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[ASL7] Ro16 Group B
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This is the first game for me where I was convinced. He plays so confidently! (And holy shit at his death state at the end. The cutest deathe stare ever! Last looked shellshocked.) I could see him beating Snow at this level of play. | ||
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On February 12 2019 19:47 jjmmtt wrote: Soon no Terrans in ASL and then everyone will be happy right? Sharp for Refugee Terran. | ||
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On February 12 2019 19:47 jjmmtt wrote: Soon no Terrans in ASL and then everyone will be happy right? terran still too strong whenever protoss/zerg loses it's the OP map or 1-1-1. whenever terran loses it's because they suck and terran is still overpowered. i just don't think terran is that good in the amateur scene without a peaking flash (or maybe last, but he was dominant for a relatively short period) zvt has some great innovative builds but it's such a stale match up for late game/standard play | ||
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On February 12 2019 19:47 jjmmtt wrote: Soon no Terrans in ASL and then everyone will be happy right? I think Sharp can still do some damage. But yer now Flash inst here it does look a little scary for Terran now. | ||
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edit: god, make that poll, i want to vote "must watch" | ||
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Holy shit was an amazing win nice work. | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:01 Highgamer wrote: Shouldn't people try to refrain from spoiling in this thread? is there a new rule i'm missing? can't spoil in a live report? | ||
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Games have been fun so far. Really happy for Snow to pull that off. I've seen Reaver/Shuttle used quite well PvZ on whiteout recently. Fun to watch. | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:01 Highgamer wrote: Shouldn't people try to refrain from spoiling in this thread? Its a LR thread... | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:01 Highgamer wrote: Shouldn't people try to refrain from spoiling in this thread? No, this is the live report thread where we discuss the games. If you don't want spoilers, go to the preview thread. | ||
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gentle reminder one of last or sk is crashing out of the ro16 soon! | ||
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But seriously Calm came to fucking play this season. | ||
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I still remember this game him vs Flash. GO CALM! | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:31 Ziggy wrote: Calm ffs this was meant to be this round's group of death lol, true. He's such a baller | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:31 Ziggy wrote: Calm ffs this was meant to be this round's group of death Not today. | ||
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the shake up begins. | ||
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I wonder who could've predicted that | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:37 jjmmtt wrote: And now Snow kills Last on the best map ever made. Really interesting ASL. Oh please, there have been much worse maps in the history of starcraft. There will always be favored maps towards a race. | ||
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Guess he was not prepared against this kind of tactic | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:39 Ikirouta wrote: Oh please, there have been much worse maps in the history of starcraft. There will always be favored maps towards a race. Yeah, and the Terran favoured maps get nerfed apparently, that's how it works. And it's actually pretty hard to have a worse map than Block Chain. Any map worse than Block Chain would have to have a 0% win rate for a race. There has been 1 Terran win on the map, so the win rate is around 7%. | ||
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Wonk
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What the hell was that game? The two underdogs put on amazing plays and control, while the two favourites put out cheese and bizarro decision making, this is truly some backwards universe | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:37 Rodya wrote: That TL Power ranking looking really silly + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Rhw2MvZ.jpg) | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:39 Jackal03 wrote: The punish was real, i wonder why he didn't cancel the hatch even after scouting... Guess he was not prepared against this kind of tactic He didn't even need to cancel, he didn't even attempt to make a hatch until AFTER he scouted barracks. Seriously, he scouted, pulled 3 drones, THEN decided to make hatch and delay his pool as long as possible. | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:42 razorsuKe wrote: He didn't even need to cancel, he didn't even attempt to make a hatch until AFTER he scouted barracks. Seriously, he scouted, pulled 3 drones, THEN decided to make hatch and delay his pool as long as possible. every BW book says: if you scout cheese - throw down pool asap, defend with as little damage taken as possible and you have the lead. Will probably agree with a poster above saying SK was tilted after the game vs Snow ... His decision didn't make any sense | ||
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THAT CONTORL WTF | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:45 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: every BW book says: if you scout cheese - throw down pool asap, defend with as little damage taken as possible and you have the lead. Will probably agree with a poster above saying SK was tilted after the game vs Snow ... His decision didn't make any sense what I mean is, there was nothing to cancel after he scouted barracks because he didn't even place his hatch yet. | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:55 Ikirouta wrote: goons dont fit through with 1 gas dead right? nope | ||
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On February 12 2019 21:04 KamMoye wrote: Surprised snow didn'texpect possible cheese huh... you'd be crazy not to 12 nex on that map | ||
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 At least Calm made it through I guess.... | ||
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On February 12 2019 21:02 Jackal03 wrote: last cheesed his way of the group, im kinda sad for this What choice he has? These days Last loses random ladder games. Did you see his apm? Or shaky micro? His only chance was to cheese. | ||
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The morale was known anyways: over-scout, especially in crucial games where you are the favorite. | ||
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On February 12 2019 21:25 r33k wrote: Man Last doesn't have it anymore, he cheesed his way into the Ro8 but he's gonna get embarassed out in his next match. Seems like all he ever was was a big fish in a small pond. Blame his weak opponents for getting rekt like this | ||
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Quite disappointing throw by SK. None of champions excluding FlaSh, and maybe Rain are able to keep their consistency. I'm super excited seeing Calm's performance and really hope he won't turn into Clam on ro8 and start doing stupid shenanigans. | ||
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ASL S7 Ro16 Group B --> Snow 1-2 (#3) / Soulkey 0-2 (#4) ... lol, typical ASL [(A)nother (S)oulkey (L)oss] | ||
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On February 12 2019 22:29 oEkY wrote: ASL S6 Ro16 Group B --> Snow 1-2 (#3) / Soulkey 0-2 (#4) ASL S7 Ro16 Group B --> Snow 1-2 (#3) / Soulkey 0-2 (#4) ... lol, typical ASL [(A)nother (S)oulkey (L)oss] clever. So, Effort is going to take this one home i guess? | ||
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On February 12 2019 20:40 jjmmtt wrote: Yeah, and the Terran favoured maps get nerfed apparently, that's how it works. And it's actually pretty hard to have a worse map than Block Chain. Any map worse than Block Chain would have to have a 0% win rate for a race. There has been 1 Terran win on the map, so the win rate is around 7%. On http://sponbbang.com/race/ you can see spon matches. with TvP being 111W 142L, putting it at 43,9% win rate. Your argument is invalid sir. | ||
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Those SCV movements while building the barracks were pretty lucky... but massive brainfart by SK | ||
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On February 12 2019 23:47 Alpha-NP- wrote: So Efforts competition is removed by Soulkey getting eliminated. I was worried about a ZvZ loss. Effort is now more favored to win ASL7. You think calm or larva cannot beat him as much as SK can beat him? ZvZ has always been half coin flip half skill | ||
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On February 13 2019 00:27 BisuDagger wrote: First 3 games of the night amazing. Then last sucked the fun out of it lol. Still a great night and a great job by the casters too! Yes. I really hope he gets knocked out in the Round of 8. There was a very lukewarm applause for him in the studio today. People were actually cheering at Snow when he got up and walked out during Last's winner's interview. It makes me sad that Snow got knocked out after that game vs SoulKey. That takes something away from the legend of the game. But wow, that crowd was excited about Calm! | ||
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Snow's reaver was a hero and that game was a clinic. Who thought Last would cheese twice in a row...not snow apparently. The snow/Sk, Last/SK matches could have very easily gone differently if a unit here or there if a unit gets picked off. Even the Last/Snow match was exciting for the first half (probe drill almost got snow back into it) | ||
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On February 13 2019 01:16 Brainojack wrote: A nice bunch of non standard games. Snow's reaver was a hero and that game was a clinic. Who thought Last would cheese twice in a row...not snow apparently. The snow/Sk, Last/SK matches could have very easily gone differently if a unit here or there if a unit gets picked off. Even the Last/Snow match was exciting for the first half (probe drill almost got snow back into it) I was yelling at the screen for snow to build a shield battery. I know we have all the knowledge in the world as viewers, but man if he just had one up towards the back much early it would have done wonders. Instead his zealots got so low before the bio push. | ||
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Ideas
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Super impressed with Calm, hopefully he keeps bringing his A game. But you can tell his late-game management in zvt is just awful still, his macro and multi-tasking really slipped and almost let Last get back in the game near the end. His win over Snow was super clean though. | ||
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On February 13 2019 04:35 Ideas wrote: Did SK just actually forget to make a pool, or did he purposefully delay it? Game 4 was the only game tonight where 1 player seemed to make a huge mistake. Damn SK was IMO favored to win the whole tournament too. Game 5 was really fun to watch, good on Last for keeping the pressure on after his first push up the ramp failed. Super impressed with Calm, hopefully he keeps bringing his A game. But you can tell his late-game management in zvt is just awful still, his macro and multi-tasking really slipped and almost let Last get back in the game near the end. His win over Snow was super clean though. He took a gamble thinking he could expand before pool anyway, imo totally unnecessary since 7 rax puts the terran way behind automatically, just 12 pool into anything and gg | ||
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Why go hatch first instead of 12 pool? What, he thought last was just gonna head home with all those SCVs? Baffled. And why, WHY?! Even go nexus first on a map that Terrans can’t win a macro game on anyways? Just go gate into 6 dragoon into 3base rever/carriers? What’s Last gonna do? 2base push against the best rever user in history? Good luck with that. But then, after he scouted the rush, held of the building of the bunker on the high ground, he just... blew it. Like after that there was literally no way for Last to come back from that EXEPT for doubling down on cheese! The only thing at that point you needed to assure victory is to BUILD A FREAKING SHEILD BATTERY OR FORGE! Game over from there. You could see how pissed both Soulkey and Snow were, and in the winners interview you could tell Last just wanted to shrink away. He felt the heat of anger from the crowd and basically said “Sorry, I’ll play better next time”. That being said, it’s not Lasts fault he won; That’s on both Soulkey and Snow | ||
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On February 13 2019 07:32 hiro protagonist wrote: But then, after he scouted the rush, held of the building of the bunker on the high ground, he just... blew it. Like after that there was literally no way for Last to come back from that EXEPT for doubling down on cheese! The only thing at that point you needed to assure victory is to BUILD A FREAKING SHEILD BATTERY OR FORGE! Game over from there. I was actually speechless when I saw Snow send his probes to the natural as a first reaction, like wtf? Honestly terrible response, delayed his eco massively. Tbh just a normal 2 gate range goon build should have stopped the m&m, high ground is too much and it's not like they can attack the expansion. | ||
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On February 13 2019 07:37 RJGooner wrote: Officially a Last anti-fan now. Hope he gets crushed in the Ro.8. Two stupid cheesy games that knock out players on the caliber of Soulkey and Snow. What a shame. You should not disrespect Last! He was named AlphaGo for a good reason and has won very little considering the level of play he reached. Recently his wrists collapsed so he is probably forced to go for cheese/decisive early pushes; I don't think he's especially happy to do so but he was effective today. I feel sorry for Snow as he deserved to go through after such a good game against Soulkey. | ||
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Nematocyst
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On February 13 2019 07:37 RJGooner wrote: Officially a Last anti-fan now. Hope he gets crushed in the Ro.8. Two stupid cheesy games that knock out players on the caliber of Soulkey and Snow. What a shame. It was Snow who cheesed Last on gladiator Ro16 game 5 ASL season 5. Can't think of an instance of Soulkey cheesing Last. Maybe he should. In any event, Last is one of the best macro terrans there is, and somehow it's the end of the world that he's cheesing more? Last has been getting good results even when it's scouted. In MPL season 2, Flash scouted his center rax and Last prevailed rather quickly. Jaedong had to turn off his image b/c he was crying from happiness. But Last can macro it up if needed. I kinda miss the pre 1-1-1 vs zerg with the mech switch. But whatever, I'm not hating him for changing to something that seems to work. | ||
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On February 13 2019 07:37 RJGooner wrote: Officially a Last anti-fan now. Hope he gets crushed in the Ro.8. Two stupid cheesy games that knock out players on the caliber of Soulkey and Snow. What a shame. No... shameful response from Soulkey, he had the perfect scout and reacted horribly. 12 pool was a free win. I'm not a PvT expert so I won't judge Snow's reaction too much but it seems a bit shaky aswell. | ||
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On February 13 2019 12:03 JackyVSO wrote: For me, it's not that I'm mad at Last as such. I understand his dispositions, and of course it's okay to cheese. It's just not what I want to see in ASL. First of all because I like long games and second of all because we get deprived of watching the better players play. I'd so much rather have had SoulKey or Snow advance in the tournament than this version of Last. I second this. Last seems to have lost so much of his mechanical proves in short time. It is really painfull to watch how his struggle to win. It gives impression that he should just quit and take care his health before military. | ||
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On February 13 2019 07:37 RJGooner wrote: Officially a Last anti-fan now. Hope he gets crushed in the Ro.8. Two stupid cheesy games that knock out players on the caliber of Soulkey and Snow. What a shame. Your opinion seem to focus on the wrong things. What is wrong when the games are short? In the end it is like this in every game, long or short - the played that makes less mistakes wins. To decide to play a rather aggressive build is a risk in and of itself, it's an all-in move, you know. Sometimes the risk is rewarded, sometimes it is not. Who forced Soulkey to make the hatchery first? Was it Last? I do not think so. He played in a bizarre way and lost, it totally makes sense. Who forced Snow to go Nexus first? I know the map begs for it but then again, it's a desperate map for Terran so Terran decides to play low eco and aggressively and does not want to deal with late game full blown protoss army commanded by the current best PvT player on a P>>T map. I do not think this decision is weird from Last, not at all. On February 13 2019 12:03 JackyVSO wrote: we get deprived of watching the better players play. I'd so much rather have had SoulKey or Snow advance in the tournament than this version of Last. Would you care to explain to me how, if they were the better players of the day, they failed to win and to qualify to Ro8? Is not that which matters in a tournament - who is the better player on the day and not who won x% of games in the past vs who? Reality is what it is - Last played better than both SK and Snow this day and he took it. When SK destroyed him in KSL was it, then SK played better. But today Last prevailed thus he was the better played of the day. | ||
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I'm really curios what Effort will do, if him and Last will finally meet again. | ||
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LaStScan
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Soulkey and ZerO said some comments about hatchery first. They were saying if Zerg goes pool first and Terran goes 8 rax into 1-1-1, then it's more a terran win, but I disagree with this. I play zerg as well, quite high MMR and play all races in 2v2 games. The difference of 12 pool and 12 hatchery is only 2 larvae. If Terran plays standard 1-1-1, then 12 pool has no benefit to make any table turn, but 8 rax small marine cheese? Definitely worth to not have extra 2 larvae and defend the cheese without any economic loss(Drone drill defense). + Show Spoiler + Btw, a lot of people know in the Korean SC community that ZerO is a big whiner over there. | ||
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On February 13 2019 20:49 M2 wrote: I blame the format of the tournament, at that phase games being Bo1 is a fucking shame. If you want to cheese your way out than do it in Bo3, full me once shame on you, full me twice, shame on me. If not the whole group at least the two matches that decide who will qualify, the 3rd and the 5th games should be Bo3 imo. And its not only the cheeses, there are maps that can be quite unfair in one deciding game I disagree with you. There is and has been plenty of tournaments with with bo3 /bo5 /bo7 ... It is good to have one that until Ro8 is just bo1. | ||
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On February 13 2019 11:53 Alpha-NP- wrote: And yes I figure Effort has a better chance to win against Larva and Calm than Soulkey before he got eliminated I'm not so sure about that. If Calm is actually back, his ZvZ is fearsome. It's been his best matchup, historically. | ||
BigFan
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Furthermore, it's the fault of SK and Snow for how they played. SK went hatch first when he scouted the proxy rax, his fault 100%. Last played it well with his positioning to come out on top. As for Snow, nexus first even on Chain Block is still risky and you just know that Last is not at his prime anymore with his wrists so why would you even do it? Why not go a bit safe and play for the longer game being one of the best PvT players? Well played by Last and huge congrats to Calm beating both Last and Snow. | ||
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On February 13 2019 20:38 LaStScan wrote: Soulkey and ZerO said some comments about hatchery first. They were saying if Zerg goes pool first and Terran goes 8 rax into 1-1-1, then it's more a terran win, but I disagree with this. I play zerg as well, quite high MMR and play all races in 2v2 games. You disagree with the opinion of two of the top5 zergs in the world? I think I’ll agree with Soulkey/ZerO this time. | ||
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Dazed.
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On February 14 2019 02:45 superjoppe wrote: You can refuse to go pool first when you scout a center 8 rax if you want, because a progamer insisted on that manner of suicide. Everyone else will continue to make rational decisions and win games You disagree with the opinion of two of the top5 zergs in the world? I think I’ll agree with Soulkey/ZerO this time.  | ||
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BisuDagger
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On February 14 2019 02:45 superjoppe wrote: You disagree with the opinion of two of the top5 zergs in the world? I think I’ll agree with Soulkey/ZerO this time. Light is not a top 5 terran, but has arguably the best game understanding of any Terran player out there. By your standards would he not be allowed to have an opinion that should be taken seriously. Scan's understanding of StarCraft is by far one of the best among active TL users. Even if his opinion differs from a top 3 Zerg, it shouldn't be stepped on because you feel like it. Instead try to understand and engage in a discussion with him. | ||
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On February 14 2019 02:44 BigFan wrote: Furthermore, it's the fault of SK and Snow for how they played. SK went hatch first when he scouted the proxy rax, his fault 100%. I watched that moment few more times. IMO, SK biggest fuck up was completely ignoring empty bunker. He had like 30 seconds or so to get rid of it while it was empty, but he chose to go outside with lots of drones and thus let marines in. This was the point of no return, even bigger than the late pool. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
That said groups of death are fun on the whole. Lot of tension. Great night overall. The pity though is no one in group A really excited me Anyway we have Best to carry the protoss flag and we're kinda hurting for Terrans. | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On February 14 2019 02:45 superjoppe wrote: You disagree with the opinion of two of the top5 zergs in the world? I think I’ll agree with Soulkey/ZerO this time. If he's so smart why is he out of the ASL? | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4115 Posts
On February 14 2019 14:54 Sabu113 wrote: Little salty I am not seeing more snow this tournament. and we're kinda hurting for Terrans. Well, the most likely outcome is to have 3 zergs, 3 protoss and 2 terrans for the round of 8 which is as even as possible race distribution | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
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Miragee
8498 Posts
On February 14 2019 02:50 Dazed. wrote: You can refuse to go pool first when you scout a center 8 rax if you want, because a progamer insisted on that manner of suicide. Everyone else will continue to make rational decisions and win games Soulkey just forgot to build the pool this time though, didn't he? Or he just went insanely greedy by going 13 Hatch (really?) and then 13 pool... | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1010 Posts
On February 14 2019 22:26 Dante08 wrote: Just watched the games and man they were awesome. Also I remember Calm was a great Zerg back in the day so compared to Tastosis I'm not really surprised he's doing well. Yeah, Tastosis kind of bashed on Calm, even though he's won an MSL and placed highly in several other MSL/OSLs. Which is more than any of the other players in the group can say. Super great games though, definitely a Snow fan now because of his constant and insane Reaver micro. Also happy for Calm for all the cheering he's getting in the studio! | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On February 15 2019 07:13 Miragee wrote: Soulkey just forgot to build the pool this time though, didn't he? Or he just went insanely greedy by going 13 Hatch (really?) and then 13 pool... Soulkey cleary intended hatch before pool after scouting the proxy rax, I'm sure thinking he had everything covered. Looking at the footage and his facial expressions, he sees something and winces, knowing he's doomed. What was it? I'm not 100% sure, but I think he expected the bunker to not be there. Either he expected to have killed the SCV before it finished, or he expected to have killed the bunker already. Someone else pointed out there was a large window to kill it. Perhaps Soulkey forgot, or even thought he gave the orders but they failed due to misclick or something. | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway632 Posts
On February 15 2019 21:31 Freezard wrote: Yeah, Tastosis kind of bashed on Calm, even though he's won an MSL and placed highly in several other MSL/OSLs. Which is more than any of the other players in the group can say. Super great games though, definitely a Snow fan now because of his constant and insane Reaver micro. Also happy for Calm for all the cheering he's getting in the studio! Past deeds doesn't necessarily equal current skill. Unless my memory fails, the last time Calm played in an offline tournament (can't remember if it was KSL or ASL), he failed horribly. He had some nifty ideas, but they fell completely apart. I dare say that having lower expecations for him than f.ex. Last and Soulkey, who're both very current winners of offline tournaments, is perfectly reasonable. Or even Snow, who's also shown very good recent results. It's not that they don't believe in his potential or anything like that, but more acknoledged that based on recent results, it seemed very unlikely that he'd advance. But Tasteless did say; "Is Calm back?" when the mutas flew over Snow's base. Implying that they acknowledged his "legacy" and that it wasn't an unthinkable scenario that he'd have good results. Eventually. I don't quite get the stuff you guys are saying. They were cheering for NaDa, but there was never any doubt that he was the underdog. Despite his past. That's not bashing. That's just what the situation is. | ||
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Miragee
8498 Posts
On February 15 2019 23:49 Nematocyst wrote: Soulkey cleary intended hatch before pool after scouting the proxy rax, I'm sure thinking he had everything covered. Looking at the footage and his facial expressions, he sees something and winces, knowing he's doomed. What was it? I'm not 100% sure, but I think he expected the bunker to not be there. Either he expected to have killed the SCV before it finished, or he expected to have killed the bunker already. Someone else pointed out there was a large window to kill it. Perhaps Soulkey forgot, or even thought he gave the orders but they failed due to misclick or something. Well, yes he intended to go for hatch first but why would you build a drone afterwards, especially if you built a 13 hatch, instead of getting the pool down immediately? That was my point. I agree that he expected to kill the SCV and then the marines but accomplished neither. | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On February 16 2019 01:16 Incomplete..ReV wrote: Past deeds doesn't necessarily equal current skill. Unless my memory fails, the last time Calm played in an offline tournament (can't remember if it was KSL or ASL), he failed horribly. He had some nifty ideas, but they fell completely apart. I dare say that having lower expecations for him than f.ex. Last and Soulkey, who're both very current winners of offline tournaments, is perfectly reasonable. Or even Snow, who's also shown very good recent results. It's not that they don't believe in his potential or anything like that, but more acknoledged that based on recent results, it seemed very unlikely that he'd advance. But Tasteless did say; "Is Calm back?" when the mutas flew over Snow's base. Implying that they acknowledged his "legacy" and that it wasn't an unthinkable scenario that he'd have good results. Eventually. I don't quite get the stuff you guys are saying. They were cheering for NaDa, but there was never any doubt that he was the underdog. Despite his past. That's not bashing. That's just what the situation is. I don't think they bashed Calm. Calm HAS been trash for some time now. It's like Jaedong a season or two ago--he'd been trash, then he started playing well, but it doesn't mean he's back; it's probably just a fluke. (Remember when everyone picked Jaedong over Last in the finals? I got shit for making Last a 55:45 favorite.) Even if Calm gets to finals, I still wouldn't completely buy this run. He's still fun to watch, though. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
You can't be mad at Last because he was just doing what he needs to win. I imagine that SK thought he had a lead from scouting the rax and got greedy thinking his micro would be good enough to defend the cheese without needing to go pool first. Can't comment on Snow's cheese defense because I don't play PvT, maybe he was confident about his 12 nex cheese defense? After all he did defend the 7 rax, it was the mnm push that killed him. On February 14 2019 02:44 BigFan wrote: This was a fantastic group all around. Calm vs Last and Snow vs Soulkey were just great. Loved Snow's reavers control. Even though I'm a Last fan, I was rooting for both Soulkey and/or Snow to beat him when he went for a proxy rax twice. I was a bit mad afterwards, however, I think Last did what it takes to win and that's how it should be. Furthermore, it's the fault of SK and Snow for how they played. SK went hatch first when he scouted the proxy rax, his fault 100%. Last played it well with his positioning to come out on top. As for Snow, nexus first even on Chain Block is still risky and you just know that Last is not at his prime anymore with his wrists so why would you even do it? Why not go a bit safe and play for the longer game being one of the best PvT players? Well played by Last and huge congrats to Calm beating both Last and Snow. Of course you are a Last fan, you're both dirty cheesers | ||
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
The threat of cheese is an advantage that is silly to ignore. I play high level duplicate-bridge. One addage that I think applies here is something like: If your opponents always go down in doubled partscore contracts, then you aren't doubling enough. Similarly, here: If you never lose cheese games, you aren't cheesing enough. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Aminus
Bulgaria35 Posts
On the other side Last won in the most cheap fashion, however Snow shouldve send probe thru his island for scout as soon as the rush was over and just canon ramp easy, it was very naive of him to just assume game will play standart after. | ||
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
On February 13 2019 03:37 iFU.pauline wrote: I swear Soulkey deserved it, wtf this late pool was for The moment I saw him start the hatch instead of a pool, I started cheering for last instead of soulkey. | ||
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InSpiReZerG
United States159 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
On February 21 2019 23:31 InSpiReZerG wrote: Oh WOW, I have been asking everyone i know about calm for YEARS and here the man is KILLING IT. Okay now I'm so excited about ASL. The best players have won MSLs. :D | ||
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