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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19276 Posts
November 02 2020 02:34 GMT
#541
Soma played an amazing series. He doesn’t make a lot of obvious mistakes which is very impressive. It’s strange to see new blood deserving of a finals spot.

Flash, on the other hand, had a handful of mistakes in that series. It look like his hands couldn’t do everything his brain wanted him to do. The missed nexus cancel in game 5 was probably the biggest noob mistake I’ve seen Flash Make since he returned to SC1. I hope next season he doesn’t have the same physical or mental issues that stalled him in this series.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
November 02 2020 03:10 GMT
#542
In the second ZvZ, I was surprised flash didn't run around with his drones, but chose to pick a fight with the zerglings.
When he engaged Soma's lings, Flash had 13 drones, his pool was ~12 seconds from finishing, and he had 156 minerals in the bank.
Why not just run around the base with the drones, and wait for 6 lings to hatch? That seems like definitely a better choice than to just fight straight up and suffer heavy losses.

Maybe he overestimated the drones strenght, being a T player and being accustomed to the SCVs.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 03:14:58
November 02 2020 03:11 GMT
#543
Amazing series. The two TvZs were great, the ZvZs were fun mind games, and Flash got to show that he's one of the best PvZers in the world right now. He countered the mutas with the double stargate, killed a ton of overlords and almost came back after losing his natural against a guy who eats Protoss for breakfast.
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
November 02 2020 03:50 GMT
#544
On November 02 2020 05:50 LpTraxamillion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 04:31 whaski wrote:
Suprising how even progamers were so sure Flash winning even when Soma has been so on point and practicing without streaming. I enjoyed games (except game 2). Soma was on point!


The other top players actually thought Flash was favored here?

To be fair if he wins the second TvZ he is heavily favored to advance

[image loading]
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
sntct
Profile Joined February 2018
100 Posts
November 02 2020 04:57 GMT
#545
On November 02 2020 12:50 chuDr3t4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 05:50 LpTraxamillion wrote:
On November 02 2020 04:31 whaski wrote:
Suprising how even progamers were so sure Flash winning even when Soma has been so on point and practicing without streaming. I enjoyed games (except game 2). Soma was on point!


The other top players actually thought Flash was favored here?

To be fair if he wins the second TvZ he is heavily favored to advance

[image loading]


Stupid picks, stupid players. Ask any one of them if Flash is favored against Soma in ZvZ and PvZ.
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
November 02 2020 05:08 GMT
#546
On November 02 2020 13:57 sntct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 12:50 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On November 02 2020 05:50 LpTraxamillion wrote:
On November 02 2020 04:31 whaski wrote:
Suprising how even progamers were so sure Flash winning even when Soma has been so on point and practicing without streaming. I enjoyed games (except game 2). Soma was on point!


The other top players actually thought Flash was favored here?

To be fair if he wins the second TvZ he is heavily favored to advance

[image loading]


Stupid picks, stupid players. Ask any one of them if Flash is favored against Soma in ZvZ and PvZ.


What a great contributing post! When you are going to win ASL?


There must be a reason why they think so. Maybe Flash had something more planned. I am pretty sure he practiced with most of these guys.
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sntct
Profile Joined February 2018
100 Posts
November 02 2020 05:12 GMT
#547
On November 02 2020 14:08 whaski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 13:57 sntct wrote:
On November 02 2020 12:50 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On November 02 2020 05:50 LpTraxamillion wrote:
On November 02 2020 04:31 whaski wrote:
Suprising how even progamers were so sure Flash winning even when Soma has been so on point and practicing without streaming. I enjoyed games (except game 2). Soma was on point!


The other top players actually thought Flash was favored here?

To be fair if he wins the second TvZ he is heavily favored to advance

[image loading]


Stupid picks, stupid players. Ask any one of them if Flash is favored against Soma in ZvZ and PvZ.


What a great contributing post! When you are going to win ASL?


There must be a reason why they think so. Maybe Flash had something more planned. I am pretty sure he practiced with most of these guys.


Yes the reason is that korean pros always favor other pros over amateurs even when it doesn't make sense = stupid.
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
249 Posts
November 02 2020 06:12 GMT
#548
I was very pleased with Flash’s games. The fact that he lost the tiebreaker means he has potential to go even further the next season. I think the real highlight is gonna be the 3rd/4th match. Watching Flash vs Best will be awesome. Who cares about stinking ZvZ finals.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 02 2020 06:35 GMT
#549
Flash please why. You were so close to greatness.
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chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
November 02 2020 06:35 GMT
#550
On November 02 2020 14:12 sntct wrote:
Yes the reason is that korean pros always favor other pros over amateurs even when it doesn't make sense = stupid.

it's not the fact that one player played under kespa contract while other didnt
it's the fact that one players has countless COUNTLESS televised games(i'd say flash has ~1k of them at this point?) while other is a newcomer.
Nerves, comfort, tilt are a real factor in games of this level, and you can't just discount EXPERIENCE, whatever you may feel about their skill level.
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JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 12:15:27
November 02 2020 11:12 GMT
#551
On November 02 2020 15:12 Optimate wrote:
Watching Flash vs Best will be awesome. Who cares about stinking ZvZ finals.


What do you mean Flash vs Best? They will not play for 3rd/4th place. 3rd/4th place match will be Flash vs loser of Larva vs Queen. Best did not make it to Ro4 so he can not be in the 3rd/4th place match.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 14:24:16
November 02 2020 14:19 GMT
#552
i'm so happy for Soma and well played by everyone! At this rate Flash might win next year as random :D
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
November 03 2020 14:21 GMT
#553
On November 02 2020 15:35 Caihead wrote:
Flash please why. You were so close to greatness.

Not sure if the 2nd sentence is ironic or not but the thought that Flash is not great already as-is but an upcomer who wanted to attain greatness and got close but failed with this Ro4 loss and now he's just has-been average joe again, this thought process made me laugh hard.
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Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
November 03 2020 16:16 GMT
#554
On November 02 2020 04:32 Plume wrote:
ahhh that last game was so underwhelming

g1 - very funny to see flash's muta micro
g2 - my brain not big enough to understand 3 hatch before pool in ZvZ
g3 - this is the destruction i'm used to seeing
g4 - a little sloppy w/ the scourge hits, but soma really penetrated flash's mineral line so effectively
g5 - idk soma is just in insane form
g6 - at least we got to see a headshake from soma, and also hands off keyboard at the end.

g2 - Due to map distance, 9 pool is rare on this map and 12 hatch is the standard build here. 3 hatch before pool was a calculated gamble guessing that Soma was going 12 hatch, but Soma also made a calculated gamble and guessed Flash was going for econ cheese due to the map and went 9 pool. The build was a huge risk for Soma in that he would most likely be behind had Flash gone for any other build.
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kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
November 03 2020 17:06 GMT
#555
On November 02 2020 14:12 sntct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 14:08 whaski wrote:
On November 02 2020 13:57 sntct wrote:
On November 02 2020 12:50 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On November 02 2020 05:50 LpTraxamillion wrote:
On November 02 2020 04:31 whaski wrote:
Suprising how even progamers were so sure Flash winning even when Soma has been so on point and practicing without streaming. I enjoyed games (except game 2). Soma was on point!


The other top players actually thought Flash was favored here?

To be fair if he wins the second TvZ he is heavily favored to advance

[image loading]


Stupid picks, stupid players. Ask any one of them if Flash is favored against Soma in ZvZ and PvZ.


What a great contributing post! When you are going to win ASL?


There must be a reason why they think so. Maybe Flash had something more planned. I am pretty sure he practiced with most of these guys.


Yes the reason is that korean pros always favor other pros over amateurs even when it doesn't make sense = stupid.


So Free and Hero are not korean pros? So easy to call the great players of this game stupid when you cannot mantain simple coherence for more than two posts, I guess.
sntct
Profile Joined February 2018
100 Posts
November 03 2020 23:07 GMT
#556
I just gained a lot of respect for Hero and Free. Now I might even consider adding them to my team in the next Teamliquid Fantasy Proleague, or liquipedia bracket contest. I will be really excited when it starts, and I can start choosing my team; it is really fun.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
November 06 2020 02:23 GMT
#557
Flash would smash Soma in bo7 TvZ
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 06 2020 04:39 GMT
#558
This was a pretty great series. I would've loved to see the benzene game go for longer, but the 2 TvZs were really entertaining and the one on Optimizer really showed Flash's decision making and calmness. Soma was in such a great position and within minutes, he was picked apart. Flash was a bit sloppy with his vessels in the Eclipse game and felt like Soma in the ZvP losing all those overlords. Still, good fun all around!

On November 06 2020 11:23 Highways wrote:
Flash would smash Soma in bo7 TvZ

I'm not sure about smash because tbf, Soma has improved greatly from the last ASL where he was smashed by Light. Granted, there is a chance that Flash would try to play mind games like he tried against ZerO in the last ASL and lose as a result or he'll just straight up smash Soma haha.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
November 06 2020 15:26 GMT
#559
I hope Flash still has the enthusiasm to properly prepare for third place match for Larva. And for another try with random at next season Last protoss hwaiting!
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