On April 07 2020 20:14 PVJ wrote:
80 000+ viewers watching Bisu cannon rushing
Who would have ever guessed
80 000+ viewers watching Bisu cannon rushing
Who would have ever guessed
BROODWAR IS THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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prosatan
Romania8053 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:14 PVJ wrote: 80 000+ viewers watching Bisu cannon rushing Who would have ever guessed BROODWAR IS THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
Disregard
China10252 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Hitchhiker looks like a map where long interesting games could be made, but it seems in practice cheese occurs instead. Drawn out games on Hitchhiker are comical. It's always some early aggressive cheese or strat. | ||
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
I finally have time to watch a little SC and i tune it to two Bisu wins ? Please soma.. crush him or i'll be tilted for the rest of the day Wait that was Hitchhicker ? Wasn't this map horribly imbalanced and very old like 2006 or something? | ||
Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote: On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote: Eat that you disgusting cheeser! uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody. bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying. long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums. bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout. Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying. Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying. Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed. No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo. Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win. Not at all. Outplaying is playing better. Demonstrating greater mastery. Winning is winning. Often they overlap, sometimes they don't. | ||
whaski
Finland577 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:17 weiliem wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2020 20:09 prosatan wrote: On April 07 2020 20:06 weiliem wrote: On April 07 2020 20:03 prosatan wrote: No offense to Soma but he will be outplayed in a standard match! He went for a hydra bust in the first game and a sneaky expansion in the second game He tried a fishy strategy now and lost when it was scouted. How did u derive that? Non of the games have gone close to a standard game yet.... game 2 is perhaps the closest.... Yes, they weren't standard because Soma tried to cheese a little bit! On game 2 he had that sneaky expansion! He knew that if Bisu scouted there he was going to lose. I remember an interview in the past with terran player Go.Go. He said about Bisu that he doesn't go for chesse against "weaker" players because he knows he is better than them. Go.go practiced accordingly and knew he won't face any dts or proxy gates LOL so what do u have to say about game 4? guess for his fans, when bisu does proxy its good strategy, but when his opponent does it its cheater cheese No its not for my liking when every game is like this | ||
Disregard
China10252 Posts
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote: On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote: Eat that you disgusting cheeser! uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody. bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying. long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums. bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout. Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying. Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying. Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed. No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo. it was 2 hatch muta into double expand, its bisu's mistake for not finding the expansion, not that he would have because he'd have to respect the 2hatch muta meaning that he'd need a fleet of sairs before he could comfortably move out, in the meantime soma decided to take that base instead. Information control is outplaying plain and simple, especially when it works out. | ||
Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:21 Amanebak wrote: I wouldn't mind a successful 5 pool. Oh that would be awesome. As there ever be one in modern BW ? | ||
Disregard
China10252 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:21 Amanebak wrote: I wouldn't mind a successful 5 pool. That would be so anti-climatic, god no lol | ||
PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:22 Disregard wrote: That would be so anti-climatic, god no lol it'd be in line | ||
Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:22 FFW_Rude wrote: Oh that would be awesome. As there ever be one in modern BW ? I remember Bisu losing vs Hyvaa, but the 5 pool was just the beginning, Hyvaa transitioned into something else. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:19 Lachrymose wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote: On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote: Eat that you disgusting cheeser! uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody. bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying. long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums. bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout. Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying. Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying. Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed. No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo. Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win. Not at all. Outplaying is playing better. Demonstrating greater mastery. Winning is winning. Often they overlap, sometimes they don't. And what is to play better? How do you determine that? Seems like you have some artificial value in place that isn't winning or losing, in a game where winning and losing is the only thing that matters. | ||
prosatan
Romania8053 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:22 PVJ wrote: Just one amazing macro game, please. It's sylphid. Stork & Larva do it all the time. It's been very enjoyable matchup but this is missing I like this comment very much ! | ||
Miragee
8509 Posts
On April 07 2020 20:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2020 20:16 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote: On April 07 2020 20:13 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:06 Lachrymose wrote: On April 07 2020 20:03 BLinD-RawR wrote: On April 07 2020 20:02 whaski wrote: Eat that you disgusting cheeser! uhh ok, this is the saddest line of reasoning Hydra bust -> hidden expo -> Lurker bust There's nothing wrong with having disdain for somebody playing the odds fishing for free wins over and over rather than trying to outplay somebody. bamboozling is outplaying, killing the scouting probe is outplaying because he was denied scouting info, soma knowing that you can end the match when you're ahead is outplaying. long macro games aren't the only way to say if someone is better or not, its the most archaic thinking on our forums. bisu got played, and he would have been out if he did not correctly scout. Killing a scouting probe with speedlings is not outplaying. Throwing the dice in the dark is not outplaying. Well, ok then, by your own words, Soma is outplaying Bisu because Bisu cannon rushed. No, by my own words winning with a cannon rush is not a meaningful measure of outplaying somebody. I didn't claim Bisu was outplaying Soma by dying to a hidden expo. Winning = outplaying. That's the only definable measure of skill. To win. This assertion is wrong. In a game where luck is a component, skill will never be the only determining factor to win, which means not every victory is caused by higher skill. And it also very much varies between games. When you place all your hopes into a strategy that is largely luck-based and win then the win is also largely luck-based as opposed to skill-based. Obviously skill plays a roll as well. I wouldn't have hold any of the cheeses here against those two even if I scouted them. But when players are on a similar level, these strategies are largely luck-based because it only comes down to scouting in time. | ||
prosatan
Romania8053 Posts
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