[ASL9] Ro8 Day 3

On April 05 2020 15:13 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Do you guys remember when Stork took down Last in an ASL?

On April 05 2020 14:38 Disregard wrote:
From olden days, Light has horrid TvP but now I'm not even sure anymore.

On April 05 2020 19:06 PVJ wrote:
I didn't catch: which map did Stork | Light ban?

On April 05 2020 19:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:


its an island and stork did not want to commit a drop to protect it.

On April 05 2020 19:41 Kaolla wrote:
an island base wouldn't have saved him anyway, his carrier tech was scanned the moment he made it and the game was pretty much lost from there. What good does an island base with no workers do, even if it would have survived. I feel he was doomed from the moment he committed to carriers, but yea, I guess he had to do something.

On April 05 2020 19:59 VioleTAK wrote:
Hope we get a better game now.
Just think of it as a Bo3 that's starting now.

On April 05 2020 20:07 tanngard wrote:
I just hate carriers. Games tend to be so onesided with them and it's less multipronged action in the games that they appear compared to arbiters.

On April 05 2020 19:59 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
lol Light a solid TvP player now??
Let's see if next 2-3 games he makes me eat my words

On April 05 2020 20:14 GorillaPimp wrote:


Okay boomer

On April 05 2020 20:24 nojok wrote:
This game was great and terrible at the same time.

On April 05 2020 20:25 Cush wrote:
The people who voted for “if you have time” must have an incredibly high standard of what a good game is and isn’t.

On April 05 2020 20:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Inner coven is next. I'm gonna go watch the grand tour. Only way light wins from here is from a god given miracle.

On April 05 2020 20:46 M2 wrote:
one thing is for sure, the winner here is not wining the whole thing

On April 05 2020 20:49 Akio wrote:

Yeah... sounds about right

On April 05 2020 21:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:


how is this a question, obviously Flash and Best

On April 05 2020 20:57 Wonk wrote:
This series has made me lose actual brain cells

On April 05 2020 21:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:


how is this a question, obviously Flash and Best

On April 05 2020 21:20 oxKnu wrote:
This series screamed Tesagi. Light didn't do anything.

On April 05 2020 21:24 CruelZeratul wrote:
I have a question about TvP. I'm no BW expert so this is not trolling. I always ask myself why people go for Arbiters over Templar completely even in long games when they have no desire to go for Recalls. With the Science Vessels out I never see Stasis taking out more than ~3-5 Tanks in an engagement, if any. In contrast Templar can be protected in Shuttles and always do massive damage. So after opening Arbiter tech, why would Stork not go for Templars afterwards? In all those engagements the Arbiters didn't really do a lot, particularly in the last major battle they were just EMP'ed and did nothing. I feel like Templar would have done way more damage throughout the game. But Stork is a pro so I'm pretty sure doing it his way is way better, I just don't really see how.

On April 05 2020 21:26 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

Tanks. HT are just as easily EMPed as Arbiter.

On April 05 2020 21:38 RowdierBob wrote:
Never know why protosses don’t commit to making more arbs. You can’t take down the mech ball with one or two. But in larger numbers you can do big damage with stasis chopping the army in half. Got to micro them well vs emp though. Best does it well vs flash but never see other Ps go this way.

Light winning is good for Bisu. But Soma will be tough.

On April 05 2020 22:44 Ej_ wrote:

How?

On April 06 2020 00:11 arbiter_md wrote:

Preparation. Light came prepared only for the 4-th map. Stork prepared em all with unexpected builds.

On April 05 2020 21:24 CruelZeratul wrote:
I have a question about TvP. I'm no BW expert so this is not trolling. I always ask myself why people go for Arbiters over Templar

On April 06 2020 19:29 outscar wrote:
My God, games were so fucking weird but not really good, I fell asleep already halfway through. Light didn't play convincingly, seems like his TvP is still trashy although last game was solid. Loved Stork's bravery but he needed to stick with carriers on 5th game too because he's the Son of Carriers.

On April 05 2020 21:30 CruelZeratul wrote:


Templars in Shuttles can't really be EMPed.

On April 06 2020 07:37 oshibori_probe wrote:
I haven't read the 9 other pages so forgive me... but what in the world was stork thinking with ferrying his units to the center on inner coven while Light double expanded?

It struck me as a move you'd see on a map like 815 that was strikingly inferior and much more apm intensive than just opening up a pathway to the center where he can have a better way of dealing with basically anything light could be doing. Yes, stork didn't know what Light was doing but I can't think of a single scenario where you'd want your army in the center without a retreat path. Is it even that much faster for an attack than having your goons and reaver kill the neutral buildings?

On April 07 2020 02:08 Djabanete wrote:
G2 Light was expecting more of Stork's push-break to come from the high ground. Light's tank clump was good at shooting high-ground targets in that situation. Light wanted to avoid the problem where only few tanks are positioned to fire at high ground, the Protoss player bites off just the front of the push, and tanks have to be repositioned to fire at high ground, repeat again and again until the Protoss player has bought enough time. Light wanted the push to be effective in a hurry, so he made sure a lot of tanks were aiming at high ground in order to force the engagement to happen asap. Stork countered him by sweeping in from the low ground.

It's not like Light doesn't know what he's doing in TvP. Seemed to me like he knew what he was doing every single game.

On April 06 2020 16:41 Djabanete wrote:
Game 3... incredible.

Light was really impressive in games 4 and 5. His mentality was rock-solid, and he showed creativity in his approach to both games. His strategy on Inner Coven clearly was more than Stork was ready to handle. Stork either didn't know about those greedy, greedy bases or didn't know how to touch them. And in game 5 the greed paid off again --- Light expanded to his third and fourth at the same time. This is how Bo5 series are won: keep a strong attitude and bring something special that the opponent isn't ready for. I was cheering for Stork (and that game 3... wow) but today Light played like a champ. I would feel fine saying Light is the favorite to win the tournament based on his mentality, preparation, and skills, but... there's Flash.

Edit: I have never seen a Protoss be *as* ready to trade bases while playing fast carriers as Stork was. My impression was that Light did not expect Stork to take game 3, and that Stork pushed new limits in terms of carrier tactics. Stork went into game 3 *planning* to sacrifice his natural! It's not like he could possibly have expected Light not to push, right? So he must have intended all along to lose his natural to the push, and just make up the deficit by counterattacking and then pincering the push. And then he sacrificed his natural again later for the win. Usually players use their carriers to *defend* against the push and then rebound if they succeed in the defense. But they often don't succeed in the defense, and then it's game over. Stork aimed to take the game to a different place, and he was clearly planning to win much of the Bo5 playing his carriers in this aggressive, base-trading way.