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BSL18 TieBreaker ladder for Gosu, Hasu and Chobo

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ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
March 16 2024 20:59 GMT
#1
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Hello guys!

BSL Season 18 ladder stage is over, both on Battle.Net and on ShieldBattery!
However, I cannot resist the impression that the changes in the rules we introduced harmed some players from the lower BSL divisions. First of all, I’m 100% sure that by adding the rules “no smurfs, no resets, you have to register with 0:0 score” we increased the value of ProLeague, because the players who qualified there proved beyond any doubt that they deserve to be there.
There are a lot of players who don’t treat BSL as only ProLeague and want to have fun with it, meet new players and find practice partners. For example, if someone wanted to qualify to ChoboLeague they just needed to play 25 games in the BSL ladder, but if they reset their account by mistake or didn’t fully read and follow the rules, they can’t do it anymore due to disqualification.
On one hand it’s right and everyone needs to follow the rules, on the other hand we are here to unite, not divide. That’s why we understand that having such strict rules changes might be hard to notice for some people, and as it’s the first season, we decided to take a unique step towards Gosu, Hasu and Chobo players.

That’s why TODAY we started a short, 2-week long ladder stage on ShieldBattery, open for everyone who didn’t qualify to ProLeague. As this special ladder phase will run for 12 days, you have to play at least 20 games to qualify.

So, BSL18 TieBreaker Ladder starts TODAY, it will end 28.03.2024
  • SIGN UP HERE
  • TOP 8 players will get a spot in BSL18 GosuLeague
  • TOP 9-16 will get a spot in BSL18 HasuLeague
  • All the other players who play at least 20 games can play in ChoboLeague
  • You have to confirm your participation in BSL Discord, deadline 31 March

REMEMBER FOR FUTURE
  • You have to register to BSL18 TieBreaker Ladder with 0:0 stats
  • You have to play on your real nickname (no smurfs)
  • You can’t reset your account

To respect the effort of the players who played in Battle.Net ladder, all TOP16 players WHO CONFIRMED THEIR PARTICIPATION IN BSL Discord will qualify to GosuLeague, but we will extend participants this season from 16, to 24 players.


GOSULEAGUE

24 players total: 16 from B.Net ladder + 8 from BSL18 TieBreaker ShieldBattery ladder.
16 Qualified & confirmed players via B.Net ladder:
Izu, Aejong, Crekos, dxtr13, Napoleon, Alm, GoKu, Lancerx, OCtZerg, WorsT, k0nias, Kakan, Zazu, Cava, Rancor, HarDi.
8 Qualified & confirmed players via SB ladder:
TBC.
Format:
[RO24] 4 groups with 6 players – matches bo1. Top 4 of each group advance to RO16.
[RO16] 4 groups with 4 players – matches bo3. Top 2 of each group advance to RO8.
[RO8] Single Elimination – matches bo5.
3rd place match and final bo7.


HASULEAGUE

32 players total: Next 24 from B.Net ladder + 8 from BSL18 TieBreaker ShieldBattery ladder.
24 Qualified & confirmed players via B.Net ladder:
nOm.nomad, MetodMan, Venom, Karate, Tousan, Kik0, Squizen, Klauso, Jumper, White, GB, VietnamT, Rotj, earob, GosuFer, bayagster, Anto, Fischei, infernal, Wizard, doLife, 2sxy4u, ambient, Bugg.
8 Qualified & confirmed players via SB ladder:
TBC.
Format:
[RO32] 8 groups with 4 players – matches bo1. Top 2 of each group advance to RO16.
[RO16] 4 groups with 4 players – WB bo1, LB bo3. Top 2 of each group advance to RO8.
[RO8] Single Elimination – bo5.
Final bo7.


CHOBOLEAGUE

All other players with 20 games minimum and who confirm their participation in BSL Discord will qualify for ChoboLeague.

These lists are not final and can change as the confirmations are still open - if you are not in GosuLeague or HasuLeague and feel like you deserve to be there, then start laddering up!

Current qualified HasuLeague players are eligible to qualify for GosuLeague by getting top 8 on ShieldBattery; ChoboLeague players can qualify for GosuLeague by getting top 8, or HasuLeague by getting top 16 on ShieldBattery.
Some information about BSL lower leagues:
  • Group draw for all leagues will happen on April 02
  • GosuLeague will consist of TOP24 (16 B.Net + 8 SB) confirmed players who didn’t qualify for ProLeague
  • HasuLeague will consist of TOP32 (24 B.Net + 8 SB) confirmed players who didn’t qualify for Pro or Gosu
  • TOP3 players from BSL18 GosuLeague will have seed into BSL19 ProLeague
  • Playdays for all the leagues are planned for April 06, then April 13, April 20 and May 04
  • All the matches from BSL18 GosuLeague will be casted on my main channel, most likely each Wednesday and Thursday 20:00 CEST

I know it's a unique step, but we decided to make this effort for the sake of justice. I hope you like it and will play on SB!
P.S. First cast of Proleague is in - check out the RO24 groups here: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/622298-bsl18-proleague-ro24-group-stage
Much love and good luck!


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VladZhin
Profile Joined January 2024
15 Posts
March 16 2024 21:12 GMT
#2
good initiative
Xagec
Profile Joined January 2008
Bulgaria17 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-16 21:49:27
March 16 2024 21:45 GMT
#3
I am player from the lower BSL leagues i think that this is not a good decision , how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery? I can see that you are "giving" 16 spots to people that ladder on SB. Most of the people that played SB ladder wanted to qualify for Pro League and if they didnt, they are good enough to get their MMR high enough on Battle.net for the GosuLeague. I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there.
You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ? Before taking such decisions, make your "homework" ,use some reference and check how many of the players in the lower leagues actually play SB, because from my experience SB is high skill gap.
Imagine i am 1600 MMR player and i qualify for the GosuLeague, just because not a lot of people laddered on SB. So, will my games be funny to watch? I dont think so.
And dont get me wrong i ADMIRE your work and i think that without the foreign Brood War scene would be death!
Kik0
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1208 Posts
March 16 2024 22:11 GMT
#4
So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues? It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.
Flash should fear Sacsri
MaD[AoV]
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway170 Posts
March 16 2024 22:22 GMT
#5
This is great! ZZZero always delivering \o/
C'est la vie.
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
March 16 2024 22:29 GMT
#6
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
I am player from the lower BSL leagues i think that this is not a good decision , how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery? I can see that you are "giving" 16 spots to people that ladder on SB. Most of the people that played SB ladder wanted to qualify for Pro League and if they didnt, they are good enough to get their MMR high enough on Battle.net for the GosuLeague. I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there.
You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ? Before taking such decisions, make your "homework" ,use some reference and check how many of the players in the lower leagues actually play SB, because from my experience SB is high skill gap.
Imagine i am 1600 MMR player and i qualify for the GosuLeague, just because not a lot of people laddered on SB. So, will my games be funny to watch? I dont think so.
And dont get me wrong i ADMIRE your work and i think that without the foreign Brood War scene would be death!


I have exactly the same mind set as you are sir. When we was discussing about making this additional ladder stage we was afraid that the fact of inactivity might be the case. Although we decided that it's better to give this chance for all the players. We constructed the format the way that noone from bnet ladder will not be hurt by it. I know it's a bet on players being active, but I want to make that bet, for the sake of fairness.
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ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
March 16 2024 22:33 GMT
#7
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote:
So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues? It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.


players who played in bnet ladder don't need to ladder anymore if they don't want to increase their position in rankings. For example if you are in Hasuleague, you can try to get to Gosuleague, but even if you will fail you will still be located in Hasu

I hope the translator is an option for everyone. Also this ladder will increase awarness of our current rules.
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ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
March 16 2024 22:34 GMT
#8
On March 17 2024 07:22 MaD[AoV] wrote:
This is great! ZZZero always delivering \o/


That was a lot of work to make it happen, let's hope we will make SB ladder alive!
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Xagec
Profile Joined January 2008
Bulgaria17 Posts
March 16 2024 22:35 GMT
#9
On March 17 2024 07:29 ZZZero.O wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
I am player from the lower BSL leagues i think that this is not a good decision , how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery? I can see that you are "giving" 16 spots to people that ladder on SB. Most of the people that played SB ladder wanted to qualify for Pro League and if they didnt, they are good enough to get their MMR high enough on Battle.net for the GosuLeague. I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there.
You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ? Before taking such decisions, make your "homework" ,use some reference and check how many of the players in the lower leagues actually play SB, because from my experience SB is high skill gap.
Imagine i am 1600 MMR player and i qualify for the GosuLeague, just because not a lot of people laddered on SB. So, will my games be funny to watch? I dont think so.
And dont get me wrong i ADMIRE your work and i think that without the foreign Brood War scene would be death!


I have exactly the same mind set as you are sir. When we was discussing about making this additional ladder stage we was afraid that the fact of inactivity might be the case. Although we decided that it's better to give this chance for all the players. We constructed the format the way that noone from bnet ladder will not be hurt by it. I know it's a bet on players being active, but I want to make that bet, for the sake of fairness.

Thanks for the answer , lets see how it goes.
Kik0
psyCrowe
Profile Joined December 2007
Scotland197 Posts
March 16 2024 23:11 GMT
#10
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery?


It's true; SB is not a very active ladder, but it's mostly because B.Net ladder is functional. If B.Net ladder were to be disabled then much more players would likely migrate over. Nobody really has any reason or motivation to play SB to qualify for BSL tours - it's why the vast majority of players qualify via B.Net.

On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there.


A fair point, but it only follows from the premise of your first point if your first point is absolutely true and not conditional. If SB has more players participating in ladder due to this TieBreaker ladder, then your argument on detriment of quality is dimished somewhat. There is ofc no guarantee more players will result in Gosuleague worthy players gaining the spots, but its a great opportunity for those who should be in Gosuleague, to be in Gosuleague.

On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ?


It's a special one-time event due to the unforeseen consequences that disqualified players (resets etc), it's not really splitting the playerbase but actually giving those players that slipped up (and everyone else) a second chance to improve their current standing.

On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
from my experience SB is high skill gap.


Then at least there will be some Gosuleague worthy players :D

On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote:
So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues?


No. If you've already laddered on B.Net and confirmed participation then you don't need to do anything else. This TieBreaker ladder is a second chance for those who fell victim to the rule change and were disqualified from B.Net ladder. It's also an opportunity for those who have missed out on Gosu/Hasu qualification to gain qualification for those tournaments.

On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote:
It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.


First ladder attempt counts and its very clear in the post that 16 players have already qualified for Gosuleague, and 24 to Hasuleague. TieBreaker ladder on SB won't 'override' any current standings of qualified players unless a qualified player participates in TieBreaker ladder and qualifys for the next tournament up.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3549 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-16 23:18:54
March 16 2024 23:16 GMT
#11
On March 17 2024 08:11 psyCrowe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
how many people from Chobo/Hasu leagues do you think actually play on Shield battery?


It's true; SB is not a very active ladder, but it's mostly because B.Net ladder is functional. If B.Net ladder were to be disabled then much more players would likely migrate over. Nobody really has any reason or motivation to play SB to qualify for BSL tours - it's why the vast majority of players qualify via B.Net.

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
I am afraid now some players may get into the top 8 , not because they are better than the others , but due to the lack of players on SB and just because they made 20 games on there.


A fair point, but it only follows from the premise of your first point if your first point is absolutely true and not conditional. If SB has more players participating in ladder due to this TieBreaker ladder, then your argument on detriment of quality is dimished somewhat. There is ofc no guarantee more players will result in Gosuleague worthy players gaining the spots, but its a great opportunity for those who should be in Gosuleague, to be in Gosuleague.

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
You are also saying that the point is to unite but with this "dual" places for ladder dont you feel that you are splitting the player base, to people that play SB and the others that play in Battle.net ?


It's a special one-time event due to the unforeseen consequences that disqualified players (resets etc), it's not really splitting the playerbase but actually giving those players that slipped up (and everyone else) a second chance to improve their current standing.

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 06:45 Xagec wrote:
from my experience SB is high skill gap.


Then at least there will be some Gosuleague worthy players :D

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote:
So do players need to again ladder in order to play in any of these leagues?


No. If you've already laddered on B.Net and confirmed participation then you don't need to do anything else. This TieBreaker ladder is a second chance for those who fell victim to the rule change and were disqualified from B.Net ladder. It's also an opportunity for those who have missed out on Gosu/Hasu qualification to gain qualification for those tournaments.

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote:
It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.


First ladder attempt counts and its very clear in the post that 16 players have already qualified for Gosuleague, and 24 to Hasuleague. TieBreaker ladder on SB won't 'override' any current standings of qualified players unless a qualified player participates in TieBreaker ladder and qualifys for the next tournament up.


Just to be sure, if i haven't played either bnet or sb ladder before today, can I still play in those 12 days? I think yes based on the OP and yours but doesn't hurt to be certain

Also can you please confirm default time for the dates given? (Apr 6, 13 etc)
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psyCrowe
Profile Joined December 2007
Scotland197 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-16 23:29:02
March 16 2024 23:27 GMT
#12
On March 17 2024 08:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
Just to be sure, if i haven't played either bnet or sb ladder before today, can I still play in those 12 days?

Yes. Even if you had played B.Net ladder and SB ladder to try qualify for BSL18, you would still be eligible to play.

On March 17 2024 08:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
Also can you please confirm default time for the dates given? (Apr 6, 13 etc)


I think ZZZero/LML may still need to confirm this (and maps).
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1794 Posts
March 16 2024 23:41 GMT
#13
default time is always 19h CE(S)T for these leagues
LML
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-17 00:18:12
March 17 2024 00:16 GMT
#14
On March 17 2024 07:11 art_of_turtle wrote:
It's not clear whether the first ladder attempt doesn't count or if you're just being very intentionally condescending to players who deleted their account assuming that ladder reset was OK. Which in effect they just got the biggest penalty for lack of reading. Especially if English wasn't their first language.


First ladder attempt counts and its very clear in the post that 16 players have already qualified for Gosuleague, and 24 to Hasuleague. TieBreaker ladder on SB won't 'override' any current standings of qualified players unless a qualified player participates in TieBreaker ladder and qualifys for the next tournament up

Just to be sure, if i haven't played either bnet or sb ladder before today, can I still play in those 12 days? I think yes based on the OP and yours but doesn't hurt to be certain

Also can you please confirm default time for the dates given? (Apr 6, 13 etc)


Yes. You can still play and increase your ranking through SB;
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ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-17 00:21:19
March 17 2024 00:19 GMT
#15
nvm, it was answered already.

P.S. Oliwka TOP!
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Profile Joined March 2024
1 Post
March 17 2024 10:19 GMT
#16
Well, this is awkward
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psyCrowe
Profile Joined December 2007
Scotland197 Posts
March 17 2024 11:33 GMT
#17
On March 17 2024 19:19 ghftrzhfg wrote:
Well, this is awkward
[image loading]

Why so?

Welcome to TL.net
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
March 17 2024 13:18 GMT
#18
On March 17 2024 20:33 psyCrowe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2024 19:19 ghftrzhfg wrote:
Well, this is awkward
[image loading]

Why so?

Welcome to TL.net


I usually don't answer to those bots^^ But they are getting smarter, now they can put a pictures and look like a normal person.
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3549 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-17 14:53:08
March 17 2024 14:44 GMT
#19
is there a way to lower the threshold to 15 games? it takes me 10+ mins to find one game on sb, it s a pain to do that 20 times. Maybe just 15 for chobo and 20 for the others or something?

edit: 15mins and counting for game 2 lol, make it 10games please, aint no way i sit there for 20 games in 10 days, that would be about 3.5 hours of waiting for 20 games. 3.5 hours in 10 days! Ridiculous
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ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1618 Posts
March 17 2024 15:00 GMT
#20
I guess its easier to find games in the evening.

We will discuss 15 games with admins.
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