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Ikirouta
Finland740 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:03 niteReloaded wrote: Why don't people include a Dark Archon or two in the late game... Feedback is just 50 energy and it would own Vessels.. EMP is strong.. lol | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:03 niteReloaded wrote: Why don't people include a Dark Archon or two in the late game... Feedback is just 50 energy and it would own Vessels.. EMP is strong.. It's the attention necessary. Remember these guys are doing a million things at once. It's not easy to spot a vessel and feedback it before the emp goes off. And if the emp is on the DA you've wasted a lot of resources beyond the norm. | ||
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oxKnu
1258 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:00 Sirris wrote: You slowly make carriers to force goliaths. Then defend the a move with mass templar. You dont need to make all your carriers at once. You balance them with your ground army. Just two carriers changes how the game works. Otherwise you have to attack them. I'd always prefer to have terran attacking into me. Balance what? Terran was ONLY in the upper side of the map. 2 carriers don't do anything. Where do you attack with carriers in this setup? It would be far more terrible than what Rain actually ended up doing. The game was already lost after the second attack on the 4th. By that point, upgraded Terran is simply impossible to stop on this map, unless you have 2-3 consecutive hallelujah attacks with perfect storms. His stalling strategy was very good for that game state. Not having banked up energy for stasis when Light has 40 tanks is the final blow. But Rain was bleeding already since that second attack on 4th. | ||
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TMNT
3156 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:00 Sirris wrote: You slowly make carriers to force goliaths. Then defend the a move with mass templar. You dont need to make all your carriers at once. You balance them with your ground army. Just two carriers changes how the game works. Otherwise you have to attack them. I'd always prefer to have terran attacking into me. You can't afford to have both Carrier and "mass" Templar. It's easier said than done. You're a bit of an armchair critic here. Honestly how many games have you seen Protoss switching from Shuttle Templar play to Carrier? The result is 0. They can transition into Arbiter a bit but that's it. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Sirris
681 Posts
 The arbiters did almost nothing for him. Just 2 carriers would've changed the army composition for Light a lot. You don't win with the carriers you win with the ground army but you make the ground army worse and give Terran more to worry about. | ||
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oxKnu
1258 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:06 TMNT wrote: You can't afford to have both Carrier and "mass" Templar. It's easier said than done. You're a bit of an armchair critic here. Honestly how many games have you seen Protoss switching from Shuttle Templar play to Carrier? The result is 0. They can transition into Arbiter a bit but that's it. Plus, keep in mind the map here. If Light sees some carriers popping out of nowhere when he has killed 10 HTs already he builds one round of goliaths for safety and then just A moves with his already existing 35 tanks on 3-2. | ||
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Zariel
Australia1304 Posts
My thought process is that once Terran has that many tanks, no protoss ground army is going to be able to trade reasonably against. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Sirris
681 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:06 TMNT wrote: You can't afford to have both Carrier and "mass" Templar. It's easier said than done. You're a bit of an armchair critic here. Honestly how many games have you seen Protoss switching from Shuttle Templar play to Carrier? The result is 0. They can transition into Arbiter a bit but that's it. Why can't they get carriers if they can get arbiters? We are all armchair critics None of us could play even close to their level. Once again...I'm not talking about carriers in the end game. I'm talking about before Rain made his first attack that failed miserably. Again I can see the map. So i don't blame Rain at all. Instead of sacking your army into the perfect Terran defense you show carriers and the move out, you defend with templars in shuttles on each highground...storm...then move back. Yes I'm armchairing but that's all I can do I simply think it was the best move Rain had. It's also an idea I had before I saw the games so it's not like I'm saying this out of no where. Light is so good at defense against everything...including drops and arbiters. It's better to make him attack earlier and pick it apart. Sure it could fail and I could be wrong. But I think it would've been a better chance. | ||
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Sirris
681 Posts
Rain just has a safe nexus first. Massive advantage so far for Rain. | ||
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Motivate
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TMNT
3156 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:13 Sirris wrote: Why can't they get carriers if they can get arbiters? We are all armchair critics None of us could play even close to their level. Once again...I'm not talking about carriers in the end game. I'm talking about before Rain made his first attack that failed miserably. Again I can see the map. So i don't blame Rain at all. Instead of sacking your army into the perfect Terran defense you show carriers and the move out, you defend with templars in shuttles on each highground...storm...then move back. Yes I'm aircharming but that's all I can do I simply think it was the best move Rain had.He was making Arbiters from 1 Stargate, not 2. And yet he still lost. Even Arbiter transition from mass Shuttle HT play was not that good. Game's gone from Rain after Light took his 4th. He was behind from the opening which is something the pros also said. Hence his only viable strat is Shuttle Templar (not any late tech). You're too confident with your opinion. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50878 Posts
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oxKnu
1258 Posts
On April 09 2022 19:13 Sirris wrote: Why can't they get carriers if they can get arbiters? We are all armchair critics None of us could play even close to their level. Once again...I'm not talking about carriers in the end game. I'm talking about before Rain made his first attack that failed miserably. Again I can see the map. So i don't blame Rain at all. Instead of sacking your army into the perfect Terran defense you show carriers and the move out, you defend with templars in shuttles on each highground...storm...then move back. Yes I'm aircharming but that's all I can do I simply think it was the best move Rain had. It's also an idea I had before I saw the games so it's not like I'm saying this out of no where. Light is so good at defense against everything...including drops and arbiters. It's better to make him attack earlier and pick it apart. Sure it could fail and I could be wrong. But I think it would've been a better chance.All of your theories somehow ignore the fact that Light scans constantly and always will know the exact timing of carriers and what he has to do to defend. Rain was NEVER at an eco-advantage that game which make that kind of strat viable. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50878 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3133 Posts
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Sirris
681 Posts
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Sirris
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