. Not to mention that the concept of having Masters vs Gold vs Platinum vs Gold vs Master is already mind boggling
On the other hand your "Battlegrounds Weekly" tournament has to be canceled due to a lack of interest. Not sure what scene you are looking for, but it doesnt seems to exist. An existing "amateur" scene would take every opportunity to compete and improve. Even if there isnt a chance of winning
The scene is fine thank you. But I think deep down you know that or you wouldn't come here to complain. Why post if there is truly no scene? Now SB ladder is not a place to compete and improve if you re not already decent, it has nothing to do with the amateur scene opportunities for lower levels. It s just not catering to that demographics.
Count me in if i find the time! I only managed to play 2 games on my bnet account so this is like a second chance to qualify and play some games, very nice initiative!
PS i also love that we will get SB more active again, it's an awesome server
Given the fact that playing on ShieldBattery does not require much effort to install launcher and start playing, I find it only fault of players themselves that they do not want to participate. The reasoning about that it's bad place for lower rank players is out of mind. If everyone started playing there, the ladder would match games on their own level. Moreover they have 10 discord servers, especially CPL one for scheduling games - just get couple of people there and push matchmaking button at the same time. So the real problem are players who are not committed enough to play, which is visible in given leagues since beginning of them by number of walkovers, required reschedules etc. I don't think such players should even play in any tournament with such commitment, cause its pissing off players that are more trustworthy. Right now I can see on that ladder top 8 people who usually cause no troubles and are on the level of GosuLeague, so its working. Personally maybe the only thing I would change was to not ban after 2nd BN ladder stats reset from joining choboleague. But it does not affect that many people afterall, maybe 2 or 3 players below 1950 mmr.
On March 23 2024 19:31 radley wrote: Given the fact that playing on ShieldBattery does not require much effort to install launcher and start playing, I find it only fault of players themselves that they do not want to participate. The reasoning about that it's bad place for lower rank players is out of mind. If everyone started playing there, the ladder would match games on their own level. Moreover they have 10 discord servers, especially CPL one for scheduling games - just get couple of people there and push matchmaking button at the same time. So the real problem are players who are not committed enough to play, which is visible in given leagues since beginning of them by number of walkovers, required reschedules etc. I don't think such players should even play in any tournament with such commitment, cause its pissing off players that are more trustworthy. Right now I can see on that ladder top 8 people who usually cause no troubles and are on the level of GosuLeague, so its working. Personally maybe the only thing I would change was to not ban after 2nd BN ladder stats reset from joining choboleague. But it does not affect that many people afterall, maybe 2 or 3 players below 1950 mmr.
Wouldn't that be matchfixing by selecting your opponent?
I agree with you SB is fine for gosu, for hasu d say meh and for chobo a disaster without coordinating elsewhere beforehand.
@zzzero: so how are we looking for 15 games for chobo? Also please confirm what Radley is saying wouldn't count as matchfixing? Can i just get 4-5 ash or cpl members together and chain our games to make it 15? Or would that be illegal?
You serious now? Matchfixing is when someone losses on purpose. If 10 people sets queue in same time and matchmaking system decides how to pair them, it doesn't differentiate from bn at all, apart from fact that BN ladder sucks with latency and half of games are being played vs random non-bsl accounts.
On March 28 2024 12:05 Skythe wrote: Impossible. I'm searching for a game for more than an hour...
if (like me) you cannot play at peak playing time, whenever that is, the best is to ping people on discord and agree a time and play each other 5 times in a row, that s the only way it worked for me and a few others.
EPT
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