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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Oov, Kwanro and Bisu. I dont see hwasin getting any farther :p
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First time making a post like this.. sorry if it's not the best. :D But no one made one so I thought I might give it a shot.
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United States5262 Posts
It's well done ViRii, but we can only tell if it's a job well done when you follow up and post results immediately after the games. That means if you make threads like these, you have to stay up and watch the games. That's why I know I can't make these threads cause I live in the US Pacific and would fall asleep after maybe 1 or 2 games.
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jkillashark: Yeah... I'm going to do my best to stay up and watch them all and post results immediately. If not, I'll post them like 5 hours later when I wake up. Is that good enough?
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It´s sad to see Hwasin x Bisu played in a Bo3 would be so much fun a Bo5
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man... Bisu better not lose. I'll seriously kill him if he does. I"M COUNTING ON YOU BISU!!!!
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China3334 Posts
this early thread makes me nervous -v- OK, telling myself hwasin spent his friday in beijing and he must be tired.
Bisu bo2 games fighting!
EDIT: hwasin's flight between seoul and beijing reminds me that MBC delays one and half an hour of the live broadcasting. so today's games will start at 20:00 korean time (4:00 am TL Old time).
from MBC Game site: 20:00GOM TV MSL Season3 13회 (16강 2,3set) LIVE
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Bisu is gonna get fucking stomped, and after that Hwasin is gonna get stomped by Kwanro.
It's divinely ordained.
Fuck Bisu.
Savior for president!
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bisu can't lose twice to hwasin.... I hope
+ Show Spoiler +That BO5 last time doesn't count!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Mind Kwanro (I hope! Don't like Light at all) Oh god, this is too hard. 50/50
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On October 20 2007 01:39 freelander wrote:bisu can't lose twice to hwasin.... I hope + Show Spoiler +That BO5 last time doesn't count!
he lost twice to a noob called Flash nvm, I hope Bisu win too...It's just because, Hwasin is not "just another zerg"
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On October 20 2007 01:35 Nyovne wrote: Bisu is gonna get fucking stomped, and after that Hwasin is gonna get stomped by Kwanro.
It's divinely ordained.
Fuck Bisu.
Savior for president!
There's no part of this message I didn't like.
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8716 Posts
Everyone commenting on Bisu/Hwasin!
Keep in mind that Python favors Terran in TvP, with just over a 60% win rate. Hwasin is 4-2 on Python TvP and 1-1 against Bisu on Python. Bisu is 3-2 on Python, taking wins from lowly Freedom, Flash and Hwasin.
In their first meeting, Bisu (12) and Hwasin (3), Bisu starts with a fast DT drop against Hwasin's 1fact CC. The DT's do significant damage, killing 8-10 SCV's, stopping mining at the expansion, and delaying the building of factories. Bisu follows up by expanding to his nat and the main at 9, blocking it with pylons to successfully prevent an otherwise deadly vulture raid. Hwasin powers off of his main and nat, fighting for the middle, but Bisu defends. Bisu adds stargates and takes the top left expansion. Hwasin finally overpowers Bisu's ground units, but is famously warded off by scouts. GG
In their second meeting, they get the same positions, Bisu (12) and Hwasin (3). Bisu opts for 1gate range, robotics, expand. Hwasin again with 1fact CC. Bisu brings out obs from the robo and both players get to macroing. Bisu attempts to take the main at 9 as in the previous game, but has major problems with vulture harrass. End result: he never transfers probes and loses some goons. I think this was the game clincher because Hwasin then slow pushes to expand to the min-only between his and Bisu's base, and Bisu lacks enough units to repel it. A mid-game DT drop does minimal damage. Bisu takes the bottom left "island" expand and techs for arbiters while Hwasin takes the bottom right and continues to push for Bisu's base. Bisu has no answer to the Terran push as arbiters come too late to have any effect. GG
More recently, in his WCG games, Hwasin has offed 3 big-name Protoss players on Python: Stork, Much, and Nal_rA. In all 3 games he does 1fact CC, with slight variations in his build depending on what his opponent does, but he also gets either 12/3 or 6/9 positions in every game. It's hard to say if he'd do anything but 1fact CC. Like with his games against Bisu, he always expands toward the min-only and punishes his opponent for attempts at getting a 3rd nexus up. The only game that played out differently was against Nal_rA's 2-nexus carriers, but Hwasin still managed to win.
It's difficult to make predictions when there aren't enough 12v6, 9v3, 12v9 and 6v3 games to look at. But if it's 12v3 or 9v6, Bisu has got to do something special to slow down Hwasin's Python TvP before mid-game.
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In Bisu's other games, he opens with 2gate ob expand against Flash in a 9v12 game. He probably does 2gate obs cuz flash is gay. Indeed, Flash is doing 3rax MnM + Tank rush. Bisu adjusts to 3gate goon + reaver and owns Flash.
Against Light, it's a 12v3 like both of his games vs Hwasin. He opens with early zealot harrass and then reaver harrass. Light does 1fact CC. Bisu takes his nat and 9's main, again like in his games vs Hwasin, and this time he loses 9 as Light powers off of his 2 CC's. It seems his early harrass did not do enough damage. Light pushes on up to Bisu's nat to finish off the game.
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I'm going to laugh so hard if Bisu gets kicked out of MSL by Hwasin. That would feel so... right.
PS : Interesting comments Nony (unlike mine lol :|), thanks.
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On October 20 2007 03:06 Matoo- wrote: I'm going to laugh so hard if Bisu gets kicked out of MSL by Hwasin. That would feel so... right.
Why? Did Bisu talk shit about Hwasin at some point?
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On October 20 2007 03:07 NonY[rC] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 03:06 Matoo- wrote: I'm going to laugh so hard if Bisu gets kicked out of MSL by Hwasin. That would feel so... right. Why? Did Bisu talk shit about Hwasin at some point?
he called him "insurance", right?
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United States7488 Posts
On October 20 2007 03:07 NonY[rC] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 03:06 Matoo- wrote: I'm going to laugh so hard if Bisu gets kicked out of MSL by Hwasin. That would feel so... right. Why? Did Bisu talk shit about Hwasin at some point?
Yes, but that was in last season's OSL.
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On October 20 2007 00:56 Kennigit wrote: Oov, Kwanro and Bisu. I dont see hwasin getting any farther :p
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On October 20 2007 03:12 Aepplet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 03:07 NonY[rC] wrote:On October 20 2007 03:06 Matoo- wrote: I'm going to laugh so hard if Bisu gets kicked out of MSL by Hwasin. That would feel so... right. Why? Did Bisu talk shit about Hwasin at some point? he called him "insurance", right? Yup, there was a lot of drama in that MSL if i remember correctly, then in his"insurance" game he embarassed Hwasin with scouts.
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I want to see Hwasin after he loses game 3 to a dt drop.
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United States7488 Posts
On October 20 2007 04:17 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 03:12 Aepplet wrote:On October 20 2007 03:07 NonY[rC] wrote:On October 20 2007 03:06 Matoo- wrote: I'm going to laugh so hard if Bisu gets kicked out of MSL by Hwasin. That would feel so... right. Why? Did Bisu talk shit about Hwasin at some point? he called him "insurance", right? Yup, there was a lot of drama in that MSL if i remember correctly, then in his"insurance" game he embarassed Hwasin with scouts.
It was in the Daum OSL, but Hwasin was indeed embarassed by scouts.
It's time for revenge! (even though I don't particularly like Hwasin)
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Go go Bisu!
That was sad in the first game, Bisu was just plain outplayed. If Hwasin is his insurance though, he should be able to pull two in a row against him
I'm also pulling for Kwanro (Kwanro - Bisu would be fairly epic IMO ^^)
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I sadly think that Hwasin wil take this. Right now BIsu is only 2:nd best protoss (stork obv) while Hwasin is the best terran. On the other hand Hwasin might not have the time to practice as much with IESP, this might help Bisu.
I hope for Kwanro and oov.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Hang on, Hwasin is in China at the moment. How's he gonna play Bisu?
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predictions:
iloveoov>Mind Kwanro>Light Hwasin>Bisu
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On October 20 2007 06:41 KizZBG wrote: Hang on, Hwasin is in China at the moment. How's he gonna play Bisu?
Emlary explained it on the first page of this thread
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United States7488 Posts
Predictions
Mind > iloveoov (2-0) Kwanro < Light (1-2) Hwasin > Bisu (2-1)
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oov>mind 2-1 kwanro>light 2-1 hwasin>bisu 2-1
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On October 20 2007 06:51 semioldguy wrote: Predictions
Mind > iloveoov (2-0) Kwanro < Light (1-2) Hwasin > Bisu (2-1)
kwanro will rip apart light :p
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United States7488 Posts
On October 20 2007 07:17 Wizard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 06:51 semioldguy wrote: Predictions
Mind > iloveoov (2-0) Kwanro < Light (1-2) Hwasin > Bisu (2-1) kwanro will rip apart light :p
I would really want him to, but for some reason I don't think Light will give up the match so easily.
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Screw Hwasin, Bisu is going to fucking win.
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United States7488 Posts
On October 20 2007 07:39 Jyvblamo wrote:Screw Hwasin, Bisu is going to fucking win.
Rofl!
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On October 20 2007 07:39 Jyvblamo wrote:Screw Hwasin, Bisu is going to fucking win.
how did you get that picture!?!?!
anyway. If Oov tries to cheese again, I'm disowning him.
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Mind < iloveoov (1-2) Kwanro < Light (1-2) (although I'd like to be the other way around) Hwasin < Bisu (1-2)
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On October 20 2007 07:39 Jyvblamo wrote:Screw Hwasin, Bisu is going to fucking win.
aw man, not this picture again.....from bisu's win in the semis....
i laughed non-stop at this picture
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On October 20 2007 06:37 lakrismamma wrote:Right now BIsu is only 2:nd best protoss (stork obv)
What. Are you serious? You can't be serious.
Bisu is the best Toss still. For one, he hasn't been knocked out MSL yet (ho snap Stork) and doesn't have any one matchup where he's excessively weak (aka, Stork's PvZ). Is he shaky in proleague? Yeah. Is his PvT beatable? Yeah, but thus far he's been able to overcome it and win when it counts, which more than Stork can say.
Although Hwasin will probably have something to say about that in this MSL...
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United States20661 Posts
On October 20 2007 07:52 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 07:39 Jyvblamo wrote:Screw Hwasin, Bisu is going to fucking win. how did you get that picture!?!?! anyway. If Oov tries to cheese again, I'm disowning him.
It's a shop. Just remove the index finger not too complicated.
Still very clean though. And funny ^^;
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Sorry, it's at 20:00 KST, not 18:30.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On October 20 2007 09:33 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 07:52 Sunyveil wrote:On October 20 2007 07:39 Jyvblamo wrote:Screw Hwasin, Bisu is going to fucking win. how did you get that picture!?!?! anyway. If Oov tries to cheese again, I'm disowning him. It's a shop. Just remove the index finger not too complicated. Still very clean though. And funny ^^;
They forgot to add the thumb though:
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So when will the matches be played?
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Go Bisu, take Hwasin out. I do hope he's been training PvT and preparing to deal with Hwasin's latest set of TvP builds. Bisu's last game was subpar, but Hwasin hasn't exactly had prime conditions for this match either. Aside from that, Oov and Kwanro ftw. Oov for the sake of seeing him in the finals again, and Kwanro so another terran bites the dust.
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Mind vs Mania would be the most boring BO5 ever.
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On October 20 2007 11:52 Jyvblamo wrote: Mind vs Mania would be the most boring BO5 ever.
It would be the most boring Bo1 Ever, Aswell.
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It's awesome that Hwasin flies out to play Bisu, and flies back to play the semis and the finals here. He should be exhausted, travelling + airports take a lot out of you. Even on short flights. If he wins both today, (though one is definitely below his level) it's some art stamina at work.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
go kwanro! i have 100% faith in you! avenge july! oov > mind 2-1 (although unlikely) kwanro > light 2-0 bisu > hwasin 2-1 (given his iest duties)
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predictions : Oov 2 - 1 Mind Light 2 - 1 Kwanro Bisu 2 - 0 Hwasin
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On October 20 2007 17:43 Kassios wrote: Bisu 2 - 0 Hwasin
... because Bisu is so gosu he will go back in time and stop Hwasin beating him in the first match?
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uph sry i meant 2-1 for bisu :p
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On October 20 2007 17:05 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 11:52 Jyvblamo wrote: Mind vs Mania would be the most boring BO5 ever. It would be the most boring Bo1 Ever, Aswell.
aahahahahh haahahahahahahahah
<3!
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Oov 2 - 1 Mind Light 2 -1 Kwanro Hwasin 2 - 0 Bisu
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i hope they can get oov vs mind over with quickly so we can watch some real games.
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This girl is wearing a Mickey Mouse jersey.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
omg another 1hour 30 to go T_T im so impatient
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ah wtf, its at 20.00 today. good for me, i can go shopping first then.
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bah thought it started at 1800 or 1900 T_T well gogogo hwasin
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Didn't follow the scene too close the past weeks, can anyone tell me what the score is? Mind 1-0 OOv Bisu 1-0 HwaSin Light 0-1 KwanrO
Is it correct?
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Sweden33719 Posts
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I watched some game bisu vs hwasin ? what was this ?
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On October 20 2007 19:05 puLs.ReADy wrote: I watched some game bisu vs hwasin ? what was this ? They're most likely showing the first games between them, 20:00 and the second and third games begin.
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when the games are over hwasin will quit starcraft.
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is it me or they delayed the game time?
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Gom TV saying it'll start at 20:00 but its not showing yet.
edit: Starting now! 최연성 FIGHTING
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its starting now, although i thought they start tournament @ 2:30am pst?
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It was delayed tonight because Hwasin has to fly back from China to play.
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Game 1 started, I missed who\'s who though.
ne1 know?
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Oov is top right, Mind is bottom left I believe, both are starting expansions, have one factory each with vulture/2 marines
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Oov with the faster armory, Mind with the faster 2nd machine shop, two tanks out for Mind, moving out, Starport comingi up for Mind
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Ah OOV white top right <BLUESTORM> mind bottom left.
Both T obviously.
OOV exping after fact and adding second fact. Mind's rax floating around a bit while marine gausfire tickles it a bit.
No expo for mind yet but hes moving out with 2 tanks and a vult as he adds a starport.
OOV moving out to intercept the incomming shizzle with 3 tanks 1 gol and some rines .
Mind slowly siege pushing as long as OOV doesnt have siege (which should be grading or mines, and both should hold mind off for a while).
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Both siege up in the middle of the map, Mind has the faster control tower, but fewer men in the middle, both send out scv's to expand, both adding 2 facts
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Netherlands19123 Posts
OOV adding starport himself and prepares to take bottom right gas expo while adding a 3rd and 4rth factory.
Mind looks to take his first expo and starts producing dropships from his single port.
Armories up for both and first gollies out for OOV as Mind attempts a 4 gol drop on OOVs expo which gets expelled without any damage.
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My stream lagging
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Netherlands19123 Posts
OOV takes bottom right as MIND takes top left expo (both started CCs).
A skirmish in the middle as mind drops some gollies and tanks ontop and round some of OOVs units there and loads another dship.
OOVs got 2 Dships loaded and heading towards Minds main as he maynards a load of scvs towards his bottom right expo.
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Mind tried to drop Oov's expo and flew ship over goliaths, runs and lives
Mind drops Oov with 2 ships, has one focused down by goliath, Oov counter drops with one ship and wins a small skirmish in the middle
Now Oov coming from the bottom with ships, has one tank on a cliff left, Mind takes it out with 2 tanks and a floating ebay
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OOV dropping below MINDs natural but mind was just building a turret there with loaded Dships around and deals with it. Both forces get destroyed by eachother.
Mind randomly turrets up key positions in the middle and OOV drops with 4 Dships minds new top left expo.
Theres some tanks and Gols from Mind around though but hes taking some scv damage.
Minds got way more tanks there though so he should hold.
Mining is interrupted though and some scvs got pew pewed.
OOV taking the 6 gas expo but is spotted by an engineering bay and Mind mores some tanks to try and reach that expo but cant.
Mind deals with the remainders of the drop at the top left.
Mind simultaneously drops OOVs natural and does some good SCV damage.
Mind reinforces the drop with even more units before OOV can deal with them this is looking like some serious damage for OOV.
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Oov drops top left, cleaned out by Mind, Mind counter drops at natural with a LOT, Oov floats and now clears with tanks, Oov tried to expand to bottom center on Mind's side, Mind drops it (it should die, no help near by)
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big clash on mind up-left expo,mind manages to defend it :p
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Netherlands19123 Posts
OOV clears his natural out but before he can get his forces together on the offensive he loses his just finished CC at the 6 gas expo.
Mind finishes his CC at the 12 gas expo.
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Haha okay, I'll stop, sorry
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lol oov loses cc at his 6 expo
and scvs to gol : get the F out of my base
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mind drops oov expo and kills lots of scv...looks like a balanced game :p
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bah doesn't look good for Oov
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Mind cruising a bit with his 5 dropship army around his 12 gas expo and has a smaller group still holding position at the now vacant 6 gas expo.
Mind building a (new?) rax and sieges some tanks from the 12 gas expo to reach some supply depots and turrets from OOV in his main.
OOV making a move to decisively clear 6 but Minds dships were near after some good scanner work but he sieged right into OOVs siege tank range and gets his stuff decimated and it looks like OOVs gonna clear the 6 gas expo without too much troubles.
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Netherlands19123 Posts
OOV and light both taking their min onlys.
Theyve been perfectly mirroring eachother except for the starting builds and that mind managed to get rid of OOVs 6 expo attempt and his own 12 expo didnt get touched.
*stream dies*
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BIG CLASH!!oov has tons of tanks and rape mind's army!!
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Stream lagged up and wont get streamin again.
Worst T_T
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Sneaky oov with his starports...
k now expo count is even and lets see how this map pans out with skirmishes
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both players just landing here and there with their dships..
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Ok back up and better then everrrrr.
OOV now succesfully mining from the 6 Gas and both players settled at a nice 50/50 map distribution while cruising around with their respective Dship fleets.
OOV seems to be up to 5 starports now and Mind sending in loads of scv to clear supply.
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i think that it's going to be a long game..map being shared :p..oov making mass starports..both going for bcs!!
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errr he just lost alot off his dropships...
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Mind does a mad massive drop on the 6 gas expo and destroys it.
First BCs out for OOV and Mind simultaneously.
Both seem to have 5-6 Starports but Mind is the one with 1 gas extra atm and soon 2 if he succeeds in clearing out the 6 gas from OOVs tanks.
OOVs new BCs destroy Minds CC which he had hanging to expo to 6 himself.
Mind suicides 8 Dropships to the centre along with some scvs again to clear up more supply.
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mind sacrifices some scv and drops oov 6 expo!!!Oov lose it !!
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oov now clearing 6 with bcs'!!mind sacrifices all his dships and lots of scvs!!
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mind let oov have the expo...
mind looks like hes in firm control with a 5 to 4 expo count
but oov has more bc's
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LOL mind is fucking stupi atleast 6 dropships died because he flow over a patch of turrets
hm.. or did he just need more supply? oO
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Netherlands19123 Posts
OOV seems to have the superior BC fleet but just with 1 more I think and he clears out the 6 expo AGAIN .
Little BC skirmishing around the 6 gas between both players and as far as now just Tanks were the victims but now some serious yamatoing went on and Mind lost a few BCs there while I dont think OOV lost even one. Some heavily damaged though as some yamato sniping with scannings ensues to finish eachothers weak BCs.
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Netherlands19123 Posts
On October 20 2007 20:30 Puosu wrote: LOL mind is fucking stupi atleast 6 dropships died because he flow over a patch of turrets
Just a supply clear along with the SCVs.
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On October 20 2007 20:30 Puosu wrote: LOL mind is fucking stupi atleast 6 dropships died because he flow over a patch of turrets
an intentional late game TvT move to free up food
(you can tell mind was in this mindset, as he proceeded to sack about 20 SCV immediately afterwards as well)
C'MON GOGOGO OOV!! I <3333 YOU SOO HARD!!
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BIG BCS CLASH OOV HAS LOTS MORE THAN MIND!
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holy shit! Gorilla ownez!!
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On October 20 2007 20:30 Nyovne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 20:30 Puosu wrote: LOL mind is fucking stupi atleast 6 dropships died because he flow over a patch of turrets Just a supply clear along with the SCVs. Yeah, just figured that after i posted Would've been quite a strange mistake from a pro
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Both players just facing off with some yamato tank/BC sniping around the 6 gas expo now and each with their immigrant worker army repairing the damage.
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WOWOWOWOW
OOV HAS LIKE ALMOST 20 BC!!
half of em are in the middle and the other half are by the @6 "action expo"
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Has oov hit gorilla mode yet? My stream is clearly behind :/
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FUCK my chair just collapsed
ow jesus my toe
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Netherlands19123 Posts
OOV sending his LARGE BC army south to 6 in full now, might even be up to 20 BCs now and some loaded dropships.
Mind has a goliath or 10 standing there and his own equally insane BC armada.
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OMG YAMATO TRADING !! OMG YAMATO YAMATO!
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oov has a shitload of bcs,now mind has a considerable number as well..both player landing and fighting for the oov 6 expo :p
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INSANE air to air armada battle ensues with OOV in the advantage of fighting over a few of his turrets but now th supporting golliaths kick in but Mind seems to be losing ALOT more BC's.
Both players down to about 6 BCs now and repairing what they got left.
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OOV sending over a Vessel, presumably to get that CRUCIAL EMP in when another large battle ensues to he can yamato and Mind cant to take the win.
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oh jesus this is quite awesome Oov please win it for us!!~
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god this game is awesome!~
TvT is like my favorite mu! : ]
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cmon oov, hes bought himself into the lead now he needs to keep going with it..
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OMG i hope oov busts out the EMP
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2 vessels for even more EMP for OOV.
Mind moving his BCs to snipe some Vessels with Scan but OOV catches it in time and moves the vessels back.
Little lul in game action atm.
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omg another BIG CLASH MIND NOW HAS MORE BCS THAN OOV!!!BUT OOV MANAGAGES TO WIN THE BATTLE WITH THE TURRETS SUPPORT !!
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its soooo hard to micro battlecruisers :/
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Looks very drawish game neither player did enough damage to force a win and they're turtled with infinity resources and bcs.
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Netherlands19123 Posts
lol @ shared FP view, both player have exactly 50% of the map with these siege lines lined out on their minimaps .
Still no action with the game quieting down.
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lol this game could drag on for a while and then they have to play another game of maybe equal length...
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Hard to see which one of them has more battlecruisers, Oov i guess.
Erh, I just realized Mind looks like a pirate.
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On October 20 2007 20:37 NovaTheFeared wrote: Looks very drawish game neither player did enough damage to force a win and they're turtled with infinity resources and bcs.
i think oov might pull the advantage slowly because he took the @6 expansion much later than mind took the @12 expansion
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oov makes tons of turrets in his 6 expo :p!what a tense game dude :p!
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Wtf did OOV just dodge a yamato with a Dropship?
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LMFAO at D-Matrix Yamato thingy.
PP07.
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Crush him Gorilla, fight as if this was truly yer last dance.
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oov dodged a yamato with his dropship. thats how pimp he is!
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OMG DID ANYONE JUST FUCKING SEE IT JFKLSADJGLSA
OMGOMGOMGOMFGOMFGOMAOGMFDOGMFOMG
OOV HAS A DROPSHIP
MIND FIRES A YAMATO
RIGHT BEFORE YAMATO HITS, OOV D-MATRICES D-SHIP AND SAVES!!!
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On October 20 2007 20:38 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 20:37 NovaTheFeared wrote: Looks very drawish game neither player did enough damage to force a win and they're turtled with infinity resources and bcs. i think oov might pull the advantage slowly because he took the @6 expansion much later than mind took the @12 expansion That was what I was thinking but that would only count if Mind has spent the whole time attacking and OOV defending with lesser income vs superior forces but the game hasn't seen alot of action so I just expect both players to have insane mineral and gas reserves.
Mind sending his BC fleet towards his 12 gas expo, maybe to make a move on OOVs main but that would result in main trading and a battle of elimination till a final climactic Standing BC army battle.
WHICH WOULD BE TOTALLY FUCKING AWSOME.
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OMG DSHIP SAVE GOLDY
.. my stream seems to be badly behind ´o-o;;;;
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OMG PIMPEST PLAYES! OOV BLOCKED YAMATO WITH MATRIX OMG!
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Mind not content to play for a draw, which he could surely do in this spot, and moves to mirror Oovs strat of slowly pushing into the opponent main.
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LOL DMATRIX 0.000000001 seconds before YAMATO
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GOD this is such a sick game
i REALLY REALLY like TvT
i honestly never understood why anyone couldn't just fucking LOVE this mu.
at points like these, it is SO intense and SO fragile, and you hear a scanner about every 10 seconds
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omfg
they both have equal numbers of battlecruisers!!!!
SO fucking SO sick jfc!!!
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Netherlands19123 Posts
OOVs fleet cruising towards the centre and Minds armada cruising to the 6 expo again.
OOV hits some BCs with EMP and clears out some of his own SCVs so he wont have to give Mind the pleasure!
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HAHAHAHA
oov kills is own science vessel
this ensures that mind will not get points for the kill once the game is over
"ha ha ha"
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They both make some of their SVs go BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP as they go huff puff in a whiff of smoke.
(that was alot of fff's right there)
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does oov have 10k minerals? ?
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GOD I WANT OOV TO WIN SOOO BADLY
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Only 40 mins have passed and they already mined up the map. lol.
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On October 20 2007 20:43 G.s)NarutO wrote: does oov have 10k minerals? ?
yeah seriously if anyone else saw and could provide info that would be awesome.
i know mind has like 3.5k ish
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oov kills some scvs for more psi :p
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This is just waiting for who has the Cohones to go in or wait out a referee draw :p.
OOV snipes some turrets in Minds centre line as Mind snipes OOVs engineering bay.
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That Dweb save alone is worth grabbing the VOD for : o.
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he destroyed his own vessel instead of getting it yamato'ed ..why?^^
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The staredown now fully moved towards the centre stage.
Or not... as both players just cruise around in leisure on the capital ship fleets.
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I have seen Boxer use Dmatrix vs yamato like that before so it's isn't a big deal for me.. -.-;;
finally a nice TvT
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JFKLSADJGLKASJFLKSAGJLSAKFJDLSAGKJSA EMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMP FJSLAKGJSALKFJDSALKGJDSAKLFSJDAGLKA
PHEW THAT WAS CLOSE
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On October 20 2007 20:45 Day[9] wrote: JFKLSADJGLKASJFLKSAGJLSAKFJDLSAGKJSA EMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMPEMP FJSLAKGJSALKFJDSALKGJDSAKLFSJDAGLKA
PHEW THAT WAS CLOSE
You have alot of passion.. just like me, i like you!
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On October 20 2007 20:45 malkavian47 wrote: I have seen Boxer use Dmatrix vs yamato like that before so it's isn't a big deal for me.. -.-;;
finally a nice TvT
really?
i would love a link to that!
i don't think i've missed a pro match since 2002-2003 ish (quite literally)
<3 boxer!
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I'm expecting OOV to sac those tanks of his for more BCs but he seems quite attached to them :p.
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OMFGOMFGOMFGOMFGOMFGOM WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF
OMG HE GOT ALL THE BC HE GOT EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE w/ AN EMP FUCKFJSLAKGJASLGDFJSGSAJL
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51135 Posts
Man, MBC commentators are the best at commentating long-ass games, they still have the enthusiasm even after 45 minutes.
With OGN though... they just dull down.
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now map is going t be totally mined out soon :p
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GOD this game is fucking nutso
i think these 3 matches are going to take longer than the other 5
OMFG OOV HAS 23 BC!
MIND HAS 20 BC!!!
FJKSLAGJSALKFASDJLK HOLY FUCK OOV KILLED MANY TANK YES?
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oov gonna go all in bitchs!!!!
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Little tradeoff between EMPs there with OOV destroying Minds physics lab (which he doesnt seem to rebuild).
OOV making a huge screwup with taking alot of random turret damage and an EMP fully into his BCs without gaining anything and both players just repair and regen again....
pom pom :D
A not so cold cold war here.
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SHIT FUCK SHIT
anyone see how much $$$ oov had?
i THINK mind had around 6k mins and low on gas?
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On October 20 2007 20:47 GTR-2-Go wrote: Man, MBC commentators are the best at commentating long-ass games, they still have the enthusiasm even after 45 minutes.
With OGN though... they just dull down.
What are they saying? Who do they think will win?
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Day - I remember him matrixing a Vessel in a game on LT. I've seen it in one of his movies..
SHIT THIS IS SO TENSE!!!!
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oov starting to gorilla push....
OMG OMG CONFRONTATION JFKLSAGJSAKLFJSA OMFG OMFG OMFG OFMG OFMGOFMG
FJDSALGJSAFSA GJSAKLFDSJALKGDSAJFLKSDJGLASJGLSA
OMG MIND GETS OFF ALL HIS YAMATO FIRST FUCK FUKCF CUKF K OMG OMGOMG
JFKLSAGJSKLAFJLSKA FUCK I THINK OOV IS FUCKED JFKLSDAJGKLSA
BUT HE HAS GOLIATHS FUCK
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OMGOMOGMOGMG!!!! OOOOV!!!!!
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JFKSLDGJKSLAFJLKSD OMG SO MANY GOLIATHS WHERE DID THOSE COME FROM?
OMG FJKLSAGDJLSDAF sa
JGSAKLFJSLJGDSA
OOV YOU DID IT!!
YOU DID IT OOV YOU DID IT JKLFJDSALKGDJSALK
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motherfucker represents!!!
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Mexico1178 Posts
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FJDSAGJSDLFAJGASFJLDSAJGLKASFJKLSAD
GJSAKLJFASLKGDSAJKLFDSJALGJSLSFAJGLSAJFLKSJADGLSAJGLSAJGSLAGJSALK
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Iloveoov! Iloveoov! Iloveoov! 3RD GAME GO YO GL YO
OoV fighting~!!
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OOV MOVING IN FOR THE DADDY KILL.
Maaaaasssss battle in the centre. Looks to be going around evenly...
Both hit some EMPs and matrixes.
OOV FUCKING DESTROYS MINDS ARMADA as his EMP hit before Mind got most of his yamatos off and OOV got his off before the other EMP hit his stuff.
OOV fucking takes the cake and eats it too.
GORILLA TERRAN FIGHTING BOOYAH.
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On October 20 2007 20:50 NuDy wrote: OMG it's endless
no its over
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mind has more bcs than oov,'cause oov has some tanks too
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How many thousand mineral/gas you think Mind had when he typed out?
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holy shit, who cannot love oov?
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On October 20 2007 20:50 Day[9] wrote: FJDSAGJSDLFAJGASFJLDSAJGLKASFJKLSAD
GJSAKLJFASLKGDSAJKLFDSJALGJSLSFAJGLSAJFLKSJADGLSAJGLSAJGSLAGJSALK
lol
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51135 Posts
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lol oov wins the pts by 186.
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
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That BC battle just took like 30 full seconds lol.
EPIC fucking highlight of 2007 moment battle right there.
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On October 20 2007 20:51 Storchen wrote: lol oov wins the pts by 186.
Killing his own vessel to save it from that yamato shot wasn't for shit!
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On October 20 2007 20:50 Zea! wrote: mind has more bcs than oov,'cause oov has some tanks too Both players had tanks gols themselves. They both had exactly 17 BCs I believe.
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NOW THATS TVT WE WANT MORE
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On October 20 2007 20:51 GTR-2-Go wrote: lol oov on phone
oov: "yesyes, me win.. kk ez, now 2-1 gogo, after I get banana ok?" voice on the phone: "ok"
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I really really hope the third game will be as epic as this one, that was just awesome. Goodluck~
Oov looks a little bit exhausted but Pirate doesn't show any emotions of tiredness, well actually hes just smiling a little.
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On October 20 2007 20:52 PoP wrote:Killing his own vessel to save it from that yamato shot wasn't for shit! Rofl touche :D
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Cheater terran is alive babies ;D!!
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On October 20 2007 20:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:oov: "yesyes, me win.. kk ez, now 2-1 gogo, after I get banana ok?" voice on the phone: "ok" "And the banana is really THAT big?" "yeye as big as a tree"
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Amazing how those Golis pulled out. What a drama :D
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Korea (South)1201 Posts
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Hahaha Day[9] comments epic as allways :D Exactly my toughts. First i was like "fuuuuck oooovvvv???" then "nooooooooooohhhaaaaaaaayeeeaaaaaaahhh!!!"
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Does anyone here want Mind to win?
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OOV's gollies really made the difference now I'm watching the replay.
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When the game turns in a macro game...oov is still one of the best players
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Mind is the hero he definately saved me I was going to kill myself if they did not finish the loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong game
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I want mind to win
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Actually I want oov to lose. Mind FTW!
Great game tho.
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To Be Loved by Papa Roach again used in the intro, so it wasn't changed permanently it seems. I kind of got used to the new one already ```v
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On October 20 2007 20:56 G.s)NarutO wrote:OK?
HHAHAHAHAHAH
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On October 20 2007 20:52 PoP wrote:Killing his own vessel to save it from that yamato shot wasn't for shit!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I HOPE EVERYONE REALIZES HOW FUNNY THIS! HAHAHAHAHAHA
AAHAHAH OMG ROFL POP IM DYING HAHAHAHAH
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Poll: Do you want oov to win? (Vote): Yes! (Vote): Hell yeah!! (Vote): Gorilla power! (Vote): OMG GO CHEATER TERRAN! (Vote): OOV IS A GOD! (Vote): Mind lose go!
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On October 20 2007 20:57 Nyovne wrote: OOV's gollies really made the difference now I'm watching the replay.
Agreed. Oov cleverly hid them under BC so Mind couldn`t target them.
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fuck
oov cheese backfire :[
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oov can be in trouble now :S factory much later than mind.
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agh damnit damnit fuck
oov starts from behind w/ a late late late factory because his 8rax scouted mind LAST
>.<
OOOVVOVOVO T.T.T.T.T
Oov is now going to build a CC at the edge of his main to take an island asap!
teheheh! ^_^
current advantage: MIND T.T
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expansion done for our lovely friend mr mind
he's mining at his new expo and has a 2nd factory finished and is JUST now starting a starport
Oov has 1 factory and 1 starport up and is making a wraith.
Oov is also trying to expand to his own natural as well as the new island expo
wraith up for happy friend oov
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Hey guys, new to TL.net. Where do you get your streams from?
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ahahah wow that sucks
oov has to use his wraith to target the rax, so that way the rax won't scout the island expo
as a result, oov gets to do 0 harassment or actual scouting w/ the wraith
oov's natural expansion is now up and running
hopefully oov's hidden island expansion will do him goot :[
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oov making 2nd cc and starport
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On October 20 2007 21:04 wurm wrote: Hey guys, new to TL.net. Where do you get your streams from?
www.sc2.org
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On October 20 2007 21:04 wurm wrote: Hey guys, new to TL.net. Where do you get your streams from?
i use gom player!
i'd link you but i'm doing the livereporting right now : ]
someone else probably will link you soon though! (try using the search function and find some goodies ^_^)
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OOV 3, Mind 9.
OOV with first wraith out and attacking Minds scouting barracks.
OOV succesfully floated his CC to the 3.5 o'clock island and Mind mining from his first natural.
OOV now also landing a CC at his natural with Mind moving out with some rines and tanks across the middle of the map while keeping his first golliaths at home.
Two wraiths cruising for OOV and spotted by Minds rines.
Wraiths moving to scout Minds main and harassing the SCVs that are rebuilding his Barracks.
OOV loses one wraith to defending golliaths.
OOV adding his starport addon for Dropships of himself.
Mind dropping an SCV at the 9.5 island.
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sc2.org register, MBC stream
edit: use IE
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On October 20 2007 21:04 wurm wrote: Hey guys, new to TL.net. Where do you get your streams from? For a quick solution use sc2.org or yaoyuan.com/live.php
You can also download Gom TV or Daum Player
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God OOv is dangerously low on units and "stuff" in general
oov reall yneeds to throw down a bazillion more factories and stuff to start to catch up
mind is already running about w/ 2 dropships and mind is starting to take his expansion now
FUCKFUCKFUCK Mind getting ready to push forward towards happy oov
OH OOV SPOTS THOSE DROPSHIPS!!
FUCK OOV FUCK FUCK FUCK OOVS FRONT IS TOTALLY NAKED
AAHHHH MIND PULLS BACK
YESS
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LOL wraith intercepted dship
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Thanks guys. Hope I can catch the rest of Oov-Mind.
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OH FUCK OH FUCK DROSPSHIPS wanderoung all around oov's base, but STILL hasn't seen the island expansion and STILL hasn't dropped at any weak points
oov has 3 gas totally up and running super operation
mind now taking the @9 high ground expansion
mind wandering about in the middle of the map
decent amount of d-ships and tanks for oov!!
turrets going down @ the island
FUCK MIND SPOTS THE ISLAND AND IS PuSHING THE FRONT!!!
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OOV now three base vs minds two.
Mind moving out with some Dships and tanks across the middle of the map but gets spotted by a patrolling wraith.
Two dropships from mind checking OOVs "second natural" but don't check his totally undefended island expo.
A sacrificial marine from mind checks OOVs natural defenses.
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I think that oov has advantage now :D
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wow
oov sacrificed like ALL of his workers, but killed of an AMAZING amount of tanks
mind expanding to @6 and oov is still forced to be kinda turtle-y
mind currently has map control, but oov did a really sick job of holding mind's initial drop
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oov in deep shit ((((
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god this is the scariest matchup in the world
i would have died of heart failure T.T
oov starting to gather up a nice happy friendship group of dropships
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Mind moves all his shit in on OOVs natural and runs into some tanks and scvs...
fighting continues.
OOV loses all his SCVs except 1 at his natural but he keeps his nat as a little tank stareoff commences.
Mind takes his 2nd natural and the 6 gas.
Seems mind is up to 4 bases now and preparing to take the 6 main for 5 vs OOVs 3 of which one hardly has SCVs.
OOV needs to make a move asap.
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big drop for oov incoming...maybe...
its 5 dropships but they are just flying around... not doing anything...!!!..!!!
oh man this is super super super super intense...!!..!!!
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Mind now exping to the 9.5 island as well.
Mind has some forces and Dships moving towards OOV again who has been eerily quiet in his actions this game.
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So Day.... care to return to SC, reborn as a Terran? :D
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yay!
oov adding on 2 more factories (to 6 total)
Mind currently has 4 running expansions to oov's 3 ( :< )
c'mon oov!!
you can DO EEET!
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On October 20 2007 21:11 GTR-2-Go wrote: So Day.... care to return to SC, reborn as a Terran? :D
ahahaha would you be shocked if i told you protoss is and always has been my favorite race?
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Oov's way way too passive right now.
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fuck you mind,i hate you.
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Mind seems to be moving to take the 12 second natural as well as he builds some turrets there and drops his large army there.
OOV moving his Dships to the now undefended 6 natural and 6 main expansion.
Mind now moving his Dship fleet down there to defend.
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ARGH BLAAHHH BIG DROP
didn't do alot of straight up damage, but it definitely prevents oov from taking that expansion
but OOOH SNAP oov absolutely demolishes minds @6 expansion
and WHAT IN THE HELL???
mind had like 10 dropships and dropped like... nothing....
oov's big drop did alot more damage than i thought it would have
mind cleverly sacrifices 2 dropships for nothing hahah
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He's the macro king, why does he try so much cheese lately
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WOW GREAT DROPSHIP TIMING!!
oov drops minds' @9 expansion (loses a dropship on the way there)
mind loses ALL the SCV at both locations ! (yay)
mind has taken the @6 main and has the @9 island as well.
Mind seems to have alot of expansions w/ a thin amount of workers everywhere
whereas oov kinda has a really strong power-ish type economy runnin
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Mind defends the 6 2nd natural while Mind just turrets the CC up as it is being built...
OOV loses a dropship to some random golliaths in the centre and attacks Minds Main second natural.
Mind saves the CCs on both 6 and his main's 2nd nats.
Mind in a serious advantage position here.
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HAHAHAHA oov has the @12 main, but mind hasn't spotted it at all yet
in fact, mind has surrounded that base w/ turrets!!!
haha ok ok ok NOW he's spotted it
mind sends 2 goliaths to assault the @12 expansion
in the meantime, oov does a small drop at the @6 main expo of mind, but mind holds it super easily
Oov now taking the @3 high ground middle expo
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oov is gonna loose ((
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Oov RUSHES MIDDLE!!
oov manages to bust up some of minds defenses
but mind has a FUCKTON OF STUFF IN DROPSHIPS!!
NOOO OOVV!! :::[[[[[
GG might be soon? : [
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C'm on OOv time to cheater mode : ON
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It's 100% over.
Naive Oov letting Mind expand freely.
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PHEW oov pulls 10 tanks out of his ass, but mind has GREAT macro out of 6 factories.
oov is going to NEED to start getting some headway, or its going to be game very soon
mind has ALOT of expansions running and is taking more by the minute
pobre oov :[
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OOV dropping 6 main again and again takes out a quite substantial amount of scvs but he is losing his 12 expo to some golliaths himself and cant really save there in time cause of all the turrets mind has put up all over the place.
Skirmish in the centre between boths standing armies and OOV seemed to be comming out on top but then Mind reinforces with his Dship army.
Mind is reloading his Dships and is up to 6-7 bases now depending if he took the 12 2nd nat as well.
OOV trying to take his 2nd nat but not looking good if he can hold it if mind lands that major Dship army ontop of it.
Mind has like twice the Bases OOV has atm not looking good for the gorilla man.
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mind has countless units and a bazillion dropships
oov just kinda chillin....
mind is now litearlly taking every single expansion on the map and is throwing down turrets wherever he can
this game is officially over T.T
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I think Mind fucking cheats by being Yellow and OOV being afraid to hurt him.
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Mind needs to do some useless attacks while oov takes out 2-3 exps. That would be sweet.
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GG soon...
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Clean sheet for T1 in starleagues so far. :>
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10 base vs 4 base, you do the math.
Sadly this is over for gorilla terran ;/.
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Well, oovs macro isn't even close to what it once was. I guess Mind deserves to win
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On October 20 2007 21:18 Nyovne wrote: I think Mind fucking cheats by being Yellow and OOV being afraid to hurt him.
that wouldn't work vs boxer
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9 gas vs 4 gas
yeah this isn't actually fair
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Mind will advance for sure.
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oov struggling .. ..do you believe in miracles?
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ok so i'm like not really going to be doing very much reporting right now because i need to uset he bathroom and because i'm horrible sad
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fuck off stupid gay msl
Mania vs mind? get real... one of them in ro4 is bullshit
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GG
Humiliated :/
Oh the monkeyanity .
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12 base vs 4 base...at what point do you type GG?
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another ro16 bow out in msl had a horrible feeling this would happen again SHIT
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Guess my MSL bracket is out of the contest then -_-
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It's ok as long as Bisu and Jesus are in.
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Mind will probably advance to semifinals having played a whopping 0 Zerg and Protoss combined.
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15 pages just for the first of the 3 contests, great ;P.
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I think everyones bracket is screwed =/
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Bisu will fall soon! I hope Light takes out kwanro, but I wouldn't mind if Kwanro wins because he is an awesome aggressiv player :D
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noo oov interesst in msl -100points
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oh awesome i didn't know i could watch k-league on gom.
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Last dance of the oov ends.
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its also stupid aswell how savior vsed stork to get to ro8 and free will need to beat savior to advance and then face a relatively uknown medicore terran in the semis..
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
i assume light's game is next?
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O c'm on who the fuck is KWANRO-,-..
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Kwanro better rape light 2-0 silly and then STOMP Hwasin after he STOMPS Bisu 2-0.
CJ CJ CJ CJ CJ CJ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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On October 20 2007 21:25 GTR-2-Go wrote: I think everyones bracket is screwed =/
everyones bracket was screwed
(mania)
the last 2 are out now as they both picked oov
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On October 20 2007 21:28 Plexa wrote: i assume light's game is next? vs Kwanro yes
Going to be interesting what Light has prepared versus the new Zerg trend.
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Mind played awesomely well in that third game though, he totally deserved the win. The only sad part is that he might suck vs P and Z and still get to semis, but it's not his fault either.
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OK, to crybabies about their MSL being ruined.
GET OVER IT
I wasn't here around that time... but I'm sure everyone was crying when 'Bisu' owned everyone during GOM S1 (when he was relatively unknown, right)?
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He has hopefully prepared a new way of getting humiliated. GO KWANRO KILL THIS NOOB TERRAN
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On October 20 2007 21:30 GTR-2-Go wrote: OK, to crybabies about their MSL being ruined.
GET OVER IT
I wasn't here around that time... but I'm sure everyone was crying when 'Bisu' owned everyone during GOM S1 (when he was relatively unknown, right)? nope everyone loved bisu after he tore up the OSL prior to goms1 (untill gf stopped him)
HOWEVER
everyone hated savior after he raped nada in uzoo - which he went on to win and look where he is now
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kwanro top right Z -<BLUESTORM>- Light bottom left T
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Always when I see Kwanro play it looks so flawed and noobish, but still he wins. I guess the new zerg style just is much about doing sacrifices and playing strangely :D
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huh really
alright, i guess lets substitute bisu with some other random who tore it up one season who became a god.
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On October 20 2007 21:30 GTR-2-Go wrote: OK, to crybabies about their MSL being ruined.
GET OVER IT
I wasn't here around that time... but I'm sure everyone was crying when 'Bisu' owned everyone during GOM S1 (when he was relatively unknown, right)?
u're right man but u know..it's always sad seeing oov being crushed like that :°
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normal rax sup for light
normal 9 lord 12 hatch for Kwanro (daring on this map)
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On October 20 2007 21:33 GTR-2-Go wrote: huh really
alright, i guess lets substitute bisu with some other random who tore it up one season who became a god.
mind or mania becoming a god?
interesting...
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On October 20 2007 21:33 GTR-2-Go wrote: huh really
alright, i guess lets substitute bisu with some other random who tore it up one season who became a god. ie savior
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Wtf ..kwanro is = to Chojja Oo; ! How tall is him?:D
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This is some seriously balls from Kwanro to just 12 hatch on this map.
1 rax gas for Light as he bunkers Kwanros nat and sends in his first rine.
Decisive drone action defends succesfully though.
Light proxy facts at the 12 gas expo, presumably hoping to float it in and vult Kwanros main though I expect.
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Okay if Kwanro wins this game I'm going to convert into a Kwanromaniac. But right now I'm still cheering for Light.
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If kwanro doesnt see that fact before it floats in he's going to have a major problem.
Gas for kwanro finished as well.
Lord SCOUTS THE PROXY FACT AS IT LIFTS OFF OMG KWANRO.
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LOL over finds hidden fac
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
needless to say, i am madly f5'ing damn my isolation
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OMG YESSSSSSS KWANROOOOOOO
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Light lands the fact again and well, does nothing with it.
Stream lagged up a bit and all I hear is a sunken anal probing a scouting scv.
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crowd wows at light's flawless moving-wraiths attacking
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Light testing Kwanros defense with some rines and a vult and sees his shizzle getting raped by speed lings and a sunken.
Spire for Kwanro as mind gets to finish one vult into Kwanros main anywayand manages to kill 1 drone before getting owned.
Wraiths for Light as he kills some drones and lords at kwanro..
Kwanro gets some lings into Lights main and kills the only defending vulture!
Now destroying Lights addon before he finishes stealth!
First mutas out for Kwanro as his lings are STILL KILLING MORE SCVS
Light has a seriously fucked up scv count now
Kwanro sends in his first mutas to help out but loses them all to wraiths and turrets.
Light tries to counter again but is repelled by muta scourge, the lack of cloak is rly hurting him right now.
Kwanro mining of 2 gas and 2 bases while light is stuck to one base with no more then 16ish scvs atm.
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On October 20 2007 21:34 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 21:33 GTR-2-Go wrote: huh really
alright, i guess lets substitute bisu with some other random who tore it up one season who became a god. mind or mania becoming a god? interesting...
I think Mind and Mania have the potential to go pretty far. They do train with some of the best Terrans ever to play (Xellos and Nada).
Anyway.... Ro8 in MSL isn't really far when you think of it. 910 got there, and he sucks major balls. Basically Ro8 is getting a seed, thats about it. Ro4 is where it all at.
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little chojja owning light badly-,-
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On October 20 2007 21:33 GTR-2-Go wrote: huh really
alright, i guess lets substitute bisu with some other random who tore it up one season who became a god. heh there's only one other player in history to do this
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On October 20 2007 21:42 GTR-2-Go wrote: Kwanro = Neo July? shityes he is the new wave of agressive zerg
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If light wins I will worship every terran on Earth!
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Speed lords for kwanro as light hides his wraiths in top left but Kwanro is sending his maphacking muta lords right over there and finds them.
Light retreats his wraiths to the safely of his turreted main.
Kwanro cruising around with some muta scourge as light adds another (2nd) barracks and builds 3-4 more turrets.
Kwanro takes the 12 gas expo as Light cuises his wraiths around the bottom of the map where he cloaks but is met by some speed lords and mutas and gets chased around.
Light breaks off some cloaked wraiths and proceeds to kill some lords and drones in Kwanros main.
Another wraith is harassing kwanros natural.
Kwanro has ALOT of mutas though and light is still stuck to one base as he adds a 3rd barracks and gets scouted by a lord from Kwanro.
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i provide my commentary on this match by giving a hearty rofl
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why does kwanro make only mutas?oO
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this game is marvelously close!
i had no idea you could pull a game out of nowhere like that
props to light!
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amazing game... nailbiter
light keeps assassinating kwanro's drones, but kwanro has a much bigger muta army
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anyway light is gay.rotfl
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how did that just happen :F
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Kwanro seems to have learned how to Maphack from Savior with his lords seeing everything light tries to hide.
Kwanro attacking Lights barracks and main but Light counters with his wraiths and kills quite some drones at Kwanros natural and main again.
Kwanro hardly has any drones left atm but at least hes mining at the 12 gas with 7 drones...
Kwanro did destroy two of lights barracks and some supply though and now catches up with his mutas to some of Lightswraiths and destroys them.
Light finds 12 and destroys all the drones there as well.
Kwanro might have a way way way bigger standing army but due to the lacksness of not building any spores vs that many wraiths hes totally out of drones atm...
But still light is stuck to just his main on a low scv count.
Kwanro replenishing his drones as he cruises around the map with his little muta fleet.
Light AGAIN sends in his wraiths and AGAIN racks up the dronekills before the mutas get back from preventing light to expand and turret up his natural.
Seriously why the fuck doesnt kwanro just build 2 spores at every base and have NP with this harass shit at all.
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god i wish there were flying firebats
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i don't know why people give kwanro so much credit
i've never seen anything particularly exceptional about his play T.T
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is kwanro being too agressive? i mean he should have secured his mining lines.. he had the upper hand
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WTF is Kwanro doing. -_-;
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On October 20 2007 21:48 Day[9] wrote: god i wish there were flying firebats rofl hahaha
they are called Valkyries
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how this kid won against midas?Oo
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build a fuckin queen or spore or whatever T_T
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yeah sure, who cares if light lost his ARMY
kwanro lost all of his DRONES AGAIN hahahah
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
T_T_T_T_T_T cmon kwanroooooo
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On October 20 2007 21:49 Zea! wrote: how this kid won against midas?Oo Yeah, his style looks so flawed and shit but still he manages to win awesomely Today it doesn't look like thats happening really
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god light ALWAYS looks SO calm its crazy
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blagh light lost the CC
that's game
how unfair T.T
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NEW WAVE OF RETARDED ZERG.
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On October 20 2007 21:48 Day[9] wrote: i don't know why people give kwanro so much credit
i've never seen anything particularly exceptional about his play T.T
well there hasn't been much yet but hes a real big prospect.
Especially with savior in your team...
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Light massing marine medic now from 2 rax and is moving out with them to presumably destroy Kwanros 12 expo where he isnt mining anyway atm...
Kwanro might actually manage to lose this game if he doesnt perk the fuck up with pure muta to mnm if he isnt careful.
Light again sneaks in some wraiths to kwanros main and AGAIN kills a load of drones.
Kwanro goes allin with his muta swarm and destroys Lights MnM group but Light raped every drone in kwanro's main silly again (except 4 orso which got away).
Light building a 2nd CC (finally) and replenishes his MnM as he continues to harass with split Wraith forces and keeping Kwanro contained with like 6 wraiths lolol.
BUILD A FUCKING SPORE.
Light wastes about 6 scourges as he rebuilds 12...
Still no hydra den for lurkers and sticks to pure muta.
ALOT of wraiths and some MnM for light again as he takes his expo and nothing Kwanro can do against it.
Kwanro HITS IN WITH HIS MUTAS AND DESTROYS LIGHTS 2nd CC AS IT FLOATS OVER TO HIS NATURAL OMG.
Light makes a mistake a loses half or more of his wraiths to lights Mutas.
Kwanro still sticking on mass muta, now adding some lings and mining from 12 as well (no gas there though). 4 control groups of units for Kwanro.
2 groups for light and his main is down to one mineral node.
This is GG with a broke light.
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Braavos36362 Posts
hahah he just built 10 bunkers!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
fuck kwanro i hate you so much T_T making me all worried and shit T_T
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Wraiths again destroyed all drones at the 12 natural...
Even the COMMENTATORS are going WHY THE FUCK ISNT HE BUILDING SPORES IT COULD HAVE SAVED HIM FUCKING 50 DRONES.
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Light is going to run out of minerals eventually, SHITTY SHITTY play by Kwanro nevertheless.
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Braavos36362 Posts
it wasn't really that close, once light switched to mm he was way down in upgrades, muta like 1/2?
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On October 20 2007 21:52 Monsen wrote: NEW WAVE OF RETARDED ZERG.
i prefer that over 60 terrans...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 20 2007 21:52 Matoo- wrote: Light is going to run out of minerals eventually, SHITTY SHITTY play by Kwanro nevertheless. rofl the shitty play made this from a rape into a tense game lol
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I said I wouldn't turn into a Kwanromaniac before he wins this but fuck it KWANRO FIGHTING YOU ARE MY HERO
or.. hm
I can't decide who to cheer for, Light is a terran after all :/
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 20 2007 21:53 Camlito wrote:i prefer that over 60 terrans... qft
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little chojja won,after all oo!
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Light allins with his last units and destroys the 12 expo (AGAIN) before getting totally fucking raped by Kwanros mutas.
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Ugh, Light falls again at the early stages of the MSL. Still Kwanro knocked out another Terran.
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Seriously light was fighting in the shade with all those mutas blotting out the sun.
Fucksake.
Poor game though from Kwanro by letting those wraiths do so sick much dmg and losing all his drones and the 12 expo again and again and again and again to fucking a 1 base broke terran.
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wow i hope to god this next match isn't anti-climactic
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GGAWESOME K-W-A-N-R-O Zerg Revolutionist
I'm probably giving him too much credit really.. w/e hes my favorite zerg anyway ^.^
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Kwanro could have won way more easily...
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uhm little chojja won though that SLOPPY performance...Kwanro you've find a new fan ;p!
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Kwanro makes the zerg race look bad. Against an opponent with crippled econ and 1 rax, only thing Light can do is keep making wraith from 2 port.
Put down the fucking hydra den, build one round of hydras and walk into Light's main FTW.
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Braavos36362 Posts
haha on GOM they switched the pictures of the players but not the score, so it says
"Bisu 2:0 Hwasin"
right now.... good sign!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
now for hwasin so beat bisu and ill sleep a happy man
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Fucking kwanro making it so hard for himself...just build a spore colony >_<
He might have lost if not for light running out of minerals at the main..
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C'm on Bisu...don't fail now :/
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fucking nice! CJ has 4 players in round8. O.o
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Braavos36362 Posts
awww they switched it back
oh well:
THIS CAN STILL HAPPEN:
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The game I've been both dreading and waiting for all week. Time to knock Hwasin out of the MSL Bisu.
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Time for the game of the day, the rival match > Bisu fighting, just because I want to see 3 games.
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On October 20 2007 21:57 lostman wrote: Fucking kwanro making it so hard for himself...just build a spore colony >_<
He might have lost if not for light running out of minerals at the main..
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hwasin is gonna kick bisu's ass out of MSL now. 2:0 for hwasin gogogo~!!! i fucking hate bisu.
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Batisterio-PiB
Brazil219 Posts
kwanro will lose in the next round........no matter the winner of this match!
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On October 20 2007 21:53 Camlito wrote:i prefer that over 60 terrans...
I love zerg, but I hate stupidity. God that made me angry.
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god kwanro vs light was like watching two armless, legless homeless men battle over a taco.
sure it was sorta fun to watch at the time, but i have all these feelings of disappointment, and sadness, and pity
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On October 20 2007 21:59 Hot_Bid wrote:awww they switched it back oh well: THIS CAN STILL HAPPEN:
Since Hwasin is 1:0 atm I think not.
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Braavos36362 Posts
seriously this drink commercial is hilarious, i love it
dude starts dancing, buys a drink, black dude shows up, starts dancing, commercial ends
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On October 20 2007 22:01 Storchen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 21:59 Hot_Bid wrote:awww they switched it back oh well: THIS CAN STILL HAPPEN: Since Hwasin is 1:0 atm I think not. scores are just for today!!!!
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hwasin is going to steamroll bisu just the first game. i know it.
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God im so annoyed at kwanro there for such sloppy play.
Ah well he won which is what I wanted :p.
Now for Hwasin to stomp bisu 2-0 rawr.
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On October 20 2007 22:00 Day[9] wrote: god kwanro vs light was like watching two armless, legless homeless men battle over a taco.
sure it was sorta fun to watch at the time, but i have all these feelings of disappointment, and sadness, and pity
Well Light was fun to watch actually. Kwanro was just painful... cancel hydra den, refuse to build spores lose 24579203457823 drones.... aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.
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Shit I voted bisu by accident...hope hwasin rolls over him but...best result would be hwasin 2:1
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On October 20 2007 21:52 Monsen wrote: NEW WAVE OF RETARDED ZERG.
you know
this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague.
everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here."
sure, its "nice" that some of these "new school" zergs are trashing the more reputable terran players. but have you seen the games? they fall into a few categories
1) zerg manages to get a bunch of speedlings and allins the 1rax fast expoing terran. 2) terran does dumbass double hidden factory hidden starport hidden depot build that zerg "accidentally" counters because every broken clock is right twice a day 3) zerg abuses some decently cute, but absolutely finesseless build when the terran is clearly having a bad day. remember sea[sheild] losing on blue storm to a zerg who ultra rushed and then ONLY made ultra+ling for the rest of the game?
yeah
these new zergs can die.
savior is a manzerg. reign supreme forever
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On October 20 2007 22:03 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:00 Day[9] wrote: god kwanro vs light was like watching two armless, legless homeless men battle over a taco.
sure it was sorta fun to watch at the time, but i have all these feelings of disappointment, and sadness, and pity Well Light was fun to watch actually. Kwanro was just painful... cancel hydra den, refuse to build spores lose 24579203457823 drones.... aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.
it just fills me w/ rage to see light play quite strongly vs july on blue storm not 1 week ago, and then pull some silly ass strategy vs a zerg who's clearly inferior.
it doesn't make sense T.T
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On October 20 2007 22:04 Day[9] wrote:you know this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague. everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here." sure, its "nice" that some of these "new school" zergs are trashing the more reputable terran players. but have you seen the games? they fall into a few categories 1) zerg manages to get a bunch of speedlings and allins the 1rax fast expoing terran. 2) terran does dumbass double hidden factory hidden starport hidden depot build that zerg "accidentally" counters because every broken clock is right twice a day 3) zerg abuses some decently cute, but absolutely finesseless build when the terran is clearly having a bad day. remember sea[sheild] losing on blue storm to a zerg who ultra rushed and then ONLY made ultra+ling for the rest of the game? yeah these new zergs can die. savior is a manzerg. reign supreme forever
whats this fucking new wave shit
your basing it on kwanro not a whole wave of people
unless i forgot a new zergs who plays very very similar to that...
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On October 20 2007 22:04 Day[9] wrote:you know this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague. everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here." sure, its "nice" that some of these "new school" zergs are trashing the more reputable terran players. but have you seen the games? they fall into a few categories 1) zerg manages to get a bunch of speedlings and allins the 1rax fast expoing terran. 2) terran does dumbass double hidden factory hidden starport hidden depot build that zerg "accidentally" counters because every broken clock is right twice a day 3) zerg abuses some decently cute, but absolutely finesseless build when the terran is clearly having a bad day. remember sea[sheild] losing on blue storm to a zerg who ultra rushed and then ONLY made ultra+ling for the rest of the game? yeah these new zergs can die. savior is a manzerg. reign supreme forever haha take a guess at who the zerg was who did #3 on your list
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On October 20 2007 22:05 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:03 Monsen wrote:On October 20 2007 22:00 Day[9] wrote: god kwanro vs light was like watching two armless, legless homeless men battle over a taco.
sure it was sorta fun to watch at the time, but i have all these feelings of disappointment, and sadness, and pity Well Light was fun to watch actually. Kwanro was just painful... cancel hydra den, refuse to build spores lose 24579203457823 drones.... aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh. it just fills me w/ rage to see light play quite strongly vs july on blue storm not 1 week ago, and then pull some silly ass strategy vs a zerg who's clearly inferior. it doesn't make sense T.T clearly inferior???? did you watch the first game??? O.o
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On October 20 2007 22:04 Day[9] wrote:you know this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague. everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here." sure, its "nice" that some of these "new school" zergs are trashing the more reputable terran players. but have you seen the games? they fall into a few categories 1) zerg manages to get a bunch of speedlings and allins the 1rax fast expoing terran. 2) terran does dumbass double hidden factory hidden starport hidden depot build that zerg "accidentally" counters because every broken clock is right twice a day 3) zerg abuses some decently cute, but absolutely finesseless build when the terran is clearly having a bad day. remember sea[sheild] losing on blue storm to a zerg who ultra rushed and then ONLY made ultra+ling for the rest of the game? yeah these new zergs can die. savior is a manzerg. reign supreme forever
I was reminded of this game by Nada, where he absolutely refused to build turrets. ARGH
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On October 20 2007 22:04 Day[9] wrote:you know this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague. everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here." sure, its "nice" that some of these "new school" zergs are trashing the more reputable terran players. but have you seen the games? they fall into a few categories 1) zerg manages to get a bunch of speedlings and allins the 1rax fast expoing terran. 2) terran does dumbass double hidden factory hidden starport hidden depot build that zerg "accidentally" counters because every broken clock is right twice a day 3) zerg abuses some decently cute, but absolutely finesseless build when the terran is clearly having a bad day. remember sea[sheild] losing on blue storm to a zerg who ultra rushed and then ONLY made ultra+ling for the rest of the game? yeah these new zergs can die. savior is a manzerg. reign supreme forever Preach on brother, preach on.
btw lol @ broken clock comment, touche
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On October 20 2007 22:04 Day[9] wrote:you know this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague. everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here." sure, its "nice" that some of these "new school" zergs are trashing the more reputable terran players. but have you seen the games? they fall into a few categories 1) zerg manages to get a bunch of speedlings and allins the 1rax fast expoing terran. 2) terran does dumbass double hidden factory hidden starport hidden depot build that zerg "accidentally" counters because every broken clock is right twice a day 3) zerg abuses some decently cute, but absolutely finesseless build when the terran is clearly having a bad day. remember sea[sheild] losing on blue storm to a zerg who ultra rushed and then ONLY made ultra+ling for the rest of the game? yeah these new zergs can die. savior is a manzerg. reign supreme forever Kwanro plays speedling/muta every game, all highly agressive for me its exciting and interesting to watch better than watching some A level tvt... (s class ftw)
oh and kwanro's ultra rush vs sea (3gas -> ultra after muta/ling) is so much more classy than these other zergs who are doing silly 2gas ultras... (3 recently)
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gogo biSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!
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Netherlands19123 Posts
cba reporting this game,
I want both to lose.
Ah who am I kidding I want bisu to lose way more.
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On October 20 2007 22:06 GoogleIt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:05 Day[9] wrote:On October 20 2007 22:03 Monsen wrote:On October 20 2007 22:00 Day[9] wrote: god kwanro vs light was like watching two armless, legless homeless men battle over a taco.
sure it was sorta fun to watch at the time, but i have all these feelings of disappointment, and sadness, and pity Well Light was fun to watch actually. Kwanro was just painful... cancel hydra den, refuse to build spores lose 24579203457823 drones.... aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh. it just fills me w/ rage to see light play quite strongly vs july on blue storm not 1 week ago, and then pull some silly ass strategy vs a zerg who's clearly inferior. it doesn't make sense T.T clearly inferior???? did you watch the first game??? O.o
yeah
it was a silly allin rush.
kwanro's mid to late game is reputaby weak, whereas light is significantly stronger in the mid-late game stages.
when playing against a player whose fundamentals are vastly worse than your own, the overall logic is quite simple: just play reasonably safely in the early game and abuse your higher skill set. Blagh i still don't get why light didn't just fast CC like he did vs july T.T
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fuck him up hwasin!
gogogo!!
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More than anything I would like to see Bisu vs Ra/Savior rematch. SO go go Bisu!
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hwasins scv marine micro was so good that time =)
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holy lord that was excellent control by hwasin
he hardly batted an eye
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 20 2007 22:10 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:06 GoogleIt wrote:On October 20 2007 22:05 Day[9] wrote:On October 20 2007 22:03 Monsen wrote:On October 20 2007 22:00 Day[9] wrote: god kwanro vs light was like watching two armless, legless homeless men battle over a taco.
sure it was sorta fun to watch at the time, but i have all these feelings of disappointment, and sadness, and pity Well Light was fun to watch actually. Kwanro was just painful... cancel hydra den, refuse to build spores lose 24579203457823 drones.... aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh. it just fills me w/ rage to see light play quite strongly vs july on blue storm not 1 week ago, and then pull some silly ass strategy vs a zerg who's clearly inferior. it doesn't make sense T.T clearly inferior???? did you watch the first game??? O.o yeah it was a silly allin rush. kwanro's mid to late game is reputaby weak, whereas light is significantly stronger in the mid-late game stages. when playing against a player whose fundamentals are vastly worse than your own, the overall logic is quite simple: just play reasonably safely in the early game and abuse your higher skill set. Blagh i still don't get why light didn't just fast CC like he did vs july T.T did you see kwanro vs midas on desperado?
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Nice defense by hwasin, now to wonder if that was siege or mines he graded though.
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GOD hwasin played this opening off so strongly!
jesus christ! so many terrans can't respond nearly as seamlessly into an fd rush the way hwasin did that game
wow oh my oh my GOD that was so great!!
all of you need to drop EVERYTHING you are doing and revel in Hwasin's greatness
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Why does everyone here hate Bisu? Are you nuts?
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On October 20 2007 22:12 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:10 Day[9] wrote:On October 20 2007 22:06 GoogleIt wrote:On October 20 2007 22:05 Day[9] wrote:On October 20 2007 22:03 Monsen wrote:On October 20 2007 22:00 Day[9] wrote: god kwanro vs light was like watching two armless, legless homeless men battle over a taco.
sure it was sorta fun to watch at the time, but i have all these feelings of disappointment, and sadness, and pity Well Light was fun to watch actually. Kwanro was just painful... cancel hydra den, refuse to build spores lose 24579203457823 drones.... aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh. it just fills me w/ rage to see light play quite strongly vs july on blue storm not 1 week ago, and then pull some silly ass strategy vs a zerg who's clearly inferior. it doesn't make sense T.T clearly inferior???? did you watch the first game??? O.o yeah it was a silly allin rush. kwanro's mid to late game is reputaby weak, whereas light is significantly stronger in the mid-late game stages. when playing against a player whose fundamentals are vastly worse than your own, the overall logic is quite simple: just play reasonably safely in the early game and abuse your higher skill set. Blagh i still don't get why light didn't just fast CC like he did vs july T.T did you see kwanro vs midas on desperado?
Kwanro at bottom right, Midas at top left
Kwanro goes allin muta ling until victory?
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On October 20 2007 22:13 malkavian47 wrote: Why does everyone here hate Bisu? Are you nuts?
"everyone"
a few posts before yours there were 2 people saying GOOO BISU and BISU OWN THIS NOOB
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On October 20 2007 22:04 Day[9] wrote:you know this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague. everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here."
True but Silent_Control then proved he also knew how to play straight games losing 2-3 to Reach and Oov in tough games.
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man pop tarts are like rly good
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LOL Bisu got lucky with that mine!!
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On October 20 2007 22:14 Beamo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:04 Day[9] wrote:On October 20 2007 21:52 Monsen wrote: NEW WAVE OF RETARDED ZERG. you know this whole MSL extravaganza reminds me strongly of when Silent_Control cheesed his way to the semi-finals of the NHN starleague. everyone was like "how the FUCK did this guy get here." True but Silent_Control then proved he also knew how to play straight games losing 2-3 to Reach and Oov in tough games.
he proved that in the NEXT starleague
he made an absolute fool out of himself against zeus and lost 0-3.
the loss embarassed him so much that he practiced like a nutcase and built up some really strong TvP. (He went 2-1 w/ kingdom in the Ro8, then 2-3 w/ Reach and 2-3 w/ oov as you said)
But still. When he sucked, he played like a standard weak player and it all caught up with him
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On October 20 2007 22:15 Day[9] wrote: man pop tarts are like rly good that has ne thing to do witht he game because????
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Netherlands19123 Posts
lol at that shuttle hanging right over that mine
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does bisu love wasting his units on mines?..
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Hwasin is The Ugliest man alive.
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god
bisu's dragoons have like an anti-mine forcefield.
i think hwasin is going to get real scary real soon
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HAHAHAH probes getting raped by hwasin's vultures at bisu's 11o clock expo
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Oeee those 2 mines got picked off nice by bisu if theyd gone off 0.0001 sec later theyd have taken out 5 goons lol.
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lol bisu you fuckin newbie!
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On October 20 2007 22:17 malkavian47 wrote: Hwasin is The Ugliest man alive.
* with Iris imho.
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DONT LAG ON ME STREAM DO NOT LAG ON ME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Robotics for Bisu, late reavers it seems and alot of goons.
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OMG no ...i think bisu will get rolled over soon-,-
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On October 20 2007 22:18 Day[9] wrote: DONT LAG ON ME STREAM DO NOT LAG ON ME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
I FEEL YOUR PAIN, NOT NOW ARMAGEDDONS COMMENCES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP.
ALLL I HEAR IS GOONSOUP SO THATS PROMISING.
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Bisu's pretty lucky with mines so far.
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wait...
wait what???
hwasin moved out and got caught in an absolutely horrendous position
i mean, hwasin didn't LOSE, but still... i thoguht hwasin was gonna do WAY better than that.
in the midst of getting the early game advantage and keeping the pressure on w/ vulture raids, hwasin takes the bottom right expansion (as a GOOD PLAYER SHOULD. thank GOD he's actually playing like a good player. too much embarassment from others lately teheh )
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hwasin should win this unless he seriously fucks up his timing push.
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wtf horrible lag just as some big fight breaks out
they're even on bases and hwasin is slowly moving out
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Hwasin is ahead by a lot here. Bisu will have to pull something.
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Netherlands19123 Posts
archives for beesuit comming up.
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hehe =) hwasin has better eco. im loving this game.
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Hwasin upgrading to 7 factories, 2 w/ addon, 5 w/o
LOTS of vulture raiding action.
Hwasin's play reminds me of the classic "tornado terran" style. do tons of vulture harass until you have a bunch of tanks.
then move out and reinforce the shit out of everything w/ infinity vultures!
Hwasin adding 8th factory.
8 gateways out for Bisu and a templar archives. Bisu has no idea about the bottom right expansion. Bisu also taking the @9 natural expansion
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On October 20 2007 22:18 Zea! wrote:* with Iris imho.
Yeh, darkelf is so handsome.
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Bisu taking 9 natural and scoutes hwasins bottom right expo and moves out with a pretty sick army.
Hwasin finds the 9 natural as cannons warp in.
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I really kinda want bisu to win this game, JUST so we can see a super action packed 3rd game ^_^_^
i don't care TOO much about the outcome of this match, but i like hwasin better! ^_^
OMG GREAT STORMS HOLY FUCK
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Incredibly lucky with mines...
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Hwasin caught in a fucked up position again and getting rolled by bisus masses.
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bisu rapes the shit out of hwasin with huge numbers
going to whack the 5 expansion now
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GOD, hwasin got caught at the WORST angle known to MAN
seriously, that should NOT have been a close fight, but somehow, bisu actually CRUSHED hwasin's push out...
god that was MIND-BLOWINGLY shitty coincidental/accidental positioning by Hwasin
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T.T hwasin no . =( i hate bisu more now
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How the hell did Hwasin get nobbled by that? My stream goes for ten seconds and it's all over.
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Yes gogo Bisu
Do it for protoss!!!
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Bisu took the rest of his army down to the bottom right expansion and hwasin barely holds
this game is pretty awesome 8]
there isn't any sort of frightening "end game tech" by bisu, just some stead expanding and lots of gateway units.
Bisu now taking the @9 main.
OH SHIT MY BAD ARBITERS BUILDING FOR BISU
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this game is so intense. bius vs hwasin never lets you down =). hwasin come on. win this please!
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manly protoss macro showing here
arbiters building for bisu, taking 9 main as well
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Hwasin realizes that the bottom right expo is done for and abandons ship
Hwasin now pushing towards the @9 expoes of our good friend bisu
Bisu has a ton of stuff there waiting tho
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G FUCKING G! Bisu fighting hell yeah!
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5 expo gone for hwasin, bisu matches attack on 9 with huge huge huge army
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wow good lord, i'm not entirely sure how this all happened
hwasin had a mosntrous advantage
and then he got caught in the middle of the map w/ his army kidna pinched in front of a temple and not in seige mode w/ vultures a little too far away.
and somehow bisu just RAPES hwasin in half.
VERY strange thing that just happened here
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gomplayer has lagged pretty bad for me the past month or so.. i rlly wish that daum could broadcast these games cuz theyre way more reliable imo
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hwasin has always a shitload of vultures..great macro ..
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wow
goodness oh my goodness
that just blows my mind
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hwasin ggs before bisu can rape with massive protoss army + arbs and shit
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oh boy.... gg by hwasin. =*(
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On October 20 2007 22:26 Day[9] wrote: wow good lord, i'm not entirely sure how this all happened
hwasin had a mosntrous advantage
and then he got caught in the middle of the map w/ his army kidna pinched in front of a temple and not in seige mode w/ vultures a little too far away.
and somehow bisu just RAPES hwasin in half.
VERY strange thing that just happened here Yeah both Hwasins armies got caught in the worst position stack ontop of eachother unsieged.
Kinda epic letdown since I'd have given him the game no fucking problem at all.
He better sort his shit in the 3rd game.
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Oh thank Adun, this goes to a game3. Bisu fighting etc, although he'll need to stop Hwasin from getting such a large lead again.
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BISU I FUCKING LOVE YOU MAN
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BISU HAS THIS GAME IN HIS HANDS!!
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Woohoo, Bisu fighting
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holy lordness oh my goodness
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Netherlands19123 Posts
Python is hard though, you just cant really "pin" a protoss somewhere with some units.
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Godlike macro play by Bisu
But he was so lucky with mines in the beginning. Bisu I BELIEVE.
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i still dont understand how hwasin lost this.
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you know
this one time i got this really huge boner and i was totally ready to go and like... then... then my mind wandered and i didn't have a boner anymore.
that experience should be called a Hwasin
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DIE PROTOSS SCUM DIEEEEEEEEEE~~~
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yes...but,IMPRESSIVE macro by both Oo
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On October 20 2007 22:18 niteReloaded wrote: lol bisu you fuckin newbie! ok i take that back.
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Netherlands19123 Posts
I dont think Ive ever seen a game on Zodiac with these positions.
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Watch as Hwasin shits all over Bisu
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Braavos36362 Posts
i was talking with yubee the whole time during that game and we kept saying how bisu was so far behind
then he just breaks the push and rapes, wtf?
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C'm on Bisu ..1 other step..don't fail now.
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On October 20 2007 22:30 Day[9] wrote: you know
this one time i got this really huge boner and i was totally ready to go and like... then... then my mind wandered and i didn't have a boner anymore.
that experience should be called a Hwasin
RoFL, legendary!
the opposite should be a bisu?
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On October 20 2007 22:32 Hot_Bid wrote: i was talking with yubee the whole time during that game and we kept saying how bisu was so far behind
then he just breaks the push and rapes, wtf?
Was it a moment similar to the Arbiter clutch in game5 last finals?
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hwasin hwaiting! take this pls.
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bisu going templar it seems
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On October 20 2007 22:31 Nyovne wrote: I dont think Ive ever seen a game on Zodiac with these positions.
you sure?
ive seen july vs kwanro and sea vs...some zerg
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On October 20 2007 22:32 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:30 Day[9] wrote: you know
this one time i got this really huge boner and i was totally ready to go and like... then... then my mind wandered and i didn't have a boner anymore.
that experience should be called a Hwasin RoFL, legendary! the opposite should be a bisu?
one time i came when i was limp
THAT should be called a bisu
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omg. its gonna be dt drop. bisu's dt is so scary. come on hwasin block that shit
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horrible shitass lag
robo and archives finish at the same time, DT drop on the way
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hwasin hides turret under ebay!
DT in the house, but hwasin blocks off his mineral line with supply and tank + turret
bisu drops a crapload more DTs plus a goon
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Omfg...play straight :°° i could have a serious heart attack..
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waah!
bisu gettin all aggro w/ his DTs!
BISSUUUUUU KILLIN THE MACHINE SHOP
MACHINE SHIP DOWN!
WAAAHH
Things are looking GREAT for hwasin and NOT SO GREAT for bisu
natural expo now finished for bisu.
bisu ALSO took the @12 main! cool!
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DTs kill off the shop, but hwasin looks to hold with turrets with scan coming up
bisu being annoying with that shuttle, but the DT drop didn't really do much damage
edit: haha scrap that, he just ninja'ed in a DT and killed a tank plus stuff
bisu upping to 8 gates
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hwasin barrax floats around bisus base like a saggy old person boob
wow, bisu just added 8 gateways....
jesus lol
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Nice goon control from bisu there but vults still do damage there wtf.
That 12 expo from beesuit is gonna hurt hwasin though.
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Hwasin doing the vulture raid aggressive type of thingie again
he did get a pretty decent amount of probes tho!
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On October 20 2007 22:39 Day[9] wrote: hwasin barrax floats around bisus base like a saggy old person boob
wow, bisu just added 8 gateways....
jesus lol
yeah wtf at that gate spam
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again i have a feeling bisu will lose, just like last game.
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vult harass kills nearly all the probes at bisu's nat
hwasin has a LOT of tanks...
vult sees 12 expo, pinging away at pylon wall now
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Finally sees 12 I guess. tududu... 1 ninja zeal sent over to deal with the vultz0r.
Hwasin seems to be attempting to move out wonder if hell get pinched and splattered again like last time.
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hwasin moving out with way too many units to manage...
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ooh hwasin expoing to the @6 central expo
ooh goliaths coming!
yaay for goliaths against those pesky shuttles
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oops! bisu totally kills the shit out of the @6 expo attempty by hwasiny
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vults mining off access to 12 but cannon behind pylon wall deters him
another vult raid @ bisu's nat
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agh
hwasin's vultures ride the short bus straight into bisu's cannons
bisu is in mass zealot mode
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OMG why do these 2 make that games so intense all the time! i can barely breathe
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On October 20 2007 22:41 niteReloaded wrote: again i have a feeling bisu will lose, just like last game.
And I have a feeling that you will be completely wrong, just like last game.
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fpvod seems to show bisu going air, and expanding at the 12 nat
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god
bisu decides to go carriers
that's coo
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god, hwasin has ALOT of stuff
hwasin fucks pretty hard w/ bisu's attack, and realizes he's light yeares ahead
HWASIN ON THE MOVE!!
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God ok so hwasin JUST killed off a HUGE amount of bisu's army and still has fighters leftover
GO ATTACK HIM NOW HWASIN GOGOGOGO
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yeps, 3 stargate carriers coming up
bisu engages hwasin's expo attempt at 6! massive lag! i have no idea what the hell just happened but bisu seems to have done some damage to hwasin's army
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oh boy. carriers comming out soon =(
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OK GOOD HWASIN GOOD THAT'S A GOOD HWASIN!
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oh my
it appears our good friend hwasin spotted the carriers?
machine shop is busy researching and goliaths are being made!
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another vult probe into bisu's nat before quickly withdrawing
hwasin seems firmly ahead on the unit front, but carriers are coming =)
random harass @ 12 nat expo deals little damage
3 carriers out for bisu
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GOD JESUS
HWASIN JUST DOESNT WANT TO ATTACK EVER WHY IS THIS SO T.T
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HOLY FUCK HWASIN HAS SO MANY GUYS
HOLY FUCKING FUCK
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omg bisu just sweaps away hwasin. time after time. giant army fighting him back while 3 varrs are warping.. MY MAN!
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the macro these 2 have is just so amazing
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hwasin pushes 12 with a shitload of guys
bisu engages with carri0rs
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hwasin attack moves over bisu's entire army w/ fucktons of units leftover
hwasin raping the @12, but bisu trying desperately to hold w/ 6 carriers (low on interceptors tho)
MY STREAM IS FUCKAJGKLSFJDLA LAGGING ! JFKLSJGKLAS NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Netherlands19123 Posts
THIS IS SO EPIC
EEEPPICCCCCXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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bisu harasses hwasin's expo at 3 for a little bit while carriers continue being annoying
seems hwasin is still very firmly ahead on the unit front
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Bisu counter attacking Hwasin's @3 high ground expansion
Hwasin sending reinforcements to defend and the like
it appears Bisu is going to lose his @12 base pretty badly here
Hwasin wins i think!! :D :D
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massive lag
bisu finishes hwasin's 3 and moves on to the 6
hwasin's army of doom moving around raping stuff though
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god bisu still has alot of ground units and is keen on taking out the rest of Hwasin's expansions!!
OH FUCK ITS THE UNIT COMBINATION OF DOOM
CARRIER DRAGOON TEMPLAR
Hwasin's @6 high ground expo in serious trouble!
Hwasin's @3 expo dead!
FUCK BISU KILLED THE COMMAND CENTER!!
BISU HAS A HIDDEN ISLAND EXPANSION FJSALKGJAKLF
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Netherlands19123 Posts
THE SUSPENCEE IS KILLING MEEEEEEEEEEEE
AAAAAASAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGHHHASAAAAA
DAVE
CLIMAX WITH MEE
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the minimap looks hopeless for bisu but carri0r + storm and some shit rape hwasin's 6 as well
carriers just raping the hell out of everything, and bisu has random island unspotted
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holy fucking shit...
i think bisu just like... won
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Whoever predicted we'd see the true MSL finals here was completely right.
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Carriers + storm is just too fucking strong, looking grim right here.
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this is insane (and sparta)
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Aaargggh FUCK FUCK FUCK auto win carriers =[.
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this is freaking absurd, bisu is right up to hwasin's nat now with carriers and storms and shit
hwasin's army of doom disappeared, hwasin in utter shambles
HWASIN GGS
BISUUUUUUUUUUU
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Braavos36362 Posts
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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what a fucked up game. Wackoes 8D
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BISU YOU FUCKING MONSTER. <3
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If Bisu still wins this then that is sick.
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yeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss!!!! COME ON!
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Bisu has the balls of steel.
Did you guys notice how many times bisu engaged in the fight outnumbered and in a bad position? And somehow he managed to kill more stuff that he should have?
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again... hwasin loses to the former champion. =*( hwasin maybe next time
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FUCK YES.!!
suck shit bisu (protoss) haters
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BISUUUSUUSUSUSUSU!!!! <3<33<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<333 YESS
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credit to these two for putting on such great games...
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Bisu is gonna win teh MSL !@#
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I'm sad .
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hwasin looks so miserable and pitiable, I feel so bad for him =(
but bisu is throuuughhhhhhhhhhhh and ready to rape the shit out of kwanro
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god damn bisu just won 2 games he should've lost! ARGAGAG
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jesus, how did he do that seriously. It was like 4base terran vs 2base protoss and all of the sudden he just goes in with goon/carrier/storm and kills everything
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HOW THE FUCK BISU MANAGED TO WIN THIS OO...THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE
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KIM TAEK YONG! omg im so satisifed right now!!!
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hwasin already had the game and continued sloppy losing his expos and lost.
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AHAHAH HWASIN CRY...CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
<marquee><font size="8">YESSSSSSSSSS</font></marquee>
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On October 20 2007 22:54 Zea! wrote: HOW THE FUCK BISU MANAGED TO WIN THIS OO...THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE
he did not manage to win, hwasin managed to lose.
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damn carriers...bisu cant play straight up like a real man
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I have an enormous respect for these two after that. For the sake of such amazing games as this, I (And I hope all the other Bisu/Hwasin fans agree with me) Hope he will never become another insurance Terran again. Hwasin may have lost it due to sloppy playing, but that was enjoyable and close either way.
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Yes, oh God yes
In your face disbelievers.
Bisu for the third title. No one can stop him now.
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light is crying in waiting room. savior is crying in his apt watching msl tv.
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bisu's PvT is almost as good at Stork's.
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Braavos36362 Posts
bisu comes through when it matters
he just doesn't know how to lose
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YOU ARE A TRUE CHAMPION!!! PROTOSS GOD! fuck fucking insurance noob
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China3334 Posts
no idea how bisu made these two great great great PVT!!! weak PVT? SHUT UP!!!
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On October 20 2007 22:56 jaesung wrote: light is crying in waiting room. savior is crying in his apt watching msl tv. hahahah. poor savior.
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Nothing would make me happier than seeing Savior wipe that shiteating grin off of Bisu's face.
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OMG i closed stream when i thought bisu had lost and i went bed to cry! I can't belive he won!! Fortunatly i'll be able to watch it at Youtube in few hours thx to Baezzi(Jon747) I'm so confused... but happy at the same time ^^ i really thought the protoss time was gonna fall.
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it always looks like bisu will lose to the firt push but then suddenly out of nowhere theres a group of zealtos which saves the day t.t
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On October 20 2007 22:55 lostman wrote: damn carriers...bisu cant play straight up like a real man
are you serious?
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On October 20 2007 22:55 HaXxorIzed wrote: I have an enormous respect for these two after that. For the sake of such amazing games as this, I (And I hope all the other Bisu/Hwasin fans agree with me) Hope he will never become another insurance Terran again. Hwasin may have lost it due to sloppy playing, but that was enjoyable and close either way. completely agree, watching matches between these two is the most entertaining rivalry i've ever had the joy of watching. every series is so damn close between them, and every game is a repeated "HOLY SHIT HWASIN HAS SO MUCH STUFF" and then "HOW THE FUCK DID HE BREAK THAT"
i stayed up until 9 AM just to watch this amazing set of games
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Unbelievable decisionmaking by Bisu- Hwasin lost when he engaged Bisus Carrier/Goon/Temp army consecutively with his split armies to save his expo. What a gamble by the champion.
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On October 20 2007 22:57 malkavian47 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:55 lostman wrote: damn carriers...bisu cant play straight up like a real man are you serious?
Yes
Watch stork for REAL man pvt..none of this DT drop and carrier base for base etc
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On October 20 2007 22:59 lostman wrote: Yes
Watch stork for REAL man pvt..none of this DT drop and carrier base for base etc
qft!
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P is imba threads, gogogogo; to let off some steam
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On October 20 2007 22:57 asel wrote: it always looks like bisu will lose to the firt push but then suddenly out of nowhere theres a group of zealtos which saves the day t.t
He sure as hell proved he is a champion in every matchup and every sense of the word today. .
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just look at Jin Yung Soo face T^T i am so sad...
bisu is just fucking art,this guy can do whatever he wants with protoss units
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Hope Kwanro rapes him 2-0...but I doubt it so I will be voting Bisu
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On October 20 2007 22:59 lostman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:57 malkavian47 wrote:On October 20 2007 22:55 lostman wrote: damn carriers...bisu cant play straight up like a real man are you serious? Yes Watch stork for REAL man pvt..none of this DT drop and carrier base for base etc ... real men goes 0-3 against 2 fac?
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 20 2007 22:59 lostman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:57 malkavian47 wrote:On October 20 2007 22:55 lostman wrote: damn carriers...bisu cant play straight up like a real man are you serious? Yes Watch stork for REAL man pvt..none of this DT drop and carrier base for base etc are you kidding, stork does the same fricken thing, he goes carriers too
stork 0-3 iris
bisu played "straight" game 2 and crushed hwasin
bisu had his dt drop do virtually no damage and still won
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I'm wondering how Stork can be #1 in Kespa...that Spot atm BELONGS to Bisu.
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Terrans crying about goob/carrier imbalance
THE IRONY
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On October 20 2007 23:00 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:59 lostman wrote: Yes
Watch stork for REAL man pvt..none of this DT drop and carrier base for base etc qft! .. Every single protoss should always use the same strategy! Always!
..Are you guys like fucking stupid or something? Its a strategy game.
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Bisu is the best player in the world right now. Period.
EDIT: someone do a "QFT" on me here!
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Stork has the best PvT, better than Bisu by a small margin (but noticable)
Hwasin should have won that game, he got sloppy with his unit organisation and Bisu took advantage
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bisu is fucken awesome
kwangro vs bisu !!!!!!
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 20 2007 23:04 lostman wrote: Stork has the best PvT, better than Bisu by a small margin (but noticable)
Hwasin should have won that game, he got sloppy with his unit organisation and Bisu took advantage Bisu should have lost that game, he would have lost if he had never been born!!!
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who gives a shit if he goes for carriers or not, winning is everything
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On October 20 2007 22:57 Hot_Bid wrote: bisu comes through when it matters
he just doesn't know how to lose
Flash do beat him 2-0 last OSL. Otherwise, I think Bisu fight in OSL final with Iris, since GGplay can't beat Bisu in Semi.
But Bisu get kick Flash out from MSL this time, I think it is a nice revenge for Bisu.
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On October 20 2007 23:00 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Mind(Omfg..),Savior,Bisu,Ra. Savior is with 1 foot in the final(If Free shows his top PvZ it'll be a cool series ;D)
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Bisu wins tournaments, Bisu rapes Jesus himself. DIE DISBELIEVERS
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stork uses so many DT and carrier. every time stork is losing a PvT you'll see him pump pure DT and carrier out of desperation lol, it's funny to watch actually.
bisu's PvT has a pretty simple formula of doing some kind of harrass early game without going all-in and following it up with enough expansions to out-macro the terran, then teching to the 3rd tier. if harrass is unlikely to be successful or not needed, he'll go straight to macro and then 3rd tier tech. of course, how he actually accomplishes this stuff is not simple or easy at all
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Russian Federation987 Posts
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEESS. BEESSSUUIIT. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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On October 20 2007 23:02 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 22:59 lostman wrote:On October 20 2007 22:57 malkavian47 wrote:On October 20 2007 22:55 lostman wrote: damn carriers...bisu cant play straight up like a real man are you serious? Yes Watch stork for REAL man pvt..none of this DT drop and carrier base for base etc are you kidding, stork does the same fricken thing, he goes carriers too stork 0-3 iris bisu played "straight" game 2 and crushed hwasin bisu had his dt drop do virtually no damage and still won
Well every player has his off day...0-3 was last season but on this seasons form Stork's PvT looks flawless. Bisu seems to always have to come from behind (just now game 2 and 3 he should have lost) whereas Stork just dominates from start to finish. And with less gay cheese ie fast expo into reaver vs straight DT drop which Bisu seems to like so much.
Bisu was sloppy in those 2 games, getting hit by mines a lot, god knows how he won
edit: all the recent games I've seen of Stork are where he dominates with standard play (1 gate expo into reaver + 3rd expo), just played to perfection - like his dismantling of Nada.
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you are indeed a lost man
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Who gives a shit, Bisu has results while Stork does not. The debate ends here.
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Strange that people whine about DTs and carriers...
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 20 2007 23:09 lostman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 23:02 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 20 2007 22:59 lostman wrote:On October 20 2007 22:57 malkavian47 wrote:On October 20 2007 22:55 lostman wrote: damn carriers...bisu cant play straight up like a real man are you serious? Yes Watch stork for REAL man pvt..none of this DT drop and carrier base for base etc are you kidding, stork does the same fricken thing, he goes carriers too stork 0-3 iris bisu played "straight" game 2 and crushed hwasin bisu had his dt drop do virtually no damage and still won Well every player has his off day...0-3 was last season but on this seasons form Stork's PvT looks flawless. Bisu seems to always have to come from behind (just now game 2 and 3 he should have lost) whereas Stork just dominates from start to finish. And with less gay cheese ie fast expo into reaver vs straight DT drop which Bisu seems to like so much. Bisu was sloppy in those 2 games, getting hit by mines a lot, god knows how he won Stork PvT looks flawless because he sometimes takes huge risks early on
did you see the Iris series!? 0-3
Bisu plays fricken conservative, even his dt drops are conservative to establish expos and play a long game
PS - love the Bisu haters, "ok bisu won but storks PvT is still better!!" (even though stork is already eliminated from the MSL and has 0 starleague wins) rofl
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I think that Stork's PvT is better than Bisu's one BUT i also think that Stork's PvT is his only strong mu..yes maybe PvP also but i don't like it that much
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Yes thats why Bisu wins tournaments and Stork doesn't...because of his PvZ.
Personally I like Stork better so i'd put his PvP over Bisu...but he did lose in the final 3-2 somehow so thats up for debate
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Braavos36362 Posts
man this msl is so good, 6 out of the 8 matches went to game 3
the two matches that were 2-0 everyone thought would go 0-2 the other way
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On October 20 2007 23:05 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 23:04 lostman wrote: Stork has the best PvT, better than Bisu by a small margin (but noticable)
Hwasin should have won that game, he got sloppy with his unit organisation and Bisu took advantage Bisu should have lost that game, he would have lost if he had never been born!!!
LOL
Pity he was born or else Stork and Hwasin would be winning lots more
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bisu didn't come from behind. lostman you have no idea what you're talking about. what level can you play the game yourself? i can't expect you're good at all with the things you're saying...
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Pity you were born.. else we wouldn't have this discussion.
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And i'm glad to see a really balanced ro8 : 3T,3P,2Z
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If what Stork said was true about his loss versus Bisu and if we remember his inability to stop Iris 3:0ing him due to a perfect two factory play, Stork's greatest enemy appears to be himself. The same seems to apply to Hwasin, he can jump all over the advantage and grind Bisu flat in the STX vs MBC game, he can win the first one with blunt force macro in the MSL, but the moment Bisu smells the weakness or mistake, he pounds them flat and never relents. Bisu looses to Flash's all in builds 2:0 in the OSL, and then absolutely crushes him in the next meeting (despite a bad proxy versus OOv just before). Stork still hasn't won that BO3 vs Godzerg. Hwasin still can't beat Bisu, lost to Savior in the MSL and GGplay in the OSL.
This is why for all Bisu's weaknesses that let Stork and Hwasin take those advantages, he's got the titles. It took a personality like his to dethrone a champion (that cold-blooded motherfucker of a cuban gangster Zerg). We can talk about Who has the better PvT all day, but let's be honest here. Bisu has the best matchups when it counts, or at the very least he's the one who forces those mistakes when it's nessecary. That's coming from someone like me, who has always adored my little Birdtoss/Dinoman and gets rather angry when nobody acknowledges his dominant PvT and PvP.
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On October 20 2007 23:19 HaXxorIzed wrote: If what Stork said was true about his loss versus Bisu and if we remember his inability to stop Iris 3:0ing him due to a perfect two factory lay, Stork's greatest enemy appears to be himself. The same seems to apply to Hwasin, he can jump all over the advantage and grind Bisu flat in the STX vs MBC game, he can win the first one with blunt force macro in the MSL, but the moment Bisu smells the weakness or mistake, he pounds them flat and never relents. Bisu looses to Flash's all in builds 2:0 in the OSL, and then absolutely crushes him in the next meeting (despite a bad proxy versus OOv just before). Stork still hasn't won that BO3 vs Godzerg. Hwasin still can't beat Bisu.
This is why for all Bisu's weaknesses that let Stork and Hwasin take those advantages, he's got the titles. It took a champion to dethrone a champion (that cold-blooded motherfucker of a cuban gangster Zerg Savior). We can talk about Who has the better PvT all day, but let's be honest here. Bisu has the best matchups when it counts. That's coming from someone like me, who has always adored my little birdtoss and gets rather angry when nobody acknowledges his dominant PvT and PvP.
* And i must admit that i didn't like Bisu so much before but now i must admit that he's grown so fucking much..he has got that champion touch that only other few people have imho...ok,hwasin should have won game 3 but after he raped bisu's exps i thought bisu could do nothing..then i saw 32191092 units coming out frome nowhere..that's incredible and i'd say Cheater Protoss Oo..
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On October 20 2007 23:17 NonY[rC] wrote: bisu didn't come from behind. lostman you have no idea what you're talking about. what level can you play the game yourself? i can't expect you're good at all with the things you're saying...
Well I was talking about game 2 when I said coming from behind, Bisu was definitely behind for a while (Hwasin kept killing probes at his 3rd while he had his own 3rd up uninterrupted for a while) yet he somehow pulls a mass of units out of his ass and wins >_<.
I don't play anymore but I definitely know the game at a high level - I know what im talking about just my bias against Bisu might be skewing my interpretations somewhat..
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Braavos36362 Posts
Hwasin is moving dangerously into Midas territory
1-2 Bisu GomTV3 MSL 1-2 GGPlay Daum OSL 2-3 Bisu GomTV2 MSL 2-3 Savior GomTV1 MSL
wins in proleague and always qualifies
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Thats why I'm always so happy when he gets cheesed. The 2-0 game on Monty Hall where Flash 2 raxed him was so satisfying.
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Have you seen how calm Bisu is? It's just amazing how confident he looks. Can't wait for Savior and Bisu to clash again... Hope it won't be as onesided as before lol.
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On October 20 2007 23:23 Hot_Bid wrote: Hwasin is moving dangerously into Midas territory
exactly what i was thinking
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Yes Bisu. Fuck yes. I love that hunk of man.
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On October 20 2007 23:25 lostman wrote: Thats why I'm always so happy when he gets cheesed. The 2-0 game on Monty Hall where Flash 2 raxed him was so satisfying.
See, this is what makes Bisu such an amazingly enjoyable player to watch for me. When Stork was crushed by Savior, he's never really looked great against Savior in my eyes. When Hwasin was called the "insurance" terran by Bisu, Bisu then pounded him flat, built scouts and clutched the MSL showdown with his signature DT's off a risky one base play. However, the moment Bisu met Flash again, he iirc prepared for another series of early 'cheeses', and crushed Flash utterly. No fear, no restraint, just a casual annihilation of another obstacle in his way.
IMHO the phrase 'just another zerg' has another ring of truth to it here. Perhaps 'just another obstacle' is what we'll all call it soon. And this vexes me greatly, because Stork is still getting knocked out instead of standing up the challenge in the meantime.
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On October 20 2007 23:25 lostman wrote: Thats why I'm always so happy when he gets cheesed. The 2-0 game on Monty Hall where Flash 2 raxed him was so satisfying.
..so your basically just hating on bisu?
you said real men dont dt drop or carriers or w/e and then said cheese
then you say your GLAD flash CHEESED him... your glad flash cheesed but if bisu does it it's wrong... for the sake of argument?
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High chance of Savior vs Bisu gom msl repeat. If that happens hope results are reversed this time =p
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Bisu: "To all you haters out there on TL.net: yea. suck it. you know who you are."
edit: Waking up and seeing this is better than sex in the morning.
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Savior vs Bisu finals again! He just played his hardest match I think. It's very likely now! Make this one epic BO5. Doesn't matter who wins! (I like both players a lot. And I really really want Bisu to grab another title, but I really want Savior to atleast avenge his earlier finals losses against Bisu).
Bisu has every quality of a champion. Just like Savior.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
My version of the bracket:
(yeah, I'm a bit late I know :O)
Oh and, don't like Bisu?
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On October 20 2007 23:33 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 23:25 lostman wrote: Thats why I'm always so happy when he gets cheesed. The 2-0 game on Monty Hall where Flash 2 raxed him was so satisfying. ..so your basically just hating on bisu? you said real men dont dt drop or carriers or w/e and then said cheese then you say your GLAD flash CHEESED him... your glad flash cheesed but if bisu does it it's wrong... for the sake of argument? totally agree, and bisu's builds aren't even cheese, the dt drop i don't think is intended to kill hwasin as much as harass and slow him down, it's not "fail or lose"
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On October 20 2007 23:33 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 23:25 lostman wrote: Thats why I'm always so happy when he gets cheesed. The 2-0 game on Monty Hall where Flash 2 raxed him was so satisfying. ..so your basically just hating on bisu? you said real men dont dt drop or carriers or w/e and then said cheese then you say your GLAD flash CHEESED him... your glad flash cheesed but if bisu does it it's wrong... for the sake of argument?
Yea...I'm a Bisu hater. I hate him almost as much as I hate Savior...if it comes down to a Savior/Bisu final I will cry (even though the games will be good).
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lol KizzBG the pic says it all =P
IM SO HAPPY
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 20 2007 23:45 lostman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 23:33 Camlito wrote:On October 20 2007 23:25 lostman wrote: Thats why I'm always so happy when he gets cheesed. The 2-0 game on Monty Hall where Flash 2 raxed him was so satisfying. ..so your basically just hating on bisu? you said real men dont dt drop or carriers or w/e and then said cheese then you say your GLAD flash CHEESED him... your glad flash cheesed but if bisu does it it's wrong... for the sake of argument? Yea...I'm a Bisu hater. I hate him almost as much as I hate Savior...if it comes down to a Savior/Bisu final I will cry (even though the games will be good). wow you are like the exact opposite of me as a starcraft fan haha
let's just hope the games are good!
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I dunno why but the Kwanro vs Bisu match smells the upset
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Braavos36362 Posts
haha this Ro8 is 50% CJ
and could be 100% by semis
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United States5262 Posts
IS it really true? There are more Proti than there are Zerg in the MSL Quarters? Amajing grace.
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omfg I just woke up and read the entire thread almost having a heart attack everytime I read "Hwasin has this, Hwasin more expos than Bisu" I´m so fucking happy Bisu made it, I really doubt anyone can beat him in a bo5 now
btw no VODs?? =[
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so is it over yet? if so who won
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 20 2007 22:30 Day[9] wrote: you know
this one time i got this really huge boner and i was totally ready to go and like... then... then my mind wandered and i didn't have a boner anymore.
that experience should be called a Hwasin haaha
half of oov's loss seems to be from not catching up due to a failed early cheese attempt. dude should just try to play positional amp control.
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 21 2007 01:19 Sadness wrote: btw no VODs?? =[ Please give the VOD uploaders time, at least a day. If they come out earlier than that it's great, but you can't check the thread a few hours after the matches and expect VODs
On October 21 2007 01:21 SixSongs wrote: so is it over yet? if so who won
Read the thread before you post. At least read the first post.
Edit: You have been temp banned before (2 days) for not reading threads (or at least the OP) before you post. Now you have a week.
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o m g n o w a i
I hate bisu, I hate mind, this is the worst thing ever....
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KwanRo8, it's going to be hilarious if this mofo overcomes all and fucks up everyone this MSL. I would personally cry. But whose next KwanRo's hitlist? I remember it just gets harder for him after every round.
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bisus up next, then i think winner of xellos vs ra?
bisu is just gonna shit all over kwanro though
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Wow Bisu fans are annoying with their constant persecution delusions. But mad respect to Bisu. I hope Savior owns him though
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I still can't believe Hwasin is out. First it was sAviOr, now it's Hwasin. I hate bisu so much.
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It'd be hilarious if kwanro wins the whole thing;DD!!
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Bisu will mess it all up as usual. I hate bisu..>.<
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Bisu need to lose so badly right now
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On October 20 2007 23:05 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: who gives a shit if he goes for carriers or not, winning is everything
discussion ends here.
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On October 21 2007 01:44 ahole-surprise wrote: Wow Bisu fans are annoying with their constant persecution delusions.
you serious? do you even read the threads?
every other post always says something to discredit his wins. And of course, following your post, almost everyone wants to see him lose. I just enjoy watching him cram it all down haters' throats.
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On October 21 2007 02:09 strongwind wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 01:44 ahole-surprise wrote: Wow Bisu fans are annoying with their constant persecution delusions.
you serious? do you even read the threads? every other post always says something to discredit his wins. And of course, following your post, almost everyone wants to see him lose. I just enjoy watching him cram it all down haters' throats.
I think it has something to do with -> savior, and now hwasin.
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Yes, Bisu has haters, just as anyone who wins a lot eventually will, but I've seen multiple posts by the same people posting the same shit, something along the lines of "die bisu haters!!1" and "OMG i told u bisu gonna win fuk u all" instead of "i'm glad bisu won" as if you meld your ego with a starcraft player's success (or protoss or whatever). That's what I'm talking about.
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On October 21 2007 02:16 Wizard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 02:09 strongwind wrote:On October 21 2007 01:44 ahole-surprise wrote: Wow Bisu fans are annoying with their constant persecution delusions.
you serious? do you even read the threads? every other post always says something to discredit his wins. And of course, following your post, almost everyone wants to see him lose. I just enjoy watching him cram it all down haters' throats. I think it has something to do with -> savior, and now hwasin.
I know, most of them are savior fans. I just hate people that discredit his wins and then pretend they didn't say anything against him. If you hate him, just say it, no one is fooled by these half-insults, like calling dt drops or carriers "cheese".
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On October 21 2007 02:22 ahole-surprise wrote: Yes, Bisu has haters, just as anyone who wins a lot eventually will, but I've seen multiple posts by the same people posting the same shit, something along the lines of "die bisu haters!!1" and "OMG i told u bisu gonna win fuk u all" instead of "i'm glad bisu won" as if you meld your ego with a starcraft player's success (or protoss or whatever). That's what I'm talking about.
Say that about savior fans when they go ape-shit when he wins a game, k?
Not picking on him, just giving an example.
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Well Bisu must be doing something wrong, normally people like successful players. But Bisu seems to attract more haters than fans. I don't like him too, 3 reasons: he looks arrogant, he kills the best ZvP player so easily but struggles against several others he should kill easily, and his gameplay is strange/opaque (I'm often surprised how he pulls something off). In comparison, I have nothing against Stork who is just as skilled overall. It's just the style...
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On October 21 2007 02:47 Brutalisk wrote:Well Bisu must be doing something wrong, normally people like successful players. But Bisu seems to attract more haters than fans. I don't like him too, 3 reasons: he looks arrogant, he kills the best ZvP player so easily but struggles against several others he should kill easily, and his gameplay is strange/opaque (I'm often surprised how he pulls something off). In comparison, I have nothing against Stork who is just as skilled overall. It's just the style...
but once again, I think at the root, it's a hatred towards savior killers
i hate bisu
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On October 21 2007 02:56 Wizard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 02:47 Brutalisk wrote:Well Bisu must be doing something wrong, normally people like successful players. But Bisu seems to attract more haters than fans. I don't like him too, 3 reasons: he looks arrogant, he kills the best ZvP player so easily but struggles against several others he should kill easily, and his gameplay is strange/opaque (I'm often surprised how he pulls something off). In comparison, I have nothing against Stork who is just as skilled overall. It's just the style... but once again, I think at the root, it's a hatred towards savior killers i hate bisu
Thats interesting, I actually really hated Savior and was a huge fan of Bisu right after he 3-0'd him.
But then he started doing cocky shit like mass scouts and I grew to hate him. I guess I hate them both because they are arrogant.
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He is Protoss and he is a champion. I like him.
I'm simple that way.
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On October 21 2007 02:47 Brutalisk wrote:Well Bisu must be doing something wrong, normally people like successful players. But Bisu seems to attract more haters than fans. I don't like him too, 3 reasons: he looks arrogant, he kills the best ZvP player so easily but struggles against several others he should kill easily, and his gameplay is strange/opaque (I'm often surprised how he pulls something off). In comparison, I have nothing against Stork who is just as skilled overall. It's just the style... Wake up to find Bisu actually did manage to rally back from 0-1 to 2-1 the match and it sounds like a whole bunch of people are upset he didn't just roll over and die to Hwasin instead of winning.
Oh he has his fans alright... don't his anti-fans complain all the time that his fans are just too enthusiastic and that is why Bisu turns them off?
Well, when his anti-fans come out, it's not a prettier picture apparently. They could do with some lowering of the foolishness level.
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I cant believe people still doubt Bisu
LOSERS!!!
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1. Mine minerals. 2. Do very little damage with Reaver or DT harass. 3. Lose a tonne of probes to vulture raids. 4. Lose your multis. 5. ??? 6. Rape the shit out of the terran push.
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Omg I'm so happy right now.
BTW, Mind has an easy road to the MSL semis now, Mania apparently sucks balls in TvT. Right now it looks like we'll have a Savior vs Bisu rematch in the finals, although Kwanro's aggressive style might actually knock out Bisu. We'll see.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 20 2007 23:11 Hot_Bid wrote: PS - love the Bisu haters, "ok bisu won but storks PvT is still better!!" (even though stork is already eliminated from the MSL and has 0 starleague wins) rofl
That doesn't make sense. Stork was eliminated from this MSL by PvZ, and didn't win the last MSL because of a PvP final. In neither of those cases was his PvT at all relevant. Whether or not you think Stork or Bisu has the better PvT, you can't justify it by saying "Well Stork was eliminated from this MSL and Bisu wasn't, therefore Bisu is better at all matchups.", or even more ridiculously, "Because Stork lost a PvP final to Bisu last year it is clear Bisu's PvT is better".
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I find it interesting that Bisu will be playing Kwanro next. Why? CJ -> Savior + Kwanro.
Kwanro > Bisu in round of 8.
You heard it here!
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On October 21 2007 03:28 Jyvblamo wrote:
BTW, Mind has an easy road to the MSL semis now, Mania apparently sucks balls in TvT.
you're basing that off his stats? the losses were vs sea canata midas and hwasin. i remember cj coach hyping his tvt during the match vs midas, dont be too quick to discount it.
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kwanro will >bisu
please, kwanro, please
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On October 21 2007 03:34 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 03:28 Jyvblamo wrote:
BTW, Mind has an easy road to the MSL semis now, Mania apparently sucks balls in TvT.
you're basing that off his stats? the losses were vs sea canata midas and hwasin. i remember cj coach hyping his tvt during the match vs midas, dont be too quick to discount it. Well, I guess I didn't really take that into account. So maybe I'm underestimating him. Still, Mind showed excellent TvT against Oov, I don't really think he'll drop it to Mania, especially in a BO5.
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On October 21 2007 03:08 Aphelion wrote: He is Protoss and he is a champion. I like him.
I'm simple that way.
He is Protoss and he is a champion. I hate him.
I'm equally simple that way :-p.
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On October 21 2007 03:52 Sr18 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 03:08 Aphelion wrote: He is Protoss and he is a champion. I like him.
I'm simple that way. He is Protoss and he is a champion. I hate him. I'm equally simple that way :-p.
QFT
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ROFL you are my insurance
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For gods sake.
This would've been the perfect revenge for hwasin, fuck you bisu, fuck you.
(Hwasin actually looks pretty hot on that second pic, what the hell. Could've fooled me.)
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Oh my god, that first pic is just.........oh my god. I can't think of anything else to say to it.
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You know why Bisu looks so cocky. because he eats hwasin for lunch and has upset stomach
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It's efficient to be a Bisu fan.
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I'm watching the games now, and it seems that Bisu took the 3rd expo a lot earlier in both games and just won from there. In the first game Hwasin manged to punish him for it, but then lost the expo and it was gg. In the second games Hwasin was too slow with his third, didn't kill anything before he got his own third, bisu could make carriers, brilliant micro from bisu, gg. It didn't seem like Hwasin was at any amazing advantage throughout, but Bisu expo'd aggressively in all three games, just it seems Blue Storm isn't a good map for the kind of flanking Bisu had in mind for these games. Bisu just manages to break down the opponent's concentration through out the game, and even at a disadvantage he's somehow dictating the game. The tiny harassment wasn't effective, but it certainly fucked with Hwasin's head.
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On October 21 2007 04:54 yunicyarblejellythou wrote: You know why Bisu looks so cocky. because he eats hwasin for lunch and has upset stomach
L o Fucking L
Fail.
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United States10774 Posts
fuck u bisu hwasin ;(
savior you are my last hope. PLEASE D-E-S-T-R-O-Y Bisu into pieces in the Finals. Goddddd
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On October 21 2007 03:41 Wizard wrote: kwanro will >bisu
please, kwanro, please
i actually want bisu>kwanro so savior can rape him in the finals revenge?
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On October 21 2007 05:49 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 03:41 Wizard wrote: kwanro will >bisu
please, kwanro, please i actually want bisu>kwanro so savior can rape him in the finals revenge?
ah, good point!
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United States10774 Posts
haha savior vs bisu final would be the most badass match EVER since the times of boxer/yellow and etc
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On October 21 2007 06:03 OneOther wrote: haha savior vs bisu final would be the most badass match EVER since the times of boxer/yellow and etc
Amen. The only thing that could make it better would for it to happen in the OSL. Both players would be playing for legend status.
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United States10774 Posts
On October 21 2007 06:06 Aphelion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 06:03 OneOther wrote: haha savior vs bisu final would be the most badass match EVER since the times of boxer/yellow and etc Amen. The only thing that could make it better would for it to happen in the OSL. Both players would be playing for legend status.
MSL has a lot cooler storyline though. Bisu trying to defend his 3rd title, Savior wanting some fucking revenge (also returning to teh Maestro status in MSL)
unless you mean both OSL/MSL
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I'll do you one better. Savior vs Bisu rematch in the MSL finals PLUS Savior vs Bisu in the OSL finals. Add in that cool ninja fencing-match thing trailer from the Shinhan 3 OSL and you'll have the most epic season ever.
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actually Nada vs Savior was the highlight for me also iloveoov vs July, even though July was crushed but sure, Bisu vs Savior is also big
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On October 21 2007 06:12 Jyvblamo wrote: I'll do you one better. Savior vs Bisu rematch in the MSL finals PLUS Savior vs Bisu in the OSL finals. Add in that cool ninja fencing-match thing trailer from the Shinhan 3 OSL and you'll have the most epic season ever.
lmao
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Nada vs Savior was great, but deep down I felt that Nada didn't have a chance and wasn't the same level as Savior. He had kind of lost his luster and his wins over others weren't that impressive. With Bisu and Savior, I truly feel confident its the 2 best players in the world.
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On October 21 2007 06:09 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 06:06 Aphelion wrote:On October 21 2007 06:03 OneOther wrote: haha savior vs bisu final would be the most badass match EVER since the times of boxer/yellow and etc Amen. The only thing that could make it better would for it to happen in the OSL. Both players would be playing for legend status. MSL has a lot cooler storyline though. Bisu trying to defend his 3rd title, Savior wanting some fucking revenge (also returning to teh Maestro status in MSL) unless you mean both OSL/MSL
Maybe, but OSL wins are always the feather in the crown that separates the legends from the great players. Bisu doesn't have one yet. Savior only has one, and a second one would be significant, putting him in the same category as Oov / July / Garimto.
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ok let's just go with Savior vs Bisu in both MSL/OSL then do they have the right bracket for it in OSL though? MSL is so interesting this season I haven't been paying too much attention to OSL
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On October 21 2007 06:16 Blue wrote: actually Nada vs Savior was the highlight for me also iloveoov vs July, even though July was crushed but sure, Bisu vs Savior is also big
eh yeah Nada vs Savior was nice I guess oov vs boxer was cool too :D
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oov was so sad once he won
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 21 2007 03:33 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2007 23:11 Hot_Bid wrote: PS - love the Bisu haters, "ok bisu won but storks PvT is still better!!" (even though stork is already eliminated from the MSL and has 0 starleague wins) rofl That doesn't make sense. Stork was eliminated from this MSL by PvZ, and didn't win the last MSL because of a PvP final. In neither of those cases was his PvT at all relevant. Whether or not you think Stork or Bisu has the better PvT, you can't justify it by saying "Well Stork was eliminated from this MSL and Bisu wasn't, therefore Bisu is better at all matchups.", or even more ridiculously, "Because Stork lost a PvP final to Bisu last year it is clear Bisu's PvT is better". i think you misunderstood me... with that post i wasn't arguing that Bisu's pvt is better, i was arguing that saying "stork's pvt is still better!" is a completely irrelevant argument at this time and just kind of a childish insult
it's like savior wins shinhan3 and people respond by saying "jaedong's zvz is still better" as if that somehow "sticks it" to him
if i wanted to argue that stork's pvt was worse i'd point out that stork's only extremely important PvT series of his career (semis of shinhan3) he lost 0-3 to iris
bisu has won many important PvT series already
if there was a PvT and your life depended on it, which toss would you pick right now? i think that resolves the issue about who's PvT is better
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*whose PvT. 10 top law school na na na na na na. if you make a typo you're not good enough to be a law student
btw bisu's pvt is better ^.^
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bisu's gonna win this msl again.... wow he's unbelievably good
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why is there such anticipation for a savior vs bisu finals? considering their past record and the fact that bisu looks as good as ever while savior... doesnt, i doubt it will be a great series.
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On October 21 2007 08:42 Wizard wrote: savior would win
No, Savior will lose to Free in the quarters.
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On October 21 2007 08:43 Jyvblamo wrote:No, Savior will lose to Free in the quarters.
QFT
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
well i dont think you can give two answers to a single 'better' question without destroying the question.
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On October 21 2007 08:39 IdrA wrote: why is there such anticipation for a savior vs bisu finals? considering their past record and the fact that bisu looks as good as ever while savior... doesnt, i doubt it will be a great series.
tons of bisu fanboys + tons of savior fanboys + ideas of revenge/coming out of slump + ideas of denying revenge + chance for 3 consecutive championships against a guy who has gotten 3 championships. but yeah, there are more interesting scenarios. nal_ra could get revenge on bisu and savior and all the nal_ra fanboys could show their faces in public again. if mind, themania, kwanro or xellos reach the finals, it'd automatically be more interesting than bisu vs savior. kwanro vs free would be interesting, cuz it would mean that kwanro beat bisu and free beat savior, thus mixing up our ideas about the current zvp and pvz masters.
savior might be doing worse overall, but look at his vsP: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/135_sAviOr/games/vs-P
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thx bisu kanwarooo
go away terrans yayyyyyyyyyyy
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 21 2007 06:47 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 03:33 GrandInquisitor wrote:On October 20 2007 23:11 Hot_Bid wrote: PS - love the Bisu haters, "ok bisu won but storks PvT is still better!!" (even though stork is already eliminated from the MSL and has 0 starleague wins) rofl That doesn't make sense. Stork was eliminated from this MSL by PvZ, and didn't win the last MSL because of a PvP final. In neither of those cases was his PvT at all relevant. Whether or not you think Stork or Bisu has the better PvT, you can't justify it by saying "Well Stork was eliminated from this MSL and Bisu wasn't, therefore Bisu is better at all matchups.", or even more ridiculously, "Because Stork lost a PvP final to Bisu last year it is clear Bisu's PvT is better". i think you misunderstood me... with that post i wasn't arguing that Bisu's pvt is better, i was arguing that saying "stork's pvt is still better!" is a completely irrelevant argument at this time and just kind of a childish insult it's like savior wins shinhan3 and people respond by saying "jaedong's zvz is still better" as if that somehow "sticks it" to him if i wanted to argue that stork's pvt was worse i'd point out that stork's only extremely important PvT series of his career (semis of shinhan3) he lost 0-3 to iris bisu has won many important PvT series already if there was a PvT and your life depended on it, which toss would you pick right now? i think that resolves the issue about who's PvT is better
okay. sorry about it, i misunderstood what you were trying to say.
on the other hand, i think the response of those people was because everyone was going nuts over bisu's pvt, even though they believe stork had proven his pvt to be a notch better. and i kinda agree with them - in a high-pressure situation, bisu's proven himself, but hey, stork did beat FBH (lol) pvt in MSL semis, 3-0ed 910 (double lol), and more importantly 3-0d the same flash that 2-0 cheesed bisu in OSL. plus, 51-29 > 31-21
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Well, who would you rather take? Someone that looks very dominant, but has been untested in tight situations, or someone else that has proven himself time and time again in clutch situations? The two games today were absolutely clutch by Bisu and until Stork proves himself in clutch situations, I won't consider him the better PvT'er.
It sounds sorta like the Jaedong/Savior argument, where Jaedong has absolutely torn up T's, whereas Savior in his prime had the most clutch dark swarm defenses in some of the tightest situations possible. Which one is better? The one that's been tested under pressure gets my nod
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On October 20 2007 23:23 Hot_Bid wrote: Hwasin is moving dangerously into Midas territory
1-2 Bisu GomTV3 MSL 1-2 GGPlay Daum OSL 2-3 Bisu GomTV2 MSL 2-3 Savior GomTV1 MSL
wins in proleague and always qualifies You forgot 0-2 against Zergman in Shinhan 3.
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On October 21 2007 08:39 IdrA wrote: ... while savior... doesnt, i doubt it will be a great series.
well, he beat Stork with 1 hatch muta
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On October 21 2007 08:43 Jyvblamo wrote:No, Savior will lose to Free in the quarters. Savior will beat Free judging by how they played in the WGC Korea and the fact that he is 4-0 against him. It seems that Free has little or no confidence in himself while playing Savior (trying to cheese for example).
Also if Bisu beats rA he will have this OSL in the bag. There is no one in the top half of the bracked who has a chance against Bisu.
I know that many here, including myself, dream of Savior facing Bisu in the finals and getting his revenge but that is just not going to happen.
Savior will not beat Bisu.
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On October 21 2007 11:08 GrandInquisitor wrote: but hey, stork did beat FBH (lol) pvt in MSL semis, 3-0ed 910 (double lol), and more importantly 3-0d the same flash that 2-0 cheesed bisu in OSL. there are 3 keywords in your post: FBH 910 cheesed bisu's pvt is better than stork's
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regardless.. it's really close between Bisu and Stork in PvT. the point is ONE other protoss having PvT that's comparable to Bisu isn't much a "burn" anyway
Bisu is #1, possibly #2 in PvT, and #1 by like 100 miles in PvZ, and proved (3-0 Nal_Ra, 3-2 Stork) that he's got the best PvP too. that's why he's always a title threat, the balance. he doesn't necessarily have to be the consensus best at everything (even though he's damn close to it).
i personally would take Bisu just because he wins when it's important, but i can see how you can make an argument for stork just going on pure numbers, as a lot of people find statistics and stats more attractive than championships (lolz?)
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[QUOTE]On October 21 2007 11:08 GrandInquisitor wrote: [QUOTE]On October 21 2007 06:47 Hot_Bid wrote: [QUOTE]On October 21 2007 03:33 GrandInquisitor wrote: [QUOTE]On October 20 2007 23:11 Hot_Bid wrote: PS - love the Bisu haters, "ok bisu won but storks PvT is still better!!" (even though stork is already eliminated from the MSL and has 0 starleague wins) rofl[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make sense. Stork was eliminated from this MSL by PvZ, and didn't win the last MSL because of a PvP final. In neither of those cases was his PvT at all relevant. Whether or not you think Stork or Bisu has the better PvT, you can't justify it by saying "Well Stork was eliminated from this MSL and Bisu wasn't, therefore Bisu is better at all matchups.", or even more ridiculously, "Because Stork lost a PvP final to Bisu last year it is clear Bisu's PvT is better".[/QUOTE]stork did beat FBH (lol) pvt in MSL semis[/QUOTE]
That was one of the ugliest series I've ever seen. Stork looked horrible against FBH and is fairly lucky that FBH is pretty terrible in TvP... he probably would have lost to most decent Terrans the way he played.
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Braavos36362 Posts
thats what happens when you base your analysis strictly off the TLPD
amirite gi?
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Bisu also wins the big games.
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Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me."
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United States10774 Posts
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United States10774 Posts
Where did you find that neverdiedrone?
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On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me."
if this source is reliable, this proves Bisu hacks Zergs. Period. also explains why savior keeps losing his nuts to this guy
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OMG NeVeRDiEDrOnE if this is true the zerg race is about to be exterminated :O
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China3334 Posts
On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me."
Bisu would never reveal the truth of Bisu Magic!
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On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me."
It would be hilarious if Bisu looking at the other dude's computer all along
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On October 21 2007 18:32 fig_newbie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me." It would be hilarious if Bisu looking at the other dude's computer all along
That's true. Because "all of a sudden Bisu ..." Maybe he already see what the other dude's computer ..
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please Bisu, crush Savior once again!
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savior will get crushed, 1-2 vs pj sais it all:/
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I demand a bisudamus photoshop XD
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On October 21 2007 12:09 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 08:43 Jyvblamo wrote:On October 21 2007 08:42 Wizard wrote: savior would win No, Savior will lose to Free in the quarters. Savior will beat Free judging by how they played in the WGC Korea and the fact that he is 4-0 against him. It seems that Free has little or no confidence in himself while playing Savior (trying to cheese for example). Also if Bisu beats rA he will have this OSL in the bag. There is no one in the top half of the bracked who has a chance against Bisu. I know that many here, including myself, dream of Savior facing Bisu in the finals and getting his revenge but that is just not going to happen. Savior will not beat Bisu.
Lol, it was just a joke about Free beating Savior in response to the other guy's claim that Savior would beat Bisu in the finals.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 21 2007 12:43 yubee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 11:08 GrandInquisitor wrote: but hey, stork did beat FBH (lol) pvt in MSL semis, 3-0ed 910 (double lol), and more importantly 3-0d the same flash that 2-0 cheesed bisu in OSL. there are 3 keywords in your post: FBH 910 cheesedbisu's pvt is better than stork's
On October 21 2007 13:22 Hot_Bid wrote:thats what happens when you base your analysis strictly off the TLPD amirite gi?
you missed the fourth keyword lol
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On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me."
Yea I saw this show too.
I think the show is called star talk (스타뒷담화) on OGN.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On October 22 2007 04:58 bumpirate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me." Yea I saw this show too. I think the show is called star talk (스타뒷담화) on OGN. yea it's 스타뒷담화... I heard that episode was really interesting. I think I'll dl it.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Stork actually has (doubtfully) better mechanics than Bisu, therein his better-looking PvT and good PvP (rewatch the last MSL finals - he DOES storm better). However, Bisu is way ahead of Stork in terms of game understanding. He does exactly what needs to be done, even though with sloppier control. Bisu's PvZ style that involves always being at the right place at the right time, cannot be mimicked by anyone - just build orders and unit control won't cut it.
Game on Zodiac was pure art - I was like "omfg Bisu kills Hwasin's expos, but reinforcements will roll over him", then, a few seconds after "LOL Hwasin JUST MINED OUT his main/nat". That man found Hwasin's ONLY weak spot in that game and stroke right into it to turn a sure loss into a miraclous victory. I have doubt Stork could do it, even though his PvT is generally more neat-looking.
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On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me." That is an INSANELY deep understanding of PvZ.
Fully explains how Bisu can make them look so weak and predictable.
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On October 21 2007 16:43 NeVeRDiEDrOnE wrote: Here's what stork said himself about comparison him vs Bisu in an OGN talking program last week:
"I'm very confident about my vsZ, and I'm sure Bisu too about his vsT. We just didd't get to show it really in broadcasted matches. Actually Bisu plays very good PvsT. But his vsZ is truely incredible. Even imitating his vsZ style can be really improving. Once for an important ProLeague match, we got some supports from MBC Heroes, and Bisu was helping me prepare a PvsZ. It was unbelievable! In one game I was practicing, all of a sudden Bisu began to describe which kinds of battles will occure on the map after some minutes, on which spot of the map, which units, how many units and so on... and it happened right that way exactly! I asked afterwards how did he do that, but he didn't tell me."
Bisu is like the son of God in that description.
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I really hope Kwanro rapes Bisu now
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I really hope Bisu wins MSL Season 3 now
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There is absolutely no way Bisu will lose to Kwanro, goodbye Kwanro it was nice seeing you. You'll be more brutally beaten then your zerg brother Ma jae woon did in GOM TV MSL 1 finals.
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United States10774 Posts
On October 22 2007 09:26 Thegreatbeyond wrote: There is absolutely no way Bisu will lose to Kwanro, goodbye Kwanro it was nice seeing you. You'll be more brutally beaten then your zerg brother Ma jae woon did in GOM TV MSL 1 finals.
ma jae yoon lol just say Savior if you cant say it right
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On October 21 2007 12:09 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 08:43 Jyvblamo wrote:On October 21 2007 08:42 Wizard wrote: savior would win No, Savior will lose to Free in the quarters. Savior will beat Free judging by how they played in the WGC Korea and the fact that he is 4-0 against him. It seems that Free has little or no confidence in himself while playing Savior (trying to cheese for example). Also if Bisu beats rA he will have this OSL in the bag. There is no one in the top half of the bracked who has a chance against Bisu. I know that many here, including myself, dream of Savior facing Bisu in the finals and getting his revenge but that is just not going to happen. Savior will not beat Bisu.
You're right, bisu has 3-0'd nal_ra before in the same MSL he beat savior 3-0, but I think nal_ra has a better chance against bisu than savior at this point. I really am a savior fanboy however
and its MSL btw
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ok. one might be a protoss fan or not - but i cannot understand how a starcraft fan wants bisu to get raped in any match. he is such a sophisticated player pulling off anti-eco tech builds in elimination games AND still being able to win them when he gets behind. after years of dominating terran-micro-macro-apm-monsters (let's exclude matler for a second) there is someone who wins by having a TRULY deeper understanding of the game than his opponents. it's a honor to watch bisu playing. period.
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On October 22 2007 09:53 tKd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 12:09 TheTyranid wrote:On October 21 2007 08:43 Jyvblamo wrote:On October 21 2007 08:42 Wizard wrote: savior would win No, Savior will lose to Free in the quarters. Savior will beat Free judging by how they played in the WGC Korea and the fact that he is 4-0 against him. It seems that Free has little or no confidence in himself while playing Savior (trying to cheese for example). Also if Bisu beats rA he will have this OSL in the bag. There is no one in the top half of the bracked who has a chance against Bisu. I know that many here, including myself, dream of Savior facing Bisu in the finals and getting his revenge but that is just not going to happen. Savior will not beat Bisu. You're right, bisu has 3-0'd nal_ra before in the same MSL he beat savior 3-0, but I think nal_ra has a better chance against bisu than savior at this point. I really am a savior fanboy however and its MSL btw
First: Oneanother I love you now
now getting back on topic, Nal_ra did beat Bisu in the group stages in Gom 1 MSL
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On October 22 2007 09:53 wAVEland wrote: ok. one might be a protoss fan or not - but i cannot understand how a starcraft fan wants bisu to get raped in any match. he is such a sophisticated player pulling off anti-eco tech builds in elimination games AND still being able to win them when he gets behind. after years of dominating terran-micro-macro-apm-monsters (let's exclude matler for a second) there is someone who wins by having a TRULY deeper understanding of the game than his opponents. it's a honor to watch bisu playing. period.
huh? I know Bisu is good but to say he has a deeper understanding of the game than the likes of Nada, Boxer, Oov or even Xellos?
shut up please
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On October 22 2007 10:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2007 09:53 wAVEland wrote: ok. one might be a protoss fan or not - but i cannot understand how a starcraft fan wants bisu to get raped in any match. he is such a sophisticated player pulling off anti-eco tech builds in elimination games AND still being able to win them when he gets behind. after years of dominating terran-micro-macro-apm-monsters (let's exclude matler for a second) there is someone who wins by having a TRULY deeper understanding of the game than his opponents. it's a honor to watch bisu playing. period. huh? I know Bisu is good but to say he has a deeper understanding of the game than the likes of Nada, Boxer, Oov or even Xellos? shut up please
That might not be true, but its not enough to dismiss it offhand either.
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Yeah even though they're not in their best form, remember Nada, Boxer, Oov and Xellos did set a precedence for starcraft gameplay for years to come, waveland.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On October 22 2007 09:30 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2007 09:26 Thegreatbeyond wrote: There is absolutely no way Bisu will lose to Kwanro, goodbye Kwanro it was nice seeing you. You'll be more brutally beaten then your zerg brother Ma jae woon did in GOM TV MSL 1 finals. ma jae yoon lol just say Savior if you cant say it right What's wrong with how he said it, 마 = Ma 재 = Jae 윤 = Yoon?
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On October 22 2007 10:08 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2007 09:30 OneOther wrote:On October 22 2007 09:26 Thegreatbeyond wrote: There is absolutely no way Bisu will lose to Kwanro, goodbye Kwanro it was nice seeing you. You'll be more brutally beaten then your zerg brother Ma jae woon did in GOM TV MSL 1 finals. ma jae yoon lol just say Savior if you cant say it right What's wrong with how he said it, 마 = Ma 재 = Jae 윤 = Yoon?
He said "Ma jae woon".
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fw
Korea (South)1201 Posts
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This is how Asian's talk. I yuse play da staiacraf. So if a white boy says something else its like, green jacket gold jacket...
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On October 22 2007 10:37 yunicyarblejellythou wrote: This is how Asian's talk. I yuse play da staiacraf. So if a white boy says something else its like, green jacket gold jacket... I'm Asian..............
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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
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CA10824 Posts
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Congrats on the icon Yakii. ^.^
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making VODs of hwasin vs bisu leveled him up. Congrats yakii
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FUCK hwasin lost
poor fucking guy. sometimes in life you try your best but still fail. just gotta move on and get back up, nothing else you can do. hwasin -0- i hope he continues with an even bigger passion. he doesn't really have that face of a champion yet, but hell that's something he can earn. actually, he looked a lot more champion like this match than before. more slick, more sharp, more manly, however you wanna call it.
i would be really upset if bisu won this MSL. and i also very much doubt it. he's going to die to somebody. not even savior won 3 msls in a row! if savior and bisu fight in the finals again. no fucking way savior lets that bitch take it again. UMMF savior, stick it in him!
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Though I was angry at Bisu, now I don't care (IEST). I have lost respect (hwasin..).
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