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TLADT24920 Posts
Some nice games, but my god can Bisu's engagements be just as bad as I remember lol. His game vs ZerO can be excused because it feels like there was a misclick or something which is why the shuttle got sniped, and while it's hard to tell why he stuck to goon/reaver (Best won using the same strat vs Soulkey on Outsider in ASL3 so its definitely viable), his games vs Sharp were somewhat sad. He did a great job early game and grabbed a huge macro advantage in game 1 then despite being up 60 supply, he rammed his own army into Sharp's and from there, it was history. Then on MP in the next game, same scenario. Was up what, 166 to 117 supply or something? Rams his army into Sharp but he doesn't control it properly yet again and Sharp ends up defending. Had Sharp sat back, built his army and pushed, he might've actually took that second game. It was still 3 to 3 base and Bisu just lost a ton of his army. Game 3 was much better for Bisu though so at least there's hope!
Then we got that game vs Best on hitchhiker. Strat was nice enough and at one point, he actually had the zealot+shieldbattery advantage but instead he completely floundered and Best won the game. I'm not sure how anyone can see that and not facepalm lol.
Offtopic: Would be nice if tastosis chilled a bit with the hype. More specifically phrases like "He's so good" even when what took place was nothing close to that (imo). It's like a catch phrase now and gets used all the time haha. They were much more on point today compared to group C so that's a plus in my book.
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On March 24 2020 20:13 EsportsJohn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2020 20:10 mishimaBeef wrote:
now that i think of it, did he have his corsairs with the attack on the 3rd? They were hanging out at the main/natural looking for overlords. Maybe the idea was to draw Zero's scourge/attention to the corsairs while he made a beeline for the 3rd and bought enough time to get up on the ramp.
watched it again
you know what? haha, his corsairs went to the main to kill that one scouting overlord, you can see them leave the main to fly across the map soon after the shuttle is dying
(re: bisu vs queen match 2/5 today, bo1 -- where bisu attempted a timing attack on the zerg 3rd with reaver goon)
pretty unfortunate, he might have gotten up the ramp with a decent army + reavers had the shuttle survived the initial scourge
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On March 25 2020 06:16 BigFan wrote:
Some nice games, but my god can Bisu's engagements be just as bad as I remember lol.
In PvT yes. There is always 1-2 control groups of zealots somewhere bunched up and stuck behind goons or on a ledge...
Would be nice if tastosis chilled a bit with the hype. More specifically phrases like "He's so good" even when what took place was nothing close to that (imo).
I agree but a lot of casters across all games do that. Also phrases like "the best...I've ever seen". So overused it completely kills the meaning of the sentence.
//Edit: I have literally no idea how the Ro8 matches will go aside from Flash vs Action. All the other ones are really 50:50 in my mind atm.
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i think reavers with no storm support are pretty bad against hydras in general, you either have to target fire which isn't a sure thing, or the scarabs might just hit 1-2 hydras... even still if you have 2 reavers and don't target fire they usually hit the same target, best not to keep them clumped for that reason i guess... now if you have storm to protect hydra dives then that's a different story, and in that case reavers are good initiation and damage over time
i think reavers are good to get for the crackling timing in the mid-late game to protect your dragoons better
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Flash 3-1 Action
Larva 3-2 ZerO
Stork 3-0 Light
Bisu 3-1 Soma
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TLADT24920 Posts
On March 25 2020 07:01 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 06:16 BigFan wrote:
Some nice games, but my god can Bisu's engagements be just as bad as I remember lol. In PvT yes. There is always 1-2 control groups of zealots somewhere bunched up and stuck behind goons or on a ledge...
Exactly. Like, how hard is it with your 300 apm to just do an extra several clicks to space out then go from there? Lots of time, his goons are in the front and his zealots are dancing in the back. I applaud him trying to drop zealots on tank clusters and such, but if you don't have that frontal+drop timed well, the drop units will get cleaned with most of your army dancing at the front. It's somewhat what happened in game 1 vs Sharp and happened on MP in game 2. In game 3, it was a bit less of an issue since he split his army (or did it split due to AI?) and as a result, he crushed Sharp one-sidedly. He could've crushed him in both games 1 and 2 had he just engaged better. Then maybe he could've given us a longer hitchhiker game and slept before 10! rofl.
On March 25 2020 07:01 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +Would be nice if tastosis chilled a bit with the hype. More specifically phrases like "He's so good" even when what took place was nothing close to that (imo). I agree but a lot of casters across all games do that. Also phrases like "the best...I've ever seen". So overused it completely kills the meaning of the sentence. //Edit: I have literally no idea how the Ro8 matches will go aside from Flash vs Action. All the other ones are really 50:50 in my mind atm.
ya, I realize that. This was more of a "I know it'll keep happening, but if they could go easy on X, it would be great". Afaik, they don't read TL so it'll fall on deaf ears ~
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Bisutopia19334 Posts
On March 25 2020 08:41 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 07:01 Miragee wrote:On March 25 2020 06:16 BigFan wrote:
Some nice games, but my god can Bisu's engagements be just as bad as I remember lol. In PvT yes. There is always 1-2 control groups of zealots somewhere bunched up and stuck behind goons or on a ledge... Exactly. Like, how hard is it with your 300 apm to just do an extra several clicks to space out then go from there? Lots of time, his goons are in the front and his zealots are dancing in the back. I applaud him trying to drop zealots on tank clusters and such, but if you don't have that frontal+drop timed well, the drop units will get cleaned with most of your army dancing at the front. It's somewhat what happened in game 1 vs Sharp and happened on MP in game 2. In game 3, it was a bit less of an issue since he split his army (or did it split due to AI?) and as a result, he crushed Sharp one-sidedly. He could've crushed him in both games 1 and 2 had he just engaged better. Then maybe he could've given us a longer hitchhiker game and slept before 10! rofl. Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 07:01 Miragee wrote:Would be nice if tastosis chilled a bit with the hype. More specifically phrases like "He's so good" even when what took place was nothing close to that (imo). I agree but a lot of casters across all games do that. Also phrases like "the best...I've ever seen". So overused it completely kills the meaning of the sentence. //Edit: I have literally no idea how the Ro8 matches will go aside from Flash vs Action. All the other ones are really 50:50 in my mind atm. ya, I realize that. This was more of a "I know it'll keep happening, but if they could go easy on X, it would be great". Afaik, they don't read TL so it'll fall on deaf ears ~
I found nothing wrong with Group D's cast. If anything, there wasn't enough fawning or hyping Bisu.
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People who thinks bisu will win soma in a bo5 are completely thunberg
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Flash 3-0 Action
Larva 3-1 ZerO
Stork 3-0 Light
Soma 3-2 Bisu
Flash 3-2 Larva
Soma 3-1 Stork
Soma 3-2 Flash
Queen your way through Soma!!!
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On March 25 2020 06:16 BigFan wrote:
Then we got that game vs Best on hitchhiker. Strat was nice enough and at one point, he actually had the zealot+shieldbattery advantage but instead he completely floundered and Best won the game. I'm not sure how anyone can see that and not facepalm lol.
Was it actually a legit strat? Building the two gates right in Best's expo with a high chance of being scouted, and the shield bat coming later than Best? Whilst his initial micro scored some early advantages, does the strat only work for a player with superior micro than the opponent?
Quite ballsy of Bisu. Is his 3-gate build in G3 a semi-allin strat? If so, even more ballsy!
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TLADT24920 Posts
On March 25 2020 13:28 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 06:16 BigFan wrote:
Then we got that game vs Best on hitchhiker. Strat was nice enough and at one point, he actually had the zealot+shieldbattery advantage but instead he completely floundered and Best won the game. I'm not sure how anyone can see that and not facepalm lol. Was it actually a legit strat? Building the two gates right in Best's expo with a high chance of being scouted, and the shield bat coming later than Best? Whilst his initial micro scored some early advantages, does the strat only work for a player with superior micro than the opponent? Quite ballsy of Bisu. Is his 3-gate build in G3 a semi-allin strat? If so, even more ballsy!
I don't agree with how he placed the gates, but it's a legit strat as far as I know. Granted, he cut his eco to get the gates up so Best had better eco. I was mostly commenting when he had the 2 batteries up, up 2 zealots and he decided to run 2 around to the minerals or he pulled back or something. Maybe I missed something, but I would've at least pounced on Best's sb or tried to kill another zealot before 2 more popped for Best if I was in his position. Then he could just snowballed it slowly with micro, but Best if I recall properly outmicroed him with Best having something like 5 zealots to 1/2 of Bisu at the end. He was in a hurry to finish the series and go home to sleep lol.
As for G3, well, Best went for the same build but with his last 2 gates being a bit delayed so Bisu got the advantage. I dunno if you can call it a semi-allin since you can still expand behind it, but obviously going for less gates and an earlier exp is better. Hopefully someone more knowledgable can provide an answer 
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Part of me feels like Flash winning another ASL (which looks very likely) would be boring, but another part of me doesn't want to see Flash lose because he's brutally beaten down my distaste for him over the years and turned me into a fan. How conflicting.
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On March 25 2020 14:03 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2020 13:28 RKC wrote:On March 25 2020 06:16 BigFan wrote:
Then we got that game vs Best on hitchhiker. Strat was nice enough and at one point, he actually had the zealot+shieldbattery advantage but instead he completely floundered and Best won the game. I'm not sure how anyone can see that and not facepalm lol. Was it actually a legit strat? Building the two gates right in Best's expo with a high chance of being scouted, and the shield bat coming later than Best? Whilst his initial micro scored some early advantages, does the strat only work for a player with superior micro than the opponent? Quite ballsy of Bisu. Is his 3-gate build in G3 a semi-allin strat? If so, even more ballsy! I don't agree with how he placed the gates, but it's a legit strat as far as I know. Granted, he cut his eco to get the gates up so Best had better eco. I was mostly commenting when he had the 2 batteries up, up 2 zealots and he decided to run 2 around to the minerals or he pulled back or something. Maybe I missed something, but I would've at least pounced on Best's sb or tried to kill another zealot before 2 more popped for Best if I was in his position. Then he could just snowballed it slowly with micro, but Best if I recall properly outmicroed him with Best having something like 5 zealots to 1/2 of Bisu at the end. He was in a hurry to finish the series and go home to sleep lol. As for G3, well, Best went for the same build but with his last 2 gates being a bit delayed so Bisu got the advantage. I dunno if you can call it a semi-allin since you can still expand behind it, but obviously going for less gates and an earlier exp is better. Hopefully someone more knowledgable can provide an answer
I can't see that strat really working in a situation like that, his advantage was minimal at all stages (maybe 1 low health zealot more?), I assume Best had the better eco and could just pull some probes to help defend, while Bisu would eventually have to sacrifice the 2 gates and pylon as well if he couldn't finish the game quick.
I mean even if he had not walked his zealots down, I doubt it would've made much of a difference. Although the fight would have been a lot closer and Bisu might even have come out on top pure zealot-zealot, I don't think there was ever a realistic chance he could beat zealots reinforced with probes.
Also I don't think pouncing on the sb would've done much either, an empty shield battery doesn't provide all that much value and that would've just been a waste of his time. He needed to do critical dmg, which I think was just impossible there.
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Bisu getting nearly two weeks to prepare is great for him. I think his chances are much better this way than if he had to play Soma in five days.
Stork vs. Light is going to be really interesting.
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do zealot bombs work against flash caliber? seems like he's always target firing on dragoons with his tanks and the vultures clean up the zealots
another trick that might be worth using is just landing the shuttled zealots in front of your army as it approaches to soak up the first few tank volleys without splashing onto your army, thus covering critical space to start attacking together
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Sad Best didn't make it out  But happy Bisu did. Was hoping for both of them thorugh to the ro8.. ah well.
ZerO has an interesting approach with the delayed spire and faster overlord speed. He really is
a top zerg these days.Crushing it. I see many favour Larva in the upcoming zvz.. but even though im a larvafanboy I think
Zero will take that series 3-2.
The rest of ro8 I think will play out like this:
Flash 3-1 Action
Stork 3-2 Light
Soma 3-2 Bisu (My hart wants Bisu to win.. but he looks a bit shaky these days.. he will come back stronger)
Dream final: Flash vs either Bisu/Stork
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After bisu held the zerglings i thought he was was ahead. Was he? I counted 20 probes to 15 drones after the engagement, he had his nexus down before the forge, their gas were nearly done at the same time...how much of an advantage was it at that point? (and was losing the shuttle how he lost it or his tech choices?)
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Man you guys all give Stork a lot of credit with these predictions. He was lucky he had 2 relatively easy groups and made it this far, there is really no way he will beat Light, although I wouldn't mind seeing him win 
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Canada5565 Posts
On March 25 2020 12:27 weiliem wrote:
Flash 3-0 Action
Larva 3-1 ZerO
Stork 3-0 Light
Soma 3-2 Bisu
Flash 3-2 Larva
Soma 3-1 Stork
Soma 3-2 Flash
Queen your way through Soma!!! I'll be cheering for Bisu, but this would be a very exciting result!
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