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After yesterday's results I'm concerned... Anyways, if Best and either  make it, then we get a balanced Ro8. Sorry action. | ||
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personally rooting for Best and Royal! | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/kGyQ6QY.gif) I hope they can give Action a shorter microphone  | ||
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Come on Best! | ||
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On September 12 2023 19:19 konadora wrote: whoa a teamliquid shoutout thats one of our own, v1 who does the gfx for all the news posts. went to korea for CasterMuse's wedding. | ||
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Big storm drop at the natural. Sharp secures 9. Best on 5 bases. | ||
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Sharp fairly effective Vulture play. Then big push. Best tries to hold with storm and shuttle bombing, but fails. Sharp takes down P natural and third, but only mining one base, Best with an outside chance still? | ||
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konadora
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great offense by Sharp though | ||
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Sharp also holds his base in the centre. Definitely big ASL15 flashback. Best feeling calm? | ||
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Must be emotions because I cannot imagine how a pro player could not know that he was so ahead at that point and just needed to do "anything" other than what he just did. | ||
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On September 12 2023 19:51 Simplistik wrote: Maybe he misjudged how far he was ahead. If he had broken Sharp's natural (with better execution), the game would've been over. Not really, Sharp still had an army, an upgraded army at that. Basic rules of Starcraft don't change, you always need to know where the Terran army is. Everything he did was such an unnecessary risk in a Bo1. | ||
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On September 12 2023 19:53 oxKnu wrote: Not really, Sharp still had an army, an upgraded army at that. Basic rules of Starcraft don't change, you always need to know where the Terran army is. Everything he did was such an unnecessary risk in a Bo1. Sharp's army would've been dead. He held because that's where all his tanks were. Agree that it was unnecessarily risky. | ||
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I think that highlights the struggling Protoss always has in this matchup: lack of vision leading to wrong decision making. | ||
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On September 12 2023 20:00 Kaal wrote: You cannot be playing careless with your base like that when you greed 14cc. You have to save everything you can for the mutas. Just really, really bad by Royal that game. Well played by Action for taking advantage by Royal can play so much better than that. he was going for fast tech, he really just needed to play safe for like 3 mins and gather marines lol he was waaaaay too greedy venturing out his units with no backup in nat... | ||
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prosatan
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 And royal will lose to Best | ||
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Mini has to carry Protoss this season it seems. It's getting worse by each season. | ||
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redknights
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early game mistake w marines? yep dying to mutas? yep | ||
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Sharp breaks two sunkens with 8? marines just before mutas. Kills a bunch of drones and 3 mutas. Action way behind | ||
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well done Sharp  | ||
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GG Sharp did a chair jump in celebration. | ||
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On September 12 2023 20:41 Simplistik wrote: Sharp's next attack shows action the door. GG Sharp did a chair jump in celebration. I'm gonna laugh so hard if the next player is sitting all crooked cuz of it | ||
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On September 12 2023 20:44 Peeano wrote: I'm gonna laugh so hard if the next player is sitting all crooked cuz of it What is it with Terrans doing weird things with chairs after winning ASL series?! | ||
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Are we (PROTOSS) winning?! | ||
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Vs terran they cannot use storms ! AT ALL!! 3 templars and only one storm! Today best and+ Show Spoiler + yesterday bisu... | ||
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On September 12 2023 21:15 Simplistik wrote: Damn work, getting in the way of watching... Are we (PROTOSS) winning?! best bullying royal with mass shuttle style. royal unable to take his third... | ||
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On September 12 2023 21:25 prosatan wrote: What is going on with protoss pros these days ? Vs terran they cannot use storms ! AT ALL!! 3 templars and only one storm! Today best and+ Show Spoiler + yesterday bisu... I wouldn't use storm if all my zealots are already on the tanks. maybe mini would.... | ||
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konadora
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he screwed himself over more than anything else | ||
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2? Yes (9) No (0) If you have time (0) 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2? | ||
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fucking hero probe lol | ||
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that was a bit scary for best lol | ||
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When in doubt, just 3H Hydra. Low risk, high reward. Like 80% of Zerg wins in ZvP this season comes from Hydra build? | ||
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edit: oh baby | ||
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trapped in his base | ||
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feels good, man | ||
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That kind of game can happen on any map though. Best was behind after the early game so he got Lurker contained. This time it's not Hydra opening but he still had to build a bunch of Cannons because Action transitioned to Hydra really quick. Well, guess what? Those Cannons ended up doing more harm than good. And combined with the layout of the entrance like a tunnel, it's just impossible to break out of a Lurker contain. I have more issue with game 2 than game 3 really. | ||
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after 25 years I think the game is finally broken, guys.. | ||
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On September 13 2023 01:15 Simplistik wrote: Dark Origin isn't great, but Invader is a proper Toss-graveyard. What's the play to defend the natural from two directions? You can sim city to make the two entrances become one. The problem is with that sim city your Cannon placement looks like shit in the case of a Hydra bust, and that's how Rain died to Calm. But two-entrance natural is not the issue. Revolver is like that and it's a Protoss favored map in PvZ. Invader is okay for PvZ I think, currently at 49% which is better than the likes of Polypoid. But can anyone explain to me how Best got contained in game 3? His only notable loss in the early game is the 4 zealot poke which died to Mutas. Just that really? After that he had virtually no units to prevent the contain before it started. And it's not like the move out with 4 zealots is a mistake because what else can you do at that state of the game? | ||
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On September 13 2023 01:48 RogerChillingworth wrote: Not gonna lie, Mini's bracket looks juicy as fuck. All filled with over-achievers that might play more to their level in the elimination rounds and will most likely falter mentally against the opportunistic style of Mini. Hero has looked the best out of everyone but he is the zerg version of Best. Always choking when it matters. PS: I realize Effort fanboys will be triggered but I don't care what anyone says, he is a shadow of the player that won ASL. | ||
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Simplistik
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Could Best have gone reaver to take down the neutral building at the bottom? | ||
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WGT-Baal
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Salty Best threw vs sharp in the first game... But i didnt expect more than one P in the ro8 and it s hard not to be happy for sharp. Mini s bracket is doable though. Top part of the bracket is lit, hard to call | ||
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both tvz can go either ways, heart: hero sk head: oops zvz, plz no and i almost want to put effort slight favorite, just cuz action looks a bit rusty (doesnt play a lot lately it seems) | ||
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https://www.fmkorea.com/index.php?mid=starcraft&document_srl=6177048018 | ||
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redknights
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if Sharp survives against Mini's early game shenanigans, he is slightly favored in a longer game according to Sharp, he does OK against Mini's style because Mini does have the tendency to attack into Sharp's bait tactics I remember one proleague game where Sharp was at 100 supply and came back against Mini who was at 200 supply | ||
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Pretty sad that Bisu and Best played poorly but I've come to kind of expect it. Just need Mini to at least get ro4 and I'll be happy. | ||
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On September 13 2023 06:24 TMNT wrote: Sharp is actually 5-1 vs Mini in the last 3 months. Not sure who's the favorite here. Much as I root for Sharp, I have to say Mini is the clear favorite in a tournament setting where he's gonna come out with his trademark specialized builds Sharp is not well-known for his optimization and decision-making in the early game, and his marine control vs zealots is very inconsistent He also is one of the worst among the Terran pros at doing cheese rushes vs. nexus first builds the big danger is him getting mentally out of whack if Mini pulls off a few early set wins due to shenanigans | ||
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On September 13 2023 06:41 redknights wrote: Much as I root for Sharp, I have to say Mini is the clear favorite in a tournament setting where he's gonna come out with his trademark specialized builds Sharp is not well-known for his optimization and decision-making in the early game, and his marine control vs zealots is very inconsistent He also is one of the worst among the Terran pros at doing cheese rushes vs. nexus first builds the big danger is him getting mentally out of whack if Mini pulls off a few early set wins due to shenanigans Sharp actually improved a lot on both his early optimization and decision making. While everyone else was already microing their mining scvs he wasn't, but now he is. He was specifically mocked for it amongst korean pros and he actually took that as a motivation to improve. | ||
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Very sad that Best did not make it out. I dont have high hopes for Mini so I think Protoss is just washed unless Flash comes back and race switches. Ro8 looking good otherwise! I hope Action vs Effort goes late game ZvZ. Top side bracket looking great too, I think both Rush and JyJ TvZ is fun to watch. | ||
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On September 13 2023 01:48 RogerChillingworth wrote: Looks like: hero, soulkey, mini, effort with effort over soulkey in the finals. | ||
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I swear to god if jyj somehow wins 2 ASLs back-to-back without having to play a protoss in either tournament... At least the potential of a TvT finals is pretty low. | ||
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On September 13 2023 18:58 M2 wrote: I am rooting for Hero/SK vs Mini finals, firstly Terrans had enough finals already, secondly both Hero and SK deserve a shot at the title and finally its a great story if the lone protoss makes it till the end Mini already did it two years ago. Hero's probably the one who deserves the most given the plethora of times he enter semi and finals | ||
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herO won SSL, Soulkey won KSL, Mini and JyJ ASL, and Effort is the most decorated player left in the draw. | ||
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On September 13 2023 11:41 Vasoline73 wrote: I expect Action to choke vs effort... it would be great to see him finally win but I am not optimistic! Hoping Mini advances as well. I am of the opinion Action actually has the best and sharpest foundations, mechanics, and standard play out of all the zergs. But as you said, If Action chokes he's done for because then all of the above falls apart under bad decision making. EffOrt on the other hand appears sloppier in comparison albeit not much, he is more diverse and keeps his cool. This set will really come down to Action's form and less so to EffOrt's. Sharp's polished up his optimization to present day top standards and should be capable of putting up a good fight against Mini. But both Mini and Sharp somewhat suffer from a similar issue Action does, albeit to a lesser degree. Sharp's known for misreading and making bad calls. Mini is known for limit testing too much and turning good situation against him going just a bit too far. If limit testing works he looks like a champion, if it fails he loses lol. Whichever of the two stays most level headed will win. JyJ is always level headed. I think that's what ultimately pushed him to ASL15 victory. He is also the most well optimized terran with the best macro amongst the terrans. Soulkey on the other hand is a pure mind gamer with solid set-ups, positioning, map work and awareness, but slightly off on his timings and mechanics comparatively to other zergs. So this will largely come down to Soulkey beating JyJ with smarter play. Neither of these two players will choke or throw. They're both cool as ice. To me this one is as tough to call as the next match-up. Rush vs HerO is almost an impossible one to call. HerO is the most solid all-round zerg but not the best at one aspect. Mechanics almost at Action's level, smart positional play close to Soulkey and the most consistent and solid standard play. Hero doesn't take risks and plays it by the book. Rush is similar in everyway these days but he used to choke so that old habit might show itself although I doubt it. Predictions: Ro8: Action > EffOrt. Mini > Sharp JyJ > Soulkey HerO > Rush Ro4: EffOrt > Mini HerO > JyJ Finals: HerO > Mini I am going to be very wrong about all of the above. This ASL does not care about your thoughts, opinions or predictions. D&D from GOT could take some lessons from this ASL season in diverting expectations. | ||
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Also I might be wrong but I think I remember in ASL 6 or 7 it was said that Effort never lost a bo5, at least until Mini took him out in ASL 7. | ||
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On September 14 2023 14:48 Galacsia wrote: Ugh, it sucks to have my dudes get eliminated, but oh well, it's to be expected at this point, I'm blaming the maps in the case of BeSt though. I guess I'll be rooting for Sharp or Effort to win it. Also I might be wrong but I think I remember in ASL 6 or 7 it was said that Effort never lost a bo5, at least until Mini took him out in ASL 7. Every player pretty much that I care about has been eliminated so I feel your pain. Being an ex-SKT fan this season is pain. EDIT: Although I do have JyJ left at least. | ||
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On September 13 2023 14:48 reincremate wrote: With Flash out of the mix ASL is so hard to predict. Hard to pick which T will win | ||
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On September 14 2023 14:48 Galacsia wrote: Ugh, it sucks to have my dudes get eliminated, but oh well, it's to be expected at this point, I'm blaming the maps in the case of BeSt though. I guess I'll be rooting for Sharp or Effort to win it. Also I might be wrong but I think I remember in ASL 6 or 7 it was said that Effort never lost a bo5, at least until Mini took him out in ASL 7. He lost a couple Bo5s in the kespa era (to calm in avalon MSL, to iris in GSL S3, to light in the bigfile MSL). You might be remembering hearing that he's never list to Flash in a Bo5, aka he beat him 3 different times lol. | ||
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 Seoul Cup - OGN Super Match you could argue it doesn't count lol | ||
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Sharp has looked surprisingly good! He always struck me as a player who has the early game on lock but utterly loses his game sense when the game demands he take more than 3 bases. That's probably still the case, but he's been winning early so who cares lol. Rush has looked quite capable. Hero's muta control has been savage. Mini is just playing his absurd micro coinflippy awkwardness like usual and it's always a joy to watch him make his opponents want to tear their hair out. | ||
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On September 15 2023 10:19 ThunderJunk wrote: I want Effort to win. I really do. He's been playing so well. Inspirational, really. Sharp has looked surprisingly good! He always struck me as a player who has the early game on lock but utterly loses his game sense when the game demands he take more than 3 bases. That's probably still the case, but he's been winning early so who cares lol. Rush has looked quite capable. Hero's muta control has been savage. Mini is just playing his absurd micro coinflippy awkwardness like usual and it's always a joy to watch him make his opponents want to tear their hair out. If effort meets Mini then he will lose. Against the others I would give him a fair shot. Toughest possible obstacles probably JyJ, Action and Mini. I am actually gonna call Action as the champion. His campy ZvT style works extremely well on most of the maps plus he has some crazy aggressive all ins too which he can use to throw off opponent in a series. His ZvZ is also the one that beat Effort in ro24. | ||
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On September 13 2023 22:13 RJBTV wrote: Predictions: Ro8: Action > EffOrt. Mini > Sharp JyJ > Soulkey HerO > Rush Ro4: EffOrt > Mini HerO > JyJ Finals: HerO > Mini I am going to be very wrong about all of the above. This ASL does not care about your thoughts, opinions or predictions. D&D from GOT could take some lessons from this ASL season in diverting expectations. I mean you are obviously very wrong about all of the above. Action beats Effort in the RO8, yet Effort moves on to the semis, then Effort beats Mini in the semis, but Mini plays in the finals? Yea, that's not quite how these tournaments work... | ||
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Action < EffOrt. Mini > Sharp JyJ > Soulkey HerO > Rush RO4 Effort > Mini Hero > JyJ Finals Hero > Effort | ||
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Hero > Rush Soulkey > JyJ Mini > Sharp Action > Effort 4 Soulkey > Hero Mini > Action 2 Soulkey > Mini | ||
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End the Terran domination, please. Even if it means Rush missing out on fulfiling his destiny as ASL champion once again. Hard not to empathise with Toss these days. The race is at the brink of beng wiped out by genocide. By process of elimination, that means SK-Mini showdown it is! | ||
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