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June 01 2021 10:09 GMT
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
June 01 2021 10:12 GMT
#2


Thanks for making a thread ! I was trying to make on but I am no good at all !!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
June 01 2021 10:15 GMT
#3
GG!

1-0 for Zero
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
June 01 2021 10:21 GMT
#4
Not too much interest for this match

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
June 01 2021 10:31 GMT
#5
I can't tell for sure but the first two games looked like build order wins to me. Quite unfortunate, but luck should likely even out a bit in a bo7.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
June 01 2021 11:05 GMT
#6
We got a match, hero wasn't done yet. 2-2
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
June 01 2021 11:19 GMT
#7
Crazy fifth game, went completely unexpected!
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2718 Posts
June 01 2021 11:19 GMT
#8
That is actually an amazing ZvZ
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-01 11:20:37
June 01 2021 11:20 GMT
#9
that was a highly entertaining last match
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Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2718 Posts
June 01 2021 11:21 GMT
#10
That was not a Bo7?
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
June 01 2021 11:22 GMT
#11
Oh it's just a bo5? Was hoping for more, but I guess it was fun anyway
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Alessandro74
Profile Joined May 2021
5 Posts
June 01 2021 11:33 GMT
#12
Amazing comeback from Hero
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
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June 01 2021 11:39 GMT
#13
Zero
To
Hero

😇
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
June 01 2021 12:03 GMT
#14
On June 01 2021 20:39 thedeadhaji wrote:
Zero
To
Hero

😇

HA! good one

I am afraid to look at Liquibet
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
June 01 2021 12:26 GMT
#15
Only one page for this match which had 5 games

But, on Sunday, we are going to rock this world !!!!
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
June 01 2021 16:31 GMT
#16
On June 01 2021 21:26 prosatan wrote:
Only one page for this match which had 5 games

ZvZ :-)
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-01 18:09:31
June 01 2021 18:09 GMT
#17
R E V E R S E
E
V
E
R
S
E

S W E E P
W
E
E
P

Glad it wasn't a 4-0 (3-0?) but the last ZvZ was much more entertaining to watch than this one.
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
June 01 2021 19:56 GMT
#18
I think ZvZ is nice as an accent. When it's the main thing, the tournament doesn't work as well. After Larva vs hero I'm not surprise the thread's a bit dead.

Still, this was an interesting series, nice job by hero.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States342 Posts
June 01 2021 20:33 GMT
#19
I was so convinced it was going to be another 3-0 sweep after the first game, but glad they made it an interesting last game. A little confused why it wasnt a Bo7 but we probably didn't miss much.
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
June 01 2021 23:52 GMT
#20
On June 01 2021 21:26 prosatan wrote:
Only one page for this match which had 5 games

But, on Sunday, we are going to rock this world !!!!

Love your energy, thanks for doing your part for the TL scene, or whatever you call this
The original Bogus fan.
oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
June 02 2021 05:14 GMT
#21
On June 02 2021 05:33 Lazyer wrote:
I was so convinced it was going to be another 3-0 sweep after the first game, but glad they made it an interesting last game. A little confused why it wasnt a Bo7 but we probably didn't miss much.


the 3rd place match has always(?) been a bo5. or at least for the last couple of seasons. guess the korean viewers arent interested in the 3rd place match that much
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 02 2021 06:23 GMT
#22
Seems kinda weird to play a Bo7 to get into the round of 4 but then play only a Bo5 to figure out who gets third, especially since it's the only set of the day
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
June 02 2021 07:20 GMT
#23
On June 02 2021 15:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Seems kinda weird to play a Bo7 to get into the round of 4 but then play only a Bo5 to figure out who gets third, especially since it's the only set of the day

yeah agreed.. it's a bit of a weird system.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8038 Posts
June 02 2021 09:52 GMT
#24
On June 02 2021 08:52 Turbovolver wrote:
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On June 01 2021 21:26 prosatan wrote:
Only one page for this match which had 5 games

But, on Sunday, we are going to rock this world !!!!

Love your energy, thanks for doing your part for the TL scene, or whatever you call this

Thank youu Turbovolver for your kind words

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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-02 10:38:52
June 02 2021 10:38 GMT
#25
hero was in a BO disadvantage in 4 of the games but still won it, nice
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rararara
Profile Joined March 2021
115 Posts
June 02 2021 10:56 GMT
#26
On June 02 2021 15:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Seems kinda weird to play a Bo7 to get into the round of 4 but then play only a Bo5 to figure out who gets third, especially since it's the only set of the day


in sports often 3rd/4th-place-matches are regarded as a match that nobody wants.
in some competitions it gets dropped completely.

I think Bo5 is a good solution.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
June 02 2021 14:52 GMT
#27
actually that's not entirely true.. in World Championship or Olympic competition, game for 3rd place is sometimes even more hard thought than the Final.. everyone agrees that better to get a medal than to get top 4 and leave with nothing.
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-02 17:03:15
June 02 2021 17:02 GMT
#28
On June 02 2021 15:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Seems kinda weird to play a Bo7 to get into the round of 4 but then play only a Bo5 to figure out who gets third, especially since it's the only set of the day


Let me introduce you to the match-up of Terran versus Terran.
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
June 02 2021 18:18 GMT
#29
On June 03 2021 02:02 oxKnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2021 15:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Seems kinda weird to play a Bo7 to get into the round of 4 but then play only a Bo5 to figure out who gets third, especially since it's the only set of the day


Let me introduce you to the match-up of Terran versus Terran.

HAH! What is the estimated time of BO7 TvT? Is one day enough?
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
June 02 2021 18:53 GMT
#30
What a trash series, really...
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
June 02 2021 19:13 GMT
#31
The last game was fun!
May the BeSt man win.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 02 2021 19:25 GMT
#32
On June 02 2021 23:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
actually that's not entirely true.. in World Championship or Olympic competition, game for 3rd place is sometimes even more hard thought than the Final.. everyone agrees that better to get a medal than to get top 4 and leave with nothing.

There's some study (iirc maybe an informal one) that shows Olympic athletes who get third are generally happier with their achievement than those who get second
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-02 20:45:57
June 02 2021 20:45 GMT
#33
On June 02 2021 16:20 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2021 15:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Seems kinda weird to play a Bo7 to get into the round of 4 but then play only a Bo5 to figure out who gets third, especially since it's the only set of the day

yeah agreed.. it's a bit of a weird system.

I thought about that.. first blush looks off but actually makes perfect sense imo..
ro4 basically decides who is 1st/2nd place
those more important than a match that decides who is 3rd
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-02 22:02:40
June 02 2021 22:01 GMT
#34
On June 03 2021 04:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2021 23:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
actually that's not entirely true.. in World Championship or Olympic competition, game for 3rd place is sometimes even more hard thought than the Final.. everyone agrees that better to get a medal than to get top 4 and leave with nothing.

There's some study (iirc maybe an informal one) that shows Olympic athletes who get third are generally happier with their achievement than those who get second

Makes perfect sense, too.. Because often times you actually win the 3rd place match (if it's a tournament not a race, for example) but you lose the final.. so 3rd place ends tournament with a win while 2nd place end with a loss.
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rararara
Profile Joined March 2021
115 Posts
June 02 2021 22:47 GMT
#35
On June 02 2021 23:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
actually that's not entirely true.. in World Championship or Olympic competition, game for 3rd place is sometimes even more hard thought than the Final.. everyone agrees that better to get a medal than to get top 4 and leave with nothing.


didn't say it's in all sports, but in most there is only semi-finals and finals:
NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.
Tennis Grand Slams, Football Champions League, European Championship...

I think 3rd place match is cool, keep it, but Bo5 is fine.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 03 2021 01:55 GMT
#36
On June 03 2021 07:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2021 04:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 02 2021 23:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
actually that's not entirely true.. in World Championship or Olympic competition, game for 3rd place is sometimes even more hard thought than the Final.. everyone agrees that better to get a medal than to get top 4 and leave with nothing.

There's some study (iirc maybe an informal one) that shows Olympic athletes who get third are generally happier with their achievement than those who get second

Makes perfect sense, too.. Because often times you actually win the 3rd place match (if it's a tournament not a race, for example) but you lose the final.. so 3rd place ends tournament with a win while 2nd place end with a loss.

I want to say it was either a race or one of the sports where you have a score (like high jump, weightlifting, etc.) but the mentality of the 3rd place finisher was "at least I finished on the podium" rather than "I was so close to winning the gold"
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Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States342 Posts
June 03 2021 04:12 GMT
#37
On June 02 2021 14:14 oEkY wrote:
the 3rd place match has always(?) been a bo5. or at least for the last couple of seasons. guess the korean viewers arent interested in the 3rd place match that much


i've got poor memory so this has and will continue to surprise me twice a year loool, but the resulting discussion has been eye opening! i think i agree that Bo5 is fine for 3rd place match. i hope hero feels redeemed after getting 4-0'd.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4098 Posts
June 03 2021 06:55 GMT
#38
On June 03 2021 10:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2021 07:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On June 03 2021 04:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 02 2021 23:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
actually that's not entirely true.. in World Championship or Olympic competition, game for 3rd place is sometimes even more hard thought than the Final.. everyone agrees that better to get a medal than to get top 4 and leave with nothing.

There's some study (iirc maybe an informal one) that shows Olympic athletes who get third are generally happier with their achievement than those who get second

Makes perfect sense, too.. Because often times you actually win the 3rd place match (if it's a tournament not a race, for example) but you lose the final.. so 3rd place ends tournament with a win while 2nd place end with a loss.

I want to say it was either a race or one of the sports where you have a score (like high jump, weightlifting, etc.) but the mentality of the 3rd place finisher was "at least I finished on the podium" rather than "I was so close to winning the gold"


Lets not forget 4th gets significantly less price money than 3rd. I'm a very pragmatic person and to me money is a bigger factor than a title unless the trophy opens doors for me.
I'd imagine if for some odd reason 3rd got a trophy but no money while 4th got money but no trophy, then people would likely be happier about placing 4th. Except for people who already have more than enough money.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
June 03 2021 07:24 GMT
#39
On June 03 2021 10:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2021 07:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On June 03 2021 04:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 02 2021 23:52 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
actually that's not entirely true.. in World Championship or Olympic competition, game for 3rd place is sometimes even more hard thought than the Final.. everyone agrees that better to get a medal than to get top 4 and leave with nothing.

There's some study (iirc maybe an informal one) that shows Olympic athletes who get third are generally happier with their achievement than those who get second

Makes perfect sense, too.. Because often times you actually win the 3rd place match (if it's a tournament not a race, for example) but you lose the final.. so 3rd place ends tournament with a win while 2nd place end with a loss.

I want to say it was either a race or one of the sports where you have a score (like high jump, weightlifting, etc.) but the mentality of the 3rd place finisher was "at least I finished on the podium" rather than "I was so close to winning the gold"

That also makes sense.
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
June 04 2021 02:11 GMT
#40
Right, in any tourney, third place definitely feels better than second.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/why-bronze-medalists-are-happier-than-silver-winners/

As with most social psychology, this is pretty straightforward common sense when you think about it. Second place is like "nooooo i was sooo close. If only I didn't screw up that one push/harass/tiny but critical mistake which will haunt me forever...that would have been me kissing the trophy..." Whereas third is like, "meh who cares, it's not the finals or anyth--woohoo I won lolz, let's get drunk now kekeke".
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