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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
April 07 2020 11:18 GMT
#221
On April 07 2020 20:14 PVJ wrote:
80 000+ viewers watching Bisu cannon rushing

Who would have ever guessed

BROODWAR IS THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 07 2020 11:18 GMT
#222
On April 07 2020 20:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Hitchhiker looks like a map where long interesting games could be made, but it seems in practice cheese occurs instead.


Drawn out games on Hitchhiker are comical. It's always some early aggressive cheese or strat.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-07 11:20:44
April 07 2020 11:19 GMT
#223
OH come on....

I finally have time to watch a little SC and i tune it to two Bisu wins ?
Please soma.. crush him or i'll be tilted for the rest of the day

Wait that was Hitchhicker ? Wasn't this map horribly imbalanced and very old like 2006 or something?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
April 07 2020 11:19 GMT
#224
On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote:
Eat that you disgusting cheeser!


uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning

Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust

There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody.


bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying.

long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums.

bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout.

Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying.

Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying.

Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed.

No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo.

Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win.

Not at all. Outplaying is playing better. Demonstrating greater mastery. Winning is winning. Often they overlap, sometimes they don't.
~
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
April 07 2020 11:19 GMT
#225
On April 07 2020 20:17 weiliem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:09 prosatan wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:06 weiliem wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:03 prosatan wrote:
No offense to Soma but he will be outplayed in a standard match!

He went for a hydra bust in the first game and a sneaky expansion in the second game

He tried a fishy strategy now and lost when it was scouted.

How did u derive that? Non of the games have gone close to a standard game yet.... game 2 is perhaps the closest....

Yes, they weren't standard because Soma tried to cheese a little bit!
On game 2 he had that sneaky expansion! He knew that if Bisu scouted there he was going to lose.

I remember an interview in the past with terran player Go.Go. He said about Bisu that he doesn't go for chesse against "weaker" players because he knows he is better than them. Go.go practiced accordingly and knew he won't face any dts or proxy gates

LOL so what do u have to say about game 4?
guess for his fans, when bisu does proxy its good strategy, but when his opponent does it its cheater cheese


No its not for my liking when every game is like this
it's not just a music it's something else
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 07 2020 11:20 GMT
#226
So I just want to watch a standard game today pls, for the old school folks.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
April 07 2020 11:21 GMT
#227
Most satisfying cannon rush ever. Soma deserves getting cheesed hard and he knows it.
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
April 07 2020 11:21 GMT
#228
I wouldn't mind a successful 5 pool.
BW
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
April 07 2020 11:21 GMT
#229
On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote:
Eat that you disgusting cheeser!


uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning

Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust

There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody.


bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying.

long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums.

bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout.

Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying.

Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying.

Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed.

No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo.


it was 2 hatch muta into double expand, its bisu's mistake for not finding the expansion, not that he would have because he'd have to respect the 2hatch muta meaning that he'd need a fleet of sairs before he could comfortably move out, in the meantime soma decided to take that base instead.

Information control is outplaying plain and simple, especially when it works out.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
April 07 2020 11:21 GMT
#230
Is Bisu gonna reverse sweep...?
Mine gas, build tanks.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 07 2020 11:22 GMT
#231
On April 07 2020 20:21 Amanebak wrote:
I wouldn't mind a successful 5 pool.


Oh that would be awesome. As there ever be one in modern BW ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 07 2020 11:22 GMT
#232
On April 07 2020 20:21 Amanebak wrote:
I wouldn't mind a successful 5 pool.


That would be so anti-climatic, god no lol
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
April 07 2020 11:22 GMT
#233
Just one amazing macro game, please. It's sylphid. Stork & Larva do it all the time. It's been very enjoyable matchup but this is missing
The heart's eternal vow
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
April 07 2020 11:22 GMT
#234
On April 07 2020 20:22 Disregard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:21 Amanebak wrote:
I wouldn't mind a successful 5 pool.


That would be so anti-climatic, god no lol


it'd be in line
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
April 07 2020 11:23 GMT
#235
On April 07 2020 20:22 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:21 Amanebak wrote:
I wouldn't mind a successful 5 pool.


Oh that would be awesome. As there ever be one in modern BW ?

I remember Bisu losing vs Hyvaa, but the 5 pool was just the beginning, Hyvaa transitioned into something else.
BW
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 07 2020 11:23 GMT
#236
On April 07 2020 20:19 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote:
Eat that you disgusting cheeser!


uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning

Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust

There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody.


bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying.

long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums.

bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout.

Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying.

Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying.

Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed.

No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo.

Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win.

Not at all. Outplaying is playing better. Demonstrating greater mastery. Winning is winning. Often they overlap, sometimes they don't.

And what is to play better? How do you determine that? Seems like you have some artificial value in place that isn't winning or losing, in a game where winning and losing is the only thing that matters.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
April 07 2020 11:24 GMT
#237
On April 07 2020 20:22 PVJ wrote:
Just one amazing macro game, please. It's sylphid. Stork & Larva do it all the time. It's been very enjoyable matchup but this is missing

I like this comment very much !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8599 Posts
April 07 2020 11:26 GMT
#238
On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote:
Eat that you disgusting cheeser!


uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning

Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust

There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody.


bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying.

long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums.

bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout.

Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying.

Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying.

Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed.

No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo.

Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win.


This assertion is wrong. In a game where luck is a component, skill will never be the only determining factor to win, which means not every victory is caused by higher skill. And it also very much varies between games. When you place all your hopes into a strategy that is largely luck-based and win then the win is also largely luck-based as opposed to skill-based. Obviously skill plays a roll as well. I wouldn't have hold any of the cheeses here against those two even if I scouted them. But when players are on a similar level, these strategies are largely luck-based because it only comes down to scouting in time.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
April 07 2020 11:26 GMT
#239
From the building opening I think we are safe to say game 5 is pretty standard !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8496 Posts
April 07 2020 11:27 GMT
#240
Artosis stop pleaseeeee!! OMG
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
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