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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
September 12 2023 21:24 GMT
#141
Sharp is actually 5-1 vs Mini in the last 3 months. Not sure who's the favorite here.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3096 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 22:18:33
September 12 2023 21:26 GMT
#142
For me, a Mini vs Rush or Mini vs SoulKey finals is desirable.

Pretty sad that Bisu and Best played poorly but I've come to kind of expect it. Just need Mini to at least get ro4 and I'll be happy.
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
September 12 2023 21:28 GMT
#143
Sharp has really good scouting, which will serve him well vs mini.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
September 12 2023 21:39 GMT
#144
I'm actually in favor of a Rush vs Sharp finals , just for the banter lol.
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
September 12 2023 21:41 GMT
#145
On September 13 2023 06:24 TMNT wrote:
Sharp is actually 5-1 vs Mini in the last 3 months. Not sure who's the favorite here.

Much as I root for Sharp, I have to say Mini is the clear favorite in a tournament setting where he's gonna come out with his trademark specialized builds

Sharp is not well-known for his optimization and decision-making in the early game, and his marine control vs zealots is very inconsistent

He also is one of the worst among the Terran pros at doing cheese rushes vs. nexus first builds

the big danger is him getting mentally out of whack if Mini pulls off a few early set wins due to shenanigans
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 23:35:48
September 12 2023 23:34 GMT
#146
On September 13 2023 06:41 redknights wrote:
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On September 13 2023 06:24 TMNT wrote:
Sharp is actually 5-1 vs Mini in the last 3 months. Not sure who's the favorite here.

Much as I root for Sharp, I have to say Mini is the clear favorite in a tournament setting where he's gonna come out with his trademark specialized builds

Sharp is not well-known for his optimization and decision-making in the early game, and his marine control vs zealots is very inconsistent

He also is one of the worst among the Terran pros at doing cheese rushes vs. nexus first builds

the big danger is him getting mentally out of whack if Mini pulls off a few early set wins due to shenanigans


Sharp actually improved a lot on both his early optimization and decision making. While everyone else was already microing their mining scvs he wasn't, but now he is. He was specifically mocked for it amongst korean pros and he actually took that as a motivation to improve.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
September 12 2023 23:46 GMT
#147
Sharp played really well, really liked the decisiveness on Apocalypse.

Very sad that Best did not make it out. I dont have high hopes for Mini so I think Protoss is just washed unless Flash comes back and race switches.

Ro8 looking good otherwise! I hope Action vs Effort goes late game ZvZ. Top side bracket looking great too, I think both Rush and JyJ TvZ is fun to watch.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19300 Posts
September 13 2023 01:25 GMT
#148
These sure are terrible maps for PvZ…

Grats to Sharp though. It’s really impressive that he advanced.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19300 Posts
September 13 2023 01:26 GMT
#149
On September 13 2023 01:48 RogerChillingworth wrote:
[image loading]


Looks like:
hero, soulkey, mini, effort with effort over soulkey in the finals.
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
September 13 2023 02:41 GMT
#150
I expect Action to choke vs effort... it would be great to see him finally win but I am not optimistic! Hoping Mini advances as well.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
September 13 2023 03:18 GMT
#151
Damn the top bracket is STACKED lmao. Mini couldn't ask for a better bracket to make the final (given the players left in the tournament) but effort is playing like fire lately so hard to say who comes out on that side.

I swear to god if jyj somehow wins 2 ASLs back-to-back without having to play a protoss in either tournament...

At least the potential of a TvT finals is pretty low.
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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey745 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-13 04:30:32
September 13 2023 04:27 GMT
#152
Hero,SK,Mini,Effort->Hero vs Mini
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
September 13 2023 05:48 GMT
#153
With Flash out of the mix ASL is so hard to predict.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4132 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-13 09:58:37
September 13 2023 09:58 GMT
#154
I am rooting for Hero/SK vs Mini finals, firstly Terrans had enough finals already, secondly both Hero and SK deserve a shot at the title and finally its a great story if the lone protoss makes it till the end
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3113 Posts
September 13 2023 11:26 GMT
#155
On September 13 2023 18:58 M2 wrote:
I am rooting for Hero/SK vs Mini finals, firstly Terrans had enough finals already, secondly both Hero and SK deserve a shot at the title and finally its a great story if the lone protoss makes it till the end

Mini already did it two years ago.
Hero's probably the one who deserves the most given the plethora of times he enter semi and finals
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2094 Posts
September 13 2023 12:54 GMT
#156
If we are talking about fresh winners, then Sharp, Rush and Action have never won a premier solo title.

herO won SSL, Soulkey won KSL, Mini and JyJ ASL, and Effort is the most decorated player left in the draw.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-13 13:19:18
September 13 2023 13:13 GMT
#157
On September 13 2023 11:41 Vasoline73 wrote:
I expect Action to choke vs effort... it would be great to see him finally win but I am not optimistic! Hoping Mini advances as well.

I am of the opinion Action actually has the best and sharpest foundations, mechanics, and standard play out of all the zergs. But as you said, If Action chokes he's done for because then all of the above falls apart under bad decision making. EffOrt on the other hand appears sloppier in comparison albeit not much, he is more diverse and keeps his cool. This set will really come down to Action's form and less so to EffOrt's.

Sharp's polished up his optimization to present day top standards and should be capable of putting up a good fight against Mini. But both Mini and Sharp somewhat suffer from a similar issue Action does, albeit to a lesser degree. Sharp's known for misreading and making bad calls. Mini is known for limit testing too much and turning good situation against him going just a bit too far. If limit testing works he looks like a champion, if it fails he loses lol. Whichever of the two stays most level headed will win.

JyJ is always level headed. I think that's what ultimately pushed him to ASL15 victory. He is also the most well optimized terran with the best macro amongst the terrans. Soulkey on the other hand is a pure mind gamer with solid set-ups, positioning, map work and awareness, but slightly off on his timings and mechanics comparatively to other zergs. So this will largely come down to Soulkey beating JyJ with smarter play. Neither of these two players will choke or throw. They're both cool as ice. To me this one is as tough to call as the next match-up.

Rush vs HerO is almost an impossible one to call. HerO is the most solid all-round zerg but not the best at one aspect. Mechanics almost at Action's level, smart positional play close to Soulkey and the most consistent and solid standard play. Hero doesn't take risks and plays it by the book. Rush is similar in everyway these days but he used to choke so that old habit might show itself although I doubt it.

Predictions:
Ro8:
Action > EffOrt.
Mini > Sharp
JyJ > Soulkey
HerO > Rush

Ro4:
EffOrt > Mini
HerO > JyJ

Finals:
HerO > Mini

I am going to be very wrong about all of the above. This ASL does not care about your thoughts, opinions or predictions. D&D from GOT could take some lessons from this ASL season in diverting expectations.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
September 13 2023 14:57 GMT
#158
I'm getting a headache just thinking about LB for the next round...
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
September 13 2023 15:47 GMT
#159
Though I like Sharp and Acton quite a bit, I hope we can get a Mini vs Effort rematch. Their battle in ASL 7 is one of the all time best ASL series.
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile163 Posts
September 14 2023 05:48 GMT
#160
Ugh, it sucks to have my dudes get eliminated, but oh well, it's to be expected at this point, I'm blaming the maps in the case of BeSt though. I guess I'll be rooting for Sharp or Effort to win it.

Also I might be wrong but I think I remember in ASL 6 or 7 it was said that Effort never lost a bo5, at least until Mini took him out in ASL 7.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
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