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NoS-Craig
Australia3089 Posts
Game 3 was won by clutch irradiates and a sick, sick pimpest play mine-snipe beneath the ramp. JD's build was fairly good IMO, I think the idea was to keep the pressure up with hydra/ling for as long as possible while maintaining the economy to switch to mutas. Last was just prepared and hung on by a pretty thin thread on several occasions. Glad someone else spotted this. That mine was about to take 1-2 tanks and a pack of marines with it. Sick as fuck play. | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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flyingrat
43 Posts
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1706 Posts
On September 08 2018 22:08 Jumperer wrote: However, just because you reach perfection doesn't mean you should auto-win almost every game by simply defending from cheese/timing attacks and then get to the late game. You literally can't beat S-tier terran at the top of his game without figuring out something in the meta game or come up with a one time cheese that will never work again. Funny I thought in TvZ, its Z who is trying its damndest to get to late game for dark swarm | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On September 08 2018 22:08 Jumperer wrote: Terran vs Zerg at the highest level has been solved and it favor Terran. Zerg can't really deal with terran's multiple tech options and switches. Irradiates is broken. Zerg has to significantly outplay terran to win. To the guy who said Terran isnt OP because there's no up and coming player in the past. Sorry to break it to you but you really don't understand this game. S tier terran players have dominated starcraft since boxer because Terran is the best race at S tier level. T>Z=>P. When played near perfection, Terran win. Of course there are times when we have a dominant protoss or a dominant zerg at the highest level, but that's mostly because they were revolutionary or their playstyle happens to beat the metagame at the time. Eventually they get downloaded and then rekt by a terran. Look at all the bonjwa, It's essentially all terran players. At A tier level and below, terran is not the best. In fact, I'll take an A level protoss over an A level terran player. The lower you go the weaker terran become because it's a race that require perfections. However, just because you reach perfection doesn't mean you should auto-win almost every game by simply defending from cheese/timing attacks and then get to the late game. You literally can't beat S-tier terran at the top of his game without figuring out something in the meta game or come up with a one time cheese that will never work again. When I watched bisu play at his peak I didn't have this feeling that he's going to win. Guy was walking on a tightrope trying to cut corners against zerg using insane probe control to block his wall against 6 lings with one cannon. When I watched oov, nada, flash play at their peak I knew that they would win once they survive the timing attack/cheese. Savior was dominating by doing magical psychological mindgame shits. The terran bonjwa aside from boxer was mainly abusing terran's OPness. If you really "understood the game" you would have guessed that a terran player would win the KSL. Have you seen the map pool? I called that a terran would win rather easily (surprised it wasn't a TvT finals tbh). I also called that terrans would be annihilated during the ASL5 (because of the maps) and it so obviously happened. Also, nevermind the fact that last was simply better and that jaedong refused to use defilers for some reason. Historically, maps have favored terran players for some reason, you can look it up if you want. There are tons of anti-terran maps but they end up being never used because they are "unbalanced". My question for you: Where were you during the ASL5 to complain about terran? | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
I hope KSL drops the winner picks map format for next season. I don't think it is healthy. | ||
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kaspa84
Brazil163 Posts
On September 08 2018 18:02 ShloobeR wrote: I feel like there's no reason to muta clump if there are no marines and few turrets Thought the same. | ||
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kaspa84
Brazil163 Posts
On September 08 2018 20:02 De4ngus wrote: It honestly feels like the matchups are really polarized right now. 4-0 vs Rain, the current best protoss, into 0-4 against Last? I guess the KSL format doesn't help either, but we've been seeing basically every terran besides Flash getting rolled over by protoss as well for some time now. If Soulkey and Jaedong couldn't beat Last, I'm scared of what Flash is going to do to the poor zergs. This. User was warned for this post. | ||
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Miragee
8413 Posts
Can't believe Bisudagger and BigFan were right. I hate you guys. The KSL format is the main offender here with the map pool. As the winner of the first game you can keep picking good maps for you/your map pool. People expected a lot of one-sided affairs, which turned out the be true. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
The series had insane momentum shift from the very first game when Jaedong was about to get momentum he suicided lurkers which caused him to not only lose that game but map choice as well to the most Terran favored map in the pool, 0-2 is a tough hole to start digging out of from what felt like a single mistake in game 1 | ||
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RKC
2847 Posts
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Terrorbladder
2704 Posts
and wtf the result :s | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria408 Posts
The finals, even though the score is like it is, seem to me to be misleading. Two of the victories, games 1 and 3, were so close that my mind was racing "What's going to happen here? Who will win? Come on!" I didn't have an inclination to neither player, I just had slight hopes for entertaining games and the players delivered. Congratulations to the winner, well deserved after all the effort and sacrifices that have been made. There has to be a loser in any competition but he fell with no shame. Even though we all know this is not the pinnacle of JD's abilities, it was a worthy try. Not that KSL folk will read this but I have to express my gratitude to their labor. It is indeed highly appreciated. Thank you and I can hardly wait for the next season! | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway602 Posts
And shoutout to Artosis and Tasteless - loved their energy this cast! Really kept it pumped up, lovely commenting and...just awesome! Would of course be more fun if JD was able to win at least one game and if there was one game that was kinda "standard", but fantstic display of skill and entertainment nonetheless! :D | ||
FlaShFTW
United States9957 Posts
Delial idk wtf you’re spewing. If Terran was so strong then why are there only two good Terrans right now in FlaSh and Last? Why can’t we ever credit the player who practiced so hard, tried new builds and strategies to win this finals? | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25649 Posts
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